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Where to buy a new desktop

shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
edited July 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
It has been a really long time since I bought a new desktop. Does anyone have a site that they like? I could always go to Dell, I realize, but I hate how limited their options make me feel. If that's the best answer, though, then I'll manage. Any suggestions?

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Budget/usage? If you're not looking for a "gaming" PC, you're probably still fine with Dell or whatever. If you're looking for a higher-budget game-focused system (and don't want to build your own), we can try to point you to some stuff.

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    The Dell refurbs are actually not terrible for buying reasonably high end systems, I'm told.

    What is this I don't even.
  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    Browse around on newegg to see what fits your needs.

  • shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    Yeah, info might help. I'm looking to spend somewhere around $1000. Not looking for a total gaming machine, but I want it to have a real video card and such. Probably slightly better than middle of the road basically.

  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    For a grand you can build a killer rig. It's intimidating at first, but definitely not as difficult as it may seem at first. Check out this thread: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/23622107#Comment_23622107

    If you really don't want to build a rig, then find one and post it there anyway and have people critique it.

  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    If you want a good video card in a system the only way to get your money's worth is to build it yourself, which takes about an hour and a half for hardware and another hour to get software squared away. If you can play with legos, and use a screwdriver, you can build a computer easily. The forum is willing and eager to walk you through the process.

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  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    90% of shit for computers these days just plugs into only one place on the computer and resolves its own conflicts. For $1000, you can build a monster.

  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    Building your own computer is easy, fun, and so much cheaper.

    Do that.

    I just built a machine for about $1300 that will run anything like a dream, and a machine of similar specs will probably be cheaper for you since I'm assuming you're in the US.

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  • shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    I know how to build a computer, I've built this one. I just don't really have any interest in it. I realize I'll spend a little more to have someone else basically put it together but I'm okay with that.

  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    shadowane wrote: »
    I know how to build a computer, I've built this one. I just don't really have any interest in it. I realize I'll spend a little more to have someone else basically put it together but I'm okay with that.

    It's really worth it on a bang-for-buck analysis though - to use a beer analogy, it's like "Should I buy this case of Yuengling for $20, or a bunch of different Stone bottles for $20?"

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
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    shadowane wrote: »
    I know how to build a computer, I've built this one. I just don't really have any interest in it. I realize I'll spend a little more to have someone else basically put it together but I'm okay with that.

    Usually manufactured PCs end up being cheaper, due to the fact they buy massive quantities of each part and have people who's job is assembling all day every day.

    The advantage to self-assembly is ensuring every part is the one you want and that it is installed properly.

  • DarkwyndreDarkwyndre Registered User regular
    You can go to http://www.ibuypower.com or their other website with more choices http://www.cyberpowerpc.com and configure a system how you want it. You'll end up spending something like 10% more than what you would pay for parts plus $125+ in shipping, but it will come to you ready to go. You'll spend more but you get to specify each part that you want and avoid doing the assembly yourself.
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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Ruckus wrote: »
    shadowane wrote: »
    I know how to build a computer, I've built this one. I just don't really have any interest in it. I realize I'll spend a little more to have someone else basically put it together but I'm okay with that.

    Usually manufactured PCs end up being cheaper, due to the fact they buy massive quantities of each part and have people who's job is assembling all day every day.

    The advantage to self-assembly is ensuring every part is the one you want and that it is installed properly.

    What? I don't think I've seen an off the shelf computer that was as flexible or capable as a custom built one at the same price.
    Maybe, if you're looking at a low end internet and e-mail machine then you could pick up a Wal-mart special and save a few bucks, but it wouldn't be as upgradable as one you built yourself (fewer expansion slots, weaker power supply, limited RAM capability).

    The big downside of manufactured PCs is that they always come preloaded with so much BS sludgeware on them. All costs being equal, I'd prefer to spend my time building a machine rather then cleaning that preloaded crap off one. It might just be me though.

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  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    Ruckus wrote: »
    shadowane wrote: »
    I know how to build a computer, I've built this one. I just don't really have any interest in it. I realize I'll spend a little more to have someone else basically put it together but I'm okay with that.

    Usually manufactured PCs end up being cheaper, due to the fact they buy massive quantities of each part and have people who's job is assembling all day every day.

    The advantage to self-assembly is ensuring every part is the one you want and that it is installed properly.

    What? I don't think I've seen an off the shelf computer that was as flexible or capable as a custom built one at the same price.
    Maybe, if you're looking at a low end internet and e-mail machine then you could pick up a Wal-mart special and save a few bucks, but it wouldn't be as upgradable as one you built yourself (fewer expansion slots, weaker power supply, limited RAM capability).

    The big downside of manufactured PCs is that they always come preloaded with so much BS sludgeware on them. All costs being equal, I'd prefer to spend my time building a machine rather then cleaning that preloaded crap off one. It might just be me though.

    +1 Dollar for dollar in new (read: not refurbs) hardware you will come out ahead with a custom build nearly every time. The big exception is a copy of Windows as that is usually what hurts you when building yourself as its a $100 add on whereas OEMs have bulk deals with M$.

    Stop by the build thread and just say hey I wanted to see what my budget (insert $$$ here) would get me if I built it myself vs buying it and I would be using this computer for (gaming, browsing, heavy GPU rendering, heavy processing...insert what you were doing here) and you'll get plenty of answers on what would work in your budget.

    Building a rig isn't very hard, if your qualified to use a manual screwdriver and grasp the concept of the square peg goes in the square hole, and the round peg goes in the round hole, and of course the very hard to figure out how to move a lever then you'll be able to do it. It really is very simple and if you have any issues the build thread can give you quick answers no matter how stupid the solution might be (read: did you remember to plug in the power cable).

    It can't hurt to just ask the build thread and see what your budget could get you vs pre-built.

  • EsseeEssee The pinkest of hair. Victoria, BCRegistered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    The big downside of manufactured PCs is that they always come preloaded with so much BS sludgeware on them. All costs being equal, I'd prefer to spend my time building a machine rather then cleaning that preloaded crap off one. It might just be me though.

    Well at least for that problem, this kind of tool exists to get rid of most of it. I mean, I do agree with you, the fact that they shove the stuff on your computer is stupid, but at least there are solutions for that now.

  • CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    Cyberpower has been good for a couple of my friends who didn't' want to build their own.

  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    iRevert wrote: »
    Building a rig isn't very hard, if your qualified to use a manual screwdriver and grasp the concept of the square peg goes in the square hole, and the round peg goes in the round hole, and of course the very hard to figure out how to move a lever then you'll be able to do it. It really is very simple and if you have any issues the build thread can give you quick answers no matter how stupid the solution might be (read: did you remember to plug in the power cable).

    Speaking for myself, the first time I ran into a bad part out of the box (a video card, in my case), I wasted so much time tracking down the faulty component and getting it RMAed, shipped back and replaced that I don't think it was worth it. Nowadays my time is more valuable, and I'd consider paying a few hundred dollars just to avoid spending a few hours installing Windows and applying service packs and updates. If I had kids it probably wouldn't even be a question.

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    I know know a couple people too many who had bad experiences with ibuypower and the like; when I ordered my new one I went with these dudes. Their website is a little bit obnoxious, but I got to trade a few emails with the guy who was assembling mine, and he actually wound up saving me fifty bucks or so.

    It was more than I'd have paid if I parted it out myself and waited on newegg sales and so on, but the margin wasn't that large over straight retail prices.

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  • Mom2KatMom2Kat Registered User regular
    My last comp and my husbands new one we use NCIX and do the system builder bit. It comes put together and we just test and install the OS ourselves. Also much cheaper if you are just doing the tower and don't need a moniter. I still use my 19inch widescreen, it fits on my desk.

    My last computer from them was in 2007 and was ~700 with the shippping, its still going well

  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    Honestly, when buying parts, there's no reason to go with anyone but Amazon. Fast shipping (as opposed to Newegg's 2-3 day processing time) and they have pretty much the exact same inventory. If you have Amazon Prime, even better.

  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    Esh wrote: »
    Honestly, when buying parts, there's no reason to go with anyone but Amazon. Fast shipping (as opposed to Newegg's 2-3 day processing time) and they have pretty much the exact same inventory. If you have Amazon Prime, even better.

    Tax though. Plus I haven't had any issues with Newegg's shipping. It's pretty fast to me (but I do live near their NJ warehouse)

  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    edited July 2012
    shadowane wrote:
    It has been a really long time since I bought a new desktop. Does anyone have a site that they like? I could always go to Dell, I realize, but I hate how limited their options make me feel. If that's the best answer, though, then I'll manage. Any suggestions?

    I came to the 'PC Building Thread' over in Moe's Technology Tavern in May, 2012 and the fine gentlemen there walked me through step by step on what parts to get and how to put them all together. I ended up spending $1500 with my original budget being $2000 and I'm told that my rig is a complete beast.

    It really is not difficult and my questions while assembling the machine were answered literally in minutes. As with my questions regarding networking, software, and proper SSD maintenance. It's really quite the thread - I can't say enough good things about it.

    Also, there are generalized computer build guides you can find at ArsTechnica.com that walk you through of what component to put together at what time.

    Case - Antec Performance One Series P280 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    CPU - Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 Processor
    MOBO - P8Z77-V PRO LGA 1155 Z77 ATX Intel Motherboard
    GPU - ASUS GTX670-DC2-2GD5 GeForce GTX 670 2GB
    RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) x 2
    SSD - Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2 2.5" 256GB SATA 6.0Gb/s
    HDD - 1TB 7200 RPM SATA Samsung F3 Spinpoint
    DVD - ASUS 24X DVD Burner
    PSU - CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX650 650W

    Then a nice Asus monitor, keyboard, and speakers that were on sale.

    One last piece of advice, take everything you want from Newegg.com and put it into your 'Wishlist' and you'll get these random e-mails with coupon codes. They sent me one for 30% off of the RAM i wanted on a random Thursday night and another for the PSU. It was really neat.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Honestly, when buying parts, there's no reason to go with anyone but Amazon. Fast shipping (as opposed to Newegg's 2-3 day processing time) and they have pretty much the exact same inventory. If you have Amazon Prime, even better.

    Tax though. Plus I haven't had any issues with Newegg's shipping. It's pretty fast to me (but I do live near their NJ warehouse)

    Tax? On Amazon?

  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Esh wrote: »
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Honestly, when buying parts, there's no reason to go with anyone but Amazon. Fast shipping (as opposed to Newegg's 2-3 day processing time) and they have pretty much the exact same inventory. If you have Amazon Prime, even better.

    Tax though. Plus I haven't had any issues with Newegg's shipping. It's pretty fast to me (but I do live near their NJ warehouse)

    Tax? On Amazon?

    Yeah? Is this not a thing Oregon? Because in NY I get charged tax on Amazon. It's quite tragic, as I'd be doing a whole lot more shopping there if not for the taxes.

    Edit: come to think of it, most online retailers charge tax now in NY. I think it's due to some stupid legislation.
    But NewEgg somehow did away with it a while back.

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  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Double

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Honestly, when buying parts, there's no reason to go with anyone but Amazon. Fast shipping (as opposed to Newegg's 2-3 day processing time) and they have pretty much the exact same inventory. If you have Amazon Prime, even better.

    Tax though. Plus I haven't had any issues with Newegg's shipping. It's pretty fast to me (but I do live near their NJ warehouse)

    Tax? On Amazon?

    Yeah? Is this not a thing Oregon? Because in NY I get charged tax on Amazon. It's quite tragic, as I'd be doing a whole lot more shopping there if not for the taxes.

    Edit: come to think of it, most online retailers charge tax now in NY. I think it's due to some stupid legislation.
    But NewEgg somehow did away with it a while back.

    Well, we don't pay sales tax on anything, but I think it's just a few states that do for online retailers.

  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    the tax online thing in ny is recent legislation

    is lame

    poo
  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    It all depends on what state you live in.

  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    One last piece of advice, take everything you want from Newegg.com and put it into your 'Wishlist' and you'll get these random e-mails with coupon codes. They sent me one for 30% off of the RAM i wanted on a random Thursday night and another for the PSU. It was really neat.

    You must've gotten lucky. I've had multiple Newegg wish lists and never seen a coupon.

  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    I do get quite a lot of coupons for useful stuff like hard drives and RAM. Maybe not those that are on a wishlist, but still nice savings.

  • EsseeEssee The pinkest of hair. Victoria, BCRegistered User regular
    Esh wrote: »
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Honestly, when buying parts, there's no reason to go with anyone but Amazon. Fast shipping (as opposed to Newegg's 2-3 day processing time) and they have pretty much the exact same inventory. If you have Amazon Prime, even better.

    Tax though. Plus I haven't had any issues with Newegg's shipping. It's pretty fast to me (but I do live near their NJ warehouse)

    Tax? On Amazon?

    I want to chime in here with the fact that my mom just ordered a camera from Amazon and would indeed have had to pay like $30 in tax on it. We live in Washington, and one of Amazon's locations is in Seattle, so naturally we have to pay sales tax since it's in the same state. Sneakily, if you buy from one of the guys that's "fulfilled by Amazon" at the exact same price, you can basically get it shipped from exactly the same place without paying tax if that retailer isn't from your state, haha. It shipped straight from Seattle. Anyway, other than that last little trick we figured out, Amazon is just like any other online retailer in that regard; if you live in the same state as one of their physical locations, you're gonna get taxed (unless there's a state rule specifically against that, I guess, but I doubt it). My mom and I joked that we should've thought about the fact that we'd pay tax on stuff from Amazon before we moved up here. Ironically, we used to live in California, so we always had to pay tax when we ordered stuff from Newegg before this instead... figures. :P So yes, tax can definitely be a concern even if your state doesn't charge tax for everything online (like New York). I'd be surprised if Oregon was an exception to this rule.

  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    Oregon does not have a sales tax.

  • CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    Newegg ships same day for me 100% of the time, without paying the extra 3 bucks for rush.

  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Essee wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Honestly, when buying parts, there's no reason to go with anyone but Amazon. Fast shipping (as opposed to Newegg's 2-3 day processing time) and they have pretty much the exact same inventory. If you have Amazon Prime, even better.

    Tax though. Plus I haven't had any issues with Newegg's shipping. It's pretty fast to me (but I do live near their NJ warehouse)

    Tax? On Amazon?

    I want to chime in here with the fact that my mom just ordered a camera from Amazon and would indeed have had to pay like $30 in tax on it. We live in Washington, and one of Amazon's locations is in Seattle, so naturally we have to pay sales tax since it's in the same state. Sneakily, if you buy from one of the guys that's "fulfilled by Amazon" at the exact same price, you can basically get it shipped from exactly the same place without paying tax if that retailer isn't from your state, haha. It shipped straight from Seattle. Anyway, other than that last little trick we figured out, Amazon is just like any other online retailer in that regard; if you live in the same state as one of their physical locations, you're gonna get taxed (unless there's a state rule specifically against that, I guess, but I doubt it). My mom and I joked that we should've thought about the fact that we'd pay tax on stuff from Amazon before we moved up here. Ironically, we used to live in California, so we always had to pay tax when we ordered stuff from Newegg before this instead... figures. :P So yes, tax can definitely be a concern even if your state doesn't charge tax for everything online (like New York). I'd be surprised if Oregon was an exception to this rule.

    Nothing ships out of Oregon via Amazon (I buy a TON of stuff from them) and we don't have sales tax on anything (online or at the store) anyway. Lucky us.

    We digress though.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    kaliyama wrote: »
    shadowane wrote: »
    I know how to build a computer, I've built this one. I just don't really have any interest in it. I realize I'll spend a little more to have someone else basically put it together but I'm okay with that.

    It's really worth it on a bang-for-buck analysis though - to use a beer analogy, it's like "Should I buy this case of Yuengling for $20, or a bunch of different Stone bottles for $20?"

    This brings up an important thought: any friends of yours good with building computers? Maybe see if you order the parts and give this friend a case of beer he'll help build it or set it up?

  • DkKinglyDkKingly Registered User regular
    I know know a couple people too many who had bad experiences with ibuypower and the like; when I ordered my new one I went with these dudes. Their website is a little bit obnoxious, but I got to trade a few emails with the guy who was assembling mine, and he actually wound up saving me fifty bucks or so.

    It was more than I'd have paid if I parted it out myself and waited on newegg sales and so on, but the margin wasn't that large over straight retail prices.

    I got my rig from Ironsidecomputers.com too . Really good PC works great no problems and I got a great price too. I will be using them for my future PC purchases so I recommend them to anyone who is looking around.

  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    Esh wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    One last piece of advice, take everything you want from Newegg.com and put it into your 'Wishlist' and you'll get these random e-mails with coupon codes. They sent me one for 30% off of the RAM i wanted on a random Thursday night and another for the PSU. It was really neat.

    You must've gotten lucky. I've had multiple Newegg wish lists and never seen a coupon.

    I've had the same thing happen. Once when it was in my checkout, the other on a wishlist. Once after ordering a monitor, they gave me single use coupons for computer upgrades. Mostly things like flash drives, RAM, power supplies, cables, mouse, etc. Never saw a juicy one for CPU or graphics card. The codes are tied to your account, so they can't be shared, either.

    In other words, Newegg is definitely watching your viewing habits. It doesn't hurt to throw things in wishlists or your shopping cart when logged into your account, because they might kick in an extra 10% or so to help push the sale.

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  • shadowaneshadowane Registered User regular
    DkKingly wrote: »
    I know know a couple people too many who had bad experiences with ibuypower and the like; when I ordered my new one I went with these dudes. Their website is a little bit obnoxious, but I got to trade a few emails with the guy who was assembling mine, and he actually wound up saving me fifty bucks or so.

    It was more than I'd have paid if I parted it out myself and waited on newegg sales and so on, but the margin wasn't that large over straight retail prices.

    I got my rig from Ironsidecomputers.com too . Really good PC works great no problems and I got a great price too. I will be using them for my future PC purchases so I recommend them to anyone who is looking around.
    Cool thanks. I spec'ed out a really good computer here yesterday so I may go with them.

    To everyone, appreciate the suggestions!

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Esh wrote: »
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    Honestly, when buying parts, there's no reason to go with anyone but Amazon. Fast shipping (as opposed to Newegg's 2-3 day processing time) and they have pretty much the exact same inventory. If you have Amazon Prime, even better.

    Tax though. Plus I haven't had any issues with Newegg's shipping. It's pretty fast to me (but I do live near their NJ warehouse)

    Tax? On Amazon?

    Yeah? Is this not a thing Oregon? Because in NY I get charged tax on Amazon. It's quite tragic, as I'd be doing a whole lot more shopping there if not for the taxes.

    Edit: come to think of it, most online retailers charge tax now in NY. I think it's due to some stupid legislation.
    But NewEgg somehow did away with it a while back.

    Well, we don't pay sales tax on anything, but I think it's just a few states that do for online retailers.

    Just a, uh, heads up, but legally you owe taxes on amazon purchases no matter what state you live in. It's just that some states have forced amazon to charge tax or report sales to them, while some are still relying on self reporting.

    What is this I don't even.
  • MichelanvaloMichelanvalo Registered User regular
    The way that it works in Mass if that if the company has a brick and mortar location, whether it be a store or a warehouse or a service center, then the online retailer must charge you tax. So for example, Target, whose online purchasing is powered by Amazon, charges me tax when I buy online from them. But Amazon, does not since their closest warehouse is in NJ.

    Going back to the computer build though, the major issue with preboxed machines is that often the vendors have wacky mother board layouts and strange modular case designs that make working in them a total bitch. They also often use OEM components that you simply can't replace on your own. The Dell PCs here at my office are a bitch and a half to work on the components, where as all my home built PCs are easy as pie since it's universal. So just be wary of that.

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