Theodore Flooseveltproud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelodorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered Userregular
I don't think that there's going to be slow motion, but I do think that when Rains of Castamere comes on Cat will have dialogue. As things happen in the book most people have left the hall, and the song starts playing. Cat walks up to Edwyn and grabs him, and feels the armor under his silks. She slaps him, and then he shoves her aside and the killing starts. The book has Cat recognize the inappropriate nature of the song and realize that Bad Things are about to go down, just before they do.
It's possible that the nature of the song, that Edwyn is wearing armor, and the sudden obvious peril might be communicated through The Power of Acting, but I think that some dialog on Cat's part will be necessary for the viewing audience. Or, it could basically be just a scene that keeps going past its logical end, and then the music starts, and all we get is the stunned expression on Cat's face before the killing starts.
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She'll grab his arm, there'll be the Foley artists letting us know something amiss, she pulls up the sleeve of his tunic...
If anything I think the best way for the red wedding to happen is just for shit to never change momentum once it's starting
Build up the suspense early on, with Cat asking to break bread with him. Let him consider it for a second, everyone gets tense... Yeaaaah, fine ok. Whew, everything's worked out. Then everyone's just at dinner and Castamere starts to play, folks look up a bit puzzled, and then arrows start flying down on them out of nowhere, with no build up until it explodes.
And then don't give the audience a chance to breath until Catelyn's holding the Frey at knifepoint, and it still seems like she might save Robb.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
If anything I think the best way for the red wedding to happen is just for shit to never change momentum once it's starting
Build up the suspense early on, with Cat asking to break bread with him. Let him consider it for a second, everyone gets tense... Yeaaaah, fine ok. Whew, everything's worked out. Then everyone's just at dinner and Castamere starts to play, folks look up a bit puzzled, and then arrows start flying down on them out of nowhere, with no build up until it explodes.
And then don't give the audience a chance to breath until Catelyn's holding the Frey at knifepoint, and it still seems like she might save Robb.
Yep I"m into this
I swear I"m getting PTSD just from reading these posts, that was a bad moment for me reading this series
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There was slomo in S1E9 right before Eddard lost his head.
And that feel is sort of how I see the "realization" part of it going down, as every thing is a bit wrong, up until Cat feels dude's armor. I think I'm letting Zach Snyder-y slowmo taint my brain regarding what counts as slowmo
If anything I think the best way for the red wedding to happen is just for shit to never change momentum once it's starting
Build up the suspense early on, with Cat asking to break bread with him. Let him consider it for a second, everyone gets tense... Yeaaaah, fine ok. Whew, everything's worked out. Then everyone's just at dinner and Castamere starts to play, folks look up a bit puzzled, and then arrows start flying down on them out of nowhere, with no build up until it explodes.
And then don't give the audience a chance to breath until Catelyn's holding the Frey at knifepoint, and it still seems like she might save Robb.
Yeah, that sense of momentum up to her grabbing the poor, dim Frey was totally there in the book, and I think they can translate it to the screen just like that
Was anyone a bit irked by the presence of the giants so prominantly in Jon's storyline in Dance? I dunno im cool that they exist in the world I guess, and normally im the last guy to poo-poo traditional fantasy elements, but I felt like Martin has built up my expectations of the realism of the world, and with Dragons, Forest Children and White Walkers I felt they were one 'creature' too many, particularly since their inclusion didnt have any thematic elements like the others, and seemed to boil down to 'check it out Giants'. They even seemed like the typical 'dopey' giants we've seen a million times before.
Im hoping they just cut them from the TV show if it ever gets that far.
The giants were mentioned in Nan's stories too and Jon first saw them in Storm. It's not too far fetched to have them become more prominent when the others, children of the forest and dragons were considered stories as well, although dragons were much more recent than the rest.
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
I know im not saying they shouldnt exist, im just saying theres not really a thematic place for them, and they're inclusion isnt as spectacualr and ominous as the rest of the fantasy elements
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They're not supposed to be spectacular and ominous. North of the wall, the giants are just big dudes, not mythical fairytale monsters.
he describes them as 14 feet and they have a kind of animalistic intelligence, thats more mythical fairytale than big dudes, at least thats how I felt it was described. Im just saying personally I felt it muddied the waters a bit for me
I've always just pictured them as really big dudes. I don't think of their intelligence as limited, they know the Old Tongue quite well. I think they have somewhat primitive mindsets in the way many wildlings do; willing to do whatever it takes to survive. This is just not understood by those south of the wall, and since giants are, well, giant, they are more accustomed to getting their way.
so, I guess I have "taller, beefier Bigfoot" as my point of reference
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Ironically, I see them as kind of like Ewoks. The Ewoks aren't stupid, but they're culturally not as advanced, and (in the EU) it's hinted they rely more on sensory information (smell, etc.) than analysis.
On a list that includes (among others) Star Wars, Dr. Who, Joss Whedon, and Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones fans are considered the most devoted. I especially got a kick out of the "most pirated show of 2012" line.
Take note, HBO. Offer episodes (as they air) at a reasonable price on iTunes or Amazon and I think a fair number of those pirates would willingly give you money.
On a list that includes (among others) Star Wars, Dr. Who, Joss Whedon, and Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones fans are considered the most devoted. I especially got a kick out of the "most pirated show of 2012" line.
Take note, HBO. Offer episodes (as they air) at a reasonable price on iTunes or Amazon and I think a fair number of those pirates would willingly give you money.
Yes pleeeeease. I want my wife to watch and catch up with me as soon as possible, and we would gladly pay a small amount to stream the episodes. We just don't want to wait until March or so until the blu-ray comes out.
On a list that includes (among others) Star Wars, Dr. Who, Joss Whedon, and Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones fans are considered the most devoted. I especially got a kick out of the "most pirated show of 2012" line.
Take note, HBO. Offer episodes (as they air) at a reasonable price on iTunes or Amazon and I think a fair number of those pirates would willingly give you money.
Not gonna happen. The reduction in subs would probably reduce profits and it would for sure piss of their carriers and those are the guys HBO needs to keep happy.
Yeah, it's in HBO's interest not to let their shows be easy to get without a subscription. If you get HBO for game of thrones chances are you'll probably just end up keeping the subscription when it's not airing.
HBO doesn't make its money through advertising, so while lowering the cost of viewing episodes would result in a lot more viewers, it wouldn't actually end up helping the company keep making content.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Hell, make HBO Go a pay streaming service, outside of having to have a cable subscription. I dont have cable, but I would gladly pay for HBO Go if it was reasonably priced just to watch Game of Thrones.
It's just a stupid mess right now. HBO firmly believes that "cable cutters" are a fad, and most people will return to the fold. I firmly believe the opposite - that TV as it has been done is changing, rapidly, and I'd really like (for selfish reasons, naturally) HBO to get on board what I see as the future.
I just wish they could experiment without needing to commit: if they start allowing HBO Go to customers who don't have television packages, then TWC, AT&T, et al will throw a hissy fit. So they'd need to be absolutely sure they could sustain themselves under the new model before they can even try it.
Neither of those are gonna happen because HBO depends on the goodwill of the cable companies.
HBO survives because cable companies upsell their customers to HBO and in return people buy cable to get HBO (and there might be some other deal in there too)
HBO can't cut the cable companies out of the loop because they desperately need their support.
There was a pretty good interview with the prez of HBO a while ago where he pretty much laid all that business strategy out on the table. It was actually refreshingly frank.
He pointed out that, among other things, HBO doesn't do any selling itself, all the upsells for HBO are done by their business partners. So even things like setting up an a la carte option for ordering just HBO is a lot trickier decision for them than it would seem like at first.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Coming in a bit late to the party regarding giants. Doesnt he describe them as giant hairy men? I always pictured them something like Sasquatches but bigger.
Also I am rereading book 1 and getting a bunch of the nuance that I missed the first time through. It has also led me to believe that with the speculation surrounding Jon's parentage I put my money on:
Jon being Robert and Lyanna's kid moreso than anything.
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Hardly.
For one thing, we know Robert. I don't think he'd have had any hangups about Lyanna if he actually bedded her.
For one thing, we know Robert. I don't think he'd have had any hangups about Lyanna if he actually bedded her.
You're suggesting that the only reason Robert mourns Lyanna is because he got blue-balled?
She was the one that got away. It probably doesn't hurt that he thinks she was abducted and raped, but given that he was basically the good-looking king of all fratboys and later the king of all the realms, he probably got any woman he wanted...except her.
Lyanna snuck out with the drama nerd. I guess everything in Martin's magnum opus can be understood through the lens of the American high school experience.
Just finished book 4, I don't get the hate. I really liked book 4 quite a bit. Moving on to 5 here soon. Based on the authors note at the end of 4, am I to understand that book 5 takes place parallel to 4, just filling in the events of different characters?
Also I'm confused by the thread title, are you supposed to talk freely without spoiler tags in this forum, or you can talk freely, just make sure to use the spoiler tags for plot?
I also finished watching season 1 and I'm not thrilled about it. There are good and bad elements, but I'm frustrated by some of the changes that dont seem to be made for any reason other than how it tested with audiences. I don't mind plot or thematic changes to fit the medium better, that's fine. When it's just about making things more pretty or likable to a mainstream audience then it's irritating. Also there is a lot more gratuitous nudity and sex in the first season than in book 1, while taking out some of the more important nudity (I thought) that added to a characters personality or vulnerability. Either way, better than a lot of bullshit on tv I suppose.
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Most of the hate for book 4 was because of the long wait for it and then the lack of several plotlines that people had been waiting for like Tyrion. It's also a book largely about people going, "So, this is my life now?" after the crazy fallout of the last 3 books.
Personally it's my favorite book of the series so far though
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
For one thing, we know Robert. I don't think he'd have had any hangups about Lyanna if he actually bedded her.
You're suggesting that the only reason Robert mourns Lyanna is because he got blue-balled?
Well it seems strikingly clear that she wasn't actually kidnapped, and that this version of Lyanna in Robert's head probably had no basis in reality
Then what is Ned's excuse? I guess he probably knew Robert better than his own sister (considering he was sent away at a young age), but you'd think someone in the family would be like "yo dawg, that isn't exactly how it went down".
For one thing, we know Robert. I don't think he'd have had any hangups about Lyanna if he actually bedded her.
You're suggesting that the only reason Robert mourns Lyanna is because he got blue-balled?
Well it seems strikingly clear that she wasn't actually kidnapped, and that this version of Lyanna in Robert's head probably had no basis in reality
Then what is Ned's excuse? I guess he probably knew Robert better than his own sister (considering he was sent away at a young age), but you'd think someone in the family would be like "yo dawg, that isn't exactly how it went down".
I'm guessing he had no choice or didn't find out until it was too late. At that point, pissing off the king is a terrible idea. It may explain why he basically abandoned Robert and just went home though.
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Yeah, they'll probably have it feel slowed down as Catelyn is piecing it all together moments before it happens
but not like literal slowmo, I'd hope. I don't think slowmo has even been used in the series, has it?
At least once in season 2, when the Hound is freaking out at the Battle of the Blackwater.
So there's precedent. The Hound lost his shit during the Battle of Blackwater, just as Caitlyn loses hers at the Red Wedding.
It's possible that the nature of the song, that Edwyn is wearing armor, and the sudden obvious peril might be communicated through The Power of Acting, but I think that some dialog on Cat's part will be necessary for the viewing audience. Or, it could basically be just a scene that keeps going past its logical end, and then the music starts, and all we get is the stunned expression on Cat's face before the killing starts.
Build up the suspense early on, with Cat asking to break bread with him. Let him consider it for a second, everyone gets tense... Yeaaaah, fine ok. Whew, everything's worked out. Then everyone's just at dinner and Castamere starts to play, folks look up a bit puzzled, and then arrows start flying down on them out of nowhere, with no build up until it explodes.
And then don't give the audience a chance to breath until Catelyn's holding the Frey at knifepoint, and it still seems like she might save Robb.
Yep I"m into this
I swear I"m getting PTSD just from reading these posts, that was a bad moment for me reading this series
And that feel is sort of how I see the "realization" part of it going down, as every thing is a bit wrong, up until Cat feels dude's armor. I think I'm letting Zach Snyder-y slowmo taint my brain regarding what counts as slowmo
Yeah, that sense of momentum up to her grabbing the poor, dim Frey was totally there in the book, and I think they can translate it to the screen just like that
Im hoping they just cut them from the TV show if it ever gets that far.
The Mountain is a big dude
Giants are, uh, giants
The one in DWD picks up a guy and rips him in half, if I remember correctly
This is how I've been picturing them lately:
so, I guess I have "taller, beefier Bigfoot" as my point of reference
On a list that includes (among others) Star Wars, Dr. Who, Joss Whedon, and Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones fans are considered the most devoted. I especially got a kick out of the "most pirated show of 2012" line.
Take note, HBO. Offer episodes (as they air) at a reasonable price on iTunes or Amazon and I think a fair number of those pirates would willingly give you money.
Yes pleeeeease. I want my wife to watch and catch up with me as soon as possible, and we would gladly pay a small amount to stream the episodes. We just don't want to wait until March or so until the blu-ray comes out.
Not gonna happen. The reduction in subs would probably reduce profits and it would for sure piss of their carriers and those are the guys HBO needs to keep happy.
HBO doesn't make its money through advertising, so while lowering the cost of viewing episodes would result in a lot more viewers, it wouldn't actually end up helping the company keep making content.
I just wish they could experiment without needing to commit: if they start allowing HBO Go to customers who don't have television packages, then TWC, AT&T, et al will throw a hissy fit. So they'd need to be absolutely sure they could sustain themselves under the new model before they can even try it.
HBO survives because cable companies upsell their customers to HBO and in return people buy cable to get HBO (and there might be some other deal in there too)
HBO can't cut the cable companies out of the loop because they desperately need their support.
He pointed out that, among other things, HBO doesn't do any selling itself, all the upsells for HBO are done by their business partners. So even things like setting up an a la carte option for ordering just HBO is a lot trickier decision for them than it would seem like at first.
Also I am rereading book 1 and getting a bunch of the nuance that I missed the first time through. It has also led me to believe that with the speculation surrounding Jon's parentage I put my money on:
You're suggesting that the only reason Robert mourns Lyanna is because he got blue-balled?
She was the one that got away. It probably doesn't hurt that he thinks she was abducted and raped, but given that he was basically the good-looking king of all fratboys and later the king of all the realms, he probably got any woman he wanted...except her.
Well it seems strikingly clear that she wasn't actually kidnapped, and that this version of Lyanna in Robert's head probably had no basis in reality
Also I'm confused by the thread title, are you supposed to talk freely without spoiler tags in this forum, or you can talk freely, just make sure to use the spoiler tags for plot?
I also finished watching season 1 and I'm not thrilled about it. There are good and bad elements, but I'm frustrated by some of the changes that dont seem to be made for any reason other than how it tested with audiences. I don't mind plot or thematic changes to fit the medium better, that's fine. When it's just about making things more pretty or likable to a mainstream audience then it's irritating. Also there is a lot more gratuitous nudity and sex in the first season than in book 1, while taking out some of the more important nudity (I thought) that added to a characters personality or vulnerability. Either way, better than a lot of bullshit on tv I suppose.
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Personally it's my favorite book of the series so far though
Then what is Ned's excuse? I guess he probably knew Robert better than his own sister (considering he was sent away at a young age), but you'd think someone in the family would be like "yo dawg, that isn't exactly how it went down".