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Help Me Pick a Used Car!!!

darkKNIGHTdarkKNIGHT Registered User new member
edited August 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey guys,

Im looking to buy a used car and I really have no idea which way to go. Im a young, single guy who is looking for a cool first car. I have about $15,000 to spend. I want either a sporty SUV or a coupe. So far here are a few of my favorites:
BMW X3
Lexus Rx 330

Nissan 350Z
Infiniti G35 Sport

Let me know what you guys think!!!

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Those are all way outside your price range. Any car on that list that sells that low is going to give you a ton of problems. Unless I'm really offbase with how those have depreciated.

    Eh, I'll add something positive: You may be able to find an older-model (8th gen) Civic Si around 20-25ish. BMW 3-series can get into that range too, but everyone and their brother drives one. You could probably find a Mustang around that general price range, as well. Maybe?

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    350z goes in the 20-25k range
    G35 goes for 20-30k
    X3 will run you 30-50k in good order
    RX330 is probably 18-30k

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    LankyseanLankysean Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Have you looked at the Scion FR-S? It's rear wheel drive, 6-speed, about 200hp and extra fun to drive. Also being brand new it comes with a warranty and being a 4 cylinder with 4 seats the insurance should be quite a bit less than your 6 cylinder sports cars. Yeah it'll cost a little over the $15k you have but with that much of a down payment it should have very low payments.

    If that's not your cup of tea, I'd go with the G35 sport over the 350z because it's better equipped and has a back seat. They are essentially the same platform so you aren't really losing anything going with either of them. I did a quick search on autotrader and pretty much all of those cars in that price range all had pretty high milage. For the same money you can get yourself a nice low milage civic coupe. I know it's not exactly sporty but they are extremely reliable. If you really are looking for something sporty I also saw a bunch of Mustangs, Ultima Coupes and even a few BMW's and Mercades. As for sporty SUV's... yeah I'm not a fan of SUV's.

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    I'd never recommend a FR for someone who is a "young" driver. No offense.

    But the FR-S is a motorist's wet dream. I wish it had more in common with the 86, though.

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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Just to clarify, is this your first car? Or are you looking for your first cool car?
    If so, I would advise against getting one you like, because you will break the car. It's pretty much inevitable.
    Also, how young is "young"? This forum has a wide variety of ages on it from people just entering high school to retirees. If you're just starting to drive (age 16 or so), anything with the words "sporty" or "SUV" are going to have huge insurance bills attached. If you're responsible for paying these bills, you'll want to take that into consideration before you get saddled with an insurance payment and a car payment and filling the gas tank. If your parents are picking up the tab, then you should discuss it with them.

    My personal recommendation would be to hit up the used car lots and see what they have to offer. There's a lot of good cars that never make it into the trade magazines because they're not a company's headline model. Also, check the classified ads (yeah, they're still around) and see what's available. You might get a good deal from someone there.

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    For that kind of money, you could get an excellent used car that will be reliable and not punch you in the face with insurance costs. A used civic is a good one. If a sedan isn't a deal breaker, something like an Impreza or even a Lancer might be up your alley.

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    saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    Those are all way outside your price range. Any car on that list that sells that low is going to give you a ton of problems. Unless I'm really offbase with how those have depreciated.

    Eh, I'll add something positive: You may be able to find an older-model (8th gen) Civic Si around 20-25ish. BMW 3-series can get into that range too, but everyone and their brother drives one. You could probably find a Mustang around that general price range, as well. Maybe?

    Edit again:

    350z goes in the 20-25k range
    G35 goes for 20-30k
    X3 will run you 30-50k in good order
    RX330 is probably 18-30k

    Where on earth are you getting these prices?

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    SaarutoSaaruto Registered User regular
    If you're looking to get a nicer car at a cheaper price you might want to consider a lease take-over or a lease swap. There are some really sick deals out there if you're willing to deal with having the car for a shorter amount of time. I'm not sure of the buy out options but it might be something worth looking into!

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Do not buy a 15k car for your first car. Period. If you do, you're setting yourself up for a world of hurt later on.

    You'll probably ignore this advice. All first drivers do.

    Don't come crying back though.

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    saltiness wrote: »
    Those are all way outside your price range. Any car on that list that sells that low is going to give you a ton of problems. Unless I'm really offbase with how those have depreciated.

    Eh, I'll add something positive: You may be able to find an older-model (8th gen) Civic Si around 20-25ish. BMW 3-series can get into that range too, but everyone and their brother drives one. You could probably find a Mustang around that general price range, as well. Maybe?

    Edit again:

    350z goes in the 20-25k range
    G35 goes for 20-30k
    X3 will run you 30-50k in good order
    RX330 is probably 18-30k

    Where on earth are you getting these prices?

    That's the general range from cars.com in my area. Locality will change the numbers, but I doubt by too much. In that initial list I'd be hard pressed to think that one could find any of those four for $15k and in decent enough condition for a "young" person's "first car". Those numbers could be way, way off but I don't think by much if you're talking about the general population purchasing through conventional means.

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Do not buy a 15k car for your first car. Period. If you do, you're setting yourself up for a world of hurt later on.

    You'll probably ignore this advice. All first drivers do.

    Don't come crying back though.

    I got my 8th gen civic brand new off the lot for a little over $15k back in 2005. Great car.

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    Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    World of hurt? I'm not sure i follow. $15k is very reasonable for the first "real" car you buy. I bought a lancer for about that much and aside from it being a bit too small for me, served me very well!

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    L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    I got a 2006 Subaru Legacy GT w/ manual transmission for just less than $15k. I've been loving it so far. It does need some work, but that's because the previous kid who unwisely bought it (hint hint) sold it right before it needed major scheduled maintenance.

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    World of hurt? I'm not sure i follow. $15k is very reasonable for the first "real" car you buy. I bought a lancer for about that much and aside from it being a bit too small for me, served me very well!

    $15k is way reasonable here for a first car, generally. Expecting to find any of the listed models in decent enough shape for $15k would, in all honesty, probably lead to a lot of money in repairs and such.

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    saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    saltiness wrote: »
    Those are all way outside your price range. Any car on that list that sells that low is going to give you a ton of problems. Unless I'm really offbase with how those have depreciated.

    Eh, I'll add something positive: You may be able to find an older-model (8th gen) Civic Si around 20-25ish. BMW 3-series can get into that range too, but everyone and their brother drives one. You could probably find a Mustang around that general price range, as well. Maybe?

    Edit again:

    350z goes in the 20-25k range
    G35 goes for 20-30k
    X3 will run you 30-50k in good order
    RX330 is probably 18-30k

    Where on earth are you getting these prices?

    That's the general range from cars.com in my area. Locality will change the numbers, but I doubt by too much. In that initial list I'd be hard pressed to think that one could find any of those four for $15k and in decent enough condition for a "young" person's "first car". Those numbers could be way, way off but I don't think by much if you're talking about the general population purchasing through conventional means.
    Cars.com is pretty much only dealers and cars not much older than 4 years. If OP really wants one of the cars on his list there are older ones with more miles from private sellers that come well within his budget. Yeah, he'll pay for some repairs but that comes with the territory of paying less for the car outright. If he has the income to cover repairs then it's no big deal.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    for 15k the cars you listed will either be very old or very used or most likely both


    consider going a peg down


    plenty of fun used Mazda's at that price

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    saltiness wrote: »
    saltiness wrote: »
    Those are all way outside your price range. Any car on that list that sells that low is going to give you a ton of problems. Unless I'm really offbase with how those have depreciated.

    Eh, I'll add something positive: You may be able to find an older-model (8th gen) Civic Si around 20-25ish. BMW 3-series can get into that range too, but everyone and their brother drives one. You could probably find a Mustang around that general price range, as well. Maybe?

    Edit again:

    350z goes in the 20-25k range
    G35 goes for 20-30k
    X3 will run you 30-50k in good order
    RX330 is probably 18-30k

    Where on earth are you getting these prices?

    That's the general range from cars.com in my area. Locality will change the numbers, but I doubt by too much. In that initial list I'd be hard pressed to think that one could find any of those four for $15k and in decent enough condition for a "young" person's "first car". Those numbers could be way, way off but I don't think by much if you're talking about the general population purchasing through conventional means.
    Cars.com is pretty much only dealers and cars not much older than 4 years. If OP really wants one of the cars on his list there are older ones with more miles from private sellers that come well within his budget. Yeah, he'll pay for some repairs but that comes with the territory of paying less for the car outright. If he has the income to cover repairs then it's no big deal.
    Jasconius wrote: »
    for 15k the cars you listed will either be very old or very used or most likely both

    @Jasconius' comment is where I'm coming from. The OP could get any of those listed models for $15k, but I wouldn't advise it for a "young" driver's "first car". The risks are just too high unless he wants to be shelling out another 15K in a few years for either repairs or a new car.

    And that's all aside from the fact that I really wouldn't suggest any of those machines for someone who is a newish driver.

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    iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    My first car cost something like four hundred dollars? And I beat that thing like a rented mule and it never gave me a single issue, then again they don't make cars like they used to (or gas prices for that matter)

    I'm in the same camp that says 15k is way to much for a first car. Buy some cheap beater used car and then proceed to learn your lessons of things that you shouldn't do on that. Take the remainder of that money and use it on a second car when you either run your first car into the ground from doing stupid shit, or run your first car into some other object from doing stupid shit.

    Honestly if your going to be spending that much I'd look into a Volkswagen Golf Diesel (manual trans). It might not be "cool" but they tend to have a better overall track record for reliability and they get very good gas mileage to boot.

    This is something your not really grasping like most people, a V8 is crazy fun but when you have to pay for gas its not. Back when I was a kid (and now I feel old) gas was under a buck a gallon, that meant that we could do stupid driving with a V8 and it didn't hurt. However my first car was an old compact that got thirty or forty miles to the gallon, it was not "cool" and I think I may have started the whole "yoga" trend when trying to mess around with girls in the back. It might sound like a shit car to start with, but honestly it was the best for a broke kid who got gas money by driving people around, and when we would ditch school to take a trip across state to watch the schools sports team play a day game I could fit three people in, have each of them kick in two bucks for gas do the entire round trip and still have a half tank left over.

    Point is this
    A) You will do stupid shit in your first car, a cheap car to fix is a good thing
    B) You will do stupid shit in your first car, a cheap car to replace when you total it is a good thing
    C) You will do stupid shit in your first car, a cheap car that easy to work on yourself teaches some valuable lessons
    D) Your first car is "Freedom" and as such its worth looking at something that gets really good gas mileage, that way you can spend more time out driving and having fun then begging your parents for gas money or dumping your paycheck into your gas tank.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    let's try not to romanticize the concept of a beater

    if the dude can afford it then whatever

    just don't shoot for a luxury car for 15k or less. It's gonna have 80k miles on it at minimum

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    let's try not to romanticize the concept of a beater

    Yeah, 15k is about right in my book for a good, reliable first car. Honestly, I'd look around to try to find something new for that price, it isn't too difficult. The Fit, Civic, Yaris, Versa, Altima (not Maxima, right? do they still produce Maximas?), Corolla, Golf, etc. can all be found, at times, new off the lot for around 15k. I haven't been shopping in awhile, but I doubt too much has shifted price-wise (is there still a demand issue for Japanese models?).

    I love driving, and I want something peppy and fun. The first car I had as an adult was my '06 Civic which was 15k off the lot. My next car, now that I make actual money, is most likely going to be something a bit more "fun". I'm looking toward a lightly used Infinity sedan (if I can't afford a GT-R I'll try to get close).

    It's similar to people who buy a Civic and then toss a bunch into aftermarket. You're almost always better off buying a better car at stock than something cheap to build up. In reverse, it's better to buy a new/slightly-used "boring" compact than a well-used, high-mileage luxury for the same price.

    Oh, and stay away from the new 9th gen Civics. No idea if the 8th are still on lots, but there should be tons selling as used that are barely touched.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    this is a little out there but you can definitely get a quality used RX-8 for 15k or less

    they are somewhat high maintenance vehicles


    but damn I think they're cool and regret not buying one all of the time

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    I'd never recommend a FR for someone who is a "young" driver. No offense.

    But the FR-S is a motorist's wet dream. I wish it had more in common with the 86, though.

    ?

    The 86 is a perfect car to learn car control in. Light, low powered front engine/rear drive with good suspension and brakes, a good safety rating and a bunch of airbags, Japanese reliability and build quality...

    What more could you possibly want?

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    L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    I'd never recommend a FR for someone who is a "young" driver. No offense.

    But the FR-S is a motorist's wet dream. I wish it had more in common with the 86, though.

    ?

    The 86 is a perfect car to learn car control in. Light, low powered front engine/rear drive with good suspension and brakes, a good safety rating and a bunch of airbags, Japanese reliability and build quality...

    What more could you possibly want?

    More power, and make it a convertible.

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    I'd never recommend a FR for someone who is a "young" driver. No offense.

    But the FR-S is a motorist's wet dream. I wish it had more in common with the 86, though.

    ?

    The 86 is a perfect car to learn car control in. Light, low powered front engine/rear drive with good suspension and brakes, a good safety rating and a bunch of airbags, Japanese reliability and build quality...

    What more could you possibly want?

    Eh, I'm tainted by being up in New England where anything RWD is garaged until spring. I'd still, for a "young" driver's "first car" try to steer them toward a FF for the sake of safety. Especially in a situation where said "young" driver is obviously dreaming of a lot of little horsies. I'm also neurotic and overly cautious.

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    Personally I think it's complete bullshit that 7+ year old cars with nearly 100k miles sell for anywhere close to $10k period...and yet they all do for decent reliable models. I'm looking for a family car and Jesus fucking Christ are used cars overvalued.

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    kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    let's try not to romanticize the concept of a beater

    Yeah, 15k is about right in my book for a good, reliable first car. Honestly, I'd look around to try to find something new for that price, it isn't too difficult. The Fit, Civic, Yaris, Versa, Altima (not Maxima, right? do they still produce Maximas?), Corolla, Golf, etc. can all be found, at times, new off the lot for around 15k. I haven't been shopping in awhile, but I doubt too much has shifted price-wise (is there still a demand issue for Japanese models?).

    I love driving, and I want something peppy and fun. The first car I had as an adult was my '06 Civic which was 15k off the lot. My next car, now that I make actual money, is most likely going to be something a bit more "fun". I'm looking toward a lightly used Infinity sedan (if I can't afford a GT-R I'll try to get close).

    It's similar to people who buy a Civic and then toss a bunch into aftermarket. You're almost always better off buying a better car at stock than something cheap to build up. In reverse, it's better to buy a new/slightly-used "boring" compact than a well-used, high-mileage luxury for the same price.

    Oh, and stay away from the new 9th gen Civics. No idea if the 8th are still on lots, but there should be tons selling as used that are barely touched.

    what's the problem with 9th gen civics?

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    kaliyama wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    let's try not to romanticize the concept of a beater

    Yeah, 15k is about right in my book for a good, reliable first car. Honestly, I'd look around to try to find something new for that price, it isn't too difficult. The Fit, Civic, Yaris, Versa, Altima (not Maxima, right? do they still produce Maximas?), Corolla, Golf, etc. can all be found, at times, new off the lot for around 15k. I haven't been shopping in awhile, but I doubt too much has shifted price-wise (is there still a demand issue for Japanese models?).

    I love driving, and I want something peppy and fun. The first car I had as an adult was my '06 Civic which was 15k off the lot. My next car, now that I make actual money, is most likely going to be something a bit more "fun". I'm looking toward a lightly used Infinity sedan (if I can't afford a GT-R I'll try to get close).

    It's similar to people who buy a Civic and then toss a bunch into aftermarket. You're almost always better off buying a better car at stock than something cheap to build up. In reverse, it's better to buy a new/slightly-used "boring" compact than a well-used, high-mileage luxury for the same price.

    Oh, and stay away from the new 9th gen Civics. No idea if the 8th are still on lots, but there should be tons selling as used that are barely touched.

    what's the problem with 9th gen civics?

    They cheapened... everything. I don't know if the newer models fixed this. I was skeptical that the 9th gen was as crummy as people were saying, initially, until I got a chance to poke around in one. Across the board everything is of lesser quality. Upholstery, trims, paint, dash quality, etc., If you have a choice between a gently-used later 8th gen and a 9th, I'd push toward the 8th.

    The mechanical guts are about the same, per reports, but the rest of the car just feels "cheap". My civic has held up really nice for a messy owner and seven years, but the same wear and tear on the 9th's insides would have made it look like a disaster-zone really quick.

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    darqnessdarqness KCMORegistered User regular
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Personally I think it's complete bullshit that 7+ year old cars with nearly 100k miles sell for anywhere close to $10k period...and yet they all do for decent reliable models. I'm looking for a family car and Jesus fucking Christ are used cars overvalued.

    Amen. Cash for Clunkers ruined the used car market.

    OP: The cars you listed are probably outside of your range since they're mostly top end sports cars. So you may have to go a tier or two down in selection. However I would discount the advice from those saying you'll beat on your car/drive it off a cliff. Only YOU know how you'll treat your car.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    I absolutely love my Saab. It's a 2007 Saab 93, the anniversary model. Beautiful interior, looks damn nice on the outside, runs incredibly well, lots of pick up from the 6-speed manual... another one to consider, especially if you want a nice looking car that will last a long time and will actually protect you should you get into an accident. I picked mine up for under 13k.

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    LankyseanLankysean Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I absolutely love my Saab... if you want a nice looking car that will last a long time and will actually protect you should you get into an accident. I picked mine up for under 13k.

    Saabs are extremely safe. I used to know a few people who worked at a Saab dealership and they would have people come in with pictures of their wrecked Saab's while buying a new one. The customers swore they where still alive because of those cars. Only real problem with Saabs is that they are pretty expensive to maintain especially now that they aren't in production. That being said, they are fast (if you get a turbo) and unique looking.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    I'd never recommend a FR for someone who is a "young" driver. No offense.

    But the FR-S is a motorist's wet dream. I wish it had more in common with the 86, though.

    ?

    The 86 is a perfect car to learn car control in. Light, low powered front engine/rear drive with good suspension and brakes, a good safety rating and a bunch of airbags, Japanese reliability and build quality...

    What more could you possibly want?

    More power, and make it a convertible.

    Those things are both coming. Or you could just get a 370z convertible.

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    L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    I'd never recommend a FR for someone who is a "young" driver. No offense.

    But the FR-S is a motorist's wet dream. I wish it had more in common with the 86, though.

    ?

    The 86 is a perfect car to learn car control in. Light, low powered front engine/rear drive with good suspension and brakes, a good safety rating and a bunch of airbags, Japanese reliability and build quality...

    What more could you possibly want?

    More power, and make it a convertible.

    Those things are both coming. Or you could just get a 370z convertible.

    To be honest, I haven't liked the Z's after the 350. I don't know exactly why, but the styling, the heavy, piggish nature, really turn me off.
    But any of the Z cars might be a good suggestion for the OP.

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    The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    I'd never recommend a FR for someone who is a "young" driver. No offense.

    But the FR-S is a motorist's wet dream. I wish it had more in common with the 86, though.

    ?

    The 86 is a perfect car to learn car control in. Light, low powered front engine/rear drive with good suspension and brakes, a good safety rating and a bunch of airbags, Japanese reliability and build quality...

    What more could you possibly want?

    More power, and make it a convertible.

    Those things are both coming. Or you could just get a 370z convertible.

    To be honest, I haven't liked the Z's after the 350. I don't know exactly why, but the styling, the heavy, piggish nature, really turn me off.
    But any of the Z cars might be a good suggestion for the OP.

    I ended up behind a 370 with Nismo tags the other day and I was enthralled by the bodykit. Understated and sleek. The Nismo tag was also a pretty damn nice touch assuming it was actually their work.

    But the Z's are far from a good starter car for anyone. Haven't these kids seem Tokyo Drift?

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    BlindZenDriverBlindZenDriver Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Get a Miata aka. MX-5. Not powerful as a muscle car but a great drive offering lots of fun (and lots of tuning options if you want more than stock power).

    Also and this goes regardless of what car you get. Look into Autocross as it is a great and safe way to race while also learning the limits of car and talent.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7gz8JRUw-U

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    For the infiniti, I'd wait for the 37s to filter down.

    For what you seem to want out of a car, I'd look for a Subary Legacy GT or a Mazdaspeed package mazda 6. Both are manuals.
    Another car you might look at is a Hyundai genesis. Very nice car for the money. (beamer drivers please read the italics before chiming in with hate). I have a 4 cylinder '11 legacy and I love it, it is the roomiest car I've driven but I'd kind of like to have the bigger engine. I take a lot of long road trips so the 30 mpg won out over displacement. The body style of legacies and outbacks got much bigger in '10, and the imprezas did the same here recently. A regular, non "STI" impreza is a fun car you can speed up over time if you want to tune on it a little. Don't overlook cars with four doors because you want "a coupe" - there are a LOT of cars that shoehorn a second set of doors on to make them a little more practical to insure or so they can be sold as an ostensibly more practical car.

    The sensible alternatives you probably haven't thought about are the nissan altima, and maybe maxima. They seem like "ordinary" cars but the upper trims offered are still very nice. A maxima IS essentially a g35/37.

    The high-end you missed is Audi, and Audi makes some nice cars. An a4 is decent, an a6 is cool, don't even drive an a8 or you'll be ruined for lesser interiors and have to drive audis and bmws forever. An accura might be worth looking at as well, like a TSX.

    SUVs: the infiniti RX and EX are every bit as nice as a Porsche cayenne.

    Domestics you should check out: Cadillac CTS, maybe a 300. They aren't really MY thing, I don't like the whole "poor man's rolls royce" thing they have going... but a 300 technically meets your list of qualifications.



    They are very hard to find, but if you want a killer sports car, I mean something FAST that a lot of people don't even know about, and is right in your price range, look for an 05 pontiac gto. Exactly an 05. not an 04, or an 06. What's cool about these is most of them were owned by classic GTO fans ( meaning they were summer cars for older men) who took care of them. Exterior is a little drab but it's a demonically quick platform underneath, and the interior is one of a kind (you'll either love or hate it). If you can find a low mileage one that's been well cared for, it's some of the cheapest speed on the road right now.

    i don't know what you make, but if you're spending this much on a first car, tell me it's a cash purchase.

    One thing you MUST NOT DO is buy a high end performance car with a rebuilt or salvage title. ONLY do this if the only reason you want the car is to you think girls give a shit and you never intend to drive it at interstate speeds.

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    Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Personally I think it's complete bullshit that 7+ year old cars with nearly 100k miles sell for anywhere close to $10k period...and yet they all do for decent reliable models. I'm looking for a family car and Jesus fucking Christ are used cars overvalued.
    Current car prices drive me nuts. It was really hard for me to find a car when I had to get one last year. The last car I bought was a 3 year old Mustang Cobra (a 1999 in 2002) with about 20k miles on it and paid $18.5k for it. A couple years later my wife (then girlfriend) bought a year old Focus with about the same mileage for something like $12k. Fast forward to 2011 and I need a new car to replace the Focus and I can't believe a recent Focus with 40k miles costs as much or more than my Cobra did. Stupid inflation being a dick.

    As to recommendations, you can get an early to mid '00s Mustang GT or Cobra in that price range and if you're patient, you can even get one that's been well maintained and has fairly low mileage. You might also have a look at the Mazda 6 or the Mazdaspeed 3, not technically coupes, but fast enough to be fun and more likely to be found in your price range while still in reasonable condition, although even that will take some looking. In my adventure above I ended up paying $15k for a Mazda 3i Touring, which is not fast at all, but does a good job of pretending to be a sports car until you actually try to drive it like one.

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    CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    When you are buying a sporty car be sure to take into account repair and maintenance costs.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    It's hilarious to see you guys complaining about car prices in here. I want to buy a 370Z. Shame they're $70,000 new here. Our dollar is at parity with the US dollar, and we have lower importing tariffs. It's all the other taxes that drive prices sky high...

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    L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    I would recommend against Audis and VWs. Mostly based on personal experience, in that, they have stupid electrical problems. Like, switches going out, with it being easier to replace the whole door than the stupid electrical switch. Or, if something goes wrong anywhere near the dashboard you're screwed and have to have it towed. Stupid crap like that. And even though VWs and Audis are the same, the Audis will cost more money, though somehow not as much as a Porsche, based on the badge. We found a shop that deals only in VWs/Audis, and their prices, while cheaper than the dealer, was still stupid expensive. And they stole the badge on the plastic shit that goes on the top of the engine.
    For similar reasons, I would not recommend a BMW. Even if you got a 1978 5 series sedan, parts alone are stupid expensive just because of the stupid badge alone. That's not mentioning labor, because they know they can charge more. If you can do the work yourself, the labor isn't an issue, but parts for any generation of BMW is going to be stupid fucking expensive. I know a guy in college who had an 1980's BMW 5 series, and he ended up selling it, because as it broke, it would make him go broke for the stupid part. There's only so much innovation a guy can do himself.

    And what's wrong with a guy not liking the 370Z? It's just not my style.

    OP: have you thought of something like a newer Camaro, GTO or Mustang as well? Right-wheel drive, decent power, and they can, at times, get decent gas mileage...

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    devCharlesdevCharles Gainesville, FLRegistered User regular
    Just some general advice I got from my mechanic as I just did this (picked up my used car today.)

    1. If a used car has more than 15K miles per year it's been out that means it's probably been heavily driven. These tend to be riskier as its better to spread miles out.
    2. A car tends to depreciate most in price but least in quality in about a 3-6 year range. As a result, anything from 2005-2008 will probably be decent.


    After that, I suggest just checking out local dealerships to see which cars you like. Once you are more sure on the kind of things you like (it might be a Toyota vs. a Lexus) you can then narrow down from there looking at private owners (which will save you so money) or more off the beaten track places.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    I would recommend against Audis and VWs. Mostly based on personal experience, in that, they have stupid electrical problems. Like, switches going out, with it being easier to replace the whole door than the stupid electrical switch. Or, if something goes wrong anywhere near the dashboard you're screwed and have to have it towed. Stupid crap like that. And even though VWs and Audis are the same, the Audis will cost more money, though somehow not as much as a Porsche, based on the badge. We found a shop that deals only in VWs/Audis, and their prices, while cheaper than the dealer, was still stupid expensive. And they stole the badge on the plastic shit that goes on the top of the engine.
    For similar reasons, I would not recommend a BMW. Even if you got a 1978 5 series sedan, parts alone are stupid expensive just because of the stupid badge alone. That's not mentioning labor, because they know they can charge more. If you can do the work yourself, the labor isn't an issue, but parts for any generation of BMW is going to be stupid fucking expensive. I know a guy in college who had an 1980's BMW 5 series, and he ended up selling it, because as it broke, it would make him go broke for the stupid part. There's only so much innovation a guy can do himself.

    And what's wrong with a guy not liking the 370Z? It's just not my style.

    OP: have you thought of something like a newer Camaro, GTO or Mustang as well? Right-wheel drive, decent power, and they can, at times, get decent gas mileage...

    Wow, for a guy who founded a cult and died rich, you say the word stupid a lot. Unresolved anger issues, perhaps?

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