er, I just permanently froze everything with an infinite shield, for like no money spent on gear
I'm not sure how that is an exaggeration
Because Lacuni Warriors and Doom Vipers have invincibility frames and hit like a truck pre 1.03. You can't reliably freeze them until they hit you once, often through your Diamond Shield.
But, whatever. Believe what you will.
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you can dodge those attacks
vipers were a problem but you just need move speed to reveal their stealth and freeze them without getting hit
i am just gonna put it out there, I could have killed diablo for free with that spec. not really an okay thing.
If you had cleared A2, there would still be A3 and 4, which has Winged Moloks, Heralds of Pestilence, Blood Clan Spearmen, Subjugators, Morlu Incinerators and whatever you can think of that has ranged attacks.
As a barb, I am in the nerf Thrive on Chaos camp. Infinite WoTB just allows us to trivialize too many mechanics within the game.
If you want a challenge then play hardcore or Dead Souls.
would you advocate other classes getting ways to have permanent CC immunity move speed and a huge damage boost
No, but not because I think it would be game breaking. I say no because I want the classes to feel unique from each other. I'm all for giving the other classes ways to trivialize game mechanics, just in different ways.
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but... then why have the game mechanics
if you just want everyone to pick the broken spec that ignores the game, why do you even play the game?
that's supposed to be a reward for good synergy between spec and gear, as well as a show of item and power progression
Paragon level 85 is about 65% of the EXP needed to get to 100.
Not really sure how that's relevant to "because WD's as a class are four months behind everyone else."
Ahh, I guess it's not relevant to that point. Read too fast and thought you were weighing in on the whole "WDs can be just as fast as barbs if they really TRY" idea.
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like I agree that you should be able to reach a level of power eventually where you just roll everything
and I guess you do need relatively okay gear for double tornado
maybe I'm just jealous my spec can't permanent wotb
maybe I'm just jealous my spec can't permanent wotb
as a 100k dps 2h barb, I'm going to go with clear speed being the main factor in my own jealousy; at a certain point, the idea of being immune to all CC permanently has no real value when you're immune to CC for fifteen seconds and the act 3 pack is dead within 2-3 of those seconds. instead, the double WW barb makes it up and then some by cutting anywhere from 10-30 minutes off your typical act 3 run and leaving my sad loot pile at the end of any given duration of farming in the dust.
I really think all you'd have to do to balance the build is to make sprint uptime less efficient or simply decrease the speed granted by sprint to the same as the movement speed cap - that would still make double WW a good starter for endgame farming, but as you acquire good gear/legendaries and move towards the cap you could eventually shift to other builds. ultimately, I thought the idea was to move away from imbalanced class-based clear times ala d2 sorc teleport, and the current iteration of sprint simply ignores that completely.
As a barb, I am in the nerf Thrive on Chaos camp. Infinite WoTB just allows us to trivialize too many mechanics within the game.
If you want a challenge then play hardcore or Dead Souls.
Or try to cure cancer.
I'm not sure why persons complain about a lack of difficulty or challenge in their hobbies. Presumably you are playing D3 to have fun, or relax, or farm items for $$, or something along those lines. Whence the compulsion to demand a challenge?
As a barb, I am in the nerf Thrive on Chaos camp. Infinite WoTB just allows us to trivialize too many mechanics within the game.
If you want a challenge then play hardcore or Dead Souls.
Or try to cure cancer.
I'm not sure why persons complain about a lack of difficulty or challenge in their hobbies. Presumably you are playing D3 to have fun, or relax, or farm items for $$, or something along those lines. Whence the compulsion to demand a challenge?
Life is difficult enough without skill nerfs.
Because mindless builds discourage play unless you're a masochist. I prefer to play something that requires sentience, thanks.
As a barb, I am in the nerf Thrive on Chaos camp. Infinite WoTB just allows us to trivialize too many mechanics within the game.
If you want a challenge then play hardcore or Dead Souls.
Or try to cure cancer.
I'm not sure why persons complain about a lack of difficulty or challenge in their hobbies. Presumably you are playing D3 to have fun, or relax, or farm items for $$, or something along those lines. Whence the compulsion to demand a challenge?
Life is difficult enough without skill nerfs.
Because mindless builds discourage play unless you're a masochist. I prefer to play something that requires sentience, thanks.
Do you really think that sentience is required to do something that can be botted?
As a barb, I am in the nerf Thrive on Chaos camp. Infinite WoTB just allows us to trivialize too many mechanics within the game.
If you want a challenge then play hardcore or Dead Souls.
Or try to cure cancer.
I'm not sure why persons complain about a lack of difficulty or challenge in their hobbies. Presumably you are playing D3 to have fun, or relax, or farm items for $$, or something along those lines. Whence the compulsion to demand a challenge?
Life is difficult enough without skill nerfs.
Because mindless builds discourage play unless you're a masochist. I prefer to play something that requires sentience, thanks.
Do you really think that sentience is required to do something that can be botted?
As a barb, I am in the nerf Thrive on Chaos camp. Infinite WoTB just allows us to trivialize too many mechanics within the game.
If you want a challenge then play hardcore or Dead Souls.
Or try to cure cancer.
I'm not sure why persons complain about a lack of difficulty or challenge in their hobbies. Presumably you are playing D3 to have fun, or relax, or farm items for $$, or something along those lines. Whence the compulsion to demand a challenge?
Life is difficult enough without skill nerfs.
Because mindless builds discourage play unless you're a masochist. I prefer to play something that requires sentience, thanks.
Do you really think that sentience is required to do something that can be botted?
As a barb, I am in the nerf Thrive on Chaos camp. Infinite WoTB just allows us to trivialize too many mechanics within the game.
If you want a challenge then play hardcore or Dead Souls.
Or try to cure cancer.
I'm not sure why persons complain about a lack of difficulty or challenge in their hobbies. Presumably you are playing D3 to have fun, or relax, or farm items for $$, or something along those lines. Whence the compulsion to demand a challenge?
Life is difficult enough without skill nerfs.
Because mindless builds discourage play unless you're a masochist. I prefer to play something that requires sentience, thanks.
Do you really think that sentience is required to do something that can be botted?
Your point is ridiculous and you're just replying to an off-hand comment sanstodo made, trying to prove something that no one but you cares about. Plus, if he has some sub-par build he is playing because it is more difficult than the common/easy builds, I doubt that it can be botted easily for Act3/4. So it actually does detract from your point. Time to upgrade your programming?
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Your point is ridiculous and you're just replying to an off-hand comment sanstodo made, trying to prove something that no one but you cares about. Plus, if he has some sub-par build he is playing because it is more difficult than the common/easy builds, I doubt that it can be botted easily for Act3/4. So it actually does detract from your point. Time to upgrade your programming?
I'm running the same build as Ingak, the highest paragon DH. It's a really good, fast build that still pales in comparison to a WW/sprint barb.
Your point is ridiculous and you're just replying to an off-hand comment sanstodo made, trying to prove something that no one but you cares about. Plus, if he has some sub-par build he is playing because it is more difficult than the common/easy builds, I doubt that it can be botted easily for Act3/4. So it actually does detract from your point. Time to upgrade your programming?
I'm running the same build as Ingak, the highest paragon DH. It's a really good, fast build that still pales in comparison to a WW/sprint barb.
Your shoulders and amulet bother me. It's like a Mercedes SLK with snow tires.
Your point is ridiculous and you're just replying to an off-hand comment sanstodo made, trying to prove something that no one but you cares about. Plus, if he has some sub-par build he is playing because it is more difficult than the common/easy builds, I doubt that it can be botted easily for Act3/4. So it actually does detract from your point. Time to upgrade your programming?
I'm running the same build as Ingak, the highest paragon DH. It's a really good, fast build that still pales in comparison to a WW/sprint barb.
Your shoulders and amulet bother me. It's like a Mercedes SLK with snow tires.
Your point is ridiculous and you're just replying to an off-hand comment sanstodo made, trying to prove something that no one but you cares about. Plus, if he has some sub-par build he is playing because it is more difficult than the common/easy builds, I doubt that it can be botted easily for Act3/4. So it actually does detract from your point. Time to upgrade your programming?
I'm running the same build as Ingak, the highest paragon DH. It's a really good, fast build that still pales in comparison to a WW/sprint barb.
Your shoulders and amulet bother me. It's like a Mercedes SLK with snow tires.
I'm saving up for those slots. My past couple days, other than the manticore, have been unlucky, and my visage has not sold yet. So I'm about 50 mil short of the vile ward I want. I'll upgrade the amulet after and hand the current one to my enchantress.
that dex is painfully low, as is the vit. I get the feeling this is one of those searches where if you remove the outlier affixes that are kind of irrelevant (freeze, regen), you'll get the real price that people will pay, which by my guess is probably 100-200k.
that dex is painfully low, as is the vit. I get the feeling this is one of those searches where if you remove the outlier affixes that are kind of irrelevant (freeze, regen), you'll get the real price that people will pay, which by my guess is probably 100-200k.
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@sanstodo I bought a cheap nat's legacy set to play around with the disc regen. It seems useful. Do you think it's worthwhile to invest in a quality set now?
My thought is that the values will increase over time since persons will not be able to generate more of them. But dropping a few hundred dollars to amass the set is quite daunting.
Looks like the market has progressed enough that someone as lazy as me can outfit a character with credible inferno gear using maybe 300-400k gold. Snagged a 700DPS, 700 life-on-hit, socketed 1h for 3000 gold. Time to start playing again!
@sanstodo I bought a cheap nat's legacy set to play around with the disc regen. It seems useful. Do you think it's worthwhile to invest in a quality set now?
My thought is that the values will increase over time since persons will not be able to generate more of them. But dropping a few hundred dollars to amass the set is quite daunting.
Thoughts?
I definitely think the investment is worth it. I doubt blizzard will ever provide such a huge set bonus in the future so, as you said, the limited supply should make legacy nats an appreciating asset.
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My HC class was a WW barb which I geared for a few hundred thousand and I could barely get through Act 3 Hell before I got manhandled by a DC.
I'm not sure how that is an exaggeration
Because Lacuni Warriors and Doom Vipers have invincibility frames and hit like a truck pre 1.03. You can't reliably freeze them until they hit you once, often through your Diamond Shield.
But, whatever. Believe what you will.
vipers were a problem but you just need move speed to reveal their stealth and freeze them without getting hit
i am just gonna put it out there, I could have killed diablo for free with that spec. not really an okay thing.
I don't get hit by lacunis or stealth lizards anymore on my main so...
Well that's just pointless speculation at this point. WDs in general are also doing damn well in the Hardcore race.
No, but not because I think it would be game breaking. I say no because I want the classes to feel unique from each other. I'm all for giving the other classes ways to trivialize game mechanics, just in different ways.
if you just want everyone to pick the broken spec that ignores the game, why do you even play the game?
that's supposed to be a reward for good synergy between spec and gear, as well as a show of item and power progression
Ahh, I guess it's not relevant to that point. Read too fast and thought you were weighing in on the whole "WDs can be just as fast as barbs if they really TRY" idea.
and I guess you do need relatively okay gear for double tornado
maybe I'm just jealous my spec can't permanent wotb
or pre 1.04 wd
You seem to be using the phrase "the game" in two different senses.
A "broken" spec allows a player to ignore some aspects of gameplay.
Ignoring some aspects of gameplay is different from ignoring "the game" in its entirety.
as a 100k dps 2h barb, I'm going to go with clear speed being the main factor in my own jealousy; at a certain point, the idea of being immune to all CC permanently has no real value when you're immune to CC for fifteen seconds and the act 3 pack is dead within 2-3 of those seconds. instead, the double WW barb makes it up and then some by cutting anywhere from 10-30 minutes off your typical act 3 run and leaving my sad loot pile at the end of any given duration of farming in the dust.
I really think all you'd have to do to balance the build is to make sprint uptime less efficient or simply decrease the speed granted by sprint to the same as the movement speed cap - that would still make double WW a good starter for endgame farming, but as you acquire good gear/legendaries and move towards the cap you could eventually shift to other builds. ultimately, I thought the idea was to move away from imbalanced class-based clear times ala d2 sorc teleport, and the current iteration of sprint simply ignores that completely.
Or try to cure cancer.
I'm not sure why persons complain about a lack of difficulty or challenge in their hobbies. Presumably you are playing D3 to have fun, or relax, or farm items for $$, or something along those lines. Whence the compulsion to demand a challenge?
Life is difficult enough without skill nerfs.
Because mindless builds discourage play unless you're a masochist. I prefer to play something that requires sentience, thanks.
Do you really think that sentience is required to do something that can be botted?
if you use prismatic armor you can probably tank anything but prismatic armor is for pussies and clears way slow
I use shock armor and if I screw up against fire chains/molten I die. instantly.
jeopordy can be botted
Or, as I like to call it, _J_d
True.
I don't think that detracts from my point.
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I'm running the same build as Ingak, the highest paragon DH. It's a really good, fast build that still pales in comparison to a WW/sprint barb.
Your shoulders and amulet bother me.
Maybe it's very slippery out
I'm saving up for those slots. My past couple days, other than the manticore, have been unlucky, and my visage has not sold yet. So I'm about 50 mil short of the vile ward I want. I'll upgrade the amulet after and hand the current one to my enchantress.
Yeah. Just search dex/vit/poison/all
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My thought is that the values will increase over time since persons will not be able to generate more of them. But dropping a few hundred dollars to amass the set is quite daunting.
Thoughts?
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I definitely think the investment is worth it. I doubt blizzard will ever provide such a huge set bonus in the future so, as you said, the limited supply should make legacy nats an appreciating asset.