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loki's entire fall into space, being gifted with power but held accountable by "The Other" in return for an artifact that promises greater worlds, tots smells of Loki fell and made a deal with Death, then Death using Thanos for the staff (cosmic control rod) and the Chitauri.
Shwarma always seemed to be a bit of a kebab-y type thing. Granted I only even encountered it in senegal. And the place where we ate it... well, if you've ever been in some really rural area, and seen some sort 'Chinese Food' restaurant, then this was kind of like the senegalese take on american fast food. Just kinda wierd. I've never really encountered the word otherwise.
loki's entire fall into space, being gifted with power but held accountable by "The Other" in return for an artifact that promises greater worlds, tots smells of Loki fell and made a deal with Death, then Death using Thanos for the staff (cosmic control rod) and the Chitauri.
The comics/cartoon may have had Thanos controlling an aspect of Death, but personally I don't think the films would have Death being so servile towards him
Plus The Other being an incarnation of Death seems to detract from Thanos's glee at the whole "courting Death" statement
And correct me if I'm wrong but in some interpretations the Marvel Death is a cosmic entity with a whole lot of knowledge re: every society's history (because people die, and Death is aware of that) whereas The Other seemed pretty damn clueless about the nature of humans, finding them alien and unexpected
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Indie Winterdie KräheRudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered Userregular
Yeah, where I had it it wasn't shaved meat, but something else. I dunno, I didn't question it much. However, I wouldn't think that the same sorts of standards for shwarmas carry from where I had it to the typical new york place.
Wikipedia says its spelt shawarma, also explains what it is.
(Arabic: شاورما) is a popular Levantine Arab[1][2] meat preparation, where lamb, goat, chicken, turkey, beef, or mixed meats are placed on a spit (commonly a vertical spit in restaurants), and may be grilled for as long as a day. Shavings are cut off the block of meat for serving, and the remainder of the block of meat is kept heated on the rotating spit. Although it can be served in shavings on a plate (generally with accompaniments), "shawarma" also refers to a pita bread sandwich or wrap made with shawarma meat. Shawarma is eaten with tabbouleh, fattoush, taboon bread, tomato, and cucumber. Toppings include tahini, hummus, pickled turnips and amba. Shawarma is a fast-food staple across the Middle East, Europe and the Caucasus.
The only good thing about the UK title is that entering "Avengers Assemble" into Wikipedia immediately takes you to the movie without needing to go through a disambiguation page
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Indie Winterdie KräheRudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered Userregular
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amba is spicy mango sauce, and the best goddamn thing to add to shawarma
mind you don't slather it on, that stuff is p. strong
The only good thing about the UK title is that entering "Avengers Assemble" into Wikipedia immediately takes you to the movie without needing to go through a disambiguation page
Wikipedia says its spelt shawarma, also explains what it is.
(Arabic: شاورما) is a popular Levantine Arab[1][2] meat preparation, where lamb, goat, chicken, turkey, beef, or mixed meats are placed on a spit (commonly a vertical spit in restaurants), and may be grilled for as long as a day. Shavings are cut off the block of meat for serving, and the remainder of the block of meat is kept heated on the rotating spit. Although it can be served in shavings on a plate (generally with accompaniments), "shawarma" also refers to a pita bread sandwich or wrap made with shawarma meat. Shawarma is eaten with tabbouleh, fattoush, taboon bread, tomato, and cucumber. Toppings include tahini, hummus, pickled turnips and amba. Shawarma is a fast-food staple across the Middle East, Europe and the Caucasus.
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Lot of talk about why superheroes tend not to kill, and not one of you hit the real reason?
They want to use those villains again. There are in-universe explanations to justify it, but those are secondary to not wanting to lose all the memorable villains and have to come up with all new ones.
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Indie Winterdie KräheRudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered Userregular
I've actually heard more people calling it a gyro than a kebab
Lot of talk about why superheroes tend not to kill, and not one of you hit the real reason?
They want to use those villains again. There are in-universe explanations to justify it, but those are secondary to not wanting to lose all the memorable villains and have to come up with all new ones.
Which drives me a bit nuts when superhero movies kill off the villians. The old batman movies were really atrocious about that. Same with iron man 1 and 2.
From what I remember, gyros are more ingredients stuffed into a pita bread roll, whereas kebabs (and this I have a lot of experience with) are in a wrap.
But shawarma isn't a word used in aus, and I'm reasonably sure that it isn't used so much in the uk.
Lot of talk about why superheroes tend not to kill, and not one of you hit the real reason?
They want to use those villains again. There are in-universe explanations to justify it, but those are secondary to not wanting to lose all the memorable villains and have to come up with all new ones.
Which drives me a bit nuts when superhero movies kill off the villians. The old batman movies were really atrocious about that. Same with iron man 1 and 2.
To be fair, I don't think the old Batman movies expected to keep going long enough for it to matter. And they were right!
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Indie Winterdie KräheRudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered Userregular
I've only heard the word "kebab" used locally to describe shishkebabs, never gyros or shawarmas
The story may have been relatively simple, but it's still a story!
Also, would a person with gravity powers be able to lift Mjolnir?
Technically, yes!
In "Thor and the Warriors 4", which is admittedly an alternate universe, a version of Alex Power is deemed worthy of Mjolnir.
Which means he's probably killed some dudes off panel some time. Everybody knows you got to be willing to kill dudes to wield Mjolnir. It's why Superman could only lift it once in an emergency.
(Also, in Marvel Vs. DC, Wonder Woman lifted it, but nothing came of it because voters went with Storm in a fight, narrowly beating Lobo V. Wolverine as the most bullshit match on the fight card.)
...What?
Riiight. Not everyone's read the Simonson interview stuff on his reasoning for Beta Ray Bill.
Basically, Worthy doesn't just mean "good" or "heroic". Means that on top, of course, but this is the hammer of a Norse god, and those guys? All about the wrecking of faces. You have to be honest and forthright and all that. Sure. But also you need to be the kind of guy who'd get into Valhalla. Warrior's death.
Simonson didn't think Cap would qualify when writing the issue since Cap's flying the American flag. Meaning he'd be working for someone who isn't Odin and Asgard and publicizing it. Interesting enough, Cap first lifted the hammer when he was just The Captain. So no flag, no America, main problem gone.
I don't know that I like either of these ideas
I think "worthy" should mean a lot of things and shouldn't necessarily restrict people who don't kill and people who are not specifically sworn to Asgard
Worthy warrior is the key phrase. Vikings kill people. To be worthy of the hammer, you have to be a warrior, not a protector. The hammer is a killing weapon. That's the whole point.
It's why cap is worthy, and superman shouldn't be.
(I use superman as an example because he has wielded the hammer, and simonson thought it was a bad call. It still made a great image, though. )
But "worthy warrior" isn't the phrase
The phrase is just "if he be worthy"
I recognize what Simonson wanted to do with that framework but the actual wording of the enchantment leaves a lot of open ends and thus I don't like the way he has characterized it
Well I mean, you need to take into account the culture the enchantment was made in, that's why I was talking about worthy warriors, because that's what the enchantment means.
It doesn't mean "if you want to pick up this hammer to do some light gardening"
Norse culture revolves around heroic deeds, it's a warrior ethos. They think that killing your enemies is a virtue. So, I don't see a way around that, seeing as how their gods made the magic hammer. It's a killing weapon, and to be a worthy norse warrior is to be willing to kill your enemy.
I can see an argument being made for either interpretation. Although I wouldn't want to draw too many parallels between what the real Norse got up to and the values of the dimension-hopping Asgardians that they worshipped as gods in the comic
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this becomes so much better after the bro-tastic Avengers
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That mjolnir looks like a Marvel branded Jenga game.
i had it in south africa and it wasn't quite kebabs but maybe it's different in south africa
is shwarma as ubiquitous in america as kebabs are here? i guess it must not be
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Plus The Other being an incarnation of Death seems to detract from Thanos's glee at the whole "courting Death" statement
And correct me if I'm wrong but in some interpretations the Marvel Death is a cosmic entity with a whole lot of knowledge re: every society's history (because people die, and Death is aware of that) whereas The Other seemed pretty damn clueless about the nature of humans, finding them alien and unexpected
shwarma is basically a tastier version of doner kebab
edit: well maybe "tastier" isn't the right word
it's made from different meats and usually eaten differently (in a lafa instead of a pita)
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mind you don't slather it on, that stuff is p. strong
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bus_That_Couldn%27t_Slow_Down
Ah 'kay. So basically a kebab. MYSTERY SOLVED.
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They want to use those villains again. There are in-universe explanations to justify it, but those are secondary to not wanting to lose all the memorable villains and have to come up with all new ones.
Which drives me a bit nuts when superhero movies kill off the villians. The old batman movies were really atrocious about that. Same with iron man 1 and 2.
But shawarma isn't a word used in aus, and I'm reasonably sure that it isn't used so much in the uk.
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To be fair, I don't think the old Batman movies expected to keep going long enough for it to matter. And they were right!
language sure is strange, huh
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i couldn't find a decent one in america for love nor money
obviously i should've been asking for gyros or shwarmas?
Well I mean, you need to take into account the culture the enchantment was made in, that's why I was talking about worthy warriors, because that's what the enchantment means.
It doesn't mean "if you want to pick up this hammer to do some light gardening"
Norse culture revolves around heroic deeds, it's a warrior ethos. They think that killing your enemies is a virtue. So, I don't see a way around that, seeing as how their gods made the magic hammer. It's a killing weapon, and to be a worthy norse warrior is to be willing to kill your enemy.
I wanna talk about The Avengers!
'worthy' is here defined as 'that quality which thor, captain america, superman, beta ray bill and random paramedic x have in common'
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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I am seriously considering getting out of bed, getting dressed, leaving the house and buying a lamb with BBQ sauce kebab.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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Oh god no stomach stop driving this malleable hull that is my body.