There's no doubt that the game was reffed shitty, but many of the worst calls were in the Warrioilrs favor (like 2 Draymond strikes to the head that didn't get reviewed, not to mention the double Pachulia nut punch with no repercussions, the silly Damon Jones tech, the laughable flagrant for grazing Durants face). It probably landed in the Cavs favor, minus the suspensions Draymond and Pachulia should be serving, but dropping out on your team winning a title over it is the height of the fan entitlement that can make the Warriors so irritating.
For the record, I'm not a Warriors fan. I don't have a horse in this race.
Everyone should be disgusted by Game 4. Game 3 was already bad enough (and surprisingly no one talks about how blatantly biased the officiating was for that game because the Warriors still managed to win). But if you are the team that is clearly getting screwed by poor officiating, playing the game out only lends credibility to the outcome. Everyone should be leaving when officials are not doing their job properly.
You know who thinks that things like process and integrity aren't important so long as you get what you want in the end? Donald Trump.
I understand if you want to suspend a player for ticky tack whatever, take away a game check etc, but just don't do the review until the series is over and whoops it's enforced on the first game of the regular season.
idk, i don't want to see the finals decided by rando one game suspensions, if it's not flagrant 2 level i am not interested. if lebron had gotten suspended for a game for that iguodala nut shot it'd be just as dumb as it was last year.
There's no doubt that the game was reffed shitty, but many of the worst calls were in the Warrioilrs favor (like 2 Draymond strikes to the head that didn't get reviewed, not to mention the double Pachulia nut punch with no repercussions, the silly Damon Jones tech, the laughable flagrant for grazing Durants face). It probably landed in the Cavs favor, minus the suspensions Draymond and Pachulia should be serving, but dropping out on your team winning a title over it is the height of the fan entitlement that can make the Warriors so irritating.
For the record, I'm not a Warriors fan. I don't have a horse in this race.
Everyone should be disgusted by Game 4. Game 3 was already bad enough (and surprisingly no one talks about how blatantly biased the officiating was for that game because the Warriors still managed to win). But if you are the team that is clearly getting screwed by poor officiating, playing the game out only lends credibility to the outcome. Everyone should be leaving when officials are not doing their job properly.
You know who thinks that things like process and integrity aren't important so long as you get what you want in the end? Donald Trump.
Hahaha oh shit! Is Donald Trump now the official Godwins comparison?
No doubt, officiating was completely fucked. Those refs choked hard. I just disagree with the assertion of how biased it was and I get irritated that Warrioirs fans want to act like an aggrieved and tortured fan base because their team lost literally one game. But yeah, not saying reffing was good or fair, I think it was just chaotically terrible hurting everyone around it. Kind of like . . . . Donald Trump!
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Referees were an outright disaster that game, and the stats being thrown around about the Cavs/Warriors bias relating to ref Mike Callahan should give pause to even the most conspiracy-averse NBA fans.
With Mike Callahan officiating, including playoffs... GS: 4-4 in last 8 Cle: Won 11 straight (2 vs GS)
Of course all statistics should be taken with many grains of salt, but I think inasmuch as the league influences a series, the extent of it is referee selection. Hard to imagine anything more formal than that, though.
I understand if you want to suspend a player for ticky tack whatever, take away a game check etc, but just don't do the review until the series is over and whoops it's enforced on the first game of the regular season.
idk, i don't want to see the finals decided by rando one game suspensions, if it's not flagrant 2 level i am not interested. if lebron had gotten suspended for a game for that iguodala nut shot it'd be just as dumb as it was last year.
I only think a suspension on Draymond was justified because of all the tech and flagrant points he has accumulated. Like last year. I mean, it's undeniable that both of his head shits were significantly worse than what happened to KD. Draymond gets reffed with much more lenoence than everyone else because he is so consistently acting out. He does shit that would get most other players a tech like 6 times a game.
Zaza should be suspended because you should not be able to punch other players in the nuts, straight up. I don't know how that could be a point of disagreement. I don't know what Iggy nut shot you are talking about.
At the end of game 3 james gave Iggy a leg into the groin, I believe on his final shot. The argument goes since green got suspended for a groin punch in the finals Lebron should get one for a groin kick in the finals.
Of course this ignores the plethora of groin kicks green had delivered last season without suspension, but you know, whatever.
(Also note that knight thinks a suspension would be dumb, this is from other warrior fans )
At the end of game 3 james gave Iggy a leg into the groin, I believe on his final shot. The argument goes since green got suspended for a groin punch in the finals Lebron should get one for a groin kick in the finals.
Of course this ignores the plethora of groin kicks green had delivered last season without suspension, but you know, whatever.
(Also note that knight thinks a suspension would be dumb, this is from other warrior fans )
That argument makes no sense. Draymond wasn't suspended for a nut shot. He was suspended for an accumulation of technical and flagrant, and he eventually exceeded the playoff limit put written into the rules. If Lebron whacked Iggy in the balls or tried to, he should get a flagrant. But he won't be suspended because he hasn't been doing it all playoffs long.
This is the same reason I think Dray should have been ejected (one tech + 2 shoulda been flagrants), and likely suspended (I think he has 6 tech points, and suspension happens at 7). It's how the system is designed, anybody who doesn't get that is fundamentally misunderstanding what the rules are and why Dray was suspended last year.
At the end of game 3 james gave Iggy a leg into the groin, I believe on his final shot. The argument goes since green got suspended for a groin punch in the finals Lebron should get one for a groin kick in the finals.
Of course this ignores the plethora of groin kicks green had delivered last season without suspension, but you know, whatever.
(Also note that knight thinks a suspension would be dumb, this is from other warrior fans )
That argument makes no sense. Draymond wasn't suspended for a nut shot. He was suspended for an accumulation of technical and flagrant, and he eventually exceeded the playoff limit put written into the rules. If Lebron whacked Iggy in the balls or tried to, he should get a flagrant. But he won't be suspended because he hasn't been doing it all playoffs long.
This is the same reason I think Dray should have been ejected (one tech + 2 shoulda been flagrants), and likely suspended (I think he has 6 tech points, and suspension happens at 7). It's how the system is designed, anybody who doesn't get that is fundamentally misunderstanding what the rules are and why Dray was suspended last year.
Yea, but the NBA assessed that flagrant and thus the points after the fact with Lebron lobbying the league office between games.
I'm a sixers fan so I don't really care at all who wins, just that they're all bad in 4 years as the sixers hopefully get good. But the NBA losing control over their games and then punishing a guy after the fact sucks and makes me not want to watch the finals, which shouldn't happen.
edit: additionally, i think technicals because referees "don't like your tone" after they already let the game get wildly out of hand are also stupid and make the game about them. ain't nobody watched a sporting event for the dudes in black and white stripes.
At the end of game 3 james gave Iggy a leg into the groin, I believe on his final shot. The argument goes since green got suspended for a groin punch in the finals Lebron should get one for a groin kick in the finals.
Of course this ignores the plethora of groin kicks green had delivered last season without suspension, but you know, whatever.
(Also note that knight thinks a suspension would be dumb, this is from other warrior fans )
That argument makes no sense. Draymond wasn't suspended for a nut shot. He was suspended for an accumulation of technical and flagrant, and he eventually exceeded the playoff limit put written into the rules. If Lebron whacked Iggy in the balls or tried to, he should get a flagrant. But he won't be suspended because he hasn't been doing it all playoffs long.
This is the same reason I think Dray should have been ejected (one tech + 2 shoulda been flagrants), and likely suspended (I think he has 6 tech points, and suspension happens at 7). It's how the system is designed, anybody who doesn't get that is fundamentally misunderstanding what the rules are and why Dray was suspended last year.
Yea, but the NBA assessed that flagrant and thus the points after the fact with Lebron lobbying the league office between games.
I'm a sixers fan so I don't really care at all who wins, just that they're all bad in 4 years as the sixers hopefully get good. But the NBA losing control over their games and then punishing a guy after the fact sucks and makes me not want to watch the finals, which shouldn't happen.
edit: additionally, i think technicals because referees "don't like your tone" after they already let the game get wildly out of hand are also stupid and make the game about them. ain't nobody watched a sporting event for the dudes in black and white stripes.
Good point. Should have been a tech or flagrant on the floor, and missing that and
waiting to decide later is another good example of the refs not handling their shit well.
Dray only has 4 tech points so far, he's not at 6.
Ok, fine. No suspension then. Just should have been ejected for one of the two shoulda been flagrants, and the tech (not to mention the retconned tech). It's fine though, whatever, refs suck, Cavs won, let's play game 5 without any Warriors fans jumping off a bridge.
I understand if you want to suspend a player for ticky tack whatever, take away a game check etc, but just don't do the review until the series is over and whoops it's enforced on the first game of the regular season.
idk, i don't want to see the finals decided by rando one game suspensions, if it's not flagrant 2 level i am not interested. if lebron had gotten suspended for a game for that iguodala nut shot it'd be just as dumb as it was last year.
I only think a suspension on Draymond was justified because of all the tech and flagrant points he has accumulated. Like last year. I mean, it's undeniable that both of his head shits were significantly worse than what happened to KD. Draymond gets reffed with much more lenoence than everyone else because he is so consistently acting out. He does shit that would get most other players a tech like 6 times a game.
Zaza should be suspended because you should not be able to punch other players in the nuts, straight up. I don't know how that could be a point of disagreement. I don't know what Iggy nut shot you are talking about.
Zaza did not punch anyone in the nuts. What you're looking at was his hand being ripped off the ball. He then hit the player in the leg in response to being fouled.
Edit: that entire sequence was amazing. LeBron punches zaza in the liver and then leans on him while attacking the ball. Shoves him to the ground while korver throws him to the ground by his neck and then schumptert grabs his arm and yanks it off the ball and people are mad that zaza's arms flew in the direction that schumptert threw them.
I understand if you want to suspend a player for ticky tack whatever, take away a game check etc, but just don't do the review until the series is over and whoops it's enforced on the first game of the regular season.
idk, i don't want to see the finals decided by rando one game suspensions, if it's not flagrant 2 level i am not interested. if lebron had gotten suspended for a game for that iguodala nut shot it'd be just as dumb as it was last year.
I only think a suspension on Draymond was justified because of all the tech and flagrant points he has accumulated. Like last year. I mean, it's undeniable that both of his head shits were significantly worse than what happened to KD. Draymond gets reffed with much more lenoence than everyone else because he is so consistently acting out. He does shit that would get most other players a tech like 6 times a game.
Zaza should be suspended because you should not be able to punch other players in the nuts, straight up. I don't know how that could be a point of disagreement. I don't know what Iggy nut shot you are talking about.
Zaza did not punch anyone in the nuts. What you're looking at was his hand being ripped off the ball. He then hit the player in the leg in response to being fouled.
Edit: that entire sequence was amazing. LeBron punches zaza in the liver and then leans on him while attacking the ball. Shoves him to the ground while korver throws him to the ground by his neck and then schumptert grabs his arm and yanks it off the ball and people are mad that zaza's arms flew in the direction that schumptert threw them.
Whatever man. I don't think that's really a fair interpretation, but I also don't really care. The series is over, and the season is over. Warriors are the Champs, maybe the best team ever. Congrats to them.
Rockets acquiring Chris Paul and are pursuing Paul George too I guess? Gonna need more game balls.
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I don't see any way the rockets can get Paul George
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Yeah with the types of deals I've already seen as having been involved in George trade talks, I just don't see where the Rockets have the assets left to get him - they already slightly overpaid for Paul.
Say what you will about the Warriors making the playoffs uninteresting, but their impact on the league has certainly made the offseason considerably more entertaining.
Although I don't know what Jim Dolan was thinking, picking up the option a few weeks back.
Knicks have been irrelevant for a long time and will continue to be irrelevant. Just because they have NY in their name doesn't make anything they do interesting.
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So we'll know in a couple of weeks if anyone loads up enough to take 4 out of 7 from the Warriors.
Then, barring any unforeseen injuries, we can not pay attention to the NBA until next July.
The end-of-season result is far from the only reason to actually watch basketball. Last season was pretty great and featured the most compelling MVP race in my lifetime, plus plenty of breakout stars and storylines. There's enough going on in the league that I think this kind of cynicism is totally unwarranted.
So we'll know in a couple of weeks if anyone loads up enough to take 4 out of 7 from the Warriors.
Then, barring any unforeseen injuries, we can not pay attention to the NBA until next July.
The end-of-season result is far from the only reason to actually watch basketball. Last season was pretty great and featured the most compelling MVP race in my lifetime, plus plenty of breakout stars and storylines. There's enough going on in the league that I think this kind of cynicism is totally unwarranted.
I agree. I have always felt that to focus solely on championships is myopic. 29 teams are going to end their season having not won a championship. Unless you root for a glory franchise, or an unrepentant front runner, being a sports fan will never be worth it if you can't enjoy the day to day of watching basketball, watching young players develop, getting excited by big games and breakout performances, and all the rest. The championship is just one part of it.
So we'll know in a couple of weeks if anyone loads up enough to take 4 out of 7 from the Warriors.
Then, barring any unforeseen injuries, we can not pay attention to the NBA until next July.
The end-of-season result is far from the only reason to actually watch basketball. Last season was pretty great and featured the most compelling MVP race in my lifetime, plus plenty of breakout stars and storylines. There's enough going on in the league that I think this kind of cynicism is totally unwarranted.
I agree. I have always felt that to focus solely on championships is myopic. 29 teams are going to end their season having not won a championship. Unless you root for a glory franchise, or an unrepentant front runner, being a sports fan will never be worth it if you can't enjoy the day to day of watching basketball, watching young players develop, getting excited by big games and breakout performances, and all the rest. The championship is just one part of it.
A decade of waiting for promising young players to pan out does get pretty old though. Source: I am a Wolves fan. We're entering Year 11 of the post-KG rebuild and haven't been to the playoffs in 13 seasons.
I thought that Boston traded away a first round pick in that deal. I'm not sure that Kyrie Irving is worth quite as much as they gave up.
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Oh yeah mb got confused for a second there. I think the Cavs got a steal of a deal, and the Celtics gave up too much.
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Celtics had assets, they could afford to pay out for a move like this, even if they paid a pretty steep price. Plus they were able to get out of the Isaiah Thomas dilemma while landing a young superstar they think they'll actually be able to build around.
I don't personally think you can win a title with Kyrie as your #1 unless your team is deep as all get-out, but it's still a move that makes a lot of sense for them. Was a good move for Cleveland, too, they managed to get a hell of a return on a player that wanted out, so they didn't exactly have an absolute ton of leverage to begin with.
What a crazy offseason this has been. I haven't been this excited to see what happens across the league this upcoming year in quite some time.
yeah I mean, the point of stockpiling all those picks was always to 'overpay' for a star; the wisdom of the 'can't trade four quarters for a dollar' analogy is that you gotta have more than four quarters
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yeah I mean, the point of stockpiling all those picks was always to 'overpay' for a star; the wisdom of the 'can't trade four quarters for a dollar' analogy is that you gotta have more than four quarters
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You aren't going to win jack with Kyrie Irving as the best player on your team. He has been a defensive net negative across nearly all lineups for years now, including while playing alongside the best player in the world. If he can't bother to put defensive effort in games when he doesn't have to carry the vast majority of the offensive coordinating load, then he's not going to do it when he is "the man" on a team.
So we'll know in a couple of weeks if anyone loads up enough to take 4 out of 7 from the Warriors.
Then, barring any unforeseen injuries, we can not pay attention to the NBA until next July.
The end-of-season result is far from the only reason to actually watch basketball. Last season was pretty great and featured the most compelling MVP race in my lifetime, plus plenty of breakout stars and storylines. There's enough going on in the league that I think this kind of cynicism is totally unwarranted.
I agree. I have always felt that to focus solely on championships is myopic. 29 teams are going to end their season having not won a championship. Unless you root for a glory franchise, or an unrepentant front runner, being a sports fan will never be worth it if you can't enjoy the day to day of watching basketball, watching young players develop, getting excited by big games and breakout performances, and all the rest. The championship is just one part of it.
A decade of waiting for promising young players to pan out does get pretty old though. Source: I am a Wolves fan. We're entering Year 11 of the post-KG rebuild and haven't been to the playoffs in 13 seasons.
Yeah, I mean, no one is saying being a fan of a perennially bad team is any fun. Wolves fans haven't gotten to have too much of the highs over the years. But, I'm saying, what about fans of like, say, the Grizzlies. They've had a good run, never really been a serious contender, but I'd rather be on their path then, like, the Suns right now.
You aren't going to win jack with Kyrie Irving as the best player on your team. He has been a defensive net negative across nearly all lineups for years now, including while playing alongside the best player in the world. If he can't bother to put defensive effort in games when he doesn't have to carry the vast majority of the offensive coordinating load, then he's not going to do it when he is "the man" on a team.
meh isaiah was a huge defensive liability too, its not like they lost any d making this trade
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For the record, I'm not a Warriors fan. I don't have a horse in this race.
Everyone should be disgusted by Game 4. Game 3 was already bad enough (and surprisingly no one talks about how blatantly biased the officiating was for that game because the Warriors still managed to win). But if you are the team that is clearly getting screwed by poor officiating, playing the game out only lends credibility to the outcome. Everyone should be leaving when officials are not doing their job properly.
You know who thinks that things like process and integrity aren't important so long as you get what you want in the end? Donald Trump.
idk, i don't want to see the finals decided by rando one game suspensions, if it's not flagrant 2 level i am not interested. if lebron had gotten suspended for a game for that iguodala nut shot it'd be just as dumb as it was last year.
Hahaha oh shit! Is Donald Trump now the official Godwins comparison?
No doubt, officiating was completely fucked. Those refs choked hard. I just disagree with the assertion of how biased it was and I get irritated that Warrioirs fans want to act like an aggrieved and tortured fan base because their team lost literally one game. But yeah, not saying reffing was good or fair, I think it was just chaotically terrible hurting everyone around it. Kind of like . . . . Donald Trump!
- Cavs & Warriors last 7 meetings... w/Mike Callahan: Cavs 3-0 w/o Callahan: Warriors 4-0
- With Mike Callahan officiating, including playoffs... GS: 4-4 in last 8 Cle: Won 11 straight (2 vs GS)
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I only think a suspension on Draymond was justified because of all the tech and flagrant points he has accumulated. Like last year. I mean, it's undeniable that both of his head shits were significantly worse than what happened to KD. Draymond gets reffed with much more lenoence than everyone else because he is so consistently acting out. He does shit that would get most other players a tech like 6 times a game.
Zaza should be suspended because you should not be able to punch other players in the nuts, straight up. I don't know how that could be a point of disagreement. I don't know what Iggy nut shot you are talking about.
Of course this ignores the plethora of groin kicks green had delivered last season without suspension, but you know, whatever.
(Also note that knight thinks a suspension would be dumb, this is from other warrior fans )
That argument makes no sense. Draymond wasn't suspended for a nut shot. He was suspended for an accumulation of technical and flagrant, and he eventually exceeded the playoff limit put written into the rules. If Lebron whacked Iggy in the balls or tried to, he should get a flagrant. But he won't be suspended because he hasn't been doing it all playoffs long.
This is the same reason I think Dray should have been ejected (one tech + 2 shoulda been flagrants), and likely suspended (I think he has 6 tech points, and suspension happens at 7). It's how the system is designed, anybody who doesn't get that is fundamentally misunderstanding what the rules are and why Dray was suspended last year.
Yea, but the NBA assessed that flagrant and thus the points after the fact with Lebron lobbying the league office between games.
I'm a sixers fan so I don't really care at all who wins, just that they're all bad in 4 years as the sixers hopefully get good. But the NBA losing control over their games and then punishing a guy after the fact sucks and makes me not want to watch the finals, which shouldn't happen.
edit: additionally, i think technicals because referees "don't like your tone" after they already let the game get wildly out of hand are also stupid and make the game about them. ain't nobody watched a sporting event for the dudes in black and white stripes.
Good point. Should have been a tech or flagrant on the floor, and missing that and
waiting to decide later is another good example of the refs not handling their shit well.
Ok, fine. No suspension then. Just should have been ejected for one of the two shoulda been flagrants, and the tech (not to mention the retconned tech). It's fine though, whatever, refs suck, Cavs won, let's play game 5 without any Warriors fans jumping off a bridge.
Zaza did not punch anyone in the nuts. What you're looking at was his hand being ripped off the ball. He then hit the player in the leg in response to being fouled.
Edit: that entire sequence was amazing. LeBron punches zaza in the liver and then leans on him while attacking the ball. Shoves him to the ground while korver throws him to the ground by his neck and then schumptert grabs his arm and yanks it off the ball and people are mad that zaza's arms flew in the direction that schumptert threw them.
Whatever man. I don't think that's really a fair interpretation, but I also don't really care. The series is over, and the season is over. Warriors are the Champs, maybe the best team ever. Congrats to them.
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Say what you will about the Warriors making the playoffs uninteresting, but their impact on the league has certainly made the offseason considerably more entertaining.
Then, barring any unforeseen injuries, we can not pay attention to the NBA until next July.
The one I'm hearing more now is Melo. Paul George would fit in a lot better with CP3 and Harden though.
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Although I don't know what Jim Dolan was thinking, picking up the option a few weeks back.
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You're mistake is in assuming Dolan WAS thinking
Knicks have been irrelevant for a long time and will continue to be irrelevant. Just because they have NY in their name doesn't make anything they do interesting.
The end-of-season result is far from the only reason to actually watch basketball. Last season was pretty great and featured the most compelling MVP race in my lifetime, plus plenty of breakout stars and storylines. There's enough going on in the league that I think this kind of cynicism is totally unwarranted.
I agree. I have always felt that to focus solely on championships is myopic. 29 teams are going to end their season having not won a championship. Unless you root for a glory franchise, or an unrepentant front runner, being a sports fan will never be worth it if you can't enjoy the day to day of watching basketball, watching young players develop, getting excited by big games and breakout performances, and all the rest. The championship is just one part of it.
A decade of waiting for promising young players to pan out does get pretty old though. Source: I am a Wolves fan. We're entering Year 11 of the post-KG rebuild and haven't been to the playoffs in 13 seasons.
bahahahahha
I don't personally think you can win a title with Kyrie as your #1 unless your team is deep as all get-out, but it's still a move that makes a lot of sense for them. Was a good move for Cleveland, too, they managed to get a hell of a return on a player that wanted out, so they didn't exactly have an absolute ton of leverage to begin with.
What a crazy offseason this has been. I haven't been this excited to see what happens across the league this upcoming year in quite some time.
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Yeah, I mean, no one is saying being a fan of a perennially bad team is any fun. Wolves fans haven't gotten to have too much of the highs over the years. But, I'm saying, what about fans of like, say, the Grizzlies. They've had a good run, never really been a serious contender, but I'd rather be on their path then, like, the Suns right now.
meh isaiah was a huge defensive liability too, its not like they lost any d making this trade