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Dyack on EGM Live

deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Games and Technology
http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/Podcasts/EGM/031207.mp3

Crazy man is craaaaazy.

He's talking about Too Human, and how EGM said the E3 build was sucky. And how it has forever changed the industry. What?

Seriously, you should all listen to this, and then we can talk about how crazy this crazy man is.

Crazy.

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    FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    Sweet jesus, he just starts going nuts

    I think the stress is getting to him.

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    JJJJ DailyStormer Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I wouldn't say nuts.

    He's putting the pressure on Mark, though.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The words he says, they don't make sense.

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    rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I agree with some of what he said. I don't think games should be previewed years in advance.

    But only because it builds up anticipation and then I have to wait. Like in Spores case.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    He hates Spore so much.

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    RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    And how it has forever changed the industry.
    He never said this.

    He has some good points, really.

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    WyndhamPriceWyndhamPrice Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    At the same time he makes a lot of complaints about previewing games in general when I think he really meant to bash E3 previews, so he comes off a little insane.

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    davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, I'm still excited for Too Human. Hopefully we'll be seeing sooner rather than later.

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    RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I wasn't excited for Too Human in the first place, but now I am. Let's hope Dyack makes good on his promises.

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    SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    He's always a very interesting man to listen to.

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    NORNOR Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Dyack wrote:
    IT'S ALL NINTENDO'S FAULT!

    So it's never Dyack's fault? I can tell he does not seem to think so.

    edit: and now he's saying that "people" he knows think the game is awesome.

    Man is a fucking idiot.

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    Smacky The FrogSmacky The Frog Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The game probably is awesome, but I think he's taken too much offense from their E3 write-up.

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    ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Dyack does come off a little.... nutty i guess. but he does raise some very good points about the downfalls of the press in the game industry.

    Edit: oh god, i was only a little way through, the farther it goes the crazier he gets. Full of himself and his project much?


    wow... just wow... this guy is a fucking idot.

    YOU EGM GUYS ARE GOING TO REGRET IT WHEN TOO HUMAN COMES OUT AND ITS SO AWESOME AND YOU GUYS MADE A BAD REMARK ABOUT IT ONCE AT E3

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    QuintileQuintile Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I really disliked listening to arguing for two hours... mainly because Dyack made no sense and you could tell he was being irrational trying to defend his baby.

    He admitted that the E3 build sucked, but thought EGM had no right to report that it sucked.

    Hmmm...

    The conversation should have been 30 seconds long:

    "So, I hear you thought the E3 build of Too Human was less than spectacular"

    "yeah"

    "me too"

    THE END.

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    ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    another choice paraphrase

    "you egm guys are just a product of the fanboys...."

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    JebralJebral The guy nobody pays attention to Down South in the land of free thinkingRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I can't believe what I'm hearing...

    "You guys should be more critical. Unless you're talking about me."

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    KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Jebral wrote: »
    I can't believe what I'm hearing...

    "You guys should be more critical. Unless you're talking about me."

    Did he really say that?

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    JebralJebral The guy nobody pays attention to Down South in the land of free thinkingRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Jebral wrote: »
    I can't believe what I'm hearing...

    "You guys should be more critical. Unless you're talking about me."

    Did he really say that?

    No, but it's very much how he comes across.

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    bombardierbombardier Moderator mod
    edited March 2007
    I just applied to work there a few weeks ago.

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    RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Jebral wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Jebral wrote: »
    I can't believe what I'm hearing...

    "You guys should be more critical. Unless you're talking about me."

    Did he really say that?

    No, but it's very much how he comes across.

    He says several times that they should be extremely critical to him and his games. It's the timing with which he takes issue. Though I disagree that a bad E3 report can doom your game.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Well, the thought that a preview should give critical problems as well as "zomg new pants" is a good one. Previews should tell me potential downfalls of the game along with spewing all sorts of awesomeness.

    The problem is that Too Human was one of the few titles that actually got some negative press that I can remember. This is not a problem with EGM, but with the gaming press in general. When games that come out are buggy, with shitty control and horrid graphics, but 3 months earlier got a "frothing demand" preview, there is a problem. The negative press about titles before they come out is almost non-existant.

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    GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    I thought he was actually saying that Nintendo games get praised when other games would get insulted and that previewing games years before they come out is stupid, with some of his games as examples.

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    Smacky The FrogSmacky The Frog Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The more I listen, the crazier he sounds.

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    davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I was thinking about this game a little more today, and it's sounding more and more like something I'd really like to play. A Diablo-style RPG with the fighting engine of a God of War/Devil May Cry and with online multiplayer. I don't care how crazy Dyack may or may not be, if he pulls this off, it could be a great fucking game.

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    The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard It's never lupines Irvine, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I crashed the E3 build 3 times and every time they looked at me and said oh my that's never happened before.

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    -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Dyack is made of ego and defensiveness.

    But hey, maybe Too Human could end up near the awesomeness he says it is. It sounds kinda cool.

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    MerovingiMerovingi regular
    edited March 2007
    I felt bad for Mark. This guy is completely full of shit. If they KNEW that the build wasn't very good I can't understand why they wouldn't expect bad feedback on it and then proceed to bitch/whine about said bad feedback. This guy is full of it.

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    Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated NZRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    He had a couple of smart and well thought out points but they were completely lost in all his defensive ramblings.

    I mean, I agree the previewing early builds is not exactly something that's good for the industry but in the end, if he can't produce a good build of their game, then it's completely on his shoulders. But then he started hassling Mark because he was critical of the game and it just sounded like he had sour grapes against him because his game is "potentially" good.

    Having said all that, I've never really had any interest in Too Human. I didn't like the design of Eternal Darkness at all and what few things they added to Twin Snakes, I didn't like. So Silicon Knights games are clearly not for me.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    He's just overstating his point. Not really crazy.

    By the way, calling him a "fucking moron" without even understanding his point and his problem in conveying it only makes you look like a fucking moron.

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    NORNOR Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hoz wrote: »
    He's just overstating his point. Not really crazy.

    By the way, calling him a "fucking moron" without even understanding his point and his problem in conveying it only makes you look like a fucking moron.

    He contradicts his "point" several times, but only when his "point" would apply negatively to himself.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    No he doesn't. He's trying to make the point that you can never judge an unreleased game on a reasonable level and that journalists have very subjectively filled in gaps on previews of E3 builds.

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    NOR wrote: »
    Dyack wrote:
    IT'S ALL NINTENDO'S FAULT!

    So it's never Dyack's fault? I can tell he does not seem to think so.

    edit: and now he's saying that "people" he knows think the game is awesome.

    Man is a fucking idiot.

    "My game is good"

    "NO UR DUMB"

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    Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated NZRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hoz wrote: »
    No he doesn't. He's trying to make the point that you can never judge an unreleased game on a reasonable level and that journalists have very subjectively filled in gaps on previews of E3 builds.
    But he also says that game journalists should be more critical. The thing is, EGM WERE more critical and what is Dyack's reaction? E3 sucks! You guys should've been more lenient (sp?)! Blah, blah, blah.

    The funniest part to me was when he was pretty much saying "I feel sorry for you guys because you'll have defend yourselves when my game ends up being the best game ever! No-one doubts me! Mwahahaha!" By that point I was wishing he'd shut up and save himself from further embarassment.

    Luckily though, the latter half of the podcast improved.

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    ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    yeah, his whole "the industry has seen too human, and they know its awesome" started to really annoy me to the end.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yeah more critical on games from companies they love and released games. The problem is that game journalists blindly give companies/brands they love the benefit of the doubt when previewing their E3 builds. But on games like Too Human that don't have the name recognition hype, EGM was not only critical but was insulting it. So a wide disparity exists in E3 previews.

    There, that's his point. If you still don't get it throw schoolyard taunts at him all you want, it'll only be an ironic reflection of yourself.

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    NORNOR Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hoz wrote: »
    Yeah more critical on games from companies they love and released games. The problem is that game journalists blindly give companies/brands they love the benefit of the doubt when previewing their E3 builds. But on games like Too Human that don't have the name recognition hype, EGM was not only critical but was insulting it. So a wide disparity exists in E3 previews.

    There, that's his point. If you still don't get it throw schoolyard taunts at him all you want, it'll only be an ironic reflection of yourself.

    Ugg

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    Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated NZRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hoz wrote: »
    Yeah more critical on games from companies they love and released games. The problem is that game journalists blindly give companies/brands they love the benefit of the doubt when previewing their E3 builds. But on games like Too Human that don't have the name recognition hype, EGM was not only critical but was insulting it. So a wide disparity exists in E3 previews.

    There, that's his point. If you still don't get it throw schoolyard taunts at him all you want, it'll only be an ironic reflection of yourself.
    EGM reports on what they see. If Bungie produced a trailer of Halo 3 that looked rubbish and ran at 10 frame a second, they'd be insulting it too. It's Dyack's (and Microsoft's) fault that they decided to show the rubbish demo and they have to live with the consequences.

    IMO Dyack is only one rung down from Molyneax on the ladder of excessive-hyping, except that he has actually said "our game is going to be WAY better than those other games" while Molyneax focusses completely on his own games. It's alright to think you're making a good game but to hype it up as a revolutionary game just makes it look like you've got a big ego.

    Btw, I like how you accuse me of throwing 'schoolyard taunts' at him when I haven't. Nice way of making yourself look like a condescending prick there, Jack.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I tend to mix people of similar posts together (consciously, because most of you seem to mimic each other). Anyway, I never said I agreed with his point just that you were completely getting it wrong by saying he contradicted himself. But I do think he's right. Halo 3 really looked subpar in what Bungie has showed so far and 1UP has been gushing over it and throwing out rationalizations. Fanboyism is a strong force in gaming journalism when it comes to any kind of preview. In the chaotic context of something like E3 it's much more flagrant.

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    ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    the halo they were talking about in the pod cast was Halo 1 the first year it was on the show floor. not anything recent.

    Edit: same with the original starcraft demo on the show floor, back when it was still in the Warcraft II engine, the demo was so bad, they pulled it.

    Edit again: info on the various iterations of starcraft here.

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    pinatasmasherpinatasmasher Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: @ Denis

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