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Teach me about car oil!

garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
edited June 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
I know next to nothing about car maintenance.

A few months ago I bought a used car (Subaru Legacy), and last night I checked the oil and found it to be kinda low. My understanding is that if I want to fill it up, I should use the same kind of oil that is already in there.

Since I don't know what kind of oil the previous owner put in, should I be taking the car in for an oil change?

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  • Forbe!Forbe! Registered User regular
    When was the last time the vehicle's oil was changed? Or, how many miles have you put on since you purchased it?

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    Yes. Take it for an oil change.

    Not only do you not know what kind of oil is in there, you have no idea when he changed it last. What year is the car?

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    And when you say "Kind of low" how low are we talking? Still in the hatched area on the dipstick?

  • garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    Forbe! wrote: »
    When was the last time the vehicle's oil was changed? Or, how many miles have you put on since you purchased it?
    I don't know. That information is probably in the vehicle somewhere but I don't have time to go digging through the documentation right now (particularly since it's in Japanese and it would take me a while to figure it out). About 7000km have been put on it since purchase.
    Figgy wrote: »
    Yes. Take it for an oil change.

    Not only do you not know what kind of oil is in there, you have no idea when he changed it last. What year is the car?
    It's a 1995.
    see317 wrote: »
    And when you say "Kind of low" how low are we talking? Still in the hatched area on the dipstick?
    Actually, I think it was lower than that. Like, dangerously low. But I got the impulse to check it yesterday at night, so visibility was bad I couldn't really get a clear look. For what it's worth, the "oil" light on the dashboard never turned on.

    Inquiring into places to get my oil changed now...

    Thanks all!

  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    You should definitely have had the oil changed long ago. It's an old car. Every 5000KM at the most.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    Figgy wrote: »
    You should definitely have had the oil changed long ago. It's an old car. Every 5000KM at the most.

    Actually no, the 3000mi/5000km thing is unnecessary given modern oil technology

    You're good for at least 5000mi/8000km, and depending on the age/make of your car and what type of oil it's running you could be looking at an interval of 8000-10000mi/13000-16000km

    Check your owner's manual (I drive an '09 Impreza and I think it's 7500mi between oil/filter changes)

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    For what it's worth, the "oil" light on the dashboard never turned on.

    This is a light you never want to turn on. Ever. If it does, pull over and turn the car off as soon as it's safe unless you hate your engine and want a new one.

    I would change the oil ASAP. 7000km is around 4400 miles which is still below what most cars really need, but you have no idea when the previous owner changed the oil last (and as you mentioned, the type of oil in the engine already). Also, if the oil is low, I'd check it every couple weeks or so just to make sure there's no leaking going on.

  • illigillig Registered User regular
    Also, make sure youre checking the oil per the instructions in the manual. Some manufacturers say check warm, some cold, etc.

  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Also check the oil after the shop services it. Many times they don't fill it up properly. They fill it until it hits the full line on the dip stick then tell you it's ready. When in reality after you drive home and the oil has worked its way through the engine and you check the dip stick, guess what? Low oil.

  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    Figgy wrote: »
    You should definitely have had the oil changed long ago. It's an old car. Every 5000KM at the most.

    Actually no, the 3000mi/5000km thing is unnecessary given modern oil technology

    You're good for at least 5000mi/8000km, and depending on the age/make of your car and what type of oil it's running you could be looking at an interval of 8000-10000mi/13000-16000km

    Check your owner's manual (I drive an '09 Impreza and I think it's 7500mi between oil/filter changes)

    It's a 17-year-old car. And up to 16,000 km? Christ.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    A lot of newer cars recommend 10k miles, so yea, 16k km.

  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    Again. 17-year-old car.

    And if you're using conventional oil and waiting that long, I don't know what to tell you. You're scrimping on a $25 oil change or what?

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    For a '95 5000km may very well be the proper interval as in my experience very long interval oil changes are largely a feature of cars post 2000.

    I'd change change it as soon as I could and replace the filter since like others have said, you've no idea how old that oil is.

    It's best to look up in the operators manual what the proper oil is; Subaru.com only has manuals back to 2000, but you might ask a forum like NASIOC. Most likely it will be a range (e.g. 5w-30 to 5w-40 or 10w-30 to 10w-40 API certified, there are other certifying bodies but I cannot recall them offhand). A link regarding what the numbers and letters mean.

    If it's forced induction (tubocharged) I'd change it yesterday. If you decide to change it yourself make sure to dispose of it properly; don't just dump it, used motor oil is bad stuff. Most places that sell oil will dispose of it for you (PEP Boys, Autozone, O-reilly, Walmart with a service bay).

  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    Oil filter should be changed every time you change the oil.

    Depending on where you are and the season you'll either need 5w30 (cooler climates) or 10w30(warmer climates) oil

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Figgy wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    Figgy wrote: »
    You should definitely have had the oil changed long ago. It's an old car. Every 5000KM at the most.

    Actually no, the 3000mi/5000km thing is unnecessary given modern oil technology

    You're good for at least 5000mi/8000km, and depending on the age/make of your car and what type of oil it's running you could be looking at an interval of 8000-10000mi/13000-16000km

    Check your owner's manual (I drive an '09 Impreza and I think it's 7500mi between oil/filter changes)

    It's a 17-year-old car. And up to 16,000 km? Christ.

    See the bolded part of Usagis post.

    A 17 year old car is not a 37 year old car. I think you'll find the factory standard oil change period on that car is 10,000 kilometres.

    Newer cars it's generally longer. I know our 2008 Golf has an interval of 15,000 kms. We only do 7500 kms/year, though, so it gets changed annually. Which would be a waste of money, to be honest, but it is changed as part of the annual service, so whatever.

  • garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    Thanks all. The oil has been changed! The guys at the shop told me that the filter was fine and I should just get it replaced after the next 5000km.

  • BlindZenDriverBlindZenDriver Registered User regular
    Thanks all. The oil has been changed! The guys at the shop told me that the filter was fine and I should just get it replaced after the next 5000km.

    Good. Now you need to do a few things just to be safe (Note this is general used car advice and not specifically for your car).

    A. You don't know if your car has just recently started to use oil so monitor the situation for a while just to be safe. Check the level now and do it often for a while, if nothing much is going on then you can do it less frequent.

    B. Next time you have the car service have the timing belt replaced unless you know it has been done recently. If the timing belt goes then best case you're stranded or worse you're engine will need major work or even worse the sudden loss of engine function lands you in an accident.

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  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    More generally, keep in mind there are two different types of oil, Regular and Synthetic. Synthetic is more expensive and for a car this old I probably would not think its worth it. But the thing to remember is not to mix the two. when you get an oil change make sure you know what they put in your car and it would be a good idea to buy an extra quart of it to keep in your trunk in case your light comes on you can pour it in yourself on the road as needed until you can get to a station to see why its leaking/burning.

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  • JuliusJulius Captain of Serenity on my shipRegistered User regular
    Figgy wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    Figgy wrote: »
    You should definitely have had the oil changed long ago. It's an old car. Every 5000KM at the most.

    Actually no, the 3000mi/5000km thing is unnecessary given modern oil technology

    You're good for at least 5000mi/8000km, and depending on the age/make of your car and what type of oil it's running you could be looking at an interval of 8000-10000mi/13000-16000km

    Check your owner's manual (I drive an '09 Impreza and I think it's 7500mi between oil/filter changes)

    It's a 17-year-old car. And up to 16,000 km? Christ.

    You can probably go even longer. Chancing oil after as little as 5000km is fine if you like wasting money.

    (the age of the car is not much of a factor, it's the oils that changed)

  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    More generally, keep in mind there are two different types of oil, Regular and Synthetic. Synthetic is more expensive and for a car this old I probably would not think its worth it. But the thing to remember is not to mix the two. when you get an oil change make sure you know what they put in your car and it would be a good idea to buy an extra quart of it to keep in your trunk in case your light comes on you can pour it in yourself on the road as needed until you can get to a station to see why its leaking/burning.

    That light should never ever go on. You should be checking your oil level every time you fuel the car, and when I say you I mean you, not the gas station attendant, who may or may not do it properly, and also won't know what it was last time it was checked.

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    I agree, but if you suddenly start leaking oil and need to make it a few more miles to the next exit it could save you.

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Thanks all. The oil has been changed! The guys at the shop told me that the filter was fine and I should just get it replaced after the next 5000km.

    Take your car to a different shop next time. The filter should be changed every time the oil is. The element inside the filter is just a long length of some special fibrous paper all folded up dozens and dozens of times radially around the filter housing. The oil is pumped into the middle of the filter and has to pass through the filter element to get back out, leaving any muck behind on the surface of the element. This builds up over time, eventually clogging the filter, at which point a spring-loaded bypass flap opens inside the filter allowing the oil to circulate around the filter element so that the engine does not get starved of oil.

    The oil that came out of the car may have looked fairly clean, which is probably why the shop said not to bother changing the filter. Thing is, the filter could be multiple changes old, and just bypassing all the time.

    Always change your filter when you change your oil. Always. It's a few bucks.

  • Colt45Colt45 Registered User regular
    Thanks all. The oil has been changed! The guys at the shop told me that the filter was fine and I should just get it replaced after the next 5000km.

    Take your car to a different shop next time. The filter should be changed every time the oil is. The element inside the filter is just a long length of some special fibrous paper all folded up dozens and dozens of times radially around the filter housing. The oil is pumped into the middle of the filter and has to pass through the filter element to get back out, leaving any muck behind on the surface of the element. This builds up over time, eventually clogging the filter, at which point a spring-loaded bypass flap opens inside the filter allowing the oil to circulate around the filter element so that the engine does not get starved of oil.

    The oil that came out of the car may have looked fairly clean, which is probably why the shop said not to bother changing the filter. Thing is, the filter could be multiple changes old, and just bypassing all the time.

    Always change your filter when you change your oil. Always. It's a few bucks.

    Same. Oil filters are designed to be replaced as often as the oil. Also of note there is usually a little panel under the hood that has the recommended oil weight on it, as well as on the oil cap itself. Though this isn't written in stone(I usually go a little heavier or lighter depending on the car.) it'll give you a pretty good idea of what to use if you're new. Next time, go to an autozone and buy your own oil and filter and put them on yourself. It's super easy to do and will save you some money. Literally only takes 30 minutes and one wrench. Afterward you'll have an extra 30 bucks in your pocket and a sense of accomplishment.

  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    Where in Canada can one go to buy oil/filters that cheap? I'm paying about 23-25 bucks for oil and a filter when I changed the oil on my last car (98 mazda protege). For an extra 10-15, a shop will do it. And top up all the fluids. And refill my tires.

    My time and/or cleanliness that day are worth far more than $10. And hey, free coffee and wifi while I wait the 25 minutes.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Take your car to a different shop next time. The filter should be changed every time the oil is. The element inside the filter is just a long length of some special fibrous paper all folded up dozens and dozens of times radially around the filter housing. The oil is pumped into the middle of the filter and has to pass through the filter element to get back out, leaving any muck behind on the surface of the element. This builds up over time, eventually clogging the filter, at which point a spring-loaded bypass flap opens inside the filter allowing the oil to circulate around the filter element so that the engine does not get starved of oil.

    The oil that came out of the car may have looked fairly clean, which is probably why the shop said not to bother changing the filter. Thing is, the filter could be multiple changes old, and just bypassing all the time.

    Always change your filter when you change your oil. Always. It's a few bucks.

    ...Out of curiosity, what does the oil filter actually, well, filter?

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  • b0bd0db0bd0d Registered User regular
    Yea, that's nice but sometimes you want to get under your car to check everything out. I like to check the fluids, grease whatever needs to be greased, and just generally check the undercarriage. I've only been to an oil change place 3 times in my entire driving life. I just don't trust somebody working on my vehicle. Although to be honest, the newest car I've ever owned has been at least 12 years old.

    About that oil light, on most cars that is basically a dummy light and only turns on when you're SUPER low on oil. Like on my Crown Vic, it wouldn't turn on until I was 3 quarts low. That's not good at all considering my capacity was 5 quarts. Poor engine only had two quarts in there :(. The best way is to check using the dipstick. Since you're not sure if you have an oil leak, check every time you get gas for a few weeks and see if it goes down. Check the ground where you usually park and see if you have any spots that look like oil spots. You can also leave the car running and go behind it. Look for any blueish/grey smoke coming from the exhaust. That's usually a sign you're getting oil into your combustion chamber, which is not good. If you feel like getting dirty, crawl under there and see if you can find any oil on the engine, the oil pan/plug, or anywhere on the frame of the car.

    The interval on changing your oil is always debatable. Mileage is ok but things like how hard you drive the car or the age of the engine can change that a lot. The main thing you want to do is change your oil before it breaks down to the point where it no longer lubricates and protects your engine from friction. When I did pizza delivery and drove like a moron, high rpms and late shifting, my oil broke down quicker and needed to be changed more often than when I did lots of highway driving. The filter is to hold dirt and whatnot and prevent it from being cycled throughout the engine. Changing a filter is almost always recommended although I've worked on a few cars where the filter could go two or three oil changes before changing. I thought it was weird too but the dealer said that's how it was designed.

  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    Figgy wrote: »
    Where in Canada can one go to buy oil/filters that cheap? I'm paying about 23-25 bucks for oil and a filter when I changed the oil on my last car (98 mazda protege). For an extra 10-15, a shop will do it. And top up all the fluids. And refill my tires.

    My time and/or cleanliness that day are worth far more than $10. And hey, free coffee and wifi while I wait the 25 minutes.

    You can get Fram oil and air filters and Quakerstate oil at Walmart. Canadian Tire also stocks a wide selection of filters and oils, and they usually wind up with either on sale about once every six months, so I go and stock up for the next couple oil changes.

    Quaker State conventional oil is on sale at my local CT for 14.99/4.73L, four of those would cover me for a year.

  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Figgy wrote: »
    Where in Canada can one go to buy oil/filters that cheap? I'm paying about 23-25 bucks for oil and a filter when I changed the oil on my last car (98 mazda protege). For an extra 10-15, a shop will do it. And top up all the fluids. And refill my tires.

    My time and/or cleanliness that day are worth far more than $10. And hey, free coffee and wifi while I wait the 25 minutes.

    Where do you go that oil changes are that cheap? Mine are at least twenty dollars more for the basic change. (less fluid (if any) top up and no checks)

    [Edit]
    Also, I'd imagine you might want to check out your local NAPA Autoparts store? I don't actually know how they compare price-wise, but always have a sense of them being good? (Might have just gotten that from my father.)

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Take your car to a different shop next time. The filter should be changed every time the oil is. The element inside the filter is just a long length of some special fibrous paper all folded up dozens and dozens of times radially around the filter housing. The oil is pumped into the middle of the filter and has to pass through the filter element to get back out, leaving any muck behind on the surface of the element. This builds up over time, eventually clogging the filter, at which point a spring-loaded bypass flap opens inside the filter allowing the oil to circulate around the filter element so that the engine does not get starved of oil.

    The oil that came out of the car may have looked fairly clean, which is probably why the shop said not to bother changing the filter. Thing is, the filter could be multiple changes old, and just bypassing all the time.

    Always change your filter when you change your oil. Always. It's a few bucks.

    ...Out of curiosity, what does the oil filter actually, well, filter?

    Metal particulates and carbon buildup, primarily.

  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    ... what the hell kind of shop does an oil change and not replace the filter?

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