wrex himself points out in ME1 that the genophage isn't what's killing the krogan, it's the fact that most krogan would prefer to go out into space and spend their lives as mercenaries than stay on Tuchanka and work on building up their race
Well yeah, but that's because most of them are suicidally depressed death seekers.
were they suicidally depressed death-seekers back when millions of krogan died every day to thresher maw/klixen/varren attacks?
Probably not to the same extent because adults dying has a different effect on people than newborns dying,
but whatever, it all depends on your ethics regarding the matter and me getting all heated over it is somewhat silly because ultimately it's about fictional space dino people in a videogame.
i have a feeling that plenty of children were being slaughtered too
I think with Wrex and Eve there is a high chance that a cured krogan wouldn't repeat the mistakes of the rebellions
however
unless they manage to tightly regulate breeding or something, they're going to end up overpopulating any planet they colonize, and pretty much the only possible results of that are keeping their numbers down with constant civil war or ultimately expanding to other planets and restarting the war
Neither of those options are better than the genophage
the ideal solution is for Wrex and Eve to unite an uncured Tuchanka and find ways to rebuild the civilization with the genophage. Again, the primary problem the krogan have is that they're not interested in putting in the work necessary to rebuild, not that they don't have a high enough birth rate to allow them to.
Well I mean Takyris flat out said Wrex and Eve usher in a cultural renaissance and redeem the krogran race. As for an uncured Tuchanka, the psychological impact of the genophage is too devastating for even Wrex and Eve to counteract in my opinion.
I don't think it's fair to bring in things a writer said off-the-cuff that didn't actually make it into the game in any form
and once wrex's generation dies off, there won't be any krogan left who remember a time without the genophage. and really the krogan that are embittered about it are gripping onto a tiny sliver of their history that never would have been sustainable. They're not designed to have 0 checks against their incredible reproductive rate. Their numbers have to be kept down one way or another, either through the genophage or something like it, outside sources killing off vast numbers of krogan, or draconian reproductive laws. of the three I'd argue the genophage is the best.
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It's pretty much a given that the Krogan will go extinct as long as the genophage is around
Calling it anything but genocide is beating around the bush. It's using more than using biology against them- the effects of the genophage wears down Krogan culture. Many feel they don't have a reason to live anymore, and thus their numbers diminish because they're not willing to try.
It doesn't excuse what happened in the past. The Salarians and Krogan are responsible for the clusterfuck that made the genophage a desirable (but morally fucked) option.
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It's pretty much a given that the Krogan will go extinct as long as the genophage is around
no it isn't! mordin's entire thing with the genophage modification project was because the krogan's birth rate was creeping up past genophage levels
you know
the ones painstakingly calculated to ensure the krogan population remained healthy and sustainable
It's pretty much a given that the Krogan will go extinct as long as the genophage is around
Calling it anything but genocide is beating around the bush. It's using more than using biology against them- the effects of the genophage wears down Krogan culture. Many feel they don't have a reason to live anymore, and thus their numbers diminish because they're not willing to try.
It doesn't excuse what happened in the past. The Salarians and Krogan are responsible for the clusterfuck that made the genophage a desirable (but morally fucked) option.
krogan psychology is just as likely to wipe out a cured krogan race as it is to wipe out an afflicted krogan race
the krogan have managed to work through the genophage for a good while now, so so far I'd say it's working better than the alternative, which went to shit almost instantly. In 1 and 2 Wrex thoroughly believes that they can rebuild the krogan even without a cure. He didn't care about getting it until he learned that it already exists
well I guess he has a brief moment where he really wants the cure saren's developed but even so
It's pretty much a given that the Krogan will go extinct as long as the genophage is around
no it isn't! mordin's entire thing with the genophage modification project was because the krogan's birth rate was creeping up past genophage levels
you know
the ones painstakingly calculated to ensure the krogan population remained healthy and sustainable
yeah but that's because the krogan's natural defenses were starting to fight off the effects of the genophage, not because they were reproducing enough to counteract its effects.
It's pretty much a given that the Krogan will go extinct as long as the genophage is around
no it isn't! mordin's entire thing with the genophage modification project was because the krogan's birth rate was creeping up past genophage levels
you know
the ones painstakingly calculated to ensure the krogan population remained healthy and sustainable
It is.
Krogan numbers aren't going up because the prospect of breeding is so low, that many are not willing to try. Combine that it interspecies war (remember, if Wreav is in charge he actually wipes the surviving women and children of Gatatog after finishing Mordin's mission).
It WILL kill their species. Slowly, but surely.
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It's pretty much a given that the Krogan will go extinct as long as the genophage is around
no it isn't! mordin's entire thing with the genophage modification project was because the krogan's birth rate was creeping up past genophage levels
you know
the ones painstakingly calculated to ensure the krogan population remained healthy and sustainable
Also the one that doesn't in the least consider the current state of Krogan society or their reaction to the genophage.
It may not be the birth rates that are killing the Krogan, but it's definitely the genophage.
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genophage:
"do we do this repugnant thing or do we let the krogan wipe out every other race in the galaxy?"
Well I mean Takyris flat out said Wrex and Eve usher in a cultural renaissance and redeem the krogran race.
above is tuchanka, this is ending
if I remember right he flat out said he thought they'd do pretty well by the krogan, but that is not a foregone conclusion within the narrative itself
also, he's wrong. wrex was on earth when the relays blew up. whatever the krogan are doing, they're doing it without wrex
No, there was no "I think" or "these are my thoughts."
It's still outside of the text and therefore not really meaningful for this discussion
if taky and the rest of the writing team wanted it to be etched into stone that the krogan would be awesome with a cure + wrex and eve, okay with a cure + wrex OR eve, and awful with a cure without wrex or eve, then they should have written it into the game. End of story.
It's pretty much a given that the Krogan will go extinct as long as the genophage is around
no it isn't! mordin's entire thing with the genophage modification project was because the krogan's birth rate was creeping up past genophage levels
you know
the ones painstakingly calculated to ensure the krogan population remained healthy and sustainable
Also the one that doesn't in the least consider the current state of Krogan society or their reaction to the genophage.
It may not be the birth rates that are killing the Krogan, but it's definitely the genophage.
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Well I mean Takyris flat out said Wrex and Eve usher in a cultural renaissance and redeem the krogran race.
above is tuchanka, this is ending
if I remember right he flat out said he thought they'd do pretty well by the krogan, but that is not a foregone conclusion within the narrative itself
also, he's wrong. wrex was on earth when the relays blew up. whatever the krogan are doing, they're doing it without wrex
No, there was no "I think" or "these are my thoughts."
It's still outside of the text and therefore not really meaningful for this discussion
if taky and the rest of the writing team wanted it to be etched into stone that the krogan would be awesome with a cure + wrex and eve, okay with a cure + wrex OR eve, and awful with a cure without wrex or eve, then they should have written it into the game. End of story.
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i have a feeling that plenty of children were being slaughtered too
http://www.audioentropy.com/
and once wrex's generation dies off, there won't be any krogan left who remember a time without the genophage. and really the krogan that are embittered about it are gripping onto a tiny sliver of their history that never would have been sustainable. They're not designed to have 0 checks against their incredible reproductive rate. Their numbers have to be kept down one way or another, either through the genophage or something like it, outside sources killing off vast numbers of krogan, or draconian reproductive laws. of the three I'd argue the genophage is the best.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
not how this works
above is tuchanka, this is ending
also, he's wrong. wrex was on earth when the relays blew up. whatever the krogan are doing, they're doing it without wrex
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It doesn't excuse what happened in the past. The Salarians and Krogan are responsible for the clusterfuck that made the genophage a desirable (but morally fucked) option.
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no it isn't! mordin's entire thing with the genophage modification project was because the krogan's birth rate was creeping up past genophage levels
you know
the ones painstakingly calculated to ensure the krogan population remained healthy and sustainable
the krogan have managed to work through the genophage for a good while now, so so far I'd say it's working better than the alternative, which went to shit almost instantly. In 1 and 2 Wrex thoroughly believes that they can rebuild the krogan even without a cure. He didn't care about getting it until he learned that it already exists
well I guess he has a brief moment where he really wants the cure saren's developed but even so
http://www.audioentropy.com/
yeah but that's because the krogan's natural defenses were starting to fight off the effects of the genophage, not because they were reproducing enough to counteract its effects.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
It is.
It WILL kill their species. Slowly, but surely.
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No, there was no "I think" or "these are my thoughts."
Also the one that doesn't in the least consider the current state of Krogan society or their reaction to the genophage.
It may not be the birth rates that are killing the Krogan, but it's definitely the genophage.
"do we do this repugnant thing or do we let the krogan wipe out every other race in the galaxy?"
if taky and the rest of the writing team wanted it to be etched into stone that the krogan would be awesome with a cure + wrex and eve, okay with a cure + wrex OR eve, and awful with a cure without wrex or eve, then they should have written it into the game. End of story.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Yup.
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basically
http://www.audioentropy.com/
so you did, origin is just bad at telling me when things happen
http://www.audioentropy.com/
But honestly, I think I'd cure it even if that shithole Wreav was in charge
If the krogan want to fight and die and force their species into extinction in a second rebellion, then let 'em
Self-determination and all that
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Okeer was a proper fucking boss
I love Okeer
His VA is great. "I like that part. It has weight" is one of my favorite ME lines
any time I hear a shithead I just mute everyone
No time for that shit
even wrex points out that the council would just figure out a new way to fuck over the krogan, one probably much worse than the genophage
the genophage is more important to protect the krogan from the krogan than protecting the galaxy from the krogan
http://www.audioentropy.com/
if only he came along in ME2 and was a foil to mordin
and imagine the fun if he were around for the events of ME3
and if there was a solution to the krogan rebellion that wasnt the genophage, they would have used it
but those two necessary evils are directly responsible for the galaxy being as stable as it is
or was, I guess, until the cuttlefish robots showed up
Playing through ME2 again I was struck by how well Okeer and Grunt were written
They felt well and properly alien, in terms of how they think and what their philosophies were
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significantly cut down on Grunt's dialogue to make room for okeer
and then (tuchanka)
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Or, I dunno, side with the reapers. They were technically pre-spaceflight anyway, maybe they could be convinced to spare them. (not really)
That is something to factor in.
Wreav tries to fuck with something like that, the Krogan empire becomes the Krogan extinction event.
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yeah me too
but my main problem is that someone will say something like "phantom on the right"
but since I don't know who said that, I do not know which way is right
That would have been rad
whoa whoa whoa
Nobody puts Grunt in the corner.