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The new [NBA] thread - DWIGHT HOWARD TO THE LAKERS!

sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeeesome more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
edited August 2012 in Debate and/or Discourse
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Happened.

Then

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Was picked first overall.

Now we've witnessed

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Has been offered a max contract????????????????????????

by this man

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The NBA is the best thing and this is the best place for it!

Also, the 2012 Olympics (screw you non-America!) are soonish, and here is the finalists roster for the greatest country on Erf.

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  • Hi I'm Vee!Hi I'm Vee! Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C E Registered User regular
    To be fair, I probably would have offered the girl in that picture a max contract too.

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  • badpoetbadpoet Registered User regular
    So, the Olympics. I'm kind of liking Stern's idea of only allowing 23 and under. I'd also be cool with just a college all-stars team. We may lose, but I think our collective American ego can live with a loss if we're talking amateurs/very young professional athletes.

  • KasynKasyn I'm not saying I don't like our chances. She called me the master.Registered User regular
    badpoet wrote: »
    So, the Olympics. I'm kind of liking Stern's idea of only allowing 23 and under. I'd also be cool with just a college all-stars team. We may lose, but I think our collective American ego can live with a loss if we're talking amateurs/very young professional athletes.

    I don't know about that. I mean, our 23-and-under squad would be pretty fucking competitive worldwide, but America doesn't really enjoy losing in the Olympics. We're used to uhm...not losing.

  • badpoetbadpoet Registered User regular
    Kasyn wrote: »
    badpoet wrote: »
    So, the Olympics. I'm kind of liking Stern's idea of only allowing 23 and under. I'd also be cool with just a college all-stars team. We may lose, but I think our collective American ego can live with a loss if we're talking amateurs/very young professional athletes.

    I don't know about that. I mean, our 23-and-under squad would be pretty fucking competitive worldwide, but America doesn't really enjoy losing in the Olympics. We're used to uhm...not losing.

    Yeah, I was talking more the college all-start team, not the under 23 team. If our "amateurs" (deserves quotation marks given that we live in a world with John Calipari and his ilk) went out and didn't win, we'd still be able to say they were competing against everyone elses' professionals.

  • MichelanvaloMichelanvalo Registered User regular
    badpoet wrote: »
    So, the Olympics. I'm kind of liking Stern's idea of only allowing 23 and under. I'd also be cool with just a college all-stars team. We may lose, but I think our collective American ego can live with a loss if we're talking amateurs/very young professional athletes.

    You know what happened the last time two times collegiates and amateurs lost in the Olympics?

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    I don't think there's any chance of the USA not fielding a team of stars (that want to be there) ever again.

  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    badpoet wrote: »
    So, the Olympics. I'm kind of liking Stern's idea of only allowing 23 and under. I'd also be cool with just a college all-stars team. We may lose, but I think our collective American ego can live with a loss if we're talking amateurs/very young professional athletes.

    You know what happened the last time two times collegiates and amateurs lost in the Olympics?

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    08_moly_team.jpg

    I don't think there's any chance of the USA not fielding a team of stars (that want to be there) ever again.

    I'd be fine with alternating pro/Dream Teams with 23/under teams every other event.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    Also from that pic, Bosh APPEARS to be slightly taller than Dwight... dang I never knew.

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  • y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Pros for the Olympics, amateurs for that other competition would be fine with me

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  • KasynKasyn I'm not saying I don't like our chances. She called me the master.Registered User regular
    Why does J Kidd get to hold the ball? That's some bullshit.

  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Also, what do you mean by "the last 2 times"? Ever since the first dream team the US has been fielding pros at every tournament.

  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    Kasyn wrote: »
    Why does J Kidd get to hold the ball? That's some bullshit.

    He's the veteran that everyone respected the most is my guess?

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  • y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Also from that pic, Bosh APPEARS to be slightly taller than Dwight... dang I never knew.

    Is that Tayshaun Prince who looks as tall as Dwight too? What

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    Yes. I knew he was tallish, but not THAT tall dang.

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  • MichelanvaloMichelanvalo Registered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Also, what do you mean by "the last 2 times"? Ever since the first dream team the US has been fielding pros at every tournament.

    88 was collegiates. They came in 3rd. Which wasn't good enough. Following that, in '89 FIBA allowed pros to play in the Olympics. And thusly the Dream Team was formed. When the 04 team was half NBA stars who didn't want to be there anyways and half scrubs that came away with the Bronze, the cycle started again. True to form in 08, they got the stars that cared about winning the Olympics in the mix.

    The only other time the USA didn't win was 72 in the screw job heard round the world.

  • PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Anthony Davis suffers severe ankle sprain. Who will be his replacement? Please speculate!

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Greg Stiemsma?

  • y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Chris Andersen

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    JAVALE AND BOOGIE!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSS.

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  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    Also from that pic, Bosh APPEARS to be slightly taller than Dwight... dang I never knew.

    That's all neck, though. The Bostrich towers over all.

    Make future olympic gold medalist Kevin Love play minutes at the 5 on the theory that he's not actually just 6 ' 8" tall (even though he totally really is). Or maybe give legit center and Georgetown product Roy Hibbert a call. Team America: World Ballers needs frontcourt size with all the PF/C's out due to injury lack of patriotism.

    At the very least, they'll have to cope with a double Gasol hassle in a more paced and possession-oriented half court international game, and Spain is looking to beat some ass anyway even with Rubio out. We need size. Tall people. Not short people. Tall people. Let this milquetoast, white man afro Randy Newman classic convince you of this.

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  • KasynKasyn I'm not saying I don't like our chances. She called me the master.Registered User regular
    Joe Johnson to Brooklyn, for a 1st round pick and a bunch of garbage.

    Interesting.

  • y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Deron, Joe Johnson, and Dwight? Is that team actually good?

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    Considering Dwight + 4 semi-talents players makes the playoffs each year, probably? If they can keep Brooks + those 3 guys, they're probably better than the Knicks at least, right?

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  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    At first I thought the Nets could just amnesty Joe Johnson if the contract got too onerous, but if you too were wondering the same thing, the answer is no. Evidently they already used up their amnesty on Travis Outlaw last December. So uh...enjoy paying Joe Johnson 90 million over the next 4 years with full salary cap consequences, Brooklyn... :shock:

    I guess the good news is they didn't give up anything valuable to get him? Aside from half a decade's worth of cap flexibility and a chance to sign Dwight Howard, that is. Wow.

    Wow.

  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    Yea it is insane. And he is OLDish... it's not like getting him at age 26 for 90 mil.

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  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    Considering Dwight + 4 semi-talents players makes the playoffs each year, probably? If they can keep Brooks + those 3 guys, they're probably better than the Knicks at least, right?

    No question. The Nets have some non-awful young wing talent, and they kept it all in the Joe Johnson trade. (They didn't even get Marshon Brooks? Yeah, Atlanta is scared to death of the luxury tax...). Anthony Morrow is sort of a loss, but Johnson is a big upgrade over him, overpaid or no.

    I'm interested in the Johnson pickup because I think it kills all chances of Dwight going to Brooklyn this season, until more expiring contracts come off the table. Orlando won't even talk to the Nets' FO, so I assume Brooklyn is just trying to stay competitive with this move and keep fans energized for that first all-important year at a new locale, while they wait out Dwight's last year and try to sign him then.

  • KasynKasyn I'm not saying I don't like our chances. She called me the master.Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    It's not like BroLo isn't a serviceable center, either. Assuming his foot injury doesn't plague him (it was a stress fracture, right?) as those things can.

    I think it could work out in their favor. I'm interested to see what Atlanta will pull with the rest of free agency as well.

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  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    1 - Deron

    2 - Johnson

    3 - Wallace

    4 - Humphries

    5 - Lopez


    With Marshon Brooks and Gerald Green as bench wings. No credible bench big yet, but that's still at least a 7th seed in the East. It's decent even without Dwight.

  • PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    devin harris to atlanta for marvin williams is a go it looks like

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  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    Considering Dwight + 4 semi-talents players makes the playoffs each year, probably? If they can keep Brooks + those 3 guys, they're probably better than the Knicks at least, right?

    No question. The Nets have some non-awful young wing talent, and they kept it all in the Joe Johnson trade. (They didn't even get Marshon Brooks? Yeah, Atlanta is scared to death of the luxury tax...). Anthony Morrow is sort of a loss, but Johnson is a big upgrade over him, overpaid or no.

    I'm interested in the Johnson pickup because I think it kills all chances of Dwight going to Brooklyn this season, until more expiring contracts come off the table. Orlando won't even talk to the Nets' FO, so I assume Brooklyn is just trying to stay competitive with this move and keep fans energized for that first all-important year at a new locale, while they wait out Dwight's last year and try to sign him then.

    Except they wont have any money left. If they resign Williams for between 14-18 million (which he will probably get) Then you have close to 50 million tied up in just Williams, Wallace, and Johnson. Even if they somehow managed to hold on to that last 8 million or so in cap space, no way Dwight signs for that little. It looks like this pretty much means no Dwight in Brooklyn. Maybe they could pull of a trade of Lopez + picks for Dwight, but Orlando shot that deal down last season, so I don't see them going for it now.

    More importantly, how awesome would it be if Portland actually steals one of the best up and coming centers from the cheap ass pacers? I'd be pretty stoked about a starting lineup of Lillard/Mathews/Batum/Aldridge/Hibbert. If Lillard can become a Westbrook like player, that is a serious contender. On a more realistic note, how pissed are people going to be when we end up not getting Hibbert, resigning Batum for way more than he's worth, and then not having any cap space to do anything else?

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  • PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    Yo, I'm a Weber grad so much congrats to Lillard but I think he's probably going to only be a decent starter at best. He went unreasonably high in the draft.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    When do we want to start our draft?

  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    Phonehand wrote: »
    Yo, I'm a Weber grad so much congrats to Lillard but I think he's probably going to only be a decent starter at best. He went unreasonably high in the draft.

    Hard to say either way. I don't really buy into the whole "he played against shitty competition so he's probably not very good" theory. He dominated low level competition, has gotten better every year, and seems to be a hard worker. Given that portland apparently blows at evaluating talent for the pg position I am a little worried, but I think he's shown enough to at least put his ceiling as high as Curry. Which would still be enough to make Portland a deep playoff team.

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    The only acceptable replacement for Anthony Davis is Dale Davis.

    And wow, for all the crap LeBron gets for The Decision, it's still a million times better than whatever the fuck Howard is doing.

  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    Jebus314 wrote: »
    Considering Dwight + 4 semi-talents players makes the playoffs each year, probably? If they can keep Brooks + those 3 guys, they're probably better than the Knicks at least, right?

    No question. The Nets have some non-awful young wing talent, and they kept it all in the Joe Johnson trade. (They didn't even get Marshon Brooks? Yeah, Atlanta is scared to death of the luxury tax...). Anthony Morrow is sort of a loss, but Johnson is a big upgrade over him, overpaid or no.

    I'm interested in the Johnson pickup because I think it kills all chances of Dwight going to Brooklyn this season, until more expiring contracts come off the table. Orlando won't even talk to the Nets' FO, so I assume Brooklyn is just trying to stay competitive with this move and keep fans energized for that first all-important year at a new locale, while they wait out Dwight's last year and try to sign him then.

    Except they wont have any money left. If they resign Williams for between 14-18 million (which he will probably get) Then you have close to 50 million tied up in just Williams, Wallace, and Johnson. Even if they somehow managed to hold on to that last 8 million or so in cap space, no way Dwight signs for that little. It looks like this pretty much means no Dwight in Brooklyn. Maybe they could pull of a trade of Lopez + picks for Dwight, but Orlando shot that deal down last season, so I don't see them going for it now.

    A couple of considerations:

    1.) Lopez can be extended to a max deal regardless of the Nets' cap situation, because they have his Bird rights, and then traded for Dwight outright. So while trying to retain the expensive Wallace and Johnson contracts may put the kibosh on a straight free agency signing of Howard, it in no way precludes him from getting traded to Brooklyn. It could theoretically happen tomorrow if all parties wanted to do it. There are no CBA / salary cap restrictions that prevent it at all.

    2.) This is, as you astutely pointed out, pretty much exactly the package that the Magic just spent a year saying no to. I'm not so sure they have the luxury of choice any longer. Things are reportedly souring daily between Howard and Magic management, he's begging for a trade...the Magic may end up regretting that (one of the worst GMs the league has seen in) Otis Smith refused to pull the trigger on a trade much earlier, because all bets now seem to be on an even worse version of the Brook Lopez package if indeed Howard is able to force his way to Brooklyn.

  • devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    I can't let a NBA thread start out without some Bostirch action.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Jebus314 wrote: »
    More importantly, how awesome would it be if Portland actually steals one of the best up and coming centers from the cheap ass pacers?

    Cheap ass Pacers? Are you kidding? Roy Hibbert is in no way, shape or form anywhere close to be worthy of a max contract - but this is what Portland is signing him to. I congratulate the Pacers for not getting sucked into this and letting him walk.

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    don't do it roy hibbert! you're young and you have a bright future ahead of you!

    anyway
    Hard to say either way. I don't really buy into the whole "he played against shitty competition so he's probably not very good" theory. He dominated low level competition, has gotten better every year, and seems to be a hard worker. Given that portland apparently blows at evaluating talent for the pg position I am a little worried, but I think he's shown enough to at least put his ceiling as high as Curry. Which would still be enough to make Portland a deep playoff team.

    My attitude about it was basically 'yeah, but who would I have drafted instead of him?' Neither barnes, ross or drummond particularly excites me. I guess maybe they could've taken barnes or ross and then marshall at eleven, but eh.

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  • y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Nets and Magic discussing a Howard trade that would include Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, Kris Humphries, and 2013, 2015, and 2017 first rounders. Brooklyn may have to take Hedo Turkoglu

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  • y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    That post just made me realize Brooklyn sure has a lot of Brooks.

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  • The Raging PlatypusThe Raging Platypus Registered User regular
    That would be just nucking futs. I'm not entirely sure why that package is in any way superior to whatever the Rockets were offering before the draft.

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