exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
You realize that complaining on a non-Blizzard site, to people who disagree with you, isn't really enacting the glorious revolution you seek to spark with your rhetoric.
ok i don't get posts like this, it has nothing to do with complaining or directing anything to blizzard. it's a discussion we're having about the state of the game, people are free to disagree, and try to convince others to their side, and do all the other normal things that happen in a conversation
Well...
"I'm unhappy"
and
"we should demand that Blizzard fix this"
are two different sentiments.
If you're just complaining, that's fine. But I took your "we should demand bla bla" statement to be meant to...incite some sort of action.
And it is your personal job to stand in the way of action? Do you work for Blizzard? Could you tell your bosses to fix this?
Calling people "entitled" for expecting the thing that they paid $60~$100 for to work properly is absurd. If this was freeware you might have a point, but Blizzard has just made a whole lot of money off of people who are completely unable to use what they spent the money for.
We live in a world in which things sometimes break.
Expecting things to not break shows a complete lack of understanding for the world in which we live.
If you bought an online-only game, without any consideration for the fact that, maybe, it would fuck up on release night? Then maybe you need to pause, and reconsider your world outlook.
Expecting things to not break is not a complete lack of understanding. that's fucking ridiculous to say
i do not expect my car to break down within a week of me driving it.
i do not expect a game to delete my master boot record when it updates
i do not expect or want a game to completely waste my fucking time being down all the time. you should be expecting things to work is basically because you're pretty much given implicit guarantees about the quality and functionality of the product
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
You realize that complaining on a non-Blizzard site, to people who disagree with you, isn't really enacting the glorious revolution you seek to spark with your rhetoric.
ok i don't get posts like this, it has nothing to do with complaining or directing anything to blizzard. it's a discussion we're having about the state of the game, people are free to disagree, and try to convince others to their side, and do all the other normal things that happen in a conversation
Well...
"I'm unhappy"
and
"we should demand that Blizzard fix this"
are two different sentiments.
If you're just complaining, that's fine. But I took your "we should demand bla bla" statement to be meant to...incite some sort of action.
And it is your personal job to stand in the way of action? Do you work for Blizzard? Could you tell your bosses to fix this?
Calling people "entitled" for expecting the thing that they paid $60~$100 for to work properly is absurd. If this was freeware you might have a point, but Blizzard has just made a whole lot of money off of people who are completely unable to use what they spent the money for.
We live in a world in which things sometimes break.
Expecting things to not break shows a complete lack of understanding for the world in which we live.
If you bought an online-only game, without any consideration for the fact that, maybe, it would fuck up on release night? Then maybe you need to pause, and reconsider your world outlook.
Expecting things to not break is not a complete lack of understanding. that's fucking ridiculous to say
i do not expect my car to break down within a week of me driving it.
i do not expect a game to delete my master boot record when it updates
i do not expect or want a game to completely waste my fucking time being down all the time. you should be expecting things to work is basically because you're pretty much given implicit guarantees about the quality and functionality of the product
But one can at least appreciate that it's a possibility.
That's why you keep a spare tire in your car.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
THIS is what bothers me. Such ridiculous hyperbole undermines your argument and makes you look like a tad goosey. It is logisitically IMPOSSIBLE to have a smooth launch on day one of the most popular video game on the planet. To DEMAND that is be so just adds more feathers to that outfit.
lol yes, lets all get pitchforks and burn down blizzard. The point is simply that it's not ok that it's not working just because it's day 1 and your game is online. All the people saying "durr you should have expected it not to work" are missing the point, it should be working
Im at 250,000g . Aiming for a million before RMAH goes live. Hope it's worth something then. If not I'll just super speed power level my jewelcrafting.
Be careful. Your productivity will drop if you click this link.
That's pretty silly. Why shouldn't I expect a company that prides itself on their online games to do a smooth release of an online game?
Shouldn't we at least attempt to hold developers to a standard other than "Meh, maybe it'll work once enough interest has died off."
You can hold them to that standard all you want, and they can try and hold themselves to that standard as well. Then people log in on day one and the bugs, glitches, server loads, what have you, that they missed are brought forcibly to the forefront and they have to deal with them.
I mean realistically speaking it would be silly to assume they they did not try and simulate a launch and test it as much as possible. But when the real thing happens, things come up that are missed.
Such is life.
If I launched a project with the same up time that Diablo 3 has had, I'd be fired (and I'd deserve it, too). That's life.
These are not the actions of a developer that is on top of the situation:
00:13 - BlizzardCS: We are in the process of performing an emergency maintenance for #D3 servers in the Americas to resolve several issues
00:36 - BlizzardCS: Sorry for the bad link, D3 forums are also in maintenance. O.o The link was to a post announcing it. Updates as soon as I have them.
This is what struggling to gain control of a situation looks like.
Not if you worked for blizzard or any other MMO company to date actually. One thing to remember is that while D3 does have ongoing issues with the actual D3 servers all of the other servers are in a "shared" environment. Login servers and battle.net are not just D3 based and an increased load on these will cause problems unforeseen.
actually to be fair the last 2 WoW expansions have had very smooth launches as did Starcraft 2 which had a heavy battle.net implementation. It's as '@Rorus Raz' said, it's a fucked launch and they knew this was going to happen and simply don't care because it won't matter long term
I just disagree. I know its bad that I have become accustomed to bad game launches but there is a distinct difference between a stable launch game such as wow and a new service such as D3. Even if it is the same company there just is always something in releases of this type no matter what. Starcraft2 shows that the battle net etc servers were stable but IMHO that game just doesnt require the server punch that this game does. Again this is my opinion. It goes back to the individual that stated why spend money on extra capacity when it will just be wasted. Spending money on this at a game company releasing a new product would get you fired faster than what was listed in the hidden quotes above. Especially in a game that doesnt have that fat subscription.
I just want to thank everyone for the great entertainment while the servers are down. This argument/debate/discussion is awesome and often times hilarious. :P (Not to say that I'm not still sad about not being able to play, but this is really great, you guys.. thanks!)
Agreed. Plus with the absolute rage being built up now - I really feel sorry for those Zombies et al once we get back on the servers. They are going to pay
Im at 250,000g . Aiming for a million before RMAH goes live. Hope it's worth something then. If not I'll just super speed power level my jewelcrafting.
I'd expect them to have a solid online infrastructure if they are requiring it for any play, at all.
This isn't a MMO.
This isn't an issue that is only attributed to MMO's. Most Popular Multiplayer games have issues on Day 1. This goes for RTS, FPS, MMO, Any Multiplayer game that is decently popular.
Dunno man. I seem to recall Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 to have pretty smooth launches.
LOL... There is a difference between FPS and a game like D3... you know the part about games being hosted by the players.
I appreciate that there's a difference between a chiefly client/server FPS and a hybrid peer-to-peer/client-server game like D3.
But please bear in mind the context of the conversation:
Bigity: This isn't an MMO, Blizzard should have its act together.
Delphinidaes: Non-MMOs (like FPSes and any MP game that's popular) have these problems, too.
jdarksun: Really? Because two of the most popular (BF3, ME3) had better Day 1 up time.
Then you come in with:
Jubal77: "LOL... There is a difference between FPS and a game like D3"
Dunno I had pretty major issues day one for BF3 and I certainly wasn't alone. I haven't played Mass Effect 3 so I cannot comment on the launch for that.
For me though I like to look at it like this: I go into it expecting the game to work Day 1, but if it doesn't I am never surprised.
Ah, I forgot about the console release issues with BF3. It was pretty good on the PC side, though some Russian folk had problems.
Still not on the scale of problems Diablo 3 is having. If it was an MMO, I'd call it the worst launch since WoW.
That might be taking it a bit far. I mean don't get me wrong you are entitled to your opinion, but am I really alone in not really being bothered by this stuff? Maybe i'm just numb to it after years of prolonged exposures to MMO's.
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As an aside -- if I was working on Path of Exile, I would be all over twitter right now with a "Come try Path of Exile, the Diablo-eque MMORPG that actually works" and a quick stress test / open beta for the next few days.
The White Knighting in this thread is kinda sad. You guys do know that defending Blizzard won't get you increased money and magic find, right?
I like Diablo.
I appreciate that it exists.
So, I do kind of want to defend the people who made it. They gave me something I like. Empty as the gesture is, I'd like to be on their side when people start ranting about them.
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
You realize that complaining on a non-Blizzard site, to people who disagree with you, isn't really enacting the glorious revolution you seek to spark with your rhetoric.
ok i don't get posts like this, it has nothing to do with complaining or directing anything to blizzard. it's a discussion we're having about the state of the game, people are free to disagree, and try to convince others to their side, and do all the other normal things that happen in a conversation
Well...
"I'm unhappy"
and
"we should demand that Blizzard fix this"
are two different sentiments.
If you're just complaining, that's fine. But I took your "we should demand bla bla" statement to be meant to...incite some sort of action.
And it is your personal job to stand in the way of action? Do you work for Blizzard? Could you tell your bosses to fix this?
Calling people "entitled" for expecting the thing that they paid $60~$100 for to work properly is absurd. If this was freeware you might have a point, but Blizzard has just made a whole lot of money off of people who are completely unable to use what they spent the money for.
We live in a world in which things sometimes break.
Expecting things to not break shows a complete lack of understanding for the world in which we live.
If you bought an online-only game, without any consideration for the fact that, maybe, it would fuck up on release night? Then maybe you need to pause, and reconsider your world outlook.
Expecting things to not break is not a complete lack of understanding. that's fucking ridiculous to say
i do not expect my car to break down within a week of me driving it.
i do not expect a game to delete my master boot record when it updates
i do not expect or want a game to completely waste my fucking time being down all the time. you should be expecting things to work is basically because you're pretty much given implicit guarantees about the quality and functionality of the product
But one can at least appreciate that it's a possibility.
That's why you keep a spare tire in your car.
no but you don't keep a spare engine or a spare transmission in your car? something that completely negates your ability to enjoy the thing you bought?
Im at 250,000g . Aiming for a million before RMAH goes live. Hope it's worth something then. If not I'll just super speed power level my jewelcrafting.
I.. how did you... what the hell?! You're a damn machine, dude.
"No.. I was wrong. This must be what going mad feels like."
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
You realize that complaining on a non-Blizzard site, to people who disagree with you, isn't really enacting the glorious revolution you seek to spark with your rhetoric.
ok i don't get posts like this, it has nothing to do with complaining or directing anything to blizzard. it's a discussion we're having about the state of the game, people are free to disagree, and try to convince others to their side, and do all the other normal things that happen in a conversation
Well...
"I'm unhappy"
and
"we should demand that Blizzard fix this"
are two different sentiments.
If you're just complaining, that's fine. But I took your "we should demand bla bla" statement to be meant to...incite some sort of action.
And it is your personal job to stand in the way of action? Do you work for Blizzard? Could you tell your bosses to fix this?
Calling people "entitled" for expecting the thing that they paid $60~$100 for to work properly is absurd. If this was freeware you might have a point, but Blizzard has just made a whole lot of money off of people who are completely unable to use what they spent the money for.
We live in a world in which things sometimes break.
Expecting things to not break shows a complete lack of understanding for the world in which we live.
If you bought an online-only game, without any consideration for the fact that, maybe, it would fuck up on release night? Then maybe you need to pause, and reconsider your world outlook.
Expecting things to not break is not a complete lack of understanding. that's fucking ridiculous to say
i do not expect my car to break down within a week of me driving it.
i do not expect a game to delete my master boot record when it updates
i do not expect or want a game to completely waste my fucking time being down all the time. you should be expecting things to work is basically because you're pretty much given implicit guarantees about the quality and functionality of the product
at some point being flagrantly unrealistic about stuff like this is just dumb, though
like, we would all like to live in a world where this launch went completely smoothly, natch
obviously that has not been the case, and frequently isn't the case with online games
at what point is it no longer completely reasonable to be worked up about it?
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
THIS is what bothers me. Such ridiculous hyperbole undermines your argument and makes you look like a tad goosey. It is logisitically IMPOSSIBLE to have a smooth launch on day one of the most popular video game on the planet. To DEMAND that is be so just adds more feathers to that outfit.
Yeah, Starcraft 2 was such a small and irrelevant game. Some indie studio made it didn't they?
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
THIS is what bothers me. Such ridiculous hyperbole undermines your argument and makes you look like a tad goosey. It is logisitically IMPOSSIBLE to have a smooth launch on day one of the most popular video game on the planet. To DEMAND that is be so just adds more feathers to that outfit.
No. It's not impossible. As has been pointed out earlier, Cataclysm and Starcraft 2 had relatively smooth launches, the former shattering the previous record for sales that had been set by its predecessor.
Saying that it's impossible to have a smooth launch makes you just as hyperbolic as the person you're trying to deride.
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
THIS is what bothers me. Such ridiculous hyperbole undermines your argument and makes you look like a tad goosey. It is logisitically IMPOSSIBLE to have a smooth launch on day one of the most popular video game on the planet. To DEMAND that is be so just adds more feathers to that outfit.
lol yes, lets all get pitchforks and burn down blizzard. The point is simply that it's not ok that it's not working just because it's day 1 and your game is online. All the people saying "durr you should have expected it not to work" are missing the point, it should be working
Don't you think that they wanted it to work, did their best to get it to work within the time frame given to them, and simply made a mistake somewhere within the incredibly vast and complex system a computer game and its server support is? It happens.
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exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
You realize that complaining on a non-Blizzard site, to people who disagree with you, isn't really enacting the glorious revolution you seek to spark with your rhetoric.
ok i don't get posts like this, it has nothing to do with complaining or directing anything to blizzard. it's a discussion we're having about the state of the game, people are free to disagree, and try to convince others to their side, and do all the other normal things that happen in a conversation
Well...
"I'm unhappy"
and
"we should demand that Blizzard fix this"
are two different sentiments.
If you're just complaining, that's fine. But I took your "we should demand bla bla" statement to be meant to...incite some sort of action.
And it is your personal job to stand in the way of action? Do you work for Blizzard? Could you tell your bosses to fix this?
Calling people "entitled" for expecting the thing that they paid $60~$100 for to work properly is absurd. If this was freeware you might have a point, but Blizzard has just made a whole lot of money off of people who are completely unable to use what they spent the money for.
We live in a world in which things sometimes break.
Expecting things to not break shows a complete lack of understanding for the world in which we live.
If you bought an online-only game, without any consideration for the fact that, maybe, it would fuck up on release night? Then maybe you need to pause, and reconsider your world outlook.
Expecting things to not break is not a complete lack of understanding. that's fucking ridiculous to say
i do not expect my car to break down within a week of me driving it.
i do not expect a game to delete my master boot record when it updates
i do not expect or want a game to completely waste my fucking time being down all the time. you should be expecting things to work is basically because you're pretty much given implicit guarantees about the quality and functionality of the product
But one can at least appreciate that it's a possibility.
That's why you keep a spare tire in your car.
no but you don't keep a spare engine or a spare transmission in your car? something that completely negates your ability to enjoy the thing you bought?
A car is a bad analogy. You expect a car to work at it's best the first day you get it.
Im at 250,000g . Aiming for a million before RMAH goes live. Hope it's worth something then. If not I'll just super speed power level my jewelcrafting.
it won't be
Any thoughts on why?
Be careful. Your productivity will drop if you click this link.
I just hope that this annoying trend to force single player games online will end. I liked it when I could play D1 and D2 offline or via IP if I wanted to. That was nice.
Nothing, because there's nothing you can do. Can we move on to a new subject, please?
um.. it's the diablo thread. this is what's currently happening in diablo.
we could talk about my level 5 wizard that I played for an hour before work this morning 14 hours or so I guess but I don't really have much insight to offer
From their Twitter: "Americas region service update at: http://bit.ly/KeoqdB Service expected to return by 11:45 p.m. PDT as we work to resolve these issues."
Guess I'm going to bed because that's 1:45am here, and I have to work in the morning.
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
You realize that complaining on a non-Blizzard site, to people who disagree with you, isn't really enacting the glorious revolution you seek to spark with your rhetoric.
ok i don't get posts like this, it has nothing to do with complaining or directing anything to blizzard. it's a discussion we're having about the state of the game, people are free to disagree, and try to convince others to their side, and do all the other normal things that happen in a conversation
Well...
"I'm unhappy"
and
"we should demand that Blizzard fix this"
are two different sentiments.
If you're just complaining, that's fine. But I took your "we should demand bla bla" statement to be meant to...incite some sort of action.
And it is your personal job to stand in the way of action? Do you work for Blizzard? Could you tell your bosses to fix this?
Calling people "entitled" for expecting the thing that they paid $60~$100 for to work properly is absurd. If this was freeware you might have a point, but Blizzard has just made a whole lot of money off of people who are completely unable to use what they spent the money for.
We live in a world in which things sometimes break.
Expecting things to not break shows a complete lack of understanding for the world in which we live.
If you bought an online-only game, without any consideration for the fact that, maybe, it would fuck up on release night? Then maybe you need to pause, and reconsider your world outlook.
Stop it _J_, your "arguments" are condescending and downright silly.
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
THIS is what bothers me. Such ridiculous hyperbole undermines your argument and makes you look like a tad goosey. It is logisitically IMPOSSIBLE to have a smooth launch on day one of the most popular video game on the planet. To DEMAND that is be so just adds more feathers to that outfit.
No. It's not impossible. As has been pointed out earlier, Cataclysm and Starcraft 2 had relatively smooth launches, the former shattering the previous record for sales that had been set by its predecessor.
Saying that it's impossible to have a smooth launch makes you just as hyperbolic as the person you're trying to deride.
Different system leads to new issues. It's no coincidence that it took till the 3rd expansion for WoW launches to go smoothly.
with cataclysm they presumably had a much clearer idea of the loads involved. Also, being continuously supported via subscription probably has some input on the amount of investment they make in capacity
and sc2 still has a single player component, right?
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
You realize that complaining on a non-Blizzard site, to people who disagree with you, isn't really enacting the glorious revolution you seek to spark with your rhetoric.
ok i don't get posts like this, it has nothing to do with complaining or directing anything to blizzard. it's a discussion we're having about the state of the game, people are free to disagree, and try to convince others to their side, and do all the other normal things that happen in a conversation
Well...
"I'm unhappy"
and
"we should demand that Blizzard fix this"
are two different sentiments.
If you're just complaining, that's fine. But I took your "we should demand bla bla" statement to be meant to...incite some sort of action.
And it is your personal job to stand in the way of action? Do you work for Blizzard? Could you tell your bosses to fix this?
Calling people "entitled" for expecting the thing that they paid $60~$100 for to work properly is absurd. If this was freeware you might have a point, but Blizzard has just made a whole lot of money off of people who are completely unable to use what they spent the money for.
We live in a world in which things sometimes break.
Expecting things to not break shows a complete lack of understanding for the world in which we live.
If you bought an online-only game, without any consideration for the fact that, maybe, it would fuck up on release night? Then maybe you need to pause, and reconsider your world outlook.
Expecting things to not break is not a complete lack of understanding. that's fucking ridiculous to say
i do not expect my car to break down within a week of me driving it.
i do not expect a game to delete my master boot record when it updates
i do not expect or want a game to completely waste my fucking time being down all the time. you should be expecting things to work is basically because you're pretty much given implicit guarantees about the quality and functionality of the product
But one can at least appreciate that it's a possibility.
That's why you keep a spare tire in your car.
Like allowing people to play a game offline, that would be a good spare.
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exactly, the day we just expect this shit to be broken day 1 is the day that as a people we are broken.
it should work, we should demand that it should work or else it will never work
THIS is what bothers me. Such ridiculous hyperbole undermines your argument and makes you look like a tad goosey. It is logisitically IMPOSSIBLE to have a smooth launch on day one of the most popular video game on the planet. To DEMAND that is be so just adds more feathers to that outfit.
lol yes, lets all get pitchforks and burn down blizzard. The point is simply that it's not ok that it's not working just because it's day 1 and your game is online. All the people saying "durr you should have expected it not to work" are missing the point, it should be working
Don't you think that they wanted it to work, did their best to get it to work within the time frame given to them, and simply made a mistake somewhere within the incredibly vast and complex system a computer game and its server support is? It happens.
did they want it to work? ya sure. do they really care if it doesn't work for a couple days and then people forget about it? probably not. The game had more pre-orders than the history of any other blizzard game ever, they knew the demand and i'm sure they did a cost benefit ratio of more servers vs waiting a couple days
obviously we can see which one was cheaper
From their Twitter: "Americas region service update at: http://bit.ly/KeoqdB Service expected to return by 11:45 p.m. PDT as we work to resolve these issues."
Guess I'm going to bed because that's 1:45am here, and I have to work in the morning.
That's fairly convenient for me. It will be 6.45pm where I am and I am not expecting to get on before that anyway. Just hope it does come back on then or not too long after.
I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
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It bears repeating that tomorrow or in a week if you're seriously chafed that this will be forgotten and everyone will be happily playing. Blizzard, assuming that they are a rationally-motivated for-profit actor, had people running the numbers and thought they needed X number of servers. The price of additional server capacity for the launch rush compared to the loss in sales of their next product from seriously annoyed customers goes into the equation, they find an optimal point and purchase that amount of server capacity for launch. As a bonus, the particularly curmudgeonly portion of the player base Darwins itself out of the community for the next title, if they stick to their guns about picketing the company from here on out. I wouldn't put any money on that outcome, though.
Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
So, I kinda have to agree a little bit with the people who say this downtime is ridiculous. I mean, they have had 4 of the biggest launches in online-game history, and have the most popular online game of all time.
They also knew that this was going to be an absolutely massive release. I don't expect flawless release date. I was okay with launch-hour issues, the occasional take-down for updates, but there has been 2 3-hour downtimes already, and now this one is going to be longer. It's pretty brutal that they're having this many problems. It's like they thought this would be a small release day, and they weren't prepared at all.
That's my problem. It's pretty obvious they prepared terribly given their previous experience and certain knowledge about the size of this release.
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i do not expect my car to break down within a week of me driving it.
i do not expect a game to delete my master boot record when it updates
i do not expect or want a game to completely waste my fucking time being down all the time. you should be expecting things to work is basically because you're pretty much given implicit guarantees about the quality and functionality of the product
But one can at least appreciate that it's a possibility.
That's why you keep a spare tire in your car.
Not even close.
Fuck, the game works perfectly when the servers are up, putting it miles above the majority of MMO launches, including WoW.
I just disagree. I know its bad that I have become accustomed to bad game launches but there is a distinct difference between a stable launch game such as wow and a new service such as D3. Even if it is the same company there just is always something in releases of this type no matter what. Starcraft2 shows that the battle net etc servers were stable but IMHO that game just doesnt require the server punch that this game does. Again this is my opinion. It goes back to the individual that stated why spend money on extra capacity when it will just be wasted. Spending money on this at a game company releasing a new product would get you fired faster than what was listed in the hidden quotes above. Especially in a game that doesnt have that fat subscription.
Agreed. Plus with the absolute rage being built up now - I really feel sorry for those Zombies et al once we get back on the servers. They are going to pay
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it won't be
That might be taking it a bit far. I mean don't get me wrong you are entitled to your opinion, but am I really alone in not really being bothered by this stuff? Maybe i'm just numb to it after years of prolonged exposures to MMO's.
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So what are you going to do about it?
Nothing, because there's nothing you can do. Can we move on to a new subject, please?
I like Diablo.
I appreciate that it exists.
So, I do kind of want to defend the people who made it. They gave me something I like. Empty as the gesture is, I'd like to be on their side when people start ranting about them.
no but you don't keep a spare engine or a spare transmission in your car? something that completely negates your ability to enjoy the thing you bought?
I.. how did you... what the hell?! You're a damn machine, dude.
"No.. I was wrong. This must be what going mad feels like."
SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
at some point being flagrantly unrealistic about stuff like this is just dumb, though
like, we would all like to live in a world where this launch went completely smoothly, natch
obviously that has not been the case, and frequently isn't the case with online games
at what point is it no longer completely reasonable to be worked up about it?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
No. It's not impossible. As has been pointed out earlier, Cataclysm and Starcraft 2 had relatively smooth launches, the former shattering the previous record for sales that had been set by its predecessor.
Saying that it's impossible to have a smooth launch makes you just as hyperbolic as the person you're trying to deride.
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Don't you think that they wanted it to work, did their best to get it to work within the time frame given to them, and simply made a mistake somewhere within the incredibly vast and complex system a computer game and its server support is? It happens.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
A car is a bad analogy. You expect a car to work at it's best the first day you get it.
An online game is like the exact opposite.
Well that's hilarious.
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Any thoughts on why?
we could talk about my level 5 wizard that I played for an hour before work this morning 14 hours or so I guess but I don't really have much insight to offer
Guess I'm going to bed because that's 1:45am here, and I have to work in the morning.
Stop it _J_, your "arguments" are condescending and downright silly.
This is lame. Blizzard needs to build more ziggurats or something.
Edit: yeeeesh this thread moves fast
Different system leads to new issues. It's no coincidence that it took till the 3rd expansion for WoW launches to go smoothly.
Does anyone know what is
Hmm...
Sleep for two hours, or watch people complain on forums for 2 hours...
decisions decisions
and sc2 still has a single player component, right?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Like allowing people to play a game offline, that would be a good spare.
Yuuuup. Bed time for me!
Oh well, it was a fucking great first day. Finishing normal tomorrow I think.
obviously we can see which one was cheaper
That's fairly convenient for me. It will be 6.45pm where I am and I am not expecting to get on before that anyway. Just hope it does come back on then or not too long after.
Lose: The opposite of win
Loose: Your mum
They also knew that this was going to be an absolutely massive release. I don't expect flawless release date. I was okay with launch-hour issues, the occasional take-down for updates, but there has been 2 3-hour downtimes already, and now this one is going to be longer. It's pretty brutal that they're having this many problems. It's like they thought this would be a small release day, and they weren't prepared at all.
That's my problem. It's pretty obvious they prepared terribly given their previous experience and certain knowledge about the size of this release.
Game is amazing though, so I don't get mad.