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Remember, Remember the Sixth of November [2012 Presidential Election Thread]

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    THANK YOU!

    I feel complete now.

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    The reason Paul Ryan keeps using the word wonk all the fucking time is that it's part of his narrative - or at least the narrative the RomRy camp want to build up around him. Ryan is the technocratic policy worker that the Republicans have been missing so long! He has come down from Mt Bill Writing to spread his intelligent, carefully considered wisdom with the masses.

    They're looking for semi-biog pieces with cheerful, leading headlines like "What is a Wonk?", "Paul Ryan - Just a Regular Wonking Man", "Wonk Around the Clock" - cause you know, Wonk is a funny word that Sub-editors can hardly avoid punning on.

    "What a wonker"

    "The biggest wonker since that guy who owned a chocolate factory"

  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    Go wonk yourself

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    They have a feature now where the fictional cartoonist for the onion explains his "art" in a horrible creepy7 pedo voice

    That's what imagine the "Obama burns Constitution" and "Satan applauds Obama" guy sounds like.

    I'd love to see footage of that guy being asked to explain just what in the holy fuck his work is supposed to be saying.



    "See, Obama holds the chains . . . and the Common Man can't get money because, well . . . . . you're just some fucking liberal plant, aren't you!?"

    I think Hannity has interviewed that guy.

    Is he the same guy who did the "All the Republican Presidents are Awesome and Play Poker For Some Reason" painting?

    Because I'd love to see an actual conversation between guys like Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower, against modern Republicans like Palin and Romney.

    There wouldn't be so much a conversation as chairs being thrown.

    I'd like to think Lincoln would use a more civilized method of threatening bodily harm. (And no, not an ax)

    Remember that Lincoln is an undead-hunter.

  • Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    Zython wrote: »
    The reason Paul Ryan keeps using the word wonk all the fucking time is that it's part of his narrative - or at least the narrative the RomRy camp want to build up around him. Ryan is the technocratic policy worker that the Republicans have been missing so long! He has come down from Mt Bill Writing to spread his intelligent, carefully considered wisdom with the masses.

    They're looking for semi-biog pieces with cheerful, leading headlines like "What is a Wonk?", "Paul Ryan - Just a Regular Wonking Man", "Wonk Around the Clock" - cause you know, Wonk is a funny word that Sub-editors can hardly avoid punning on.

    He's a regular Willy Wonk-a.
    In that he supports exploitive labor practices and is dangerous to our nation's youth.

    Ooompa Loompa Doompity Doo
    We have a extended tax cuts for you
    Oompa Loompa Doompity Dee
    If you are wise, you'll vote for Romney

    What did you get when they passed ACA?
    Think of the taxes Mitt might have paid,
    Yours probably went up by a couple of bucks
    To treat some poor's cancer - those lucky ducks

    Oompa Loompa Doompity Dars
    That money should buy some rich douche's cars
    Oompa Loompa Doompity Dote
    Not class warfare - END OF QUOTE



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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Go wonk yourself

    That is a redundant tautology

  • Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    So, as an international relations student, I've been really concerned about Romney's total lack of message when it comes to IR. When it comes to actual, solid, policy differences from the Obama administration, the only thing I've seen was Romney's pledge to build a couple more carriers to counter China (yes, because it's China's lead on us in carriers that has led to the rise of China). This inexperience in foreign policy on the ticket (compounded by the Ryan pick), is apparently a lot worse than I thought
    It’s just that going in to the fall, their combined lack of experience means that there are a lot of conflicting interpretations of Romney’s (and Ryan’s) worldview. Some have suggested that Romney and Ryan are close to traditional Republican internationalists, others don’t see any real gap between Romney and Obama, while others see the team as becoming more aligned with neoconservativism. Even conservatives – in their many shapes – disagree on what Romney and Ryan stand for.

  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    So RomRy has finally achieved it? You look at them and see what you want to see?

  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    "I have to say, given the challenges America faces -- 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty -- the fascination with taxes I paid I find to be very small minded compared to the broad issues that we face," Romney said.

    Stay classy Romney.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited August 2012
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Couscous on
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-17/romney-tax-math-gets-easier-with-more-breaks-on-table.html
    Mitt Romney’s tax plan is more mathematically feasible than previously estimated and more politically difficult, according to an updated analysis from the authors of a nonpartisan tax study.

    The Tax Policy Center had initially calculated that Romney would need to shift $86 billion of the federal tax burden in 2015 from top earners to everyone else to meet other goals in his fiscal plan, because there aren’t enough tax breaks for high earners to offset rate cuts for that group.

    The updated analysis, which assumes that the Republican presidential candidate’s plan would eliminate decades-old tax breaks for life insurance and municipal bond interest, lowers that estimate to $41 billion and eliminates the gap if Romney is allowed to count higher revenues caused by economic growth.

    “Even if tax expenditures were reduced in that most progressive manner, the Romney proposals as a whole imply a shift toward a less progressive tax system,” co-authors Samuel Brown, Adam Looney and William Gale wrote in an updated paper released yesterday.

    ...

    “The whole thing is a disingenuous exercise because it’s politically absolutely impossible,” said Martin Sullivan, an economist and contributing editor at Tax Notes. “All of the tax benefits for the rich are very explicit. All of the offsetting tax increases on the rich are entirely vague.”

    ...

    ‘Can’t Complain’

    “Since Romney has said absolutely nothing about what he would do, he can’t complain too much when people make assumptions that he thinks are not accurate,” said Alan Viard, an economist at the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington group that favors smaller government and free markets.

    The researchers set up the study as a bend-over-backward approach, to see if Romney could meet his goals for revenue, tax rates and the progressivity of the system.

    The study assumes that tax breaks for mortgage interest, state and local taxes, charitable contributions, theft losses and employer-sponsored health insurance, among others, would disappear entirely at $200,000 of income a year. It assumes that breaks that are incredibly popular and have been in the tax code for decades could be dismissed with a minimal transition period.

    Sullivan said the center’s analysis was a reasonable attempt to fill in the blanks in Romney’s plan.

    “You give out the candy and you don’t talk about the pain,” Sullivan said. “So what’s an analyst to do? How are we supposed to analyze these proposals if you don’t fill in the blanks?”
    Life Insurance

    The updated study added back alternatives that had initially been considered off the table -- exclusion of municipal bond interest and of gains inside life insurance policies.

    The municipal bond changes, which would increase borrowing costs for state and local governments, would raise taxes by $25 billion for high-income taxpayers. The life insurance change would raise at most another $20 billion, the study said.

    The updated study doesn’t include several other tax breaks that benefit high-income taxpayers. For example, the center assumed that Romney’s plan to repeal the estate tax would touch the so-called step-up in basis.

    Under that rule, heirs get to reset the tax basis of assets to the date of death and only have to pay taxes on gains above that amount. The estate-tax repeal that was in place for 2010, however, included carryover basis, in which heirs would have to pay taxes on any gains above what the decedents originally paid for the asset.

    ...

    "It’s very hard to really analyze something this vague in a generally rigorous way,” Viard said. “The questions seem to multiply as you analyze it more.”
    Yay for politically impossible shit!

  • DexterBelgiumDexterBelgium Registered User regular
    I'm seriously thinking Orwell is writing this shit:
    - a dude jotting numbers on a back of a napkin is a "wonk"
    - a dude with subsequent budgets adding TRILLIONS to the debt and not reaching break-even until long after the decline of society (2030s) is a "fiscal conservative"
    - responding to lies is "being hatefilled and whining"
    - 1 year of tax returns is the same as 12
    - not having any position on anythng entitles you to say that the other guy is "not running on the issues"
    - not having any accomplishment of your own entitles you to say that the other guy is "not running on his record"
    - when you get caught lying, accuse the other guy of unspecified lying
    - when you get caught flipflopping, accuse the other guy of unspecified flipflopping
    - ignorance is wisdom, lies are truth and freedom is oppression.

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    I'm seriously thinking Orwell is writing this shit:
    - a dude jotting numbers on a back of a napkin is a "wonk"
    - a dude with subsequent budgets adding TRILLIONS to the debt and not reaching break-even until long after the decline of society (2030s) is a "fiscal conservative"
    - responding to lies is "being hatefilled and whining"
    - 1 year of tax returns is the same as 12
    - not having any position on anythng entitles you to say that the other guy is "not running on the issues"
    - not having any accomplishment of your own entitles you to say that the other guy is "not running on his record"
    - when you get caught lying, accuse the other guy of unspecified lying
    - when you get caught flipflopping, accuse the other guy of unspecified flipflopping
    - ignorance is wisdom, lies are truth and freedom is oppression.

    Hooray for the modern American media!

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    emp123 wrote: »
    So RomRy has finally achieved it? You look at them and see what you want to see?

    Quantum politics

    Observing their position on policy changes their position on policy

    fuck gendered marketing
  • LorcorctheLorcorcthe Registered User new member
    One needs to remember that Soviet Russia was ruled by Catholics, as it's an attested fact Stalin (or rather, Fr. Stalin, S.J.) was a Jesuit.

    CRIMES OF STALIN:
    Of publishing a false statement for the purpose of concealment of status: (1900 to present day) That the Catholic Church, more specifically the Jesuit Order has maintained countless false statements and documents pertaining to the status of Joseph Stalin. That Fr. Joseph Stalin S.J. was a trained, dedicated and fully ordained Catholic priest of the Jesuit order, who was recruited for a historic mission in his final year at the seminary in 1899. That in addition to failing to recognize Fr Joseph Stalin S. J. Furthermore, that the Jesuit Order did permit Fr Stalin to marry not once but twice, while remaining a fully ordained priest. That for his entire life until his death, there is no indication that Fr Joseph Stalin S. J. was ever defrocked as a priest.

    Of Murder (political assassination) (1924): That Jesuit Superior General Wlodimir Ledochowski did order Fr. Joseph Stalin S. J.to murder the leader of Communist Russia on January 21, 1924, aged 53. That Fr. Stalin did act to protect his position and mission as General Secretary of the Communist Party upon the insistence of Lenin that he be removed. That not only did Stalin have Lenin poisioned, but that he did spread rumours upon his ascendancy to absolute power that Lenin has been mentally unwell for the last few years of his reign and had even died from Syphilis.
    Of one of the greatest crimes against humanity: (1939-1945) That the Catholic Church through its deliberate placement of key figures including loyal Catholics Mussolini, Hitler, Franco and Fr Stalin S,J. and through its financing of a second European arms race including the deliberate extension of the war is directly and ultimately responsible for the deaths of in excess of 63,000,000 people between 1939 and 1945. What is of supreme depravity and inhumanity is that this was done by an organization that maintains the façade of being a “good” religion headed by a position known as “his holiness”. Furthermore, that the Catholic Church did profit on this terrible act of evil.
    Of open contempt for church law for the purpose of promoting crimes against humanity: (1953 to present) That the Catholic Church has well established laws and cases of excommunicating individuals after their death from actions considered heretical. That these laws enabling a dead person to be excommunicated have been available for use for over three hundred years. That at the death of Fr. Joseph Stalin S. J. the leader of the Soviet Union in 1953, there was sufficient evidence both that Fr. Stalin was Catholic and had ordered some of the greatest atrocities of human history including reputedly the death of over 60,000,000 innocent people. That at no time since the end of Word War II until the present day has any Pope ever sought to excommunicate Fr. Stalin S. J. That such inaction, and deliberate concealement of his status even until his death of being a fully empowered Catholic priest and of even being Catholic by itself implies the tacit support of Stalin’s actions, regardless of any public statement by the Vatican to the contrary. Furthermore, such inaction voids any legality, or credibility of the excommunication and heresy investigation process of the Catholic Church as such inaction by the Vatican is in open contempt for church law. That all excommunications since 1953 are to be considered suspect and potentially invalid due to the nullification of the credibility of such law.

  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    What the hell was that?

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Geez, you'd think that guy would get the hint by now.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    What the hell was that?

    Bircher-level insanity

    fuck gendered marketing
  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Orc wordbarf. Pay no heed.

  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Well, he's gotten a whole two bills passed. Pretty impressive ones, too. One named a post office, one changed the way archery arrows are taxed. How does that not scream "experienced and talented" to you?

  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    dbrock270 wrote: »
    So, as you guys might know, Ryan is a huge Rage Against the Machine fan, and in response Tom Morello wrote an Op-Ed for Rolling Stone about him.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816

    Wow... that's worse than the time Thom York called Scott Tennorman a fucking crybaby.

    /familyguy
    Sigh.

    "Paul Ryan is the embodiment of the machine against which our music rages," ya doof. No wonder the kids with their rap music fail in school!

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Qingu wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    dbrock270 wrote: »
    So, as you guys might know, Ryan is a huge Rage Against the Machine fan, and in response Tom Morello wrote an Op-Ed for Rolling Stone about him.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816

    Wow... that's worse than the time Thom York called Scott Tennorman a fucking crybaby.

    /familyguy
    Sigh.

    "Paul Ryan is the embodiment of the machine against which our music rages," ya doof. No wonder the kids with their rap music fail in school!

    This is the kind of tedious nonsense up with which I will not put! :P

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Well, he's gotten a whole two bills passed. Pretty impressive ones, too. One named a post office, one changed the way archery arrows are taxed. How does that not scream "experienced and talented" to you?

    ..........wow

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Also, he's a keen bow hunter, so it affects him directly (even if you assume he isn't best buds with the head of whoever looks after this type of thing).

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    I hope they go after Romney on this "it's small-minded to care about my tax returns" quote.

    I remember seeing a poll where like 67% of Americans want him to release more returns?

    Plus there's the fact that a centerpiece of Romney's entire economic policy—and something which his party has absolutely refused to make concessions about for the past 12 years—is the idea that wealthy people like Romney already pay too much in taxes and need to pay less. So it seems germane to ask not only what Romney actually pays in taxes but how he would personally benefit from his policy proposals.

  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    I don't take an issue with the archery bill affecting him directly. Sometimes that's beneficial, because it means they know the issue. A bow hunter is going to know a lot more than arrows than someone who's never touched a bow before. I can't imagine he spends more than a negligible portion of his income on bow taxes, so I doubt it has a tangible effect on him, either. Unless he's so greedy he can't even stand the government taking a few dollars here and there.

    If he is friends with arrow manufacturers, sure, that's an issue. But the fact that he's a bow hunter himself is no big deal, IMO.

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Year of the Bow continues!

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Well, he's gotten a whole two bills passed. Pretty impressive ones, too. One named a post office, one changed the way archery arrows are taxed. How does that not scream "experienced and talented" to you?

    Hey now, he also got a bunch of stimulus money for his district!

    ... but says that was a mistake and it won't happen again.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJb6tA1cXT0&feature=player_embedded

    That is the sound of Obama and the AARP skull-fucking Romney and Ryan.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Well, he's gotten a whole two bills passed. Pretty impressive ones, too. One named a post office, one changed the way archery arrows are taxed. How does that not scream "experienced and talented" to you?

    The arrow tax was a very clever way to stave off class warfare though. Easier to ignore Robinhood if he can't afford ammunition.

    I'm not claiming to know on archery related taxes (I didn't even know they taxed arrows that way), but wasn't the tax supposed to be a reduction on all but the cheap crap brands?

    Of course, that would be taking Paul Ryan at his word on fiscal matters, and that's a road that leads nowhere good. It just seems actually reasonable to me, though it's pretty pointless and really sad if half of his legislative experience is tied up in that thing.

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Well, he's gotten a whole two bills passed. Pretty impressive ones, too. One named a post office, one changed the way archery arrows are taxed. How does that not scream "experienced and talented" to you?

    The arrow tax was a very clever way to stave off class warfare though. Easier to ignore Robinhood if he can't afford ammunition.

    To be fair, he reduced the tax on all arrows, but as it's now a flat tax people who buy fancy arrows end up paying less relative to those scrubs buying basic arrows.

    We have yet to see all the extra jobs in the feudal castle defence, Ren Faire and Medieval folkloric outlaw sectors, though - yet another indictment of the "lower taxes create jobs" myth.

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Well, he's gotten a whole two bills passed. Pretty impressive ones, too. One named a post office, one changed the way archery arrows are taxed. How does that not scream "experienced and talented" to you?

    The arrow tax was a very clever way to stave off class warfare though. Easier to ignore Robinhood if he can't afford ammunition.

    I'm not claiming to know on archery related taxes (I didn't even know they taxed arrows that way), but wasn't the tax supposed to be a reduction on all but the cheap crap brands?

    Of course, that would be taking Paul Ryan at his word on fiscal matters, and that's a road that leads nowhere good. It just seems actually reasonable to me, though it's pretty pointless and really sad if half of his legislative experience is tied up in that thing.

    I don't think it's fair to say "half of his legislative experience." I brought up that he only has had two very very minor bills passed because it kind of disproves that he's a major policy wonk. But let's be equal rights here. His failed legislation should still be brought up and laughed at, too.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Well, he's gotten a whole two bills passed. Pretty impressive ones, too. One named a post office, one changed the way archery arrows are taxed. How does that not scream "experienced and talented" to you?

    The arrow tax was a very clever way to stave off class warfare though. Easier to ignore Robinhood if he can't afford ammunition.

    To be fair, he reduced the tax on all arrows, but as it's now a flat tax people who buy fancy arrows end up paying less relative to those scrubs buying basic arrows.

    We have yet to see all the extra jobs in the feudal castle defence, Ren Faire and Medieval folkloric outlaw sectors, though - yet another indictment of the "lower taxes create jobs" myth.

    It takes time for money to trickle down from those who have the tactical advantage of the high ground.
    It's like running water turning plains into canyons. It may take a million years, but eventually it'll be beautiful.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2012
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Since we need a picture. Romney going all professor with a whiteboard for us.

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    Holy shit Romney totally put up a Four Square -- now you KNOW you're about to get fucked!

    I hope there's a more straight-on shot of this, because it has some potential as a meme in the style of Steve Roger's final message to Tony Stark.

    Edit: also, holy shit I'm still 6 pages from being caught up.

    Forar on
    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So what has Ryan done to be considered a wonk? He sure as hell hasn't made any serious budget bill. Hell, the budget bill was incomplete because it was magically revenue neutral thanks to assuming unidentified extremely popular loopholes could be closed. A wonk would make something more complete that explained precisely how it was going to be revenue neutral other than the vague "close tax loopholes" bullshit.

    Well, he's gotten a whole two bills passed. Pretty impressive ones, too. One named a post office, one changed the way archery arrows are taxed. How does that not scream "experienced and talented" to you?

    The arrow tax was a very clever way to stave off class warfare though. Easier to ignore Robinhood if he can't afford ammunition.

    To be fair, he reduced the tax on all arrows, but as it's now a flat tax people who buy fancy arrows end up paying less relative to those scrubs buying basic arrows.

    We have yet to see all the extra jobs in the feudal castle defence, Ren Faire and Medieval folkloric outlaw sectors, though - yet another indictment of the "lower taxes create jobs" myth.

    It takes time for money to trickle down from those who have the tactical advantage of the high ground.
    Yeah, the people below shouldn't even try, the advantage is insurmountable.

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