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[Presidential Election 2012] Batmitt vs. Bain: Whitefall
Atomika
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Wow, that last thread moved really fast. Okay. Well, here's the clean slate. Talking points:
- Mitt Romney might be worth a kajillion dollars. No one really knows how much. Forbes Magazine estimates that Romney is worth about $250 million, but that doesn't account for his properties, any international investments, or his off-shore tax havens, the latter of which is speculated to be worth well over $100 million dollars. Mitt Romney may very well be worth a half-billion dollars.
- Joe Biden thinks Mitt Romney is scared to release old tax returns because they would show that he makes so much money his stated annual income of $22 million would look paltry.
- Mitt Romney says that he shouldn't be blamed for the "blind" investments he made with Bain Capital and other companies. I guess that includes the money that went to his son's company.
- VP hopeful Chris Christie vows to uphold the pointless, ineffectual, harmful war on drugs. Because he is an idiot.
- Mitt Romney might be worth a kajillion dollars. No one really knows how much. Forbes Magazine estimates that Romney is worth about $250 million, but that doesn't account for his properties, any international investments, or his off-shore tax havens, the latter of which is speculated to be worth well over $100 million dollars. Mitt Romney may very well be worth a half-billion dollars.
- Joe Biden thinks Mitt Romney is scared to release old tax returns because they would show that he makes so much money his stated annual income of $22 million would look paltry.
- Mitt Romney says that he shouldn't be blamed for the "blind" investments he made with Bain Capital and other companies. I guess that includes the money that went to his son's company.
- VP hopeful Chris Christie vows to uphold the pointless, ineffectual, harmful war on drugs. Because he is an idiot.
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I don't support Obama's current position on the matter either, but Christie is doing more than supporting enforcement of existing laws, he's saying that he supports the existing laws and is unwilling to entertain notions to the contrary. You know, despite the overwhelming evidence that the war on drugs is not just ineffectual, but counter to its own aims.
You realize until the laws change the DOJ still has to uphold federal laws right? And I don't recall Obama running on the opposite during the campaign, indeed his DOJ has actually worked to make drug laws more even with regards to crack cocaine and powdered cocaine. So he's not fully in support of the Drug war.
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Seems to me they're about the same, Obama's was the administration that at first wasn't going to harass state legal dispensaries, but then either the DoJ and/or DEA went rogue or whatever, but he took an abrupt turn the other way on it. And Obama's stance appears to be the exact same as what you paraphrase Christie's as, at least if we were to take the comical stonewalling every time someone from the DEA speaks before congress.
Well, from what he's said in the past couple weeks Christie's actual position seems to be that he's opposed to any form of decriminalizing, but he also thinks the War on Drugs™ is a failure and is in favor of mandatory treatment for first-time non-violent offenders. I guess all of that is internally consistent, but it sure does get right up to the edge of self-contradictory.
Right. You can't hold both of those positions at the same time. You can't say, "Fighting the War on Drugs is pointless and I'm going to do everything in my power to ensure that nothing about it ever changes."
I don't think it's impossible to both be against decriminalization while also being in favor of treatment first then jail.
But this isn't the Chris Christie thread (I think this is getting a bit too far into the weeds to still qualify as discussion of him as a potential veep).
And also, goddammit Ross stop making me defend this piece of crap. :oops:
If he can focus on campaign finance or worker protections I think he will.
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I mean, even if he gets a second term (which I sincerely hope is the case), if Americans also shackle him to a heavily GOP House/Senate, he's not going to get shit through again.
Exactly, which is why its important to vote local democrat and national, it does no good to put a good executive in if the legislative is just sending him more derp bortion bills.
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I believe he has hinted at immigration reform as one of his major areas to work on in a second term. I'm wondering if education and infrastructure will be the other main things he focuses on. Infrastructure and education would also cover most clean energy initiatives (education for better R&D, infrastructure to implement tech and practices that address some of the concerns dealing with energy).
Corporations are people, money is speech, and you're not allowed to limit "people's" "speech" is the law of the land.
I hate to say it, but that's probably true. I don't see enough politicians willing to give up the benefits of CU anytime soon and all the corrupting money will make it easy for corporations and wealthy shitbags like the Douche brothers to stone wall any amendment attempts.
@pantsb hopefully it's not just us looking at the polls going FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu
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It would surprise me if it was. It'd be an end-of-term thing because it'd be hard to whip up support for it. We definitely need it though.
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I've noticed this tack from some trolls. They are trying to equate Romney's tax returns to obama's birth certificate, completely ignoring they still don't think Obama is a natural citizen, and he alone has had to go above and beyond normal procedure to prove this to derpers. Where as tax returns are normally supplied by canidates in modern times and Romney's refusal to do so hints that he's got something truely to hide.
But its the GOP false equivelence is like breathing.
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I don't even think he has anything to hide (like illegal or huge scandal hide) vs. he doesn't want to deal with the likely fallout of just how rich he is, just how little tax he really pays, and just how many legal loopholes he uses to pull that low tax rate off. For Mitt, it's especially bad though, because it was his own father who started the modern tax return trend.
The truth in both cases, Obama or Romney, is they will never be able to release enough to satisfy people anyway.
Romney, who fled the country to avoid the draft? Seriously how has that not been brought up.
Romney served the country in his own way... By trying to convert the French to Mormonism.
Regarding his tax returns. While I don't like to admit it, if Romney released five or six years of returns and nothing abnormal was found, I would be one of those who would find it difficult to believe.
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Look chief, dude was on a religious mission......living in a castle....in France.
Sadly, America is a Christian nation. Gosh Taramoor, try to keep up!
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On topic:
Marc Ambinder formerly of the Atlantic and now I forget where reported it was last week.
Republicans have talked about how terrifyingly liberal four years of Obama without a re-election to worry about would be.
I fucking hope so.
We read the words earlier, now you can hear them from the man himself.
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He can feel free to drag the administration leftward socially whenever he wants as well
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