Video Game Industry Thread: The other shoe drops at Sega

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  • Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    What was Final Fantasy XIII's excuse?

    Oh yes, they couldn't properly build towns in HD so they went with the corridor method. That's right I forgot about that totally logical explanation. :rotate:

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    What was Final Fantasy XIII's excuse?

    Oh yes, they couldn't properly build towns in HD so they went with the corridor method. That's right I forgot about that totally logical explanation. :rotate:
    Easier to keep RAM limits (and production price, yeah yeah) reasonable by controlling every little bit that the player can actually see

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  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    Sorry, I assumed everyone knew that GoW meant Gears of War when talking about CliffyB.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    CliffyB doesn't even use "GoW" to refer to Gears of War.

    EDIT: But the complaint really wasn't valid until somebody else started talking about God of War.

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  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    Sorry, I assumed everyone knew that GoW meant Gears of War when talking about CliffyB.

    Except when people brought up God of War.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Renzo wrote: »
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Ceno wrote: »
    us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5889089807

    Digital purchases of Diablo III now restricted to starter edition for three days. Welcome to the future of gaming.

    Yay for defeating the point of digital purchases!

    I don't understand. What is the point of doing that?

    Crippling illicit gold farmers, presumably.

    And of course, regular customers must suffer. Business As Usual(tm).

    Blizzard creates a game (Diablo 2) that spawns a grey market industry (Diablo gold/weapon selling) that makes money.

    Blizzard decides that they want to make this money, as opposed to Asian sweatshop workers.

    Blizzard creates another game (Diablo 3) with a feature that will accomplish this (the RMAH and Blizzard's own RMT).

    They add the worst DRM in the history of gaming to safeguard that feature.

    The feature does not stop Asian sweatshop workers from selling gold.

    Blizzard locks down all digitally sold copies of Diablo 3 for three days in order to combat gold farmers.

    Blizzard destroys God.

    Blizzard creates Dinosaurs.

  • amnesiasoftamnesiasoft Thick Creamy Furry Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    But the complaint really wasn't valid until somebody else started talking about God of War.
    Yeah, that's why I was complaining about it.

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  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    reVerse wrote: »
    Renzo wrote: »
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Ceno wrote: »
    us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5889089807

    Digital purchases of Diablo III now restricted to starter edition for three days. Welcome to the future of gaming.

    Yay for defeating the point of digital purchases!

    I don't understand. What is the point of doing that?

    Crippling illicit gold farmers, presumably.

    And of course, regular customers must suffer. Business As Usual(tm).

    Blizzard creates a game (Diablo 2) that spawns a grey market industry (Diablo gold/weapon selling) that makes money.

    Blizzard decides that they want to make this money, as opposed to Asian sweatshop workers.

    Blizzard creates another game (Diablo 3) with a feature that will accomplish this (the RMAH and Blizzard's own RMT).

    They add the worst DRM in the history of gaming to safeguard that feature.

    The feature does not stop Asian sweatshop workers from selling gold.

    Blizzard locks down all digitally sold copies of Diablo 3 for three days in order to combat gold farmers.

    Blizzard destroys God.

    Blizzard creates Dinosaurs.

    Dinosaurs eat Blizzard.

    EA inherits the gaming industry.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    In other news

    http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/21/leak-reveals-final-fantasy-7-coming-back-to-pc-with-achievemen/
    A Google cache of the site finalfantasyviipc.com shows evidence of a plan for an updated PC release, with achievements, cloud saves (appropriate!) and a "character booster" that lets players increase HP, MP, and money "with the simple click of a button, leaving you to enjoy your adventure." Final Fantasy VII first came to PC on disc in 1998.

    A whois search of that domain reveals it to be owned by Square Enix – registered, in fact, under CEO Yoichi Wada's name.

    Square Enix hasn't officially announced the new version yet, so we don't know when this is due, but the cached page prices it at £7.99 / €9.99 (about $12.50).

  • Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

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  • Skull2185Skull2185 Registered User regular
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

    ?

    That stuff sounds like something the fans would like...

    Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

    ?

    That stuff sounds like something the fans would like...

    Except for the fact that it's not a remake.

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    QTEs are alright because Asura's Wrath.

    Asura's Wrath did QTEs right. And that was almost the whole game, so it had to get them right.

  • Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

    ?

    That stuff sounds like something the fans would like...

    It's a port of the terrible PC version with achievements grafted on.

    This is not what fans of the game are asking for.

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  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

    ?

    That stuff sounds like something the fans would like...

    It's a port of the terrible PC version with achievements grafted on.

    This is not what fans of the game are asking for.

    The PC version was fine... in 1998.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    It's a port of the terrible PC version with achievements grafted on.

    This is not what fans of the game are asking for.

    Maybe they are desperate enough after seeing the Final Fantasy franchise underperform for so long that they are going to use sales of a semi-updated PC version to guage fan reaction which will give them more info on whether or not it would be financially viable to commit hundreds of employees and tens of millions of dollars on an HD remake?

  • Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    It's a port of the terrible PC version with achievements grafted on.

    This is not what fans of the game are asking for.

    Maybe they are desperate enough after seeing the Final Fantasy franchise underperform for so long that they are going to use sales of a semi-updated PC version to guage fan reaction which will give them more info on whether or not it would be financially viable to commit hundreds of employees and tens of millions of dollars on an HD remake?

    Or it's a quick cash grab in hopes that they can plug some of the holes that have been leaking money for longer than they are comfortable with. 8->

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Even if they did remake FF7, I'm not optimistic enough to believe they'd be happy with simply replacing the graphics and translation, and leaving all the perfectly good mechanics well enough alone.

  • SigtyrSigtyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    The Honey Bee Inn.
    The whole cross dressing for Don Corneo.
    The couple near the train station.
    Hojo trying to breed RedXIII and Aeris.
    The Shinra Building Stair scene.

    Shit, they'd have to cut out pretty much everything in Midgar.

    Oh, and the part where Cloud goes berserk and goes wife beater on Aeris.

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  • gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    In other news

    http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/21/leak-reveals-final-fantasy-7-coming-back-to-pc-with-achievemen/
    A Google cache of the site finalfantasyviipc.com shows evidence of a plan for an updated PC release, with achievements, cloud saves (appropriate!) and a "character booster" that lets players increase HP, MP, and money "with the simple click of a button, leaving you to enjoy your adventure." Final Fantasy VII first came to PC on disc in 1998.

    A whois search of that domain reveals it to be owned by Square Enix – registered, in fact, under CEO Yoichi Wada's name.

    Square Enix hasn't officially announced the new version yet, so we don't know when this is due, but the cached page prices it at £7.99 / €9.99 (about $12.50).
    Squeenix shot down the rerelease of the PC versions of FF7 and FF8 at least a year ago. Either they've changed their minds since then, or this is new information coming out about the canceled rerelease.

  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    Sigtyr wrote: »
    The Honey Bee Inn.
    The whole cross dressing for Don Corneo.
    The couple near the train station.
    Hojo trying to breed RedXIII and Aeris.
    The Shinra Building Stair scene.

    Shit, they'd have to cut out pretty much everything in Midgar.

    Oh, and the part where Cloud goes berserk and goes wife beater on Aeris.

    One can only imaging what Cloud in a dress would look like in an HD remake.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    gtrmp wrote: »
    Donnicton wrote: »
    In other news

    http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/21/leak-reveals-final-fantasy-7-coming-back-to-pc-with-achievemen/
    A Google cache of the site finalfantasyviipc.com shows evidence of a plan for an updated PC release, with achievements, cloud saves (appropriate!) and a "character booster" that lets players increase HP, MP, and money "with the simple click of a button, leaving you to enjoy your adventure." Final Fantasy VII first came to PC on disc in 1998.

    A whois search of that domain reveals it to be owned by Square Enix – registered, in fact, under CEO Yoichi Wada's name.

    Square Enix hasn't officially announced the new version yet, so we don't know when this is due, but the cached page prices it at £7.99 / €9.99 (about $12.50).
    Squeenix shot down the rerelease of the PC versions of FF7 and FF8 at least a year ago. Either they've changed their minds since then, or this is new information coming out about the canceled rerelease.
    This is Google's cache of http://dev.finalfantasyviipc.com/en. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Jun 18, 2012 12:26:12 GMT.

    That's about as close as we're going to get to evidence of a date, though it easily could have been a mothballed page on the site from their original forays that nobody ever bothered to remove.

  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Donnicton wrote: »
    gtrmp wrote: »
    Donnicton wrote: »
    In other news

    http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/21/leak-reveals-final-fantasy-7-coming-back-to-pc-with-achievemen/
    A Google cache of the site finalfantasyviipc.com shows evidence of a plan for an updated PC release, with achievements, cloud saves (appropriate!) and a "character booster" that lets players increase HP, MP, and money "with the simple click of a button, leaving you to enjoy your adventure." Final Fantasy VII first came to PC on disc in 1998.

    A whois search of that domain reveals it to be owned by Square Enix – registered, in fact, under CEO Yoichi Wada's name.

    Square Enix hasn't officially announced the new version yet, so we don't know when this is due, but the cached page prices it at £7.99 / €9.99 (about $12.50).
    Squeenix shot down the rerelease of the PC versions of FF7 and FF8 at least a year ago. Either they've changed their minds since then, or this is new information coming out about the canceled rerelease.
    This is Google's cache of http://dev.finalfantasyviipc.com/en. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Jun 18, 2012 12:26:12 GMT.

    That's about as close as we're going to get to evidence of a date, though it easily could have been a mothballed page on the site from their original forays that nobody ever bothered to remove.

    The whois search shows a created date of 6/15/2012

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  • agoajagoaj Top Tier One FearRegistered User regular
    skeldare wrote: »
    Sigtyr wrote: »
    The Honey Bee Inn.
    The whole cross dressing for Don Corneo.
    The couple near the train station.
    Hojo trying to breed RedXIII and Aeris.
    The Shinra Building Stair scene.

    Shit, they'd have to cut out pretty much everything in Midgar.

    Oh, and the part where Cloud goes berserk and goes wife beater on Aeris.

    One can only imaging what Cloud in a dress would look like in an HD remake.

    Can't be that different from Tidus or Vaan.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/21/thq-vice-president-steps-down/
    THQ vice president, corporate controller and chief accounting officer Teri Manby officially resigned on June 14, but is scheduled to remain at the company until July 6 to help with the transition, an SEC filing reveals.

    Rose Cunningham, current senior director of financial reporting, has been promoted to vice president, corporate controller, and chief financial officer Paul Pucino will take over as chief accounting officer.

    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/21/exclusive-gaming-company-gaikai-seeks-buyer/
    Orange County start-up could be worth well over $500 million.

    FORTUNE -- Gaikai, a popular provider of cloud-based streaming services for PC and console games, in on the block. Sources tell me it already has hired bankers, and is expecting well in excess of $500 million.

    The Aliso Viejo, Calif.-based company has raised around $45 million in VC funding, from firms like Benchmark Capital, Rustin Canyon Partners, Intel Capital, New Enterprise Associates and Qualcomm Ventures. Strategic partners include Walmart, YouTube and Electronic Arts.

    Gaikai is basically the big privately-held rival to OnLive, which last year supplemented its VC funding with $40 million from HTC. No word yet on who suitors would be, but possibilities include game platform companies (e.g., Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, etc.), cable/broadband companies (AT&T, Comcast, etc.) and possibly large game publishers.

    Intel (INTC) also may take a hard look to support development of its upcoming Internet-based TV service (particularly given that Intel also has visibility into the company via Intel Capital).

    No comment from Gaikai, natch.
    Would 500 million be a lot for Gaikai? It feels like it, but I have no clue.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    I'd like to think their thought process is basically :It's called Gaikai? That's, like, Japanese or something, right? Japan is totally worth crazy high tech dollars! We'll be rich if we invest!

  • CorriganXCorriganX Jacksonville, FLRegistered User regular
    Theres been a lot of speculation that MS/Sony would be interested in their streaming technology as a further way to spruce up their Gold/PS+ services. Imagine if you could freely stream digitally distributed games through your system instead of having to download them. :p

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  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    I'd like to think their thought process is basically :It's called Gaikai? That's, like, Japanese or something, right? Japan is totally worth crazy high tech dollars! We'll be rich if we invest!

    It's Japanese for "open ocean" apparently.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    EA is beyond all hope article.
    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-06-21-stock-ticker-why-eas-market-valuation-has-crashed?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=us-daily
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    Firstly, there's Star Wars: The Old Republic. EA's stock price went into decline after The Old Republic's launch, and hasn't recovered yet - and that timing is unlikely to be a coincidence. Expectations among investors for SWTOR were extremely high, given the game's much-publicised high development costs (which probably make it the most expensive game project ever), the strength of the Star Wars license, the track record of developer Bioware and, crucially, the tantalising possibility of building an ongoing MMO revenue stream for EA which would match the one enjoyed by rival Activision Blizzard from World of Warcraft. While it would be unfair to characterise SWTOR as a complete failure, it has certainly not been a success on the level which EA or its investors would have wanted. The game has lost 400,000 subscribers since February, and it seems inevitable that the company will be forced into an embarrassing (but probably commercially sensible) transition to a free-to-play model sooner rather than later.
    In other respects, however, Riccitiello's transformation of EA is clearly struggling - not least in terms of timescales. When he arrived in 2007, it was anticipated that the process he wanted to bring the company through would take three years. In mid-2012, there's still no end in sight. It's unsurprising that the stock market would be extremely wary of a business which, to quote another industry watcher, is presently in year five of a three-year transformation project that's actually going to take seven years. SWTOR was almost certainly being used by many investors as a test of Riccitiello's strategy. It's a hugely expensive title, created by a studio with a reputation for quality (which Riccitiello himself added to the EA group as one of his first actions on becoming CEO), and focused strongly on digital business objectives, not least of which was being the flagship title for Origin, EA's Steam competitor. For SWTOR to fail makes Riccitiello's entire strategy look dodgy to investors who were already deeply concerned by the slow pace of progress.
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    In this graph, the problems facing EA and Take Two are even more starkly revealed, as both of them are veering sharply away from the red line (which you can think of as a kind of average of the performance of American tech companies). Activision Blizzard, meanwhile, is just about managing to hug the line - slightly underperforming it in the past few months, if anything.

    In short, the games industry's most bankable company in the USA right now is only just managing to keep up with its tech industry peers, while the other top two publishers are rapidly spiralling down the plughole. The overall picture is not encouraging. Investors are clearly deeply worried about the games industry's biggest companies - they're cautious on Activision Blizzard, and downright negative on EA and Take Two. EA needs to focus on convincing the markets that Riccitiello's plan is going to work out, of course, but it's also clear that there's a wider challenge here for the entire games industry. The next transition, which has already started, is going to be the toughest one the industry has ever faced - the stock market knows it, and until the industry can show itself to be ready to cope with that transition, investors are going to steer well clear of videogame-related stocks.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    skeldare wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

    ?

    That stuff sounds like something the fans would like...

    It's a port of the terrible PC version with achievements grafted on.

    This is not what fans of the game are asking for.

    The PC version was fine... in 1998.

    No it wasn't. The PC version crashed every other step you took.

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  • CadeCade Eppur si muove.Registered User regular
    Yikes.

    So will this downward spiral for EA mean they'll end up partnering up with someone to save themselves or basically try to create a franchise that is highly exploitable for large short gains.

    Yeah they'll probably do that one.

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Cade wrote: »
    Yikes.

    So will this downward spiral for EA mean they'll end up partnering up with someone to save themselves or basically try to create a franchise that is highly exploitable for large short gains.

    Yeah they'll probably do that one.

    This doesn't mean EA is going to die. It doesn't even mean they're losing money. It just means the shareholders are pissed. Does anyone have any evidence that EA is actually losing money?

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    From the look of it the shares started dropping around the release of TOR.

    Can't say I'm surprised. Cost them boatloads and its been really underperforming. Seems to me that have to do something to try and salvage it.

  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    skeldare wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

    ?

    That stuff sounds like something the fans would like...

    It's a port of the terrible PC version with achievements grafted on.

    This is not what fans of the game are asking for.

    The PC version was fine... in 1998.

    No it wasn't. The PC version crashed every other step you took.

    I remember buying it and not playing it because all the backgrounds were low-res (presumably pulled from the PSX disc) and all the polygons were Hi-Res, so they looked ridiculous.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Mr_Grinch wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    skeldare wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

    ?

    That stuff sounds like something the fans would like...

    It's a port of the terrible PC version with achievements grafted on.

    This is not what fans of the game are asking for.

    The PC version was fine... in 1998.

    No it wasn't. The PC version crashed every other step you took.

    I remember buying it and not playing it because all the backgrounds were low-res (presumably pulled from the PSX disc) and all the polygons were Hi-Res, so they looked ridiculous.

    MIDI music!

    Don't forget also specifically needing a Soundblaster card for the PC versions of 7 and 8 just to make them not sound like shit, because those were the only cards that could really use Soundfonts.

  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    The music was also awful and the game was insanely crash happy.

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  • SigtyrSigtyr Registered User regular
    EA stock hasn't been that low since the .com bubble.

    Sweet Jesus.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Ceno wrote: »
    us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5889089807

    Digital purchases of Diablo III now restricted to starter edition for three days. Welcome to the future of gaming.

    I was going to point out how this sucks, but then you added a slippery slope comment so I have to say it's not the future, stop being a goose, and Blizzard isn't evil, just dumb ATM.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    skeldare wrote: »
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    Ha, and Square continues to urinate on what fans it has left. Haha... :lol:

    ?

    That stuff sounds like something the fans would like...

    Except for the fact that it's not a remake.

    Don't forget what a goddamn mess the PC version was. I doubt they're fixing it at all.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Wouldn't it be easier just to use a Playstation emulator that is totally new and not stolen from anyone?

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