Did GOG release something resembling a sane translation of pathologic? That was my biggest hurdle last time.
Also, let me recommend two worlds from the most recent sale. For 4 dollars, you get a heck of a lot of hilariously terrible RPG. If you come to the conclusion that the game is in on the joke and also knows how bad it is, that game can be genuinely enjoyable.
Did GOG release something resembling a sane translation of pathologic? That was my biggest hurdle last time.
Also, let me recommend two worlds from the most recent sale. For 4 dollars, you get a heck of a lot of hilariously terrible RPG. If you come to the conclusion that the game is in on the joke and also knows how bad it is, that game can be genuinely enjoyable.
For me the greatest hurdle was pretty much the entirety of the gameplay. Running around the city while trying to figure out where the main and side missions were with a super fast constantly ticking clock was frustrating, and the combat did not exactly help.
It is incredibly fascinating though. If I could make any game I wanted, remaking Pathologic with revamped gameplay systems would be very high up on that list.
For anyone thinking about picking it up I would probably recommend getting The Void instead. That game is equally weird and fascinating, but also has some decent and very interesting gameplay systems.
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There was a good write up on either Giant Bomb or RPS about Pathologic where the guy basically detailed a play through and explained it very well. It's obviously spoiler heavy, but it gave me a great idea of what the game was trying to accomplish.
I tried playing Planescape Torment but it constantly kept crashing to desktop, so I gave up pretty quickly.
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The first time I finished PS:T, I think it was my third try. Both previous times I had lost interest somewhere. I think generally after the catacombs is where it really picks up and got me hooked.
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Any other fun RPGs in the same sort of vein as those two you guys would suggest?
Going back and playing Fallout 1 and 2 after jumping into the series with 3 was sort of my first experience with these sort of older isometric RPGs. Was wondering if there were a few must haves or classics I was overlooking.
Any other fun RPGs in the same sort of vein as those two you guys would suggest?
Going back and playing Fallout 1 and 2 after jumping into the series with 3 was sort of my first experience with these sort of older isometric RPGs. Was wondering if there were a few must haves or classics I was overlooking.
Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2. The Icewind Dale games aren't shabby, either.
Any other fun RPGs in the same sort of vein as those two you guys would suggest?
Going back and playing Fallout 1 and 2 after jumping into the series with 3 was sort of my first experience with these sort of older isometric RPGs. Was wondering if there were a few must haves or classics I was overlooking.
Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2. The Icewind Dale games aren't shabby, either.
yeah, the BG games are pretty classic.
The Ultima series isn't quite the same - the ruleset is custom, not based on D&D / PNP - but definitely worth looking into.
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Thanks, guys.
If I decide to get Baldur's Gate, should I just go with the cheaper original version or the enhanced edition?
Seems like mods could bring the former up to par with the latter.
You can use mods to get most of the Enhanced Edition stuff, but there's new content too. No idea if it's worth it.
I'll also promote the Ultima series, as probably the single most important western RPG franchise. 6 and 7 (parts 1 & 2) in particular are real treats.
I was going to say something about this, but then I realized that I can't actually name more than one other major western RPG franchise. Namely, the Might & Magic series, and that hasn't been a straight-forward RPG in over a decade. Though it never really seemed to move beyond first-person dungeon crawling. Nothing wrong with that, mind.
Something like 80% of the remaining games are one-offs, licensed, or hybridized with other genres (and even then, usually one-off).
I"m not counting LOL - it was a fairly short-lived series. Just three games. If it had gotten all 8 planned titles (or so saith wiki), I would include it.
I liked what little I played of Guardians of Destiny, of course.
Wizardry was absolutely a historic franchise, but I'd be happy to get into a debate on what sort of a lasting impact it made on the RPG industry. So many of the great western RPGs of the last couple decades have roots in one Ultima game or another, I'd be hard pressed not to be able to find links.
Though Wizardry was more successful. Wizardry 8 came out in like 2001, right? I seem to recall it winning all sorts of GotY awards. The last great Ultima was in 1993, but holy shit, 7p1/p2 are still my most favorite games of all time.
He didn't say historic, he said major.
Though, lasting impact seems like a red herring when discussing must-play games of a genre, there are plenty of games that failed to make enough of a splash to leave a mark, despite being fantastic, ahead of their time or both.
It's a tangent: the conversation made me consider the game in the wider M&M context, and that consideration filled me with an impulse to give the game a fair shake.
As I suggested earlier, I'm looking to start playing Heroes of Might and Magic V. I have the base game, plus Hammers of Fate and Tribes of the East.
Wanted to ask a couple of questions to prep:
Is there a single storyline to follow from base -> Hammers -> Tribes?
Is it like Civ IV, where I launched BTS and had access to (basically) everything or is it Half-Life 2, where I have to exit and launch the next expansion at the appropriate time?
Tried playing System Shock 2 today. Can't wrap my head around all these crazy stats at all, and then I got gang-beat by mutants 3 times before rage quitting. Oh and I killed a weird monkey?
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gog has that digital backup copy thing that I had totally forgotten about
http://www.gog.com/witcher/backup
Damn I need to reinstall that game and give it a weekend. Such a remarkable atmosphere.
It mostly made me want to experience it, but never ever play it.
Also, is this version properly translated?
Also, let me recommend two worlds from the most recent sale. For 4 dollars, you get a heck of a lot of hilariously terrible RPG. If you come to the conclusion that the game is in on the joke and also knows how bad it is, that game can be genuinely enjoyable.
For me the greatest hurdle was pretty much the entirety of the gameplay. Running around the city while trying to figure out where the main and side missions were with a super fast constantly ticking clock was frustrating, and the combat did not exactly help.
It is incredibly fascinating though. If I could make any game I wanted, remaking Pathologic with revamped gameplay systems would be very high up on that list.
For anyone thinking about picking it up I would probably recommend getting The Void instead. That game is equally weird and fascinating, but also has some decent and very interesting gameplay systems.
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/04/10/butchering-pathologic-part-1-the-body/
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/04/11/butchering-pathologic-part-2-the-mind/
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/04/12/butchering-pathologic-part-3-the-soul/
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
So happy this one is available. I'm slowly getting to the point that my CD collection is becoming unnecessary (but it will never go away...)
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
That was the first game I ever bought. Damn man. I'm going to have to play that for old time's sake.
This Arcanum game seems pretty interesting aswell. Only five bucks, why the hell not, right? Tim Cain's name is on it, thats good enough for me.
Planescape has pretty terrible combat, but a strong story.
what little I've played of Arcanum has been really fun. There is a fan patch floating around that's pretty helpful
Gonna have a goooooood time
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
Going back and playing Fallout 1 and 2 after jumping into the series with 3 was sort of my first experience with these sort of older isometric RPGs. Was wondering if there were a few must haves or classics I was overlooking.
Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2. The Icewind Dale games aren't shabby, either.
yeah, the BG games are pretty classic.
The Ultima series isn't quite the same - the ruleset is custom, not based on D&D / PNP - but definitely worth looking into.
If I decide to get Baldur's Gate, should I just go with the cheaper original version or the enhanced edition?
Seems like mods could bring the former up to par with the latter.
I'll also promote the Ultima series, as probably the single most important western RPG franchise. 6 and 7 (parts 1 & 2) in particular are real treats.
Penny Arcade Rockstar Social Club / This is why I despise cyclists
I was going to say something about this, but then I realized that I can't actually name more than one other major western RPG franchise. Namely, the Might & Magic series, and that hasn't been a straight-forward RPG in over a decade. Though it never really seemed to move beyond first-person dungeon crawling. Nothing wrong with that, mind.
Something like 80% of the remaining games are one-offs, licensed, or hybridized with other genres (and even then, usually one-off).
No, the Japanese Wizardry games don't count, they've been stuck remaking Wizardry 2 for two decades now.
Or Lands of Lore. Be still my beating heart.
I"m not counting LOL - it was a fairly short-lived series. Just three games. If it had gotten all 8 planned titles (or so saith wiki), I would include it.
I liked what little I played of Guardians of Destiny, of course.
Though Wizardry was more successful. Wizardry 8 came out in like 2001, right? I seem to recall it winning all sorts of GotY awards. The last great Ultima was in 1993, but holy shit, 7p1/p2 are still my most favorite games of all time.
Penny Arcade Rockstar Social Club / This is why I despise cyclists
Though, lasting impact seems like a red herring when discussing must-play games of a genre, there are plenty of games that failed to make enough of a splash to leave a mark, despite being fantastic, ahead of their time or both.
I've owned 5 for almost 3 years, and have only launched it once.
It's a tangent: the conversation made me consider the game in the wider M&M context, and that consideration filled me with an impulse to give the game a fair shake.
Penny Arcade Rockstar Social Club / This is why I despise cyclists
Wanted to ask a couple of questions to prep:
Is there a single storyline to follow from base -> Hammers -> Tribes?
Is it like Civ IV, where I launched BTS and had access to (basically) everything or is it Half-Life 2, where I have to exit and launch the next expansion at the appropriate time?
Whatever, back to Baldur's Gate 2...
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