Laptop Replacement/Suggestions Thread: Bring out yer dead laptops!

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Mercade wrote: »
    Any thoughts on the newest Dell Inspiron 15 7000? Looking for a desktop replacement-ish machine around the $800-1k price point that can do some light to medium gaming (WoW Classic, rando Steam stuff) but doesn’t look like a gaming laptop. It’s got a 1050 (meh) but I’m reading it can be bumped up to a 1650 but I can’t confirm it. Design, performance and reliability are more important than portability or battery life for me.

    A 1050 isn’t going to age very well, so it depends on what games you’re wanting to play. It’s already a couple years old and already can’t really play modern games at high with 60fps. If you want something that’ll last you want to look for a laptop with at least a 1660 Ti in it, or just forgo the idea of really gaming seriously. If you’re looking to play games that are 4-5 years old already, sure a 1050 will be fine, but for something you’re probably going to want to have for at lest 3-4 years, I’d personally want something with a little more headroom.

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  • MugsleyMugsley Registered User regular
    It's mostly a rule of thumb, but try to get the best GPU and CPU you can afford in a laptop. RAM and drives can be upgraded (for the most part).

    Same for display quality, but that tends to be subjective (for example I don't use a laptop much so I'm willing to sacrifice display for better CPU/GPU to extend the life of the laptop. Yes that's counterintuitive for the most part.)

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  • CauldCauld Registered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    It's mostly a rule of thumb, but try to get the best GPU and CPU you can afford in a laptop. RAM and drives can be upgraded (for the most part).

    Same for display quality, but that tends to be subjective (for example I don't use a laptop much so I'm willing to sacrifice display for better CPU/GPU to extend the life of the laptop. Yes that's counterintuitive for the most part.)

    Agree with this, but also make sure the RAM isn't soldered in.

    Jazz
  • JazzJazz Fuck cancer. Un-UKRegistered User regular
    edited June 11
    Cauld wrote: »
    Mugsley wrote: »
    It's mostly a rule of thumb, but try to get the best GPU and CPU you can afford in a laptop. RAM and drives can be upgraded (for the most part).

    Same for display quality, but that tends to be subjective (for example I don't use a laptop much so I'm willing to sacrifice display for better CPU/GPU to extend the life of the laptop. Yes that's counterintuitive for the most part.)

    Agree with this, but also make sure the RAM isn't soldered in.

    Sometimes RAM is soldered in, sometimes the drive (read: SSD) is glued or soldered in. I doubt HDDs are secured that way but they're getting rare in laptops.

    My rule of thumb (before checking) is that the thinner a laptop is, the more likely that everything is soldered/glued in. A slightly chunkier machine is more likely to have user-replaceable RAM & drive(s).

    Laptops designed with gaming as a priority should generally fall on the more upgradeable end, though. It's a selling point for the customer, and the machine is already likely to be slightly thicker (even in the MaxQ age they're not competing all that much with thin & lights) to accommodate the cooling.

    But always check.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    I’ve seen/read the odd thin and light gaming laptop where maybe half the ram is soldered in and there is SODIMM slot, and I’ve seen plenty of examples where the ram is on the back side of the motherboard so you have to take the whole thing apart to get at them, but I don’t know if I’ve ever heard of a proper “gaming” laptop that has the RAM and SSD soldered on.

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  • JazzJazz Fuck cancer. Un-UKRegistered User regular
    My 2011-era Alienware laptop had RAM slots on both sides of the motherboard (two each side). One set you could get at easily by just taking the bottom panel off as normal, the other required you to take out the keyboard to get at it. Which wasn't massively complicated, it turned out, and I managed to get RAM in there in an hour or so and I was going very, very slowly and carefully.

  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    My wife is looking for a new laptop as she returns to school. We went to a local shop and looked around. The Asus Vivobook S15 caught her eye. What's the verdict on this one? She was also looking at the Zenbook 14. Budget is approx. 1200CAD.

  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    My wife is looking for a new laptop as she returns to school. We went to a local shop and looked around. The Asus Vivobook S15 caught her eye. What's the verdict on this one? She was also looking at the Zenbook 14. Budget is approx. 1200CAD.

    What is the use case? Just productivity type work? what are you looking for in terms of portability/weight? I like the new HP Envy x360 series. Not quite as high end as the Spectre line, but gets you most of the features for a good price. Best Buy Canada has the 13” model with a Ryzen 4500U, 8GB, 256GB, for $1050 right now.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    My wife is looking for a new laptop as she returns to school. We went to a local shop and looked around. The Asus Vivobook S15 caught her eye. What's the verdict on this one? She was also looking at the Zenbook 14. Budget is approx. 1200CAD.

    What is the use case? Just productivity type work? what are you looking for in terms of portability/weight? I like the new HP Envy x360 series. Not quite as high end as the Spectre line, but gets you most of the features for a good price. Best Buy Canada has the 13” model with a Ryzen 4500U, 8GB, 256GB, for $1050 right now.

    Primarily productivity work. Portability is high on her list of requirements.

    I will take a look at the HP you have mentioned.

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  • BloodycowBloodycow Registered User regular
    edited July 1
    I'm using the HP Spectre x360. I got the i7-1065G with 16GB RAM and 1TB ssd.

    It's pretty snappy. I can't do any gaming on it but very light stuff unlike I can with my Razer Stealth with the 1060 in it.

    The ability to use it as a tablet and draw up electrical circuits and take notes far outweighs the gaming stuff.
    I never realized how awesome it is to have a touch screen. Then be able to use a pen to take notes/draw. Makes engineering courses much better as the time taking notes is cut down significantly.

    Also, it can run CAD programs like Fusion 360, it does chug at moments when rendering or when moving around an object quickly, but it's still quite usable.

    Just wish Fusion was easier to use a pen with. The functionality just isn't there yet.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    @BlazeFire Hey, that laptop I linked to is actually on sale for $900 at best buy right now. That is a helluva deal.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    edited July 4
    wunderbar wrote: »
    @BlazeFire Hey, that laptop I linked to is actually on sale for $900 at best buy right now. That is a helluva deal.

    I have been looking at it a bit. I partially wrote it off because of the 360/convertible screen. I had one a while ago and wasn't crazy about them. Have they gotten better?

    (Thanks for the heads up on the sale, btw. I think we might go down to best buy to see one in person)

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    @BlazeFire Hey, that laptop I linked to is actually on sale for $900 at best buy right now. That is a helluva deal.

    I have been looking at it a bit. I partially wrote it off because of the 360/convertible screen. I had one a while ago and wasn't crazy about them. Have they gotten better?

    (Thanks for the heads up on the sale, btw. I think we might go down to best buy to see one in person)

    I just wonder what you don’t like about them? You literally never have to flip the screen around if you don’t want to. It shouldn’t take anything away from the functionality of the laptop in normal use.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited July 4
    Yeah, that was my thought, the hinge could be slightly worse for overall durability (I'm speculating), and the downside then would only be price if anything, and it looks like price may not be the issue there. I didn't choose it in part due to some nebulous concerns about HP as a manufacturer, but I think spectres are very well reviewed.

    Edit: I'm finding that I haven't used my 2 in 1 hinge as much as I thought, but it's been appreciated when I did, and I use the touchscreen all the time, since it can be more comfortable to switch up house I use my hands.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    edited July 4
    wunderbar wrote: »
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    BlazeFire Hey, that laptop I linked to is actually on sale for $900 at best buy right now. That is a helluva deal.

    I have been looking at it a bit. I partially wrote it off because of the 360/convertible screen. I had one a while ago and wasn't crazy about them. Have they gotten better?

    (Thanks for the heads up on the sale, btw. I think we might go down to best buy to see one in person)

    I just wonder what you don’t like about them? You literally never have to flip the screen around if you don’t want to. It shouldn’t take anything away from the functionality of the laptop in normal use.

    From my prior experience, the hinge was pretty loose even when it laptop mode. This was a few years ago though so I'm trying to keep an open mind until we get to Best Buy to check it out.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    The non-x360 is on Amazon for 999.99 today. Think I will order that and make a decision on Monday.

  • BloodycowBloodycow Registered User regular
    edited July 8
    The hinge on my x360 is not loose at all. If I go to rotate the screen without holding down the bottom of the laptop it will just raise the bottom without moving the hinge one bit.

    Once the base is about 45 degrees then the hinge will allow the screen to start transitioning.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    edited July 8
    We went and checked something similar out at best buy. I had the wrong idea about how the hinge worked based on my tablet experience long ago. I can see these are much better. So we're down to comparison between 2 HPs.


    https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/hp-envy-x360-13-3-touchscreen-2-in-1-laptop-nightfall-black-amd-ryzen-5-4500u-256gb-ssd-8gb-ram-windows-10/14538550

    https://www.amazon.ca/HP-13-AQ1001CA-Laptop-i5-1035G1-7YZ81UA/dp/B0899J7B28/ref=gbps_img_s-4_512c_bebca7b9?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_p=1977e9ab-0025-4776-b342-9f06b5be512c&pf_rd_s=slot-4&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_i=gb_main&pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_r=DPBPZ68TSWG448FJQHSS



    899$ vs 999$
    Tablet vs standard
    Ryzen 5 4500U vs i5-1035G1 (Ryzen is superior here, I think?)
    256GB NVME SSD vs 512GB SSD (I think the edge goes to the smaller, NVME drive?)


    Does anyone have thoughts to add? The rest of the specs seem pretty standard to me.



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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    the SSD in the non convertible laptop is probably nVME, but honestly even if it was a SATA SSD in day to day use for productivity you likely won't notice any difference.

    The Ryzen 4500U and 1035G1 CPU's are probably about the same in day to day as well, but the Ryzen will have a way better GPU, not "play AAA titles on a laptop" better, but a little extra oomph that could be a benefit down the line.

    It looks like the non convertible doesn't have a touchscreen. So there's that.

    Personally, if it were me, I'd get the x360 model. It's cheaper, 256GB of storage is fine in most use cases, and you have the option of a touchscreen. I didn't really think I'd use touch on my XPS 13 when I bought it, and I actually use it all the time. I personally think it's better to have the option, even if you don't use it, then not have it at all. But not everyone agrees, and that's cool too.

    Basically unless you have to have the extra storage, the x360 is probably a better overall buy at $900.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    My wife decided to stick with the x360.

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  • LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    Ryzen is the way to go for laptops right now simply for battery life reasons.

  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    LD50 wrote: »
    Ryzen is the way to go for laptops right now simply for battery life reasons.

    Sort of? The Ryzen H series laptop parts are destroying the Intel H series laptop parts on productivity/battery life workflows, but the U series parts seem to be about equivalent to similar intel based U series laptops.

    The Ryzen U series laptops are finally at parity and competitive with the Intel U series parts for the first time basically ever, and that’s what’s compelling.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    You at least get extra cores at the same pricepoints. Ryzen 5 4500U vs the i5-whatever in the $600 range is kind of a no-brainer.

  • CaedwyrCaedwyr Registered User regular
    Some of the reviews I've seen of the Ryzen 5 4500U has put the performance closer to the i7 u processors at a much lower price point and more power efficient as well.

    V1ma5ehren
  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    edited July 24
    How's the HP Pavilion line of laptops, generally speaking?

    The Envy and Spectre lines seem like pretty good machines.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    How's the HP Pavilion line of laptops, generally speaking?

    The Envy and Spectre lines seem like pretty good machines.

    The Pavilion brand is their "low end" branding. Basically their cheapest laptops are branded Pavilion, mid range is Envy, and high end is spectre.

    the Pavilions will be thicker, heavier, lower build quality, have lower quality displays, and probably won't have as big of batteries as the others.

    That doesn't mean they'll be bad machines, and honestly if the primary purpose is mostly to sit on a desk or just moving from desk to couch and the primary use is internet and word processing, they can be a very good choice. It just really depends on what you want to do with the machine, and the priorities you have.

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Basically looking to pick up laptops for my kids for distance learning (and want them to be juuuuuust beefy enough to last a couple-to-five-years). So, sub-1k-prices are nigh-necessary; touch screens are good to have; massive gaming power or great portability is not required.

    Mostly just curious if the Pavilion line had a reputation for bad reliability.

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  • DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    We just got a MSI Prestige 15 A10SC for the missus (it just arrived today) and it's just a pretty piece of laptop. Mostly for work and some light gaming, and if I wasn't into hardcore PC gaming it's the kind of machine I'd like.

    Still not liking the whole "factory seal" for anything that's not the secondary M2, but I don't plan on upgrading it in the next year anyways.

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  • MugsleyMugsley Registered User regular
    Looks like you can upgrade the RAM but I didn't dig too hard

  • DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    Looks like you can upgrade the RAM but I didn't dig too hard

    No, it's only the secondary M2 slot that's available. I don't particularly mind, because it's a 16GB machine that won't need extra RAM in the near (under 12 months) future. If anything, it will need the secondary M2 much sooner than that to expand the original 512GB.

    But still, it's a bit weird that those things are under a factory seal sticker. Otherwise the machine is pretty awesome, and the battery life is crazy long.

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  • MugsleyMugsley Registered User regular
    The battery on my Y50-70 is officially dead. I still don't need a replacement laptop, so I'm probably just going to drop the $52 on a new battery on Amazon. It's still the original battery from.....<checks watch> 2014

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