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NATO, Terrorism, and the CPD
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Sorry, so it seems that Chicago is hosting a big ol' NATO summit that's important to me the same way hey what was I talking about?
Anyway, the media narrative has been that CHICAGO WILL BURN because all the stinky stupid filthy retarded over-educated muslim atheist commienazi hippiefascists are going to riot like it's Angels 8. CPD has dropped 1 million on shiny new riot gear and things are already simmering.
For example; Traffic stops where 4+ officers spend some quality time loudly threatening individuals for being filthy stinking protesters and salivating at the prospect of doling out beatings.
The police response has been mostly denial and that the video was clearly edited so those statements didn't mean anything. (I haven't watched the full unedited 30 minutes because I have what the doctors call a short attention sp-Hey what's that over there?)
But what makes me bring this story up now is that apparently those same protesters have just been arrested and charged with terrorism.
I am reminded of that parable about hammers and nails, to be honest.
Anyway, I find this interesting, I figured I should bring it up.
Sorry, so it seems that Chicago is hosting a big ol' NATO summit that's important to me the same way hey what was I talking about?
Anyway, the media narrative has been that CHICAGO WILL BURN because all the stinky stupid filthy retarded over-educated muslim atheist commienazi hippiefascists are going to riot like it's Angels 8. CPD has dropped 1 million on shiny new riot gear and things are already simmering.
For example; Traffic stops where 4+ officers spend some quality time loudly threatening individuals for being filthy stinking protesters and salivating at the prospect of doling out beatings.
"See these guys know, '68, these guys know all about '68," one voice allegedly belonging to a police officer says to the protesters. "What did they say back in '68?" one officer asks. "Billy club to the f***ing skull," the voice of another man, allegedly a police officer, says. At the mention of race issues being a factor in the '68 riots, one alleged officer says "okay, now we'll beat your white ass." Before the protesters seem to be dismissed, one of the car's passengers tells police they'll see them at NATO next weekend. "We'll come look for you, each and every one of you," says one man, who is allegedly a police officer.
The police response has been mostly denial and that the video was clearly edited so those statements didn't mean anything. (I haven't watched the full unedited 30 minutes because I have what the doctors call a short attention sp-Hey what's that over there?)
But what makes me bring this story up now is that apparently those same protesters have just been arrested and charged with terrorism.
According the the NLG, the three men were surrounded by several police squad cars outside of a CVS last week, not far for the Occupy Chicago headquarters on 500 West Cermak. The group posted a video that shows police questioning their activities and possible plans for the NATO Summit...He also told the Sun-Times an officer wrote “ID 1968” on his hand, a reference to the Democratic National Convention that year that remains infamous for violent clashes between protesters and police.
Police say they had a improvised exposive or incendiary devices, a mortar, swords, a hunting bow, throwing stars, and knives with brass-knuckle handles, gas masks, extensive plans to attack multiple locations including the Mayor's office, police headquarters, the Obama Campaign headquarters, and STAG bases in Steelport as part of Black Bloc and Occupy Chicago and I'm not even sure what all else. But apparently they had no guns for all of this, so...yeah. Their lawyers say all they had a microbrewery for making homemade beer. The 3 (of 9) being charged have bail of 1.5 million each and were apparently being investigated since the begninning of the month despite having gotten to Chicago in typical hippie-caravan style.I am reminded of that parable about hammers and nails, to be honest.
Anyway, I find this interesting, I figured I should bring it up.
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I'm not quite sure what to think aside from "you guys are fucking dicks but uh... good job I guess." Am I missing something?
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There's a rolling argument on Fark as to what lies are being told and how far CPD might go to justify their million dollar militarization project.
Yeah, I'm going to call bullshit on this conspiracy plan until I see a lot more evidence. That's a bit crazy.
Unless they were just cleaning out all the old junk in their evidence lockers?
These people are nuts and tempers are high out there.
I bet the same people decrying overprep would be the first ones in line to complain about underprep if shit went down. Same kind of people who complain when the govt issues evac orders for hurricanes.
I can hate banks and think what they do is appalling while believing that a bunch of assholes smashing windows is also appalling.
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Has that actually happened? Get off the goose caboose.
No, it doesn't. It takes the problem they're attempting to highlight and puts it firmly behind the "fucking rioting assholes, breaking shit because they're assholes" problem.
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Exactly.
Did you not read the OP?
I am leery when I see charges of terrorism being used, but in a situation like this (assuming they did have plans to cause damage and were carrying/had access to weapons required to do the deed) the charge would be fitting.
Yeah, and I don't see anything about Gitmo. Plenty of American terrorists in federal prisons.
Do you have a lug wrench in your trunk? Oh, well, then, you're a terrorist!
This.
A million times.
It's equally atrocious to hear people consider something like that to be "violence". Smashing a window is not violence. It's vandalism.
Anything else is tacit approval.
"The banks suck, but we sure don't want to inconvenience them in anyway while they rob us blind".
Then how about you stop considering them "fucking rioters breaking shit because they're assholes"? It's only a problem because people place such high esteem on window panes.
You know good and well that the Bank and the State are firmly intertwined.
I'm not objecting to them being prosecuted, or arrested, or anything like that. I'm objecting to the problem that the banks can commit a terrorist attack on our economy, and our only reaction to it is to throw the fucking book at the only people doing anything about it.
I would be much happier with us as a society if everyone were out there breaking some windows.
I'm not confused. I recognize the need to have a multifaceted approach to protesting and am not interested in weakening the action of the masses by turning on someone who has the audacity to break a window.
A "regular" person who puts the financial and superficial well being of a bank above the actions of the people whose lives the bank has ruined is not a regular person. They are part of the problem.
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Overwrought rhetoric aside, you do realize that breaking windows doesn't actually deter, punish, or illegitimize banking as an industry, yes?
Not wanting people to resort to violence and vandalism does not mean someone is putting the needs of a bank over the needs of people. That's just stupid.
Only because there's not enough of it going on.
And not breaking windows has certainly had the effect of curtailing their influence on government, right?
And playing hackey sack in the street does?
Clever words on a poster board?
Drum circles?
I would say that vandalism may be more effective on the principle that at least it doesn't curb it's behavior to appease the abusive establishment.
They abuse, use, and steal. They can't think any worse of us as is.
Look, I get why this linguistic tango goes on at all, you want to shield property destruction from delegitimization by association. It's pointless. It just taints 'vandalism' too, people have personal property that they care about, and lots of it, because you live in the fucking first world.
I live in Montreal, this shit is going on here right now. Nobody cares about anything but you going away once you start destroying property. The public turns on you very quickly once you pull this shit.
There's a reason MLKjr had his people show up in a suit and tie and march peacefully.