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This just debuted last night. Stars the titular character Walt Longmire as a Wyoming sherriff who's dealing with the death of his wife and getting old. Its a little old west style kind of borrowing from Justified in that regard (Longmire wears a hat and cowboy boots and brings an old lever action rifle with him to work) but one thing that stood out in the pilot is just how nice Wyoming looked (or wherever was standing in for Wyoming) lot of long shots of the wilderness and vistas.
I don't recall Robert Taylor in anything specific, but he did a good job in the pilot as a gruff voiced guy who's wondering if he's losing a grip on things. Also the quirk of being very anti littering definately seems like something a sherriff in a backwoods county would be about. You also have a supporting cast of Katee Sackhoff as one of his newer former big city deputies (of course there has to be one) and Lou Diamond Phillips as his longtime native american friend.
They introduced a lot of threads in the pilot and I'm wondering how they'll pay off, did anyone else check this out?
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DVRd it. From what I read, it was shot in New Mexico, but from what I've seen in the commercials looks to be a good stand-in for Wyoming. I'm interested because it's not being shot in the hills outside of Hollywood, and I liked how I saw that the Sheriff carries a .45.
as a resident of Wyoming, I would like to say that from that trailer, New Mexico is not a good stand in for Wyo. You call those fucking mountains!? The fuck, New Mexico! (nah, I've been there and some of the desert-y/basin parts of the states are fairly similar. Just not the mountains)
I'll probably watch a few episodes just to see how my home state is portrayed in something that isn't set in the 19th century.
as a resident of Wyoming, I would like to say that from that trailer, New Mexico is not a good stand in for Wyo. You call those fucking mountains!? The fuck, New Mexico! (nah, I've been there and some of the desert-y/basin parts of the states are fairly similar. Just not the mountains)
I'll probably watch a few episodes just to see how my home state is portrayed in something that isn't set in the 19th century.
I won't argue with a resident, but from the parts I've seen (about 2/3s of the state), most of it wasn't even mountains. Flat, with some rolling hills, occasionally broken up by a small cluster of short peaks. The big mountains seemed to be relegated to just a few parts of the state.
It's a much better representation than my state (Kansas) got in Jericho. Given production limitations of actually shooting in Wyoming (no significant entertainment industry, no major metro area), I think it's about as good as you'll get. And at least your state isn't being represented by the hills outside of Los Angeles, which I think would give most people in your state conniptions.
as a resident of Wyoming, I would like to say that from that trailer, New Mexico is not a good stand in for Wyo. You call those fucking mountains!? The fuck, New Mexico! (nah, I've been there and some of the desert-y/basin parts of the states are fairly similar. Just not the mountains)
I'll probably watch a few episodes just to see how my home state is portrayed in something that isn't set in the 19th century.
I won't argue with a resident, but from the parts I've seen (about 2/3s of the state), most of it wasn't even mountains. Flat, with some rolling hills, occasionally broken up by a small cluster of short peaks. The big mountains seemed to be relegated to just a few parts of the state.
It's a much better representation than my state (Kansas) got in Jericho. Given production limitations of actually shooting in Wyoming (no significant entertainment industry, no major metro area), I think it's about as good as you'll get. And at least your state isn't being represented by the hills outside of Los Angeles, which I think would give most people in your state conniptions.
Except they could have shot in Montana, which looks a lot more like Wyoming, and does have a film industry.
as a resident of Wyoming, I would like to say that from that trailer, New Mexico is not a good stand in for Wyo. You call those fucking mountains!? The fuck, New Mexico! (nah, I've been there and some of the desert-y/basin parts of the states are fairly similar. Just not the mountains)
I'll probably watch a few episodes just to see how my home state is portrayed in something that isn't set in the 19th century.
I won't argue with a resident, but from the parts I've seen (about 2/3s of the state), most of it wasn't even mountains. Flat, with some rolling hills, occasionally broken up by a small cluster of short peaks. The big mountains seemed to be relegated to just a few parts of the state.
It's a much better representation than my state (Kansas) got in Jericho. Given production limitations of actually shooting in Wyoming (no significant entertainment industry, no major metro area), I think it's about as good as you'll get. And at least your state isn't being represented by the hills outside of Los Angeles, which I think would give most people in your state conniptions.
Except they could have shot in Montana, which looks a lot more like Wyoming, and does have a film industry.
But then they'd have been shooting in Montana... Could be weather related, doesn't New Mexico have more of a dryer climate than Montana?
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
as a resident of Wyoming, I would like to say that from that trailer, New Mexico is not a good stand in for Wyo. You call those fucking mountains!? The fuck, New Mexico! (nah, I've been there and some of the desert-y/basin parts of the states are fairly similar. Just not the mountains)
I'll probably watch a few episodes just to see how my home state is portrayed in something that isn't set in the 19th century.
I won't argue with a resident, but from the parts I've seen (about 2/3s of the state), most of it wasn't even mountains. Flat, with some rolling hills, occasionally broken up by a small cluster of short peaks. The big mountains seemed to be relegated to just a few parts of the state.
It's a much better representation than my state (Kansas) got in Jericho. Given production limitations of actually shooting in Wyoming (no significant entertainment industry, no major metro area), I think it's about as good as you'll get. And at least your state isn't being represented by the hills outside of Los Angeles, which I think would give most people in your state conniptions.
Except they could have shot in Montana, which looks a lot more like Wyoming, and does have a film industry.
But then they'd have been shooting in Montana... Could be weather related, doesn't New Mexico have more of a dryer climate than Montana?
as a resident of Wyoming, I would like to say that from that trailer, New Mexico is not a good stand in for Wyo. You call those fucking mountains!? The fuck, New Mexico! (nah, I've been there and some of the desert-y/basin parts of the states are fairly similar. Just not the mountains)
I'll probably watch a few episodes just to see how my home state is portrayed in something that isn't set in the 19th century.
I won't argue with a resident, but from the parts I've seen (about 2/3s of the state), most of it wasn't even mountains. Flat, with some rolling hills, occasionally broken up by a small cluster of short peaks. The big mountains seemed to be relegated to just a few parts of the state.
It's a much better representation than my state (Kansas) got in Jericho. Given production limitations of actually shooting in Wyoming (no significant entertainment industry, no major metro area), I think it's about as good as you'll get. And at least your state isn't being represented by the hills outside of Los Angeles, which I think would give most people in your state conniptions.
Except they could have shot in Montana, which looks a lot more like Wyoming, and does have a film industry.
But then they'd have been shooting in Montana... Could be weather related, doesn't New Mexico have more of a dryer climate than Montana?
Current Montana weather: Bipolar.
So you're saying that it'll give you a bj one moment and than shank your dick the next?
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Several of the mountain states are like that; once you get sufficiently far from the nearest large body of water the weather becomes very unpredictable. The unstable weather in Montana might be a good match for Wyoming, but I imagine it would make filming difficult.
In general, I enjoyed the episode, and added it to my recording schedule. I like that Katee Sackhoff appears to be an actual actor capable of portraying characters that are not Starbuck (I've been disappointed by Stephen Moyer's non-Bill Compton performances). I really like that I didn't catch them at commenting on anything, Sherlock Holmes style, that wasn't already there, even when watching it the second time with my husband.
I am very wary of their portrayal of native americans. They're already doing a fair job of giving the nod to the inaccuracies of stereotypes, and lampooning them deliberately from time to time, but whether they stay honest to the culture and its problems is going to be a challenge.
Of course, it's a fictional western police procedural set in Wyoming and filmed in New Mexico, so maybe whether they get the occasional tribal interaction right is a harsh standard to measure by.
I did like how even in the first episode Walt fucked up and had to apologize (sort of), so while he's smart, he's not omniscient. And clearly dealing with a lot of issues.
I was also a fan of Ranier Beer shout outs. Northwest brews represent!
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
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I wanted to like this more than I ended up doing.
Sackoff is always a welcome addition to anything, and the scenery is lovely, but I was hoping the pilot wasn't going draw the show as much as a procedural as it seemed. It wasn't as hoary as, say, Law & Order, but for a pilot it spent a lot of time dealing with the policework and not a huge amount of time with the interpersonal dynamics between the regular cast.
Humor and moral compasses are the key to any show's longevity, and this show seems a little short on both, while long on forlorn loners and grim self-reflection. To make an analogy, it's a lot like if Walter White from Breaking Bad wasn't constantly being counterbalanced by Jesse Pinkman's energy.
Here, Sackoff is the energetic and relatable one, but right now the show really only wants to focus on the personal problems of Sheriff Walt Longmire, which are as given as being very insular and mopey.
Mopey don't work. Mopey breaks everything. Mopey is the enemy of everything that is dear and good and right.
And I didn't find Longmire mopey, he was just sullen and wasn't big on explaining things. Like when he hurt his hand in the wreck and he when people asked what happened he said "he hurt it." No other explination provided or necessary.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I (and I expect many other Wyoming residents) can just be a little defensive about the scenery and landscapes, since its one of the biggest claims to fame of the state. Well, okay maybe the only one. Other than being the least populated state in the union. (actually there is lots of awesome shit here, just nothing involving contemporary culture, cities, cuisine -unless you like steak-, etc, etc)
I won't argue with a resident, but from the parts I've seen (about 2/3s of the state), most of it wasn't even mountains. Flat, with some rolling hills, occasionally broken up by a small cluster of short peaks. The big mountains seemed to be relegated to just a few parts of the state.
yeah admittedly I'm biased because I live in the NW part of the state, which is by far the most mountainous. I just love hiking around in them; there's not many places in the US where you can go from a basin/desert environment to subalpine/alpine in an hour or two.
I really dug the pilot, but the second episode kind of disappointed me.
His daughter is sleeping with the rival deputy running for sheriff, who is just not a compelling character to begin with.
Beyond that, the crime this week was sort of clumsy and didn't really fit together at all at the end. It felt like they were trying to just keep it twisting over and over, and they just took it too far to the point where it no longer made sense.
The brother killed her by.... tagging her on the back too hard? Wha...what? And how did they even know he'd be at the red pony?
Its like a one horse town and the brother was feeling guilty, the pony seems like one of the only bars. I liked the ep, even if the daughter reveal was pretty obvious (and I believe spoiled in preview). The tone of the show is definately nuevo western, longmire is a man of few words, but he isn't perfect (like forgetting his jacket at the strip club). The lead is compelling so far, with a bit of mystery with his scars. I'm figuring his former wife was an abuser and her death was not of natural causes.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I have been watching this. I like it. It is not as good as Justified. But it satisfies an itch. Very Jesse Stone like.
I've also been watching and enjoying this, it's not just a clone of Justified. Walt is derived from the same archtype, but that's not the same thing as being the same character-he isn't. Sackoff is great, and surprisingly so is Phillips.
Robert Taylor is pretty great. He turns the character into something between an old western sheriff and sherlock holmes. I do really like Lou Diamond Philips character too an in general feel they handle the dynamics of the Indian Reservation with a level of realism and subtly thats pretty unusual for tv
I have been watching this. I like it. It is not as good as Justified. But it satisfies an itch. Very Jesse Stone like.
I've also been watching and enjoying this, it's not just a clone of Justified. Walt is derived from the same archtype, but that's not the same thing as being the same character-he isn't. Sackoff is great, and surprisingly so is Phillips.
I would say that it pulls more heavily from Jesse Stone than from Justified. Laconic Chief with a drinking problem and who is emotionally wrecked because of his ex-wife. Ambitious underling who wants his job. Problems with job politics.
But as you stated, it pulls from an archetype. There is some cowboy in there, but I think that archetype is closer to Jesse Stone than Raylan Givens. Of course I think the archetype actually owes its existence to Raymond Chandler rather than Robert B Parker (don't be me wrong, I loved me some Robert B Parker, but you can trace the archetypes he used back much farther, at least that's what my gut tells me).
Archtypes are much broader than an individual author. Jesse Stone, Raylan Givens, and Walt Longmire all derive from the same venerable archtype: the western lawman
The lawman has cowboy elements, but he's not the cowboy archtype, because while the cowboy is a solitary figure, the lawman is necessarily associated with communities. He isn't an outsider. Even Raylan, as crazy, anti-social, and not-wanting-to-be-there as he is, is intimately known to the community and they to him.
Good episode this time. Love that first tapped phone call.
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I seriously just read one of these books yesterday. (I don't live in the US and just picked up a random book from my dad's house to read on the train, I believe he bought it at some airport, probably Philadelphia)
Yes, it's really good. I had never heard of the books, but as well as the characters on the show are developed, I gather the guy must be one hell of a novelist.
It is a beautiful day at the Red Pony saloon and continual soirée.
Good episode this time. I mean I can't really say that there has been a stinker this season, but this one was good. The subplot with Vic is really coming together well.
Also Robert Taylor really delivers threatening lines well.
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I'll probably watch a few episodes just to see how my home state is portrayed in something that isn't set in the 19th century.
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I won't argue with a resident, but from the parts I've seen (about 2/3s of the state), most of it wasn't even mountains. Flat, with some rolling hills, occasionally broken up by a small cluster of short peaks. The big mountains seemed to be relegated to just a few parts of the state.
It's a much better representation than my state (Kansas) got in Jericho. Given production limitations of actually shooting in Wyoming (no significant entertainment industry, no major metro area), I think it's about as good as you'll get. And at least your state isn't being represented by the hills outside of Los Angeles, which I think would give most people in your state conniptions.
Except they could have shot in Montana, which looks a lot more like Wyoming, and does have a film industry.
But then they'd have been shooting in Montana... Could be weather related, doesn't New Mexico have more of a dryer climate than Montana?
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Current Montana weather: Bipolar.
So you're saying that it'll give you a bj one moment and than shank your dick the next?
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I am very wary of their portrayal of native americans. They're already doing a fair job of giving the nod to the inaccuracies of stereotypes, and lampooning them deliberately from time to time, but whether they stay honest to the culture and its problems is going to be a challenge.
Of course, it's a fictional western police procedural set in Wyoming and filmed in New Mexico, so maybe whether they get the occasional tribal interaction right is a harsh standard to measure by.
I was also a fan of Ranier Beer shout outs. Northwest brews represent!
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Sackoff is always a welcome addition to anything, and the scenery is lovely, but I was hoping the pilot wasn't going draw the show as much as a procedural as it seemed. It wasn't as hoary as, say, Law & Order, but for a pilot it spent a lot of time dealing with the policework and not a huge amount of time with the interpersonal dynamics between the regular cast.
Humor and moral compasses are the key to any show's longevity, and this show seems a little short on both, while long on forlorn loners and grim self-reflection. To make an analogy, it's a lot like if Walter White from Breaking Bad wasn't constantly being counterbalanced by Jesse Pinkman's energy.
Here, Sackoff is the energetic and relatable one, but right now the show really only wants to focus on the personal problems of Sheriff Walt Longmire, which are as given as being very insular and mopey.
Mopey don't work. Mopey breaks everything. Mopey is the enemy of everything that is dear and good and right.
Good news from the ratings.
And I didn't find Longmire mopey, he was just sullen and wasn't big on explaining things. Like when he hurt his hand in the wreck and he when people asked what happened he said "he hurt it." No other explination provided or necessary.
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I don't think a lot of people watched the premier yet and so they are going off the title.
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I (and I expect many other Wyoming residents) can just be a little defensive about the scenery and landscapes, since its one of the biggest claims to fame of the state. Well, okay maybe the only one. Other than being the least populated state in the union. (actually there is lots of awesome shit here, just nothing involving contemporary culture, cities, cuisine -unless you like steak-, etc, etc)
yeah admittedly I'm biased because I live in the NW part of the state, which is by far the most mountainous. I just love hiking around in them; there's not many places in the US where you can go from a basin/desert environment to subalpine/alpine in an hour or two.
pffft, boring. You must be of them city boys. We don't take too kindly to your'n type round here :spit:
you would appear to be right so far though
been too busy to actually catch the show yet, but it does appear to be on again tonight so I'll plan to watch
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Beyond that, the crime this week was sort of clumsy and didn't really fit together at all at the end. It felt like they were trying to just keep it twisting over and over, and they just took it too far to the point where it no longer made sense.
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I host a podcast about movies.
Full of meth and shitty criminals? I'd buy into that.
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Dude, I literally worked with Dewey Crow for an entire summer
I host a podcast about movies.
Oh can you tell him that you can still take a piss even if you don't have your kidneys...
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I've also been watching and enjoying this, it's not just a clone of Justified. Walt is derived from the same archtype, but that's not the same thing as being the same character-he isn't. Sackoff is great, and surprisingly so is Phillips.
I would say that it pulls more heavily from Jesse Stone than from Justified. Laconic Chief with a drinking problem and who is emotionally wrecked because of his ex-wife. Ambitious underling who wants his job. Problems with job politics.
But as you stated, it pulls from an archetype. There is some cowboy in there, but I think that archetype is closer to Jesse Stone than Raylan Givens. Of course I think the archetype actually owes its existence to Raymond Chandler rather than Robert B Parker (don't be me wrong, I loved me some Robert B Parker, but you can trace the archetypes he used back much farther, at least that's what my gut tells me).
The lawman has cowboy elements, but he's not the cowboy archtype, because while the cowboy is a solitary figure, the lawman is necessarily associated with communities. He isn't an outsider. Even Raylan, as crazy, anti-social, and not-wanting-to-be-there as he is, is intimately known to the community and they to him.
I enjoyed it. This show any good?
It is a beautiful day at the Red Pony saloon and continual soirée.
Also Robert Taylor really delivers threatening lines well.