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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I think we can safely agree that just about all Star Trek would be better if they'd acknowledge two things: (1) the Holodeck would be used solely for interactive porn, and (2) it was never added.

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    SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2007
    SpeedySwaf wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    Voyager did have one thing going for it: Harry Kim, easily the most pathetic character in the history of Trek.

    It's clear that the writers enjoyed tormenting him even more than they did O'Brien.
    I was personally fond of the Doctor:
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    I agree.

    Incidentally, isn't it odd that some of the best characters to come out of Star Trek - Voyager's Doctor, TNGs Data and Worf, DS9s Quark, TOSs Spock - are all typically socially stunted personalities, struggling to come to terms with human society either due to being determinedly alien personalities or simply artificial intelligences?

    I don't want to cast aspersions on the target audience, but still...


    For me, the maturity of Star Trek has tracked my life pretty succinctly, with appropriate levels of maturity and depth for my age at the time. TOS reruns when I was a toddler, TNG when I was a young teenager, DS9 when I was in my late teens and then...well, Voyager doesn't really fit, unless you count big-titted Borgs as being analogous with my sexual awakening. Voyager never really enticed me, something about the premise - it just felt like an unnecessary step back to a weak-sauce version of TNG. Enterprise, I haven't watched. Despite being universally slated, I occasionally caught bits of it and thought it looked all right. I think I could probably enjoy it because, despite having watched one ST or another for pretty much my entire life, I'm not emotionally invested in it. I don't particularly care if they piss all over the continuity of the universe or if that doodah couldn't have existed at that point in time because some dork with a ridiculous name hadn't invented it yet. It's sci-fi-lite, easy to digest and entertaining for half an hour a week.


    On the whole though, I think I've just outgrown Star Trek and what the creators want it to be. Firefly and BSG provide much deeper characters and situations for me to chew over now. Star Trek all just feels a bit...sheltered, humourless. Stuff like Buffy/Angel or even Stargate seem a lot more interesting in terms of the characters.

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    TobyToby Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    To be fair, every Star Trek series had its good and bad points, it's just that with TNG you can simply not watch the first two seasons, and with DS9 you can dodge anything about the Ferengi; watching the best of Voyager is like trying to traverse a minefield in the dark. And you have no legs.

    I think the complaints about Seven of Nine's inconsistencies could just as easily be applied to Data (how many times did he take his first step to becoming human?), it's just that Data was a far better character in general (except in the first two seasons, surprise). I always found Seven pretty boring until a big two-parter episode came around where she actually got to develop a bit - but it all got taken away by the next episode anyway.

    I agree that the focus of Voyager should have been the Starfleet-Maquis conflict, and it annoys me to no end that it wasn't, but I also feel that the Bajoran and Cardassian stories of DS9 were much more interesting than the Dominion arc, and wish more attention had been paid to those. Sisko's character arc of adjusting to being the Emissary was fantastic and more than a few episodes were spent on it but I still wanted more of that, too; especially regarding his relationship with Kira, which I think got a look-in for a B-plot in one episode.

    In the end I think the strengths and weaknesses of each series are pretty much the characters they had; the reason Voyager and Enterprise are pretty lame is because they each have one character a piece that you care about. TNG and DS9 had a good line-up and the bad episodes happened largely when they focussed on the weak links in the cast, while the amazing episodes pretty much star Picard or Data, or Sisko or O'Brien or Bashir or Garak or... yeah DS9 was the best.

    But, obviously, Firefly and BSG are better than them all.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    TNG and DS9 have the most likable TV show characters. TOS probably does too for a lot of people. I can only stand the movies though.

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    MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I don't know but when I saw firefly and they couldn't even keep the fucking camera steady during a regular shot, that didn't sit well with me.

    Farscape, now there's a show.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Meiz wrote: »
    I don't know but when I saw firefly and they couldn't even keep the fucking camera steady during a regular shot, that didn't sit well with me.

    Farscape, now there's a show.
    Wait, what?

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Farscape doesn't seem any better than SG-1 to me.

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    DuckterPepperDuckterPepper Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    it's muppets in space for crying out loud.

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    corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Anyone else noticed Boston Legal seems to have every other Star Trek actor it in it?

    And acting rather better too.

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    Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Meiz wrote: »
    I don't know but when I saw firefly and they couldn't even keep the fucking camera steady during a regular shot, that didn't sit well with me.

    Farscape, now there's a show.

    Farscape was pretty good but wins for Won't Get Fooled Again:
    Crais: You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. Do you understand these rights?

    Crichton: No.

    Crais: Then I can't arrest you!

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Farscape was awesome. Hilarious. The way John Crichton slowly goes crazy over the series was great. I mean, he starts out as a regular guy caught in the middle of an insane universe and just trying to be left alone, and by season 4 he's walking on the table of the Peacekeeper/Scarran summit with a nuke tied around his waiste.

    The way Crichton talks, with his constant use of pop culture references, is pretty funny. Aeryn was a great character, the kind that just, you know, grows on you until you love her. Scorpius was a crazy villain. And Harvey... oh how I loved the scenes with Harvey.

    Man, I miss Farscape.

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    jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    SpeedySwaf wrote: »
    I was personally fond of the Doctor:
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    The Doctor is easily the best character in Voyager. I just watched "Living Witness" yesterday, and it was really good for two reasons.

    1.) It focused on the Doctor.
    2.) It's as close as Voyager ever got to Mirror Universe episode (that I remember).

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    NexusSixNexusSix Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I love BSG and Firefly, but Farscape was a fantastic series too. Get in the muppet digs all you like, but this show had outstanding characters, great writing, beautiful FX shots and some of the best alien make-up I've ever seen (Natira alone was a gorgeous Giger-esque monstrosity and the Scarrans and Scorpius were just bad-ass).

    * Aeryn and Crichton's romance is one of the best ever done on TV. Period.

    * @ Richy: ditto. Crichton was batshit insane hilarious, and I've never seen comedy done so well on a sci fi show.

    * "Harvey" was brilliant.

    * Some of the best Sci Fi episodes done for TV: Won't Get Fooled Again; Liars, Guns and Money I, II and III; Infinite Possibilities Part II (sun gets pulled through a wormhole to destroy Scarran Dreadnaught--fuck yes!); Nerve; Hidden Memory; Family Ties; Mind the Baby; Die Me, Dichotomy and Season of Death is one of the best.

    * Scorpius: best villian evar.

    * Talyn: best psychotic, marauding biomechanical gunship evar.

    * Comparing Farscape to Stargate is like comparing a Caribbean vacation to a root canal.

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    Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I think of Farscape more as fantasy than Sci-Fi, strictly speaking. Yeah, it takes place in space, but it's much more about quirkiness and just screwed up aliens, as opposed to exploration, technology and sociology.

    In the same thinking, I'd be tempted to say Star Wars also isn't sci-fi.

    Also, on the differences between Star Wars and Star Trek: I think I liked the fact that Star Trek was about something, and had a message. Even if you hate it, you've got to acknowledge that it's a pretty good show to raise kids on, just because of the open-minded spirit. Star Wars was kind of...I dunno, Disney. All with it's "destiny" and shit.

    Was no one else bothered by the sheer number of people the characters in Star Wars killed? I say this because my cousin's home is very anti-gun- no toys, games, anything with guns. But her kids watch Star Wars SO MUCH...what kind of message is that sending? It's only okay to kill people if you believe you are the chosen one?

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    Rogue_KRogue_K Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Man, this thread makes me want to get into Star Trek.

    I used to be a big Star Wars fan and for some reason I thought that meant I was not allowed to watch Star Trek, so I've never seen any of the shows or movies, but reading this thread and the wiki articles about the different shows makes it seem super cool.

    Well....not "cool", but...


    Dude. You're allowed to watch Star Trek. I'm a Star Wars die hard but really enjoy watching Trek a lot. It's like saying, "because i enjoy chocolate ice cream i'm not allowed to eat vanilla". They're both different flavors of scifi. Enjoy them both.






    I'm going to have to agree with what people mentioned of T-pol in Enterprise. It is really irritating seeing her express emotion as much as she does. There was an episode where she had to go after some escaped convict or some shit and she was all QQ about it. T-pol is less of a Vulcan and more of a human with suppressed emotions. She would have been better written as a human who grew up with Vulcans or some shit imo.

    She does look amazing in tight uniforms though. ^^

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yes, Farscape had muppet characters.

    You should realise that they were awesomely animated, with the entire facial range of real actors. They also had good personality and good character development, and real relationships with the human characters and with each other. Even the scenes with only muppet characters talking to each other felt real.

    Or you could just get hung up on "OMG MUPPETS!" and miss out on one of the best sci-fi shows of the decade.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Rogue_K wrote: »
    I'm going to have to agree with what people mentioned of T-pol in Enterprise. It is really irritating seeing her express emotion as much as she does. There was an episode where she had to go after some escaped convict or some shit and she was all QQ about it. T-pol is less of a Vulcan and more of a human with suppressed emotions. She would have been better written as a human who grew up with Vulcans or some shit imo.

    She does look amazing in tight uniforms though. ^^

    The only purpose of T'Pol was to get the "horny teenage boy looking for softcore porn" demographic. She never did anything but walk around in skintight catsuits. She gave "therapy" (read: naked massages) to Trip. She had an episode dedicated to her getting a virus that made her horny. Even in the episode where she wore a Starfleet uniform, she wore it with an open collar and no shirt under it. I mean, really:

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    That's what Star Trek was reduced to. It went from social commentary/action/futuristic exploration to softcore porn in space.

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    desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I started watching Trek with Voyager, then did TNG, then DS9. When I'd finished watching DS9, that last episode, gosh I wept like a child! I really loved the show, and probably every character other than Ezri meant something to me. Voyager was a fun waste of an hour, generally. I didn't take it seriously, but I wish that I could have, because all the pieces were in place to make it the most badass show ever. Alas. Chakotay spirit quests my ass.

    Probably one of the reasons I love BSG so much is how vastly different (and superior) it is to any Trek show, even though its generally the same format. The characters fuck up, things don't get fixed, things deteriorate and they deteriorate hard, and the pay offs are supremely good. The closest Voyager got to a character acting in a realistic way was Seska, and even that became a soap-operatic horror that destroyed any notion of coolness.

    ...Oh god. Nerd levels, rising.

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    Rogue_KRogue_K Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Richy wrote: »
    Yes, Farscape had muppet characters.

    You should realise that they were awesomely animated, with the entire facial range of real actors. They also had good personality and good character development, and real relationships with the human characters and with each other. Even the scenes with only muppet characters talking to each other felt real.

    Or you could just get hung up on "OMG MUPPETS!" and miss out on one of the best sci-fi shows of the decade.



    Funny thing about Sci-fi fans and "muppet" characters is how they're selective on what they refer to as a muppet.

    Yoda has always been a "muppet", but you'll hear more people complain about the cgi Yoda in the prequels. Or, they'll completely ignore Yoda all together and instead cry out "zomg teh ewok mupets ruin starwrz". Hypocrits.


    Richy wrote: »
    The only purpose of T'Pol was to get the "horny teenage boy looking for softcore porn" demographic. She never did anything but walk around in skintight catsuits. She gave "therapy" (read: naked massages) to Trip. She had an episode dedicated to her getting a virus that made her horny. Even in the episode where she wore a Starfleet uniform, she wore it with an open collar and no shirt under it. I mean, really:

    hawt

    That's what Star Trek was reduced to. It went from social commentary/action/futuristic exploration to softcore porn in space.



    lol you're definately right about that. It was seriously over the top at times. At least with other star trek "vixens" they'd leave more to the imagination. T-pol would just suddenly be half naked for any reason.



    Also, in response to a spoiler about Enterprise that was mentioned earlier:
    No fucking way they bring the BORG into the Enterprise world? Bleh. What a crock of shit. I'm glad i've been warned.

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    desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Rogue_K wrote: »
    Funny thing about Sci-fi fans and "muppet" characters is how they're selective on what they refer to as a muppet.

    Yoda has always been a "muppet", but you'll hear more people complain about the cgi Yoda in the prequels. Or, they'll completely ignore Yoda all together and instead cry out "zomg teh ewok mupets ruin starwrz". Hypocrits.

    I'm not sure. If yoda had looked like something you slept with when you were 3 years old I'm not sure people would have liked him, cgi or otherwise.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Rogue_K wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Yes, Farscape had muppet characters.

    You should realise that they were awesomely animated, with the entire facial range of real actors. They also had good personality and good character development, and real relationships with the human characters and with each other. Even the scenes with only muppet characters talking to each other felt real.

    Or you could just get hung up on "OMG MUPPETS!" and miss out on one of the best sci-fi shows of the decade.



    Funny thing about Sci-fi fans and "muppet" characters is how they're selective on what they refer to as a muppet.

    Yoda has always been a "muppet", but you'll hear more people complain about the cgi Yoda in the prequels. Or, they'll completely ignore Yoda all together and instead cry out "zomg teh ewok mupets ruin starwrz". Hypocrits.

    The really funny thing is, complaints about alien characters on TV shows basically come in three flavours:

    "OMG all aliens look human! That sucks!"
    "OMG all aliens are humans with cheap makeup/costumes! That sucks!"
    "OMG all aliens are muppets/CGI characters! That sucks!"

    Well really, what are our options here? Casting real aliens?

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    Rogue_KRogue_K Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Richy wrote: »
    The really funny thing is, complaints about alien characters on TV shows basically come in three flavours:

    "OMG all aliens look human! That sucks!"
    "OMG all aliens are humans with cheap makeup/costumes! That sucks!"
    "OMG all aliens are muppets/CGI characters! That sucks!"

    Well really, what are our options here? Casting real aliens?



    :lol:

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    GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Farscape was awesome. In fact, I personally rank it above Firefly, simply because some of Firefly's cast felt too similar to Buffy's at times (Wash was a carbon copy of Xander).

    Plus, well, Scorpius.

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    jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yes, but Firefly had a kung-fu space hooker.
    And she was hot.

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    Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I think Jubal Early should get his own show.

    In the Star Trek universe.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Hybrid wrote: »
    I only ever watched Star Trek on and off, never got right into it even though I enjoyed it, but my favourites where TNG, TOS, and DS9. I never really got into voyager at all, and only saw season 1 of Enterprise.

    One episode of DS9 I (vaguely) remember, is one with a cardasian (???) terrorist, who had gone under a face change or something and turned out to be another person. Damned if I can remember exactly what happened now, because I saw it ages ago, but I remember it being a really good episode, so maybe someone can help me figure out what episode it was?

    It's called Duet, it's the second last episode of season 1 and yes, it's one of the best episodes of Trek around. I was about to bring that up. The war wasn't the only good thing about DS9, they actually made alot of great stand-alones too.

    Also, anything involving Garek is automatically awesome.

    PS -
    FYI, the plot is they capture a Cardassian travelling on a ship docking at the station who's supposed to be this guy named Gul Darhe'el, who is resposible for some of the most horrible examples of torture and death from the occupation. It goes from there.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    My favourite DS9 episode still remains "In the Pale Moonlight". Although of course any episode involving Garak ranks highly.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    That's the one where they get the Romulans into the war right? Yes, best episode of DS9. I love Garak's "Well, what the hell did you think I was gonna do? I can't make a fake they'd believe" thing.

    Also, I've made this rant many a time, but still:

    Voyager is the saddest Trek because it had so much goddamn potential. And they did nothing with it. Thnik about it:

    - ship in the middle of nowhere with limited supplies and everything breaking down
    - integration of 2 crews with 2 completely different styles of command who really dislike each other

    You could write a whole series around that easily, think BSG. And they they'd hint at interesting things to explore and then avoid them or forget them.

    Like I remember this episode where the Doctor (best character on the show FYI, love that actor) finds out they've erased his memory because something he did had caused him to begin behaving eratically. So he starts yelling at Janeway, and she's like "Hey. Your the only doctor we've got. I need you to work. And if I need to erase your memory to get you to do that, I will.". And I was like "Yes, goddamn. That's great.". And then they go back on it later in the episode. Ugh.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    That's the one where they get the Romulans into the war right? Yes, best episode of DS9. I love Garak's "Well, what the hell did you think I was gonna do? I can't make a fake they'd believe" thing.

    Also, I've made this rant many a time, but still:

    Voyager is the saddest Trek because it had so much goddamn potential. And they did nothing with it. Thnik about it:

    - ship in the middle of nowhere with limited supplies and everything breaking down
    - integration of 2 crews with 2 completely different styles of command who really dislike each other

    You could write a whole series around that easily, think BSG. And they they'd hint at interesting things to explore and then avoid them or forget them.

    Like I remember this episode where the Doctor (best character on the show FYI, love that actor) finds out they've erased his memory because something he did had caused him to begin behaving eratically. So he starts yelling at Janeway, and she's like "Hey. Your the only doctor we've got. I need you to work. And if I need to erase your memory to get you to do that, I will.". And I was like "Yes, goddamn. That's great.". And then they go back on it later in the episode. Ugh.
    Then the next episode he's working fine again, and none of this is even mentioned again.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yup. And that is why Voyager sucks.

    I think they should just forget Voyager or Enterprise ever happened and start another series with Voyager's premise but actually do it properly this time.

    Hmm, that reminds me, must start watching Farscape. Haven't got around to it yet. Did that mini-series thing they did end it off well?

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    Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    And I agree about DS9. There is a certain amount of cheese in Star Trek, and DS9 and Enterprise are the ones, to me, that avoid it best.
    Enterprise has time-travelling alien Nazis. In Gestapo uniforms.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    And I agree about DS9. There is a certain amount of cheese in Star Trek, and DS9 and Enterprise are the ones, to me, that avoid it best.
    Enterprise has time-travelling alien Nazis. In Gestapo uniforms.
    You're fucking kidding me, right?

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    Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    And I agree about DS9. There is a certain amount of cheese in Star Trek, and DS9 and Enterprise are the ones, to me, that avoid it best.
    Enterprise has time-travelling alien Nazis. In Gestapo uniforms.

    Hey, and Voyager had Spartan alien Nazis. I dunno, things that absurdly cool sort of hide the cheese.

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    Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    And I agree about DS9. There is a certain amount of cheese in Star Trek, and DS9 and Enterprise are the ones, to me, that avoid it best.
    Enterprise has time-travelling alien Nazis. In Gestapo uniforms.
    You're fucking kidding me, right?
    No. That reveal was, if I remember correctly, the ep-out of the Season 3 finale.

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    ED!ED! Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Man Voyager had so much potential, and boy did they drop that ball hard. The biggest problem - did ANYONE ever take the Maquis that Janeway was chasing seriously? I sure as hell didnt. Belana least of all, but Chakotay was up there (even if he had the look and I was glad we got a native american on a trek ship - that WASNT palling around with Wesley Crusher). But this ship should have been about Janeway having to juggle the loyalty of a new crew, with surviving in the Gamma Quadrant. But man, was all that screwed up. And bad. I mean it should have been Treks BSG - instead it was just TNG with a touch more seriousness.

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    StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'm a big Trek fan, so I'll chime in.

    The original series is not too good. There's a reason that it got cancelled. It's very charming, but overall it's there for the real big fans. Unless you have a lot of free time, pick another sci-fi.

    TNG: What can I say, I grew up on it. Picard is hands down best captain, and let's face it, having a quality actor goes a long ways. What's amusing is an episode of TNG that is on almost everyone's Top 5 Ep List, called The Inner Light, features 30+ minutes of very little scifi, just having Patrick Stewart act. Another favorite was after the Borg incident, the show spent an hour on Picard trying to recover from what he had done, which is pretty rare to see in TV shows.

    TNG had plenty of great moments and characters (Q, I love Barclay for using holodeck for sex, etc). The problem is there's no real 'arc'-that is, no cohesive plot over the seasons. To be fair, arcs were unheard of at the time. Recommendations: find the best episodes of each season, watch those, move on. Skip the crap.

    DS9-pretty strong. It's pretty much a Bab5 ripoff in concept, executed differently. Again, had some strong characters, but sadly, I liked the 'bad' guys a ton more than the good-Gul Dukat was great, and Garek I'd classify as bad as well. Plus Wallace Shawn as the Ferengi leader :P. DS9 had a strong arc, but it still stalled and stagnated a lot. Best to watch in order, but 7 seasons is a ton of viewing commitment, and I'm not sure it's worth the payoff compared to other scifi.

    Voyager-I tried to like it, couldn't really get over my hatred of Q loving Janeway. I did enjoy the Species 8297 or whatever, as well as the hunters that chased them. I eventually got disinterested in the show and didn't follow the last few seasons. Again, some strong characters like the Doctor.

    Enterprise: Had friends who loved it, I never saw more than a few episodes. Just Trekked out at this point.

    Recommended viewing: TNG single episodes, if you really like it, watch full seasons. Then Original Series classic eps, and only if you're really digging ST, invest in DS9. Skip Voyager/Enterprise.

    On topics of other scifi that's run its course:
    Babylon 5 was DS:9 but better. Horribly wooden acting from everyone but G'Kar and Londo, but the first four seasons were amazing. The first true 'arc' show. Best space battles besides BS:G, great villains, everything.

    Farscape-another 'arc' show. I'd honestly recommend this over any other scifi. It's got crazy awesome aliens, a soap opera feel, and the single best villain of television (introduced near the end of Season 1). 'Hello, John' can only be said by Scorpius. Pretty good romance story as well. Sadly, 4th season declined in quality (just like B5's fifth).

    Firefly-worth watching because only 13 episodes. People love it, I respect it but am not a huge fan.

    The Prisoner. Not sure if this is sci-fi. 1967 TV show, my favorite show of all time about a spy who resigns, is captured by unknown people, and each week his captors try to break his mind. Incredibly depressing-my sister couldn't watch it after 4 episodes because she was crying so much after failed escapes. Only 17 episodes I think.

    Dr. Who. No idea how to watch this, so many damn episodes.

    Red Dwarf. Comedy in space. First season mediocre, 2nd season ok, 3-7 fucking incredible, 8 good. Only 6 30min eps a season, so quick to view (24 total hours=1 season of other shows). And awesome.

    Battlestar Galactica-not finished yet, withholding judgment. It's dropped from best scifi all time to probably 3rd in my opinion, but that's still good.

    tl;dr
    Watch in this order if want 'true' scifi: Farscape seasons 1-3, Bab5 1-4 (for both only do last season if totally into it), ST:TNG best episodes (probably 10 a season), Firefly, ST:TOS best eps, DS9. Don't watch voyager/enterprise unless you're really bored. If you're willing to try the crazy Prisoner/Red Dwarf, put those in 1 & 2 spot.

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    AibynAibyn Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Dr. Who. No idea how to watch this, so many damn episodes.

    I agree with all that you said, and as for the Doctor Who, I've got the first two new seasons, and i have to say they are a great introduction to the universe of it. As for how to get the older stuff, $700 for the entire run? Hells ya!

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    MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I'm going to throw Alien Nation into the mix.

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    StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yeah, i definitely left out a few, like 4400, X-files, etc, Earth 2, which I don't have as much experience with.

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    areaarea Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    Hmm, that reminds me, must start watching Farscape. Haven't got around to it yet. Did that mini-series thing they did end it off well?

    Yes, to the extent that I don't want them to bring it back unless they pretend the miniseries didn't happen, and then just expand the miniseries to twenty or so episodes, and film that.

    The miniseries is great. They used all the squibs in Australia so that no other show could get any for weeks.

    Bear with Farscape for the first half of the first season; it's not great, but every series needs to find its feet. When it does so, it's definitely worth it.

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