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Marvel NOW! - Welcome to the Future of the Marvel Universe (GO TO NEW THREAD)

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    See I actually buy that just fine

    Way going OH MAN THIS SUPER BADASS TEAM YES I CAN PUT THEM TOGETHER IN THE SAME BOOK and then forgetting to actually give them a compelling reason to exist is something I can see happening quite easily

    I mean the dude created Daken. Who, admittedly, later became an awesome character. But when he first showed up it was basically Wolverine has a son with some sick tats and a mohawk and also a wristclaw, fuckers.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Wasn't Secret Avengers already Black Ops dodginess

    wasn't that the whole point

    why give it Way and Dillon WHYYY

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    I wonder how long it'll be before we have a black black ops team, which is to say a black ops team that does all the ops that the other black ops teams can't handle.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Well we already know that Secret Avengers is coming back next year.


    So not very long at all

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    Undercover Four Blacktastic Ops


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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I am so bummed by the new Secret Avengers

    a spy book starring Fury, Coulson, Widow, Hawkeye and Bucky sounds fucking rad

    but Nick Spencer can't help himself and gets super preachy when writing stuff like this and I had hoped he could rein himself in but whoops nope he got all preachy in the preview story

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    UltimateInfernoUltimateInferno Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

    Munch had a hilarious idea for that using Hank Pym.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I am so bummed by the new Secret Avengers

    a spy book starring Fury, Coulson, Widow, Hawkeye and Bucky sounds fucking rad

    but Nick Spencer can't help himself and gets super preachy when writing stuff like this and I had hoped he could rein himself in but whoops nope he got all preachy in the preview story

    Does that mean Winter Soldier is ending?

    Because if so it sucks

    Winter Soldier is great and I don't want to read about Nick Boring and Phil Snore

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I am so bummed by the new Secret Avengers

    a spy book starring Fury, Coulson, Widow, Hawkeye and Bucky sounds fucking rad

    but Nick Spencer can't help himself and gets super preachy when writing stuff like this and I had hoped he could rein himself in but whoops nope he got all preachy in the preview story

    Does that mean Winter Soldier is ending?

    Because if so it sucks

    Winter Soldier is great and I don't want to read about Nick Boring and Phil Snore

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    No, Winter Soldier is still going on. It is just that Bucky is also in Secret Avengers.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Nick Dreary and Phil Boreson.

    Christ, if you're going to do it, do it RIGHT.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

    Devin Grayson kind of did that for her OYL Nightwing, but it was terrible like 85% of her run.

    And it kinda happened in Avengers/Thunderbolts that Waid wrote, where Tony went undercover as Cobalt Man but it was more a subplot.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    good work there Undead Scottsman

    exactly Nick Dreary and Phil Boreson!

    also wooo Winter Soldier

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I am so bummed by the new Secret Avengers

    a spy book starring Fury, Coulson, Widow, Hawkeye and Bucky sounds fucking rad

    but Nick Spencer can't help himself and gets super preachy when writing stuff like this and I had hoped he could rein himself in but whoops nope he got all preachy in the preview story

    Preachy how?

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    "America is going downhill and we are all bloated and lazy and blah blah"

    It isn't entirely inaccurate but dude I just want to read fun spy books

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

    Devin Grayson kind of did that for her OYL Nightwing, but it was terrible like 85% of her run.

    And it kinda happened in Avengers/Thunderbolts that Waid wrote, where Tony went undercover as Cobalt Man but it was more a subplot.

    That wasn't OYL Nightwing. OYL Nightwing was Bruce Jones's abomination

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    Basically

    we know the world sucks Nick

    you don't have to tell us all the time

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Keith wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

    Devin Grayson kind of did that for her OYL Nightwing, but it was terrible like 85% of her run.

    And it kinda happened in Avengers/Thunderbolts that Waid wrote, where Tony went undercover as Cobalt Man but it was more a subplot.

    That wasn't OYL Nightwing. OYL Nightwing was Bruce Jones's abomination

    My bad, wasn't there a time skip with the mafia thing too? Dixon's great Year One story and then undercover mafia?

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    See I actually buy that just fine

    Way going OH MAN THIS SUPER BADASS TEAM YES I CAN PUT THEM TOGETHER IN THE SAME BOOK and then forgetting to actually give them a compelling reason to exist is something I can see happening quite easily

    I mean the dude created Daken. Who, admittedly, later became an awesome character. But when he first showed up it was basically Wolverine has a son with some sick tats and a mohawk and also a wristclaw, fuckers.

    One day they are going to write a book where someone fights a weapon x guy who just spends four pages snkting claws from his arm. Dude just staring in disbelief the entire time shocked at this stunning twist.

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    ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    Claws from the claws dimension.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Nah, it'll be Wolverine's long lost brother who extrudes several thousand adamantium spikes out of his back.

    He'll be named Porcupine.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Dont you get it Logan? It was you! You created claws!

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    BullioBullio Registered User regular
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

    I think the original X-Factor, when they called themselves the X-Terminators, was something like this.

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    Sort of. They pretended to be mutant hunters.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    isn't incognito that book

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Incognito is pretty great

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    White ops teams. For when bad people want to do good things but can't.

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    Langly wrote: »
    isn't incognito that book

    Is it? I don't recall finishing the first series.

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

    That was the whole original concept of Batman and the Outsiders v2 that Outsiders v3 set up where Batman was going to be mission control by com link and the team became double-agent supervillians/terrorists/etc to shut down criminal organizations from deep inside. DC after getting the first three or four issue previews before it started decided it was too 'dark', delayed it, and changed the writer from Tony Bedard who was going to write that story to Chuck Dixon who made it into just another dumb yet another team book while also mostly ignoring the history/character growth from the previous issues in Outsiders v3.

    I was kinda upset when that happened because it was my most looked forward to comic book.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    isn't incognito that book

    Is it? I don't recall finishing the first series.

    yeah he goes undercover as a bad guy

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    and I mean he is a former bad guy as well so it's like a bad guy who becomes good and then pretends to be bad again

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    To Catch A Thief

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    Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Hickman's Avengers is going to knock my shit well and truly out

    got a friend who writes about comics, he got his review copy already

    he confirms that this is what hickman's avengers does

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    isn't incognito that book

    not....really? the second one maybe but i'd say Sleeper is about a good guy pretending to be a bad guy before Incognito

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    AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited December 2012
    Has there ever been a superhero comic that does a reverse thunderbolts? Like good guy pretends to be a super villain and is the main character of the book? I'm sure there had but blanking on one right now? Like I know side characters have done it, but not sure if it's been done as the driving conflict.
    PS I bet Reminder could sure write that concept.

    Check out Brubaker and Phillips' Sleeper. It does the concept so well.

    There's two trades for the whole thing and the Omnibus comes out March 2013!

    http://www.amazon.com/Sleeper-Omnibus-Ed-Brubaker/dp/1401238033/ref=sr_1_fed0_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354634594&sr=1-2&keywords=brubaker+sleeper

    EDIT: Damn, beat by two hours.

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I am so bummed by the new Secret Avengers

    a spy book starring Fury, Coulson, Widow, Hawkeye and Bucky sounds fucking rad

    but Nick Spencer can't help himself and gets super preachy when writing stuff like this and I had hoped he could rein himself in but whoops nope he got all preachy in the preview story

    It's the whole memory-suppressing part of the team's concept that gives me pause.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Well that ties into it too

    The idea of SHIELD having a team of spy superheroes? Great!

    SHIELD being a hilariously DEEP MORAL GRAY AREA government organization who mindwipes these heroes that would probably be happy to help anyways? Significantly less great!

    The thing above written by Nick Spencer? Please god no

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I'd read it but I'm busy sticking angry wasps up my arse that day

    anyway Hickman already did the best secret SHIELD superheroes book anyway

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