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LGBTT: It's Raining DOMA Rulings! (It's for Thread)
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That's a terrible way of putting it. You could just tell the Governor off without actively supporting CFA. You don't go donating to Westboro Baptist when someone tries to shut them up.
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That's just the fry cook flirting with you.
Church's is great if you're poor. But really, no one should be able to buy 16 pieces of chicken and two sides for five dollars.
We had two street long traffic jams outside Chik Fil a.
At KFC.
Steam
Yeah, I don't go there anymore after they gave the meal I ordered to someone else because of my race and told me I'd have to wait for them to cook another one.
That's a good point. It doesn't make big headlines though.
First off, sorry for being like an hour late.
Anyway, I know that, and I think everyone in this thread knows that. That's how things are, but we're primarily concerned with how they should be. That characters are always gendered to be heterosexual is both understandable and deeply unfortunate.
I just got browbeat by him because I give him shit for eating at chik-fil-a. His final argument boiled down to the fact that he didn't care about collective action problems, he didn't care about the perfect solution fallacy, and most of all he didn't see the benefit of keeping (maybe) a single penny from anti-marriage groups in exchange for not eating his favorite sandwich.
This isn't a dumb guy. He's insanely smart and very political. And this isn't the first time we've had this argument. I sometimes wonder if I ought to just go get one of the sandwiches as well. Sigh.
Either way it doesn't matter. Not buying someone's product is not suppressing their rights somehow. People are free to say what they want and I'm free to call them butts and go somewhere else.
Well, it suggests he gets more out of eating the more desirable sandwich than he loses from his own contributions to CFA. Which undoubtedly he does, we're in Drake equation territory for the latter.
Does he vote? That's a total waste of time for the same reason.
And both Disney and Pixar have been ahead of the curve on their treatment of gay employees, so it's not like these movies are coming from some deep homophobia on the part of their corporate leadership.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Yeah.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Find out why he likes their food and propose an alternative. I mean there has to be another chicken place where you are right? People who argue like this generally just are emotionally invested in whatever their favorite purchase was (since it might be being used as a type of gratification for achieving goals, or just something done on bad days to improve their mood) and will switch if an alternative can be found that doesn't introduce too many new hassles.
I myself am now seriously considering Popeyes, even if it isn't nearly as close to me as KFC. (Never seen a Chick-fil-a so far myself.)
Not to go off on a tangent, but boycotting BP stations was stupid and only served to hurt local gas station owners and employees
Gas is fungible, it's like saying "fuck the left half of this glass of water, I'm going to boycott it and drink from the right half" - you could shut down every BP station in the country and not hurt BP's pocketbook. It's an entirely different situation here because chicken sandwiches are not fungible
And the people going to that place today aren't going to return.
Where as the people staying away will likely continue staying away.
He doesn't really care about collective action, then. Not sure if arguments will win him over.
Which, speaking of, I don't really get that viewpoint. Collective action is incredibly powerful. Boycotts, protests, voting, all of that is powerful, powerful stuff.
BP is a corporation with a heritage of horribleness. We're talking the company responsible for the modern Iranian state here.
Sucks for your friend, though.
Fuck those mayors, seriously. They're not helping.
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I was just about to post that. That is interesting as hell.
Steam
Ha!
I wonder if HQ will give them any backlash. Revoking a franchise agreement perhaps?
FTFY
Interesting though. Fear for that guy's job.
I'm sorry, that's bullshit.
Elected representatives have every right to speak their minds, certainly as much as a CEO. Until a permit gets denied "fuck the mayors" is ridiculous.
And even then I think there's a discussion to be had.
Intellect only guarantees that rationalizations will be more airtight. It's got fuck all to do with making appropriate decisions.
You know who did something illegal?
Rosa Parkes.
I think one of the issues people have is that companies give money to different lobbyist and special interest groups all the time, some of which are horrible (to us). The issue people have with Chik-Fil-A is that they are so openly blatant about the support now. Legally and ethically I don't think they are doing anything wrong. I personally support gay marriage and gay rights and will not be shopping there, but I do not actually think Chik-Fil-A is doing anything wrong with the stance, corporations do this shit all the time. So when people here one corporation getting called out for doing what corporations do, they get confused at the hublub, and so there is a backlash against it. I don't think this will hurt Chik-Fil-A in the long run, the same way the horrific abuses of chickens by KFC or the "beef" that McDonalds serves is any better.
Yeah, people think being smart means someone is likely to be right.
It often does, but it also means that when they're wrong they'll be extremely capable in their defense of it. Either that or it means they'll face crippling worry about being wrong all the time and never state a strong opinion.
Public official have made statements saying that they will block the establishment of Chick-fil-A in their towns.
I was against public officials making statements saying that they'll block the establishment of a mosque in New York City.
So yeah, fuck those mayors. They can and should express their discontent with Chick-fil-A. They can and should tell people not to eat there. But they cannot and should not block or threaten to block or appear to block the establishment of a Chick-fil-A franchise location.
Do you think it's wrong that NYC has done as much as possible to block Walmart?