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Elementalists: The [Phalla] Legacy - GAME END - Plants + Neutral Win!
It's not our fault that Fire and Water kept going out in front leading charges on mafia. The plants knew who they were, but you were gung-ho enough that it just seemed like a better idea to let you make targets of yourselves
It's not our fault that Fire and Water kept going out in front leading charges on mafia. The plants knew who they were, but you were gung-ho enough that it just seemed like a better idea to let you make targets of yourselves
you're bad and you should feel bad. voting slym over jdark. boo
It's not our fault that Fire and Water kept going out in front leading charges on mafia. The plants knew who they were, but you were gung-ho enough that it just seemed like a better idea to let you make targets of yourselves
you're bad and you should feel bad. voting slym over jdark. boo
begrudging congrats to the plants. more congrats to alegis who seemed to be actually fighting the mafia.
Also how many of you geese don't read? I clearly voted jdark and the narration showed that I guarded a fire elemental and SlyM claimed to be guarded. Are you all really that dense or were you intentionally playing stupid ? I really hope the latter
Intentionally playing stupid. Plus, at that point everyone knew jdark was the prostrate. It didn't really matter who I voted for.
begrudging congrats to the plants. more congrats to alegis who seemed to be actually fighting the mafia.
Also how many of you geese don't read? I clearly voted jdark and the narration showed that I guarded a fire elemental and SlyM claimed to be guarded. Are you all really that dense or were you intentionally playing stupid ? I really hope the latter
Intentionally playing stupid. Plus, at that point everyone knew jdark was the prostrate. It didn't really matter who I voted for.
At least you were controlling it .. If there were any SlyM votes that weren't
edit: also it seems like my guard on targets like Akimbo and Langly failed because they were double teamed. Is this correct?. Though I'm curious about my arms being held back in narration 1- sounded like I was roleblocked.
wait ok, looking over mafia orders, I was the target, so why didn't Egos' guard work on me?
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
Since the mafia was so short on people, on nights where one of them died, I made their group vig unblockable. Fueled by fury etc.
There was only one instance where that target was guarded that I can remember offhand, though it made for some awkward explanation
Since the mafia was so short on people, on nights where one of them died, I made their group vig unblockable. Fueled by fury etc.
There was only one instance where that target was guarded that I can remember offhand, though it made for some awkward explanation
Twice...both times me :I see above
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
If i could figure out how to put excel sheets online, I'd send you guys what I had
oh there were only four mafia? well then that is one thing I would definitely say needed to be changed. For your 7 man faction setup, with 28 people, a grouping of 5 mafia, 2 neutrals, and then 21 villagers would have made more sense.
also, as long as the unblockable kill was made as a mechanic before the game began, that is ok. It's weird to not tell the mafia that, but I guess isn't a huge deal.
Usually, host correction like that after the game is made is frowned upon.
oh there were only four mafia? well then that is one thing I would definitely say needed to be changed. For your 7 man faction setup, with 28 people, a grouping of 5 mafia, 2 neutrals, and then 21 villagers would have made more sense.
also, as long as the unblockable kill was made as a mechanic before the game began, that is ok. It's weird to not tell the mafia that, but I guess isn't a huge deal.
Usually, host correction like that after the game is made is frowned upon.
Yeah, I spent most of the game expecting the one of the two neutrals was actually a mafia. When I realized jdark really was the last one, it threw me for a bit of a loop.
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
@Egos - Day 2, he had 1 guard, but 2 vigs, and a master chose to destroy him. I had it in my mind that 1 guard protected against 1 vig @Jdarksun - You didn't die because he seered you. If a master tried to ABSORB you (he could absorb or destroy) then he would die.
Since the mafia was so short on people, on nights where one of them died, I made their group vig unblockable. Fueled by fury etc.
There was only one instance where that target was guarded that I can remember offhand, though it made for some awkward explanation
@TheRoadVirus The only mechanic that really stands out as bizarre to me is giving me infiltration but making me a toxic seer target that's publicly revealed when seered.
was there a difference between seers and vigis who would confirm their own by not killing? it seemed like Nirya was the later wasn't she(?)?
@Egos - Day 2, he had 1 guard, but 2 vigs, and a master chose to destroy him. I had it in my mind that 1 guard protected against 1 vig @Jdarksun - You didn't die because he seered you. If a master tried to ABSORB you (he could absorb or destroy) then he would die.
But... why would you publicly reveal that target?
Even factoring in the misstep, I think the balance was pretty anti-mafia.
Yeah, that was a huge mistake on my part, and I'm sorry for that. I should have just colored in the names of the people who were dying. Hindsight is 20/20, and the game wasn't very well balanced on the mafia side of things. You guys should definitely have had another person at the minimum
@Egos - Day 2, he had 1 guard, but 2 vigs, and a master chose to destroy him. I had it in my mind that 1 guard protected against 1 vig @Jdarksun - You didn't die because he seered you. If a master tried to ABSORB you (he could absorb or destroy) then he would die.
But... why would you publicly reveal that target?
Even factoring in the misstep, I think the balance was pretty anti-mafia.
Yeah, that was a huge mistake on my part, and I'm sorry for that. I should have just colored in the names of the people who were dying. Hindsight is 20/20, and the game wasn't very well balanced on the mafia side of things. You guys should definitely have had another person at the minimum
I agree, five mafia would have made things a lot stronger. Also, I think there needed to be a stronger motive for the factions to go after each other. This was my first faction phalla (trying saying THAT five times fast), but it seemed like there really wasn't any downside to revealing your faction to people. Aside from maybe this:
Damn, Saber. Plant? I had Fire and Water contingencies set out, and you had to be Plant.
The interesting thing about the misstep on day 1 was that it only became a major blunder when Kime vigged Bedlam. Had bedlam survived, we wouldn't have known he was prostrate and wouldn't have looked at that bandwagon nearly as hard. Having a bunch of seers helped, but knowing where to focus them also helped.
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
Yeah. Also the paper rock scissors aspect of things without much way to actually kill YOUR enemy made things more difficult. It seemed good in my head!
Yeah. Also the paper rock scissors aspect of things without much way to actually kill YOUR enemy made things more difficult. It seemed good in my head!
It was a good idea! It just needed a little more redundancy.
The two ideas you could look at are: 1) Allowing some of the powers (particularly the master) to go down to the trainees when the specials die. That would give the trainees something to look forward to and would make keeping your faction above a certain level very useful. 2) Having some sort of factional vote to kill a member of the opposing faction. It could work similar to the master, where using it on someone not opposed to you would cause it to fail. It also would reward fast networking, but give it a penalty as well, since you'd be exposing yourself to people who could kill you. There might be other ways, but those are two that spring to mind.
Yeah, so I absorbed SlyM day one, then tried to absorb jdarksun day two, which led to my death.
I can't really say any of the factions played well, except that I guess the plants soft networking payed off in the end. Or maybe it was just having all the vigs die by day 2.
And, for the record, I am a dude. Can we all remember that for the next game?
I think the masters power should work against even the stronger elements as long as that person of the stronger element was a trainee.
A trainee beating a master?
The setup didnt quite make sense in that regard because you were asking in our win condition for us to beat the stronger element, except we couldnt vig the stronger element. The vigs died real fast with all the limits you put on them.
Also I felt it wasnt stressed enough that the real war was between the elements, people were too interested in going after the neutrals and prostrate.
I also felt 3 seers were too much. Perhaps the seers could have been limited to only tell you if the person was of your own element, except for jdarksun's seer which would be full power. So useful for networking but thats it.
I failed to seer on two days, but still managed to form a network of my team with the help of sportzboy
Pretty sure water needed to kill plant, so I don't know why he was helping so much. I didn't offer him any information after the day when two prostrates had been seered. I knew we didn't need him any longer. In fact, we plotted to get the mafia to help us play kingmaker but they never responded. They would have had a legit chance to come back if they had helped us.
For the record, I knew you were fire. I was looking for a way to get the train off of looking for prostrate, it was pretty much too late though and everyone seemed dead set on giving plant its victory. If that vote was going to go tword you I would have asked jdark to take out a plant in exchange.
Oh and vote manipulation roles would have been useful in this phalla.
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
I want to thank everyone once again for playing, and for being patient with me haha. I've got some more ideas, but they will need lots of fine tuning and I'll be able to use what I learned here.
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you're bad and you should feel bad. voting slym over jdark. boo
you're awful
for what it's worth , I tried to guard you. For some reason it didn't take
whaaaat blugh blugh
I was just a regular guy, but at least I might have helped with our numbers.
Intentionally playing stupid. Plus, at that point everyone knew jdark was the prostrate. It didn't really matter who I voted for.
At least you were controlling it
edit: also it seems like my guard on targets like Akimbo and Langly failed because they were double teamed. Is this correct?. Though I'm curious about my arms being held back in narration 1- sounded like I was roleblocked.
There was only one instance where that target was guarded that I can remember offhand, though it made for some awkward explanation
Twice...both times me :I see above
also, as long as the unblockable kill was made as a mechanic before the game began, that is ok. It's weird to not tell the mafia that, but I guess isn't a huge deal.
Usually, host correction like that after the game is made is frowned upon.
Yeah, I spent most of the game expecting the one of the two neutrals was actually a mafia. When I realized jdark really was the last one, it threw me for a bit of a loop.
@Jdarksun - You didn't die because he seered you. If a master tried to ABSORB you (he could absorb or destroy) then he would die.
was there a difference between seers and vigis who would confirm their own by not killing? it seemed like Nirya was the later wasn't she(?)?
edit: answered.
Blasphemer and jdark are grudged forever
A list of things, should you be of the gifting persuasion
Oh hai!
dun dun dun
Vigging the element strong against you killed you
Yeah, that was a huge mistake on my part, and I'm sorry for that. I should have just colored in the names of the people who were dying. Hindsight is 20/20, and the game wasn't very well balanced on the mafia side of things. You guys should definitely have had another person at the minimum
I agree, five mafia would have made things a lot stronger. Also, I think there needed to be a stronger motive for the factions to go after each other. This was my first faction phalla (trying saying THAT five times fast), but it seemed like there really wasn't any downside to revealing your faction to people. Aside from maybe this:
The interesting thing about the misstep on day 1 was that it only became a major blunder when Kime vigged Bedlam. Had bedlam survived, we wouldn't have known he was prostrate and wouldn't have looked at that bandwagon nearly as hard. Having a bunch of seers helped, but knowing where to focus them also helped.
It was a good idea! It just needed a little more redundancy.
The two ideas you could look at are: 1) Allowing some of the powers (particularly the master) to go down to the trainees when the specials die. That would give the trainees something to look forward to and would make keeping your faction above a certain level very useful. 2) Having some sort of factional vote to kill a member of the opposing faction. It could work similar to the master, where using it on someone not opposed to you would cause it to fail. It also would reward fast networking, but give it a penalty as well, since you'd be exposing yourself to people who could kill you. There might be other ways, but those are two that spring to mind.
I can't really say any of the factions played well, except that I guess the plants soft networking payed off in the end. Or maybe it was just having all the vigs die by day 2.
And, for the record, I am a dude. Can we all remember that for the next game?
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A trainee beating a master?
The setup didnt quite make sense in that regard because you were asking in our win condition for us to beat the stronger element, except we couldnt vig the stronger element. The vigs died real fast with all the limits you put on them.
Also I felt it wasnt stressed enough that the real war was between the elements, people were too interested in going after the neutrals and prostrate.
I also felt 3 seers were too much. Perhaps the seers could have been limited to only tell you if the person was of your own element, except for jdarksun's seer which would be full power. So useful for networking but thats it.
The plant seer was me
I failed to seer on two days, but still managed to form a network of my team with the help of sportzboy
Pretty sure water needed to kill plant, so I don't know why he was helping so much. I didn't offer him any information after the day when two prostrates had been seered. I knew we didn't need him any longer. In fact, we plotted to get the mafia to help us play kingmaker but they never responded. They would have had a legit chance to come back if they had helped us.
Nirya doesn't sound like a dude's name. I'm onto you
For the record, I knew you were fire. I was looking for a way to get the train off of looking for prostrate, it was pretty much too late though and everyone seemed dead set on giving plant its victory. If that vote was going to go tword you I would have asked jdark to take out a plant in exchange.
Basially I just spent the entire game focused on Jdark even though I knew fire was way outnumbered because I was enraged that he wasn't dead yet.
I was half expecting you guys to start e-slapping each other before too long
This was the primary reason I was trying to knock you off.
So you would knock it off and stop giving plant the victory.
...you're awful
You do realize that makes no sense right?
Killing me gave the plants as much of a lead as killing jdark would.
Solved both goals for me if I could get you lynched. Put water over fire in pop count, yet leave enough fire+water to kill a few plants.
As well as hopefully start an open war between fire and water.
It could have been interesting. Plant has every desire to kill fire, water has every desire to kill plant. and jdark gets to play wildcard.