Due to a security update, you may have to reset your password. Don’t panic, nothing has gone wrong and your password is safe. If you don’t have access to that email, send Tube a message at [email protected] More info here: https://status.vanillaforums.com/incidents/2zdqxf3bt7mj
Our new Indie Games subforum is now open for business in G&T. Go and check it out, you might land a code for a free game. If you're developing an indie game and want to post about it, follow these directions. If you don't, he'll break your legs! Hahaha! Seriously though.

LGBTT: It's Raining DOMA Rulings! (It's for Thread)

12467100

Posts

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Eastern coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    While I don't really know enough about what's going on to discuss this fully, trying to block the establishment of a mosque is pretty clearly the government interfering with the free exercise of religion. Chick-fil-A is not a house of worship, so it's not implausible that someone would hold views that treat the things differently.

  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    poshniallo wrote: »
    Cities block and control the placement or presence of businesses all the time.

    If it's because they've donated to certain political campaigns, that's terrible. Government should control/block the placement/presence of business for better reasons. Preferably reasons that are actually lawful.

  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    At a state/local level, lawful can mean an awful lot of shit.

  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    Melkster wrote: »
    poshniallo wrote: »
    Cities block and control the placement or presence of businesses all the time.

    If it's because they've donated to certain political campaigns, that's terrible. Government should control/block the placement/presence of business for better reasons. Preferably reasons that are actually lawful.

    If a company was proudly touting that they donate to the KKK, would that be enough to block?

    No I don't.
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Yeah, blocking a business=/=blocking a religious building.

    Lh96QHG.png
  • kedinikkedinik Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    @Melkster I'm not sure what you think would be unlawful about elected officials blocking out businesses from setting up shop near constituents who dislike those businesses.

    Generally speaking, that sounds like a very reasonable role for local governments.

    kedinik on
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Also Mayor Meninio's letter says nothing about blocking a building permit.

    Nor did that PA city offical's letter.

    Are there new ones specifically saying "your application for a permit will be denied based on your comments"?

    Lh96QHG.png
  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Nope, they were just asked to reconsider moving into the cities.

    And even if they do end up preventing them from moving in, you can't stop them from opening because of their bigotry, but you can stop them from opening in any number of ways. I think it was this thread or the last one where I detailed some of the ways my own town has tweaked zoning to keep certain businesses out, and some of them are quite creative - we used to have a minimum distance between a restaurant and a veterinary clinic, for example, so that in most of the business districts a restaurant needs to get a variance before it can open. The actual process of getting a variance is frequently closed and there's not written rules on it (since it's a pass to break the rules), reasons for allowing/denying one are rarely given, and it's very hard to challenge if you're denied one.

    Hevach on
  • Fallout2manFallout2man Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Do you think it's wrong that NYC has done as much as possible to block Walmart?

    What is the official line on why? Having that kind of helps. ;p

    But really what's troublesome is this, if they do this and succeed we then get to worry about the G.O.P. Governors using that as an excuse to run any Democrat-owned businesses out of their states. They will retaliate and they will go over the top in a way only today's crop of G.O.P. could. The real question we need to be asking isn't so much one about morality but rather one of blowback. Do we have the ability to do this in a way that the response will not end up making America collectively worse?

    As long as these remain strongly-worded-letters-of-disapproval I'm on board. But I can't support any active attempt to block them. It would only end in tears for us all.

    Fallout2man on
    On Ignorance:
    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Do you think it's wrong that NYC has done as much as possible to block Walmart?

    What is the official line on why? Having that kind of helps. ;p

    But really what's troublesome is this, if they do this and succeed

    Spoiler alert: they won't. It's just not going to happen. Anybody who even thinks it will is lying to themselves, or misled.

  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    http://www.npr.org/2011/02/04/133483848/new-york-city-officials-to-walmart-keep-out

    There's a 2011 article on the subject. I don't know how the situation has changed since then, but basically Walmart didn't have concrete plans for where they wanted to place a store but most of the NYC city council was adamantly against it. Of course, blocking Walmart where you don't want it is easy -- just don't zone land for big box stores.

    Dehumanized on
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Do you think it's wrong that NYC has done as much as possible to block Walmart?

    What is the official line on why? Having that kind of helps. ;p

    But really what's troublesome is this, if they do this and succeed we then get to worry about the G.O.P. Governors using that as an excuse to run any Democrat-owned businesses out of their states. They will retaliate and they will go over the top in a way only today's crop of G.O.P. could. The real question we need to be asking isn't so much one about morality but rather one of blowback. Do we have the ability to do this in a way that the response will not end up making America collectively worse?

    As long as these remain strongly-worded-letters-of-disapproval I'm on board. But I can't support any active attempt to block them. It would only end in tears for us all.
    I sure as hell hope so. I'm ready to escalate this culture wars to the next level. Let's do this!

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.

    CapfalconSamphis
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.
    I was referring to the "zoning businesses we disagree with politically out."

    I'm fine if Bumfuck, Alabama wants to stop ordering from Amazon, using Google, and decides to run their local Chipotle out of town. It just means that the only place you're going to be able to eat in Bumfuck are shitty little local diners and Chick-Fil-As.

    In a trade war like this, the winners are the cities. And the cities are right, and the shitholes are wrong. So, like I said, let's fucking do this shit.

  • AtomikaAtomika a sour and coarse bogborne hellfruit Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.
    I was referring to the "zoning businesses we disagree with politically out."

    I'm fine if Bumfuck, Alabama wants to stop ordering from Amazon, using Google, and decides to run their local Chipotle out of town. It just means that the only place you're going to be able to eat in Bumfuck are shitty little local diners and Chick-Fil-As.

    In a trade war like this, the winners are the cities. And the cities are right, and the shitholes are wrong. So, like I said, let's fucking do this shit.

    Shitty local Southern diners are a endless source of community pride and diabetes, I'll have you know.

  • CapfalconCapfalcon Tunnel Snakes Rule Capital WastelandRegistered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.

    I have to admit, I started to laugh, then I realized that I wouldn't be that surprised.

  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Also Mayor Meninio's letter says nothing about blocking a building permit.

    Nor did that PA city offical's letter.

    Are there new ones specifically saying "your application for a permit will be denied based on your comments"?

    I thought there was a Chicago alderman* who said he wouldn't let them build a franchise somewhere near Chicago.

    Linky. He says he'll deny them a permit to build unless they show him a written anti-discrimination policy. Which seems kinda odd, because I think that IL counts sexual-orientation as a protected class and state-law already dictates that you cannot discriminate on that basis. I mean, it'd be good to have CFA have an actual anti-discrimination policy, but if the state already says you can't discriminate I'm not sure a statement from the company does much.

    * From my understanding an alderman is kinda like the head of a City-County Council, and and he can over-rule a majority vote by the CCC. I could be very mistaken here though...

    iTunesIsEvil on
  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    Christ, the line for Chic-Fil-A near my job is so long it's causing actual traffic jams

    0WBv0.png
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Godfather wrote: »
    Christ, the line for Chic-Fil-A near my job is so long it's causing actual traffic jams

    It's that damn Michael Berry - he bought 250 chicken sandwiches and was giving them away for free on Westheimer this afternoon. Michael Berry is a conservative radio host based in Houston.

  • BagginsesBagginses __BANNED USERS regular
    Menino may be able to actually block certain stores. Like Harvard Square for Cambridge, a lot of prime tourist spots are owned by the city, with places losing their lease for all sorts of reasons, including the city just deciding that it wants to shake things up a bit.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Melkster wrote: »
    Roger Cates told iReport he had lunch at Chick-fil-A in Owensboro, Kentucky, and planned to return with his family for dinner. Political leaders who have criticized the chain, like the mayors of Boston and Chicago, are hypocritical, he said.

    "I think it is ironic that the so-called forces of tolerance and inclusion are calling for the exclusion of Chick-fil-A from cities simply because of the beliefs of their chairman. ... People that disagree with me have a right to their opinion, and I have a right to mine," he said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/01/us/chick-fil-a-appreciation/index.html

    Sigh. See, that's the thing about using (or appearing to use) your government position to suppress a business. You give people the argument that this is a free speech thing, and not a suppressing gay people thing.

    You really can't have any familiarity with this stuff if you think the "You are intolerant of my intolerance" issue has anything to do with what those local politicians said.

    That argument has been around forever at this point and comes up with every issue.

    This "high ground" you are going on about never existed.

    shryke on
  • Fallout2manFallout2man Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I sure as hell hope so. I'm ready to escalate this culture wars to the next level. Let's do this!

    You seem to think that there are enough people in power who share your desire to, if necessary, reduce The South to a parking lot as a response. As they would most likely merit such eventually if we were to really get to the point in partisanship where we had Governors and other elected officials openly violating both the constitution and other various laws just to retaliate in kind to each other's illegal actions. Remember, these people have been preparing for the Apocalypse, do you think they won't take it that far? But more importantly, do any Democrats really have the balls to not capitulate when they realize this? ;p

    Fallout2man on
    On Ignorance:
    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    Theres still a disturbing amount of people in the south that want to start the civil war back up. I say give it to them, lets see what happens when they realize they eat up a majority of funding from the US and their majority believes taxes are theft. It'ill go mad max in like 2 years and theill start a war with Mexico.

    I wish we could see the numbers from CFA sales. I am willing to bet the amount of money is a boon and the protest will end up giving CFA more money then they normally pull in. People act like its just today, people are going to be out in droves to counter the protest on Friday. I wouldn't be surprised if you see people buying food and throwing it out in front of protesters.

    steam_sig.png
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I sure as hell hope so. I'm ready to escalate this culture wars to the next level. Let's do this!
    You seem to think that there are enough people in power who share your desire to, if necessary, reduce The South to a parking lot as a response. As they would most likely merit such eventually if we were to really get to the point in partisanship where we had Governors and other elected officials openly violating both the constitution and other various laws just to retaliate in kind to each other's illegal actions. Remember, these people have been preparing for the Apocalypse, do you think they won't take it that far? But more importantly, do any Democrats really have the balls to not capitulate when they realize this? ;p
    If this is a violation of the Constitution, then zoning out strip clubs is a violation of the Constitution. And given that almost every city in the U.S. relies on their ability to NIMBY the shit out of whatever the fuck business they want for whatever reason they want, I don't really think your "violation of the Constitution" argument has much mileage. So, rather than try to go that direction, my suggestion is to just run the bigots out of fucking town, use the tools we have at our disposal, and leave the rest to the vultures.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    Theres still a disturbing amount of people in the south that want to start the civil war back up. I say give it to them, lets see what happens when they realize they eat up a majority of funding from the US and their majority believes taxes are theft. It'ill go mad max in like 2 years and theill start a war with Mexico.

    I wish we could see the numbers from CFA sales. I am willing to bet the amount of money is a boon and the protest will end up giving CFA more money then they normally pull in. People act like its just today, people are going to be out in droves to counter the protest on Friday. I wouldn't be surprised if you see people buying food and throwing it out in front of protesters.

    I'm not terribly concerned about that, this is a demographic fight the intolerant biggots will lose in the court of public opinion in the long run

  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.
    I was referring to the "zoning businesses we disagree with politically out."

    I'm fine if Bumfuck, Alabama wants to stop ordering from Amazon, using Google, and decides to run their local Chipotle out of town. It just means that the only place you're going to be able to eat in Bumfuck are shitty little local diners and Chick-Fil-As.

    In a trade war like this, the winners are the cities. And the cities are right, and the shitholes are wrong. So, like I said, let's fucking do this shit.

    Sometimes, every once in a while, i'll read one of your pitchfork-the-south post and I wanna be all

    dude

    calm down yo


    maybe put down the torch and acid

    0WBv0.png
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I sure as hell hope so. I'm ready to escalate this culture wars to the next level. Let's do this!
    You seem to think that there are enough people in power who share your desire to, if necessary, reduce The South to a parking lot as a response. As they would most likely merit such eventually if we were to really get to the point in partisanship where we had Governors and other elected officials openly violating both the constitution and other various laws just to retaliate in kind to each other's illegal actions. Remember, these people have been preparing for the Apocalypse, do you think they won't take it that far? But more importantly, do any Democrats really have the balls to not capitulate when they realize this? ;p
    If this is a violation of the Constitution, then zoning out strip clubs is a violation of the Constitution. And given that almost every city in the U.S. relies on their ability to NIMBY the shit out of whatever the fuck business they want for whatever reason they want, I don't really think your "violation of the Constitution" argument has much mileage. So, rather than try to go that direction, my suggestion is to just run the bigots out of fucking town, use the tools we have at our disposal, and leave the rest to the vultures.

    I'd feel much comfortable if they fucked with zoning rules as a dodge than what Emmanuel and the alderman in Chicago were saying, which is that we'll deny you permits because you said some bigoted shit.

    This is probably silly of me, but I don't care.

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
    Warren 2020
  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I sure as hell hope so. I'm ready to escalate this culture wars to the next level. Let's do this!
    You seem to think that there are enough people in power who share your desire to, if necessary, reduce The South to a parking lot as a response. As they would most likely merit such eventually if we were to really get to the point in partisanship where we had Governors and other elected officials openly violating both the constitution and other various laws just to retaliate in kind to each other's illegal actions. Remember, these people have been preparing for the Apocalypse, do you think they won't take it that far? But more importantly, do any Democrats really have the balls to not capitulate when they realize this? ;p
    If this is a violation of the Constitution, then zoning out strip clubs is a violation of the Constitution. And given that almost every city in the U.S. relies on their ability to NIMBY the shit out of whatever the fuck business they want for whatever reason they want, I don't really think your "violation of the Constitution" argument has much mileage. So, rather than try to go that direction, my suggestion is to just run the bigots out of fucking town, use the tools we have at our disposal, and leave the rest to the vultures.

    I'd feel much comfortable if they fucked with zoning rules as a dodge than what Emmanuel and the alderman in Chicago were saying, which is that we'll deny you permits because you said some bigoted shit.

    This is probably silly of me, but I don't care.

    Yeah, but if they aren't actually acting on that, I don't see how they're being violated.

    PAD ID - 328,762,218
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud bear with us as we do some "rebranding" Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.
    I was referring to the "zoning businesses we disagree with politically out."

    I'm fine if Bumfuck, Alabama wants to stop ordering from Amazon, using Google, and decides to run their local Chipotle out of town. It just means that the only place you're going to be able to eat in Bumfuck are shitty little local diners and Chick-Fil-As.

    In a trade war like this, the winners are the cities. And the cities are right, and the shitholes are wrong. So, like I said, let's fucking do this shit.
    I have been thinking about this a lot. Would love to see some city-states rise up against the poopy masses.

  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    Godfather wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.
    I was referring to the "zoning businesses we disagree with politically out."

    I'm fine if Bumfuck, Alabama wants to stop ordering from Amazon, using Google, and decides to run their local Chipotle out of town. It just means that the only place you're going to be able to eat in Bumfuck are shitty little local diners and Chick-Fil-As.

    In a trade war like this, the winners are the cities. And the cities are right, and the shitholes are wrong. So, like I said, let's fucking do this shit.

    Sometimes, every once in a while, i'll read one of your pitchfork-the-south post and I wanna be all

    dude

    calm down yo


    maybe put down the torch and acid

    Those of us who are decent people trapped in the South are also concerned by such attitudes. :P

    PEUsig_zps56da03ec.jpg
    Lovely
  • MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular

    Thanatos wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I sure as hell hope so. I'm ready to escalate this culture wars to the next level. Let's do this!
    You seem to think that there are enough people in power who share your desire to, if necessary, reduce The South to a parking lot as a response. As they would most likely merit such eventually if we were to really get to the point in partisanship where we had Governors and other elected officials openly violating both the constitution and other various laws just to retaliate in kind to each other's illegal actions. Remember, these people have been preparing for the Apocalypse, do you think they won't take it that far? But more importantly, do any Democrats really have the balls to not capitulate when they realize this? ;p
    If this is a violation of the Constitution, then zoning out strip clubs is a violation of the Constitution. And given that almost every city in the U.S. relies on their ability to NIMBY the shit out of whatever the fuck business they want for whatever reason they want, I don't really think your "violation of the Constitution" argument has much mileage. So, rather than try to go that direction, my suggestion is to just run the bigots out of fucking town, use the tools we have at our disposal, and leave the rest to the vultures.

    I'd feel much comfortable if they fucked with zoning rules as a dodge than what Emmanuel and the alderman in Chicago were saying, which is that we'll deny you permits because you said some bigoted shit.

    This is probably silly of me, but I don't care.

    Isn't zoning laws the only way for them to ban them though? I thought that was what some posters said upstream. So it's more transparency in government, yay.

    Though I'd like to see how they'd zone something to prevent CFA from opening a store, and not affect other fast food businesses. No Fried Chicken foodstuffs within 1 mile of a person suffering from weight problems?

    Move to New Zealand
    It’s not a very important country most of the time
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/mortious
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud bear with us as we do some "rebranding" Registered User regular
    Godfather wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.
    I was referring to the "zoning businesses we disagree with politically out."

    I'm fine if Bumfuck, Alabama wants to stop ordering from Amazon, using Google, and decides to run their local Chipotle out of town. It just means that the only place you're going to be able to eat in Bumfuck are shitty little local diners and Chick-Fil-As.

    In a trade war like this, the winners are the cities. And the cities are right, and the shitholes are wrong. So, like I said, let's fucking do this shit.

    Sometimes, every once in a while, i'll read one of your pitchfork-the-south post and I wanna be all

    dude

    calm down yo


    maybe put down the torch and acid
    There was a ten hour traffic jam in my shitty rural town so everyone could get their Chik-Fil-A family protection sandwich. It really does suck. There is a reason gays move to cities and it is so we can live semi-functional lives without these people constantly shitting on us.

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.
    I was referring to the "zoning businesses we disagree with politically out."

    I'm fine if Bumfuck, Alabama wants to stop ordering from Amazon, using Google, and decides to run their local Chipotle out of town. It just means that the only place you're going to be able to eat in Bumfuck are shitty little local diners and Chick-Fil-As.

    In a trade war like this, the winners are the cities. And the cities are right, and the shitholes are wrong. So, like I said, let's fucking do this shit.
    I have been thinking about this a lot. Would love to see some city-states rise up against the poopy masses.
    Seriously. Seattle is getting completely fucked by the budgetary process in this state. We just need to take our ball and fucking go home.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Please don't firebomb Chick-Fil-As, Thanatos.
    I was referring to the "zoning businesses we disagree with politically out."

    I'm fine if Bumfuck, Alabama wants to stop ordering from Amazon, using Google, and decides to run their local Chipotle out of town. It just means that the only place you're going to be able to eat in Bumfuck are shitty little local diners and Chick-Fil-As.

    In a trade war like this, the winners are the cities. And the cities are right, and the shitholes are wrong. So, like I said, let's fucking do this shit.

    We have regular local restaurants in Alabamia, Thanatos.

    It's grocery stores and other shopping of that nature that is being hit hard by Walmart.

    Now, that said, the local restaurants serve shitty southern food where everything is cooked to death and the only flavor they can taste is "sweet" so I would literally rather go to Applebees.

    But the locals like that shit and frequent those places so whatevs.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Also the south is literally one generation away from just being like everywhere else on gay issues.

    Talk to a group of 20-something southerners.

    They are about as bigoted as a group from somewhere else.

    The majority of them simply do not give any fucks about homosexuality.

  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud bear with us as we do some "rebranding" Registered User regular
    Applebees is dire situation. Although I love their half price appetizers.

  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud bear with us as we do some "rebranding" Registered User regular
    Also the south is literally one generation away from just being like everywhere else on gay issues.

    Talk to a group of 20-something southerners.

    They are about as bigoted as a group from somewhere else.

    The majority of them simply do not give any fucks about homosexuality.
    I agree. Just gotta wait for the older folks to finally give it a rest.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Also the south is literally one generation away from just being like everywhere else on gay issues.

    Talk to a group of 20-something southerners.

    They are about as bigoted as a group from somewhere else.

    The majority of them simply do not give any fucks about homosexuality.

    Not quite:
    laxandphillipsfigure8.png

    But it does show the same trend.

  • MrMisterMrMister Please demonstrate your enthusiasm for e-marking and/or e-assessment with examplesRegistered User regular
    Melkster wrote: »
    And yeah, the more I think about it the more pissed off I get that those mayors have said what they've said. It compromises our moral high ground, and makes it seem more like a grey area. Which it is, I guess. On the one hand you have some mayors trying to suppress a business that isn't doing anything illegal, and on the other hand you have a business that's spending some serious cash on anti-gay rights.

    Fuck those mayors, seriously. They're not helping.

    I'm sorry, that's bullshit.

    Elected representatives have every right to speak their minds, certainly as much as a CEO. Until a permit gets denied "fuck the mayors" is ridiculous.

    And even then I think there's a discussion to be had.

    Mayors have the right to speak their minds as private citizens, as do Aldermen, but when they start doing things like using city stationary it shades into an inappropriate use of state power.

    Posters in this thread are right that de facto it is often possible to creatively use zoning restrictions in order to punish or block certain undesirables from entering town; they are wrong in thinking that this is de jure legal. This is just as it is often possible to design facially neutral hiring and retention policies--policies which never explicitly mention race--but which are nonetheless jury-rigged so as to retain and promote whites over minorities; or, perhaps better yet, to deliberately place polling locations and install voter registration procedures such that the minority vote will be suppressed. These things are all illegal, although often difficult to catch. If you're arguing that creative zoning as a way to punish Chick-Fil-A is kosher here, then you should realize that similar maneuvering would vitiate a great deal of civil rights legislation.

    Cities taking retaliatory action against a corporation--by, say, blocking its establishment of franchises, or terminating its leases in state university cafeterias--on the basis of the political views it espouses strikes me as an exceptionally clear cut violation of the freedom of speech. Which, I think, is why at least most of these mayors have been careful not to explicitly say that they will, in their role as mayor, take this form of retaliatory action, preferring nasty letters to concrete promises of action. Which, as above, is fine and all, right up until the point where the nasty letters themselves begin to be such that a reasonable person would interpret them as more than just a personal expression of disapproval, but a veiled threat of retaliation by state agencies.

    So, in other words, I'm with Melkster.

    Melkster
  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    The data for that chart ended 4 years ago, those estimates probably grew 60% each!

    But seriously, I'm kinda surprised by that data.

Sign In or Register to comment.