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[PA Comic] Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - Ouroboros Or Whatever

GethGeth LegionPerseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    This is not a Prometheus exclusive problem, but good for raising public awareness.

  • KeltslashKeltslash Registered User new member
    This has always driven me crazy in various media over the years. It is baffling to me that in such a film they would perpetuate such a stupid situation. Then again, I suppose the characters did immediately pop off their helmets as soon as they found out an alien atmosphere was breathable and touched everything without any regard for the scientific process, let alone concern for their health/lives, so I suppose they would be stupid enough to run directly away from a large object that could kill them.

  • SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Don't know what that thing is, but it looks like someone's head and neck in the negative space up there.

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    SabreMau on
  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    A possible variant of Facevase time?

  • Rex BeaversRex Beavers Registered User regular
    I feel vindicated. This scene was a huge reason why I hated that movie, and everyone I went with thought I was crazy.

  • HardKaseHardKase Registered User regular
    I didn't hate the movie. I didn't love it. It was okay. But I did almost yell at the screen during this scene.

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  • WolvenSpectreWolvenSpectre Saskatchewan, CanadaRegistered User regular
    This reminds me of a comedy skit I did with some drama friends YEARS ago at a party. some of them had thought I was in drama and not Engineering so they had asked me to fill in for missing actors.

    Funny aside, they would keep coming up to me thinking I was a second year dramatic arts student and out of the blue ask me things like "How do you do a Texas Accent" (by the way I am Canadian) and because I was curious and the people asking were often attractive young women I would help. Finally when they found out they laughed to tears and embarrassment while I applied "well a B.E. is 'a bachelor of everything' (engineering is considered the "cool" collage at my University).

    At a big party they wanted to do this skit that had a generic set of movie heroes that were like Conan and Indiana Jones and so on. At one point a crabby professor starts chewing them out for mistakes that they made like running from things that are rolling in one direction when they could just walk a few steps to one side. I played the Professor with little prep and ended up scarring the other actors when my charater "lost my temper" at the others.

    It got allot of laughs and ended up with me getting harranged by a member of the drama program to take elaqution lessons and "quit wasting my time and do something creative". I thought engineering was the definition of being creative. ;P

  • Zoku GojiraZoku Gojira Monster IslandRegistered User regular
    Between this and the helmet sequence, Prometheus struck me as something of an homage to old campy space monster movies. Rocketship X-M, First Men on Venus, that kind of thing.

    The ending, though, reminds me of
    Predators, with where it leaves the survivors, setting up for a sequel that will almost certainly never be delivered.

    "Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
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  • SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    I haven't seen Prometheus, not really planning on seeing Prometheus, so I listened to all these thpoilers and wondered the same questions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

    (the question in the comic comes up at 3:05)

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  • Triple BTriple B Bastard of the North MARegistered User regular
    "What if the mission involved a gangbang"

    :lol:

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  • T-DangerT-Danger Registered User regular
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Prometheus confirmed to me that in the future, scientists are absolute morons.

    It's rather depressing really.

    So, so true
    "Holy shit, a pile of dead aliens who have had something burst out of their chests! We gotta get out of here!"

    --

    "Holy shit, a large alien snake which looks like a penis and appears to be threatening us!... It looks so cute, let's pet it."

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    So when there is a massive rolling onion ring coming my way I should run out of its tasty path? To hell with that I say!

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • Maz-Maz- 飛べ Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Kagera wrote: »
    So when there is a massive rolling onion ring coming my way I should run out of its tasty path? To hell with that I say!

    Looks more like a bicycle tire to me.

    Or a very, very moldy onion.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    Kinda looks like a grey turd.

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • NeuroskepticNeuroskeptic Registered User regular
    The movie makes no sense. There's the obvious stupid scientists - as previous posters have pointed out.

    But think about the overall plot and gets even worse. The whole thing started when ancient civilizations had a starmap pointing them to a certain planet, right? But it turns out that the planet was an alien <i>bomber base</i>. The aliens had set it up purely to store bombers full of WMDs (as the ship's captain explains at one point).

    Why point people there, of all places? Unless they wanted to kill us, in which case, why not just kill us instead of leaving a series of silly clues?

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    I feel vindicated. This scene was a huge reason why I hated that movie, and everyone I went with thought I was crazy.

    If that scene was your biggest problem with the movie, then it seems you're really just picking nits with it.
    I'll also point out that, in the movie, both routes were taken by the survivors. One was crushed when it rolled over them, and one was saved by plot armor after it fell on top of them and almost crushed her. That thing was friggin massive, there's no guarantee for them that running to the side would have gotten them out of the way.
    T-Danger wrote: »
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Prometheus confirmed to me that in the future, scientists are absolute morons.

    It's rather depressing really.

    So, so true
    "Holy shit, a pile of dead aliens who have had something burst out of their chests! We gotta get out of here!"

    --

    "Holy shit, a large alien snake which looks like a penis and appears to be threatening us!... It looks so cute, let's pet it."
    Actually, non of the "Engineers" (the aliens) had anything burst out of their chest until the very final moment of the movie.
    The movie makes no sense. There's the obvious stupid scientists - as previous posters have pointed out.

    But think about the overall plot and gets even worse. The whole thing started when ancient civilizations had a starmap pointing them to a certain planet, right? But it turns out that the planet was an alien <i>bomber base</i>. The aliens had set it up purely to store bombers full of WMDs (as the ship's captain explains at one point).

    Why point people there, of all places? Unless they wanted to kill us, in which case, why not just kill us instead of leaving a series of silly clues?
    Actually, there's a ton of assumptions made, but no answers to any of it in the movie. Everyone in the movie has their own opinions on what it is, and there's a lot of missing information that's being assumed. Like, we don't know that it was a military base, for all the know the black goo could be for terraforming purposes. We have no idea about how the civilizations got a map to them, because as far as we're shown the Engineers only came to earth once and accidentally created the basic building blocks of life in the process, millenia before those civilizations I might add. There's no reason why the ship captain's thoughts would be any more relevant to the situation than any of the scientists, especially as he only has tangential information and really no idea what's going on.

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  • jackaljackal Fuck Yes. That is an orderly anal warehouse. Registered User regular
    Why doesn't Elmer Fudd just run to the side when the tree is falling towards him. Although if he did I guess the tree's shadow would comically shift over to where he's standing and still fall on him, so I guess it would be pointless.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    jackal wrote: »
    Why doesn't Elmer Fudd just run to the side when the tree is falling towards him. Although if he did I guess the tree's shadow would comically shift over to where he's standing and still fall on him, so I guess it would be pointless.

    That would make Prometheus awesome if the circle chased them.

  • Rex BeaversRex Beavers Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    I feel vindicated. This scene was a huge reason why I hated that movie, and everyone I went with thought I was crazy.

    If that scene was your biggest problem with the movie, then it seems you're really just picking nits with it.

    It was not my biggest problem with the movie. My biggest problem was
    the biologist poking his finger in the face of the unknown lifeform. My second biggest problem was another scientist noticing a tiny silver worm poking out of his own cornea and doing something other than immediately quarantining himself using the ship's specialized equipment.

    Also, we both seem to remember the crash scene a bit differently. I don't remember anyone taking the route suggested in the comic. I remember
    Elizabeth
    spending most of her time running directly in the object's path and not veering off until the last few seconds. I think the comic suggests to immediately run to the side. I think I might be able to do it one better by suggesting running to the side and then back in the opposite direction. I might be wrong about that scene, but if I am it doesn't change how I feel about the movie overall. I really really hated that scene, though.

  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    Also, we both seem to remember the crash scene a bit differently. I don't remember anyone taking the route suggested in the comic. I remember
    Elizabeth
    spending most of her time running directly in the object's path and not veering off until the last few seconds. I think the comic suggests to immediately run to the side. I think I might be able to do it one better by suggesting running to the side and then back in the opposite direction. I might be wrong about that scene, but if I am it doesn't change how I feel about the movie overall. I really really hated that scene, though.

    No, you're right. They were both running the same direction. One fell down, apparently hitting her head and having an epiphany, and proceeded to roll about six feet to the side to safety.

  • Black_HeartBlack_Heart Registered User regular
    Prometheus was.... pretty. Thats about it.

  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    Haven't seen the movie but a clip of this is in one of the trailers and I was thinking "Dumbass, you ain't gonna outrun that."

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  • SyphyreSyphyre A Dangerous Pastime Registered User regular
    This movie just isn't for us.

  • AlienCowThatMoosAlienCowThatMoos Registered User regular
    The helmet thing I assumed was the standard Hollywood bullshit. Same reason that Spider-man can't keep his mask on for more than 30 seconds in a stretch. Hollywood demands that their expensive actor's faces be fully visible at all times. When I saw that the helmets were giant bubbles with no visibility problems I hoped they'd keep 'em on, but nope!

    Alternatively, it did seem in character for that first guy to take his helmet off. I would have loved it if he died almost immediately as a direct result. Then everyone else would keep their helmets on no matter what.

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  • DajeDarknessDajeDarkness Registered User new member
    You're looking at this the wrong way. First, it doesn't have Sigourney Weaver in it, so there's a limit to the amount of goodness it can possess. Second, this is a prequel. If someone is watching these movies in the story's chronological order, this one cannot be better than the first Alien movie. That way when you watch them all in sequence it just gets progressively more epic.

  • marsiliesmarsilies Registered User regular
    The comic isn't really a spoiler. I was wondering the same thing when watching the trailers.

  • SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    When watching the trailer, what I was wondering was if that siren sound thing was actually in the movie or if it was just a thing the trailer editors tossed in there.

  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    SabreMau wrote: »
    When watching the trailer, what I was wondering was if that siren sound thing was actually in the movie or if it was just a thing the trailer editors tossed in there.

    It's a callback to the original Alien trailer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8&amp;feature=related

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  • geekoidgeekoid Registered User regular
    I think that same thing in any movie where people are running along the descent path of an object. 'Just freaking turn left already'.

    Also movies where someone ion foot is being chased by some in a car and the run down the friggin' street. Terminator was especially bad.

    Now I will break machinery with my head!
  • ods94043ods94043 Registered User regular
    NEED T-SHIRT OF THAT LAST PANEL.

    we must get the word out.

  • Fatty McBeardoFatty McBeardo Registered User regular
    This, the biologist being an idiot, and the terrible
    old age makeup for Weyland
    really put a dent in the film for me.

  • K^2K^2 Registered User regular
    The graphic is slightly misleading. While running away from direction of motion is a good suggestion, running perpendicular might be sub-optimal under certain conditions. Suppose, you start out some distance d from object-of-impending-doom (OID), which has a width of 2a, and you are right along the center line of motion. Id est, you need to displace yourself by some distance a in perpendicular direction, before the OID closes the distance d in longitudinal direction. The OID travels at some linear velocity U, while you are free to travel at some Vl and Vt in longitudinal and transverse directions respectively. Naturally, time it takes you to get out of the way is t=a/Vt. Time you have, potentially all the time you have, is t'=d/(U-Vl). At the worst, we desire t=t' for a narrow escape, and we wish to minimize V²=Vt²+Vl². The first condition gives us a*U-a*Vl=d*Vt, allowing us to rewrite the minimization criterion in terms of Vl alone. V²=a²*(U-Vl)²/d²+Vl². Consequently dV²/dVl = -2a²*(U-Vl)/d²+2Vl = 0 gives us the extremum. Solution Vl=U*a²/(a²+d²) is a potential minimum. Correspondingly, Vt=U*a*d/(a²+d²), and V²=a²*U²/(a²+d²). Checking this against boundary Vl=0 -> V²=a²*U²/d² verifies that extremum is a true minimum.

    Given this, what is the optimal direction? It is given by Vt/Vl=d/a. In other words, rather than running perpendicular to direction of OID's travel, you run perpendicular to the line between you and OID's edge. If OID is really far away compared to its width, then you need to mosey out of the way in perpendicular direction as indicated in the graphic. The rate of moseying being directly proportional to OID's speed. If, on the other hand, you are a world famous archaeologist running from a giant boulder that's practically on top of you, running in perpendicular direction is a very bad idea. You have better chances of outrunning it. Not that you shouldn't be trying to run slightly diagonally if there is room for that.

  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    The lady who ran to the side then had the Croissant tip over on top of her.

    So. That's not really the call either. ;D

    In all fairness, they started running when it was falling out of the fucking sky. They didn't know it'd start rolling, and once you start, you're hardly gonna stop for a good ol' assessment of which way it's going, are you? :P

    Oh brilliant
  • SmoogySmoogy Registered User regular
    I loved this movie...but that scene was pretty ridiculous, hehe. However, if you don't have enough time to run sideways before whatever the "big, huge thing falling on you" is, then you're shit out of luck regardless. Running forward at least extends the time a little.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    I didn't see the movie and probably never will, but I just wanted to point out that RedLetterMedia (and Mike Stoklasa) is awesome.

    The comic made no sense to me until I came in here to find out the context.

  • SmoogySmoogy Registered User regular
    Seems like you don't need the context for this one. Run sideways to escape object falling on you. Such a common visual in movies.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    oh man this happens in EVERY MOVIE and it drives me up the wall

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Smoogy wrote: »
    Seems like you don't need the context for this one. Run sideways to escape object falling on you. Such a common visual in movies.

    Personally, I was too busy staring at the peculiar ring-shaped object trying to figure out what it was to even take much notice of the arrows. Had to come read the thread for context to get any understanding of this comic at all.

    But I have pretty much completely ignored Prometheus and all things related to it.

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