but in retrospect the plot doesn't make a lick of fucking sense
What doesn't make sense about it? Seemed pretty straight forward to me.
that's because it does make sense. There are certainly elements of jokers plots and so on which strain credulity but to expand that to say that the plot doesn't make a lick of sense is straight up wrong.
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You're absolutely right, FAQ. Like, the scene where Batman gets fingerprints off a shattered bullet is stupider than most episodes of CSI, but it doesn't make the overall plot of the movie nonsensical at all.
but in retrospect the plot doesn't make a lick of fucking sense
What doesn't make sense about it? Seemed pretty straight forward to me.
that's because it does make sense. There are certainly elements of jokers plots and so on which strain credulity but to expand that to say that the plot doesn't make a lick of sense is straight up wrong.
Any movie can not make any sense if you're committed to being dumb enough.
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My only real complaint with Inception - which isn't a flaw in the way the film was constructed as much as it is a preference of mine - was that the dream worlds created were often dull. Nolan has a mastery of technical specificity but that's almost a drawback when you want to create lands of limitless possibility.
My only real complaint with Inception - which isn't a flaw in the way the film was constructed as much as it is a preference of mine - was that the dream worlds created were often dull. Nolan has a mastery of technical specificity but that's almost a drawback when you want to create lands of limitless possibility.
Yeah, besides Limbo and the scene where Ariadne bends Paris around, the whole "limitless possibility" thing wasn't really used to its fullest potential.
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This film looks insane and grim as all hell.
I can't wait.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
Also I saw Batman Begins and the Dark Knight in the Seattle IMAX theater.
I am not breaking that tradition anytime soon, which means 4 a.m. tickets opening night.
My only real complaint with Inception - which isn't a flaw in the way the film was constructed as much as it is a preference of mine - was that the dream worlds created were often dull. Nolan has a mastery of technical specificity but that's almost a drawback when you want to create lands of limitless possibility.
This is honestly a part of the reason why I preferred Paprika to Inception.
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but isn't the reason why the dream worlds were dull was because people had to believe they weren't in a dream so they could incept and extract things in dreams
Playing through Arkham City, I think I've discovered the secret to Batman.
It's the puns.
Bat puns, Cat puns, Clown puns, Bird puns, Ice puns, Plant puns, Binary puns, etc. 60% of the dialogue must be puns. And why not, when it's just so... punnable.
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but isn't the reason why the dream worlds were dull was because people had to believe they weren't in a dream so they could incept and extract things in dreams
yeah! just saw it again father's day, that's exactly why.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
but in retrospect the plot doesn't make a lick of fucking sense
What doesn't make sense about it? Seemed pretty straight forward to me.
that's because it does make sense. There are certainly elements of jokers plots and so on which strain credulity but to expand that to say that the plot doesn't make a lick of sense is straight up wrong.
The Joker does push pretty heavily on an audience's disbelief but for myself I always just accepted it as him planning win-win situations.
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Playing through Arkham City, I think I've discovered the secret to Batman.
It's the puns.
Bat puns, Cat puns, Clown puns, Bird puns, Ice puns, Plant puns, Binary puns, etc. 60% of the dialogue must be puns. And why not, when it's just so... punnable.
Really?
Because through Arkham Asylum and Arkham City I figured out Batman's secret.
Be fucking angry and pissed off at everything & everyone.
And the angrier I got the better I was at the game.
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but in retrospect the plot doesn't make a lick of fucking sense
What doesn't make sense about it? Seemed pretty straight forward to me.
that's because it does make sense. There are certainly elements of jokers plots and so on which strain credulity but to expand that to say that the plot doesn't make a lick of sense is straight up wrong.
The Joker does push pretty heavily on an audience's disbelief but for myself I always just accepted it as him planning win-win situations.
that seems so un-Joker though
he even has a line about how plans are dumb and he just does things
except he very clearly has intricate plans set up
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
but in retrospect the plot doesn't make a lick of fucking sense
What doesn't make sense about it? Seemed pretty straight forward to me.
that's because it does make sense. There are certainly elements of jokers plots and so on which strain credulity but to expand that to say that the plot doesn't make a lick of sense is straight up wrong.
The Joker does push pretty heavily on an audience's disbelief but for myself I always just accepted it as him planning win-win situations.
that seems so un-Joker though
he even has a line about how plans are dumb and he just does things
yes, but I'm saying that is more in line with his character than having ridiculously complex plans that go off with barely a hitch
Really? A huge part of the Joker is super-intricate plans. He does that all the time.
And he does it all in the theater of chaos.
I never viewed it as the Joker having a huge super-duper plan. But rather having several different plans all colliding and acting as contingencies for each other.
but in retrospect the plot doesn't make a lick of fucking sense
What doesn't make sense about it? Seemed pretty straight forward to me.
that's because it does make sense. There are certainly elements of jokers plots and so on which strain credulity but to expand that to say that the plot doesn't make a lick of sense is straight up wrong.
The Joker does push pretty heavily on an audience's disbelief but for myself I always just accepted it as him planning win-win situations.
that seems so un-Joker though
he even has a line about how plans are dumb and he just does things
except he very clearly has intricate plans set up
Go with me here.
The Joker lies.
That's one of the things I loved about Nolan's portrayal of the Joker that I think a lot of people didn't get for some reason, even after he tells two completely different stories about how he got his scars.
I remember reading some reviews for the movie where the reviewer seems to have ignored or missed one of the stories and cites the other in their review as truth.
yes, but I'm saying that is more in line with his character than having ridiculously complex plans that go off with barely a hitch
Really? A huge part of the Joker is super-intricate plans. He does that all the time.
And he does it all in the theater of chaos.
I never viewed it as the Joker having a huge super-duper plan. But rather having several different plans all colliding and acting as contingencies for each other.
I mean yes, the Joker does have schemes, but there's usually a sense of chaos and improvisation to them, he always knows what to do but also leaves loose room to have extra fun
TDK Joker feels like he actually sat in a room and wrote the plot down on a piece of paper
but isn't the reason why the dream worlds were dull was because people had to believe they weren't in a dream so they could incept and extract things in dreams
Yeah, that's true.
Still, that all kinda went out the window once they told Fisher that he was dreaming.
but isn't the reason why the dream worlds were dull was because people had to believe they weren't in a dream so they could incept and extract things in dreams
Yep, that's exactly it. It also worked for the audience. Dreams feel real while we're in them.
I love how much debate there was over the ending, even though the point was that it didn't matter if it was a dream or not. Cobb achieved his goal and was finally in the reality that he desired for so long.
RE: The Joker, I'm fairly certain that he improvised just as much as he planned.
Stuff like Bruce's campaign party and turning all of Gotham on Reese while he went after Harvey, that all strikes me as some pretty on-the-spot planning.
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Playing through Arkham City, I think I've discovered the secret to Batman.
It's the puns.
Bat puns, Cat puns, Clown puns, Bird puns, Ice puns, Plant puns, Binary puns, etc. 60% of the dialogue must be puns. And why not, when it's just so... punnable.
Really?
Because through Arkham Asylum and Arkham City I figured out Batman's secret.
Be fucking angry and pissed off at everything & everyone.
And the angrier I got the better I was at the game.
Bale flat out says he's angry in the latest trailer
just full on "MY PARENTS ARE DEEEEAAAAAADDDDDDD" mode
yes, but I'm saying that is more in line with his character than having ridiculously complex plans that go off with barely a hitch
Really? A huge part of the Joker is super-intricate plans. He does that all the time.
And he does it all in the theater of chaos.
I never viewed it as the Joker having a huge super-duper plan. But rather having several different plans all colliding and acting as contingencies for each other.
Yeah he plans shit like crazy but also has extraordinary improvisational skills. Almost every word he said to Dent in the Hospital was bullshit just to get him to turn bad, although he really didn't give a shit about possibly dying when it came to the coin toss.
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that's because it does make sense. There are certainly elements of jokers plots and so on which strain credulity but to expand that to say that the plot doesn't make a lick of sense is straight up wrong.
The first one, ho dang, guess the trailer music is all actually part of the soundtrack!
The second one, there's that deshay basara drum beat playing. Guess it's gonna be like a reocurring theme in the soundtrack. Good.
Any movie can not make any sense if you're committed to being dumb enough.
maybe
depends how much free cash I have
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Yeah, besides Limbo and the scene where Ariadne bends Paris around, the whole "limitless possibility" thing wasn't really used to its fullest potential.
I can't wait.
I am not breaking that tradition anytime soon, which means 4 a.m. tickets opening night.
I'm going to be so tired at work that next day...
This is honestly a part of the reason why I preferred Paprika to Inception.
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It's the puns.
Bat puns, Cat puns, Clown puns, Bird puns, Ice puns, Plant puns, Binary puns, etc. 60% of the dialogue must be puns. And why not, when it's just so... punnable.
yeah! just saw it again father's day, that's exactly why.
The Joker does push pretty heavily on an audience's disbelief but for myself I always just accepted it as him planning win-win situations.
Really?
Because through Arkham Asylum and Arkham City I figured out Batman's secret.
Be fucking angry and pissed off at everything & everyone.
And the angrier I got the better I was at the game.
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that seems so un-Joker though
he even has a line about how plans are dumb and he just does things
except he very clearly has intricate plans set up
Go with me here.
The Joker lies.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Tumblr blargh
Really? A huge part of the Joker is super-intricate plans. He does that all the time.
And he does it all in the theater of chaos.
I never viewed it as the Joker having a huge super-duper plan. But rather having several different plans all colliding and acting as contingencies for each other.
That's one of the things I loved about Nolan's portrayal of the Joker that I think a lot of people didn't get for some reason, even after he tells two completely different stories about how he got his scars.
I remember reading some reviews for the movie where the reviewer seems to have ignored or missed one of the stories and cites the other in their review as truth.
I mean yes, the Joker does have schemes, but there's usually a sense of chaos and improvisation to them, he always knows what to do but also leaves loose room to have extra fun
TDK Joker feels like he actually sat in a room and wrote the plot down on a piece of paper
Yeah, that's true.
Still, that all kinda went out the window once they told Fisher that he was dreaming.
Yep, that's exactly it. It also worked for the audience. Dreams feel real while we're in them.
Stuff like Bruce's campaign party and turning all of Gotham on Reese while he went after Harvey, that all strikes me as some pretty on-the-spot planning.
Bale flat out says he's angry in the latest trailer
just full on "MY PARENTS ARE DEEEEAAAAAADDDDDDD" mode
Yeah he plans shit like crazy but also has extraordinary improvisational skills. Almost every word he said to Dent in the Hospital was bullshit just to get him to turn bad, although he really didn't give a shit about possibly dying when it came to the coin toss.