*sigh*
Look, I built Big Blue with overtime money in 2007 (thank you assholes who said they would show up on black friday and bailed [$$])and finally got the HD4850 in 2008. I just paid off my outstanding debts and return to school soon. This and skyrim may be the most advanced games I play for a few years and will get their own steam category of "things to play when I have a rig that can fuck the maximum settings up"
started a new character in new vegas. are there any general levels at which to take on the dlcs?
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BrocksMulletInto the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered Userregular
edited February 2013
For me:
Honest Hearts: 10-15
Dead Money: 20-30
Old World Blues: 35-45
Lonesome Road:45-50
Honest hearts is the easiest, and gives you the best ROI for gear, plus a nice side story and insight into the legion. Bring a few useful weapons.
Dead Money takes all your stuff, and is the hardest due to low resources and enviromental dangers, but levels don't matter that much. Hack, don't shoot. Very good side story, ties into Brotherhood stuff, you can leave megarich, if you play your cards right...
OWB is funny, creepy side story, though kinda front-loaded. Some people think the combat is hard, but bring a weapon that uses .45-70 ammo or a good unarmed/melee weapon, and you'll do just fine. I think it's the longest DLC too. Proton axe is the light.
Lonesome Road is kind of a final dungeon, do near the end, linear, gives some fun, but not nessacary gear. Finish's off the Couriers story/ the story from the other DLC's. Has the most challenging combat in the game, still not that bad, if your stealthy and careful.
Note:Some people like to switch up OWB and DM because enemy health scaling makes OWB more manageable at lower levels. Plotwise, I'm still not sure if it's better to do DM first, or OWB, though that was the release order.
For me:
Honest Hearts: 10-15
Dead Money: 20-30
Old World Blues: 35-45
Lonesome Road:45-50
Honest hearts is the easiest, and gives you the best ROI for gear, plus a nice side story and insight into the legion. Bring a few useful weapons.
Dead Money takes all your stuff, and is the hardest due to low resources and enviromental dangers, but levels don't matter that much. Hack, don't shoot. Very good side story, ties into Brotherhood stuff, you can leave megarich, if you play your cards right...
OWB is funny, creepy side story, though kinda front-loaded. Some people think the combat is hard, but bring a weapon that uses .45-70 ammo or a good unarmed/melee weapon, and you'll do just fine. I think it's the longest DLC too. Proton axe is the light.
Lonesome Road is kind of a final dungeon, do near the end, linear, gives some fun, but not nessacary gear. Finish's off the Couriers story/ the story from the other DLC's. Has the most challenging combat in the game, still not that bad, if your stealthy and careful.
Recommend against OWB (heck, any of them, but OWB especially) above 30. Enemies get MAD bullet spongey.
For me:
Honest Hearts: 10-15
Dead Money: 20-30
Old World Blues: 35-45
Lonesome Road:45-50
Honest hearts is the easiest, and gives you the best ROI for gear, plus a nice side story and insight into the legion. Bring a few useful weapons.
Dead Money takes all your stuff, and is the hardest due to low resources and enviromental dangers, but levels don't matter that much. Hack, don't shoot. Very good side story, ties into Brotherhood stuff, you can leave megarich, if you play your cards right...
OWB is funny, creepy side story, though kinda front-loaded. Some people think the combat is hard, but bring a weapon that uses .45-70 ammo or a good unarmed/melee weapon, and you'll do just fine. I think it's the longest DLC too. Proton axe is the light.
Lonesome Road is kind of a final dungeon, do near the end, linear, gives some fun, but not nessacary gear. Finish's off the Couriers story/ the story from the other DLC's. Has the most challenging combat in the game, still not that bad, if your stealthy and careful.
Recommend against OWB (heck, any of them, but OWB especially) above 30. Enemies get MAD bullet spongey.
Fah, kneel before the Proton Axe! I guess I just like to space out the content throughout the whole game ( and I did do pretty much everything), and it never gets that hard anyway. Except for the bomb collar...
I really like to skip out of good springs and sneak into vegas with a luck of 7 and start gambling, get some implants, hit up HH, then OWB before returning to goodsprings to throw down.
Admittedly the path heading north past Neil's shack and clinging close to the mountain can be tricksy.
Namely the weapons from HH and getting OWB done early means they dont become massive bullet spongey assholes.
I have both on the PS3 and I rarely have bug issues. I know it freezes sometimes when I'm playing a marathon game and I'm sitting there for 8+ hours, but I always considered that more a feature than a downside since I really shouldn't be playing that long. Beyond that, though, I don't recall many other problems.
I went into OWBs at or near max level once, and burned through every drop of ammunition I had, thousands of rounds of .308 alone vanished fast with the automatic rifle and the lack of damage enemies took.
Ended up relying on proton axes just to finish.
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OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
If you just use the Proton Axe and Superheated Saturnite Fist, it doesn't matter what level you do OWB on.
If you don't, prepare to expend every single round of ammunition you possess before resorting to the the above.
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BrocksMulletInto the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered Userregular
edited February 2013
I sense a disturbing lack of brush guns...
Edit: Also, you should have the Survialist Rifle and 700 rounds of ammo on you at all times.
And a one shot kill sniper rifle, with 300 rounds.
And over 100 food items.
And multiple melee/ unarmed weapons.
And A Light Shining in Darkness, 300 rounds.
And every random item you've ever found, including dog brains you don't use.
Edit: Also, you should have the Survialist Rifle and 700 rounds of ammo on you at all times.
And a one shot kill sniper rifle, with 300 rounds.
And over 100 food items.
And multiple melee/ unarmed weapons.
And A Light Shining in Darkness, 300 rounds.
And every random item you've ever found, including dog brains you don't use.
Do you even lift?
I swear my guy was like Donald Duck at the end of one of the WW2 cartoons. No sleep (whole short was him struggling to pitch his tent for the night and failing), just throwing everything into pack at dawn so the pack isn't clean and neat but instead a giant bag on a frame, accidentally lashes a TREE to his pack, strains for a few moments, uproots the thing and just keeps marching with his unit.
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EmberquickMaster of DungeonsDeep UndergroundRegistered Userregular
edited February 2013
I just finished OWB in my late 30's early 40's, and didn't really have that rough of a go. And I'm a shooter, not a hitter (my melee skills are still under 30).
I did Dead Money first, and it was like going through boot camp. It was hell, but everything after has seemed easier by comparison.
Also, DM gave me a modded Holorifle, which has *never* left my side since. I went into OWB with that, a thousand rounds of MFC ammo, and a bunch of weapon repair kits, and did just fine.
A couple times I resorted to a riot shotgun for the higher DPS, but otherwise I just pumped fools full of holo-light the whole way. I always found stupid amounts of MFC ammo for the rifle--I left Big Mountain with more MFC ammo than I went in with.
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Dr. ChaosPost nuclear nuisanceRegistered Userregular
I was under the impression that relation between Bethesda and Obsidian were pretty bad, but apparently, that is not so.
Relations between the development studios was never bad. Maybe relations between Bethesda's Marketing and Obsidian.
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Dr. ChaosPost nuclear nuisanceRegistered Userregular
edited February 2013
Guys in Obsidian have a lot of history with Fallout.
I'm sure they've retained that love for the series well through development of New Vegas and it probably wouldn't be hard for them to get back into it again.
It would be nice to see the NCR (really loved having them back) again....and New Reno, dammit.
I'd like to see Fallout push down into Mexico, Maybe a conflict between a new mexican state and NCR expansionism, complete with a new stand at the Alamo.
I'd also like to see the side you support matter more, with wildly different outcomes.
I may or may not want this to encourage the reuse of Raul and the return of Danny Trejo
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Dr. ChaosPost nuclear nuisanceRegistered Userregular
edited February 2013
As interesting as it would be to visit post apocalyptic Britain or some place in China, Bethesda usually says Fallout is about the American Wasteland when people bring up other nations and I tend to agree. Once you start expanding that far, you lose some of the more connected lore stuff thats attached to the states like Vault-Tec, Robco, Brotherhood of Steel, etc.
There are fifty states (or commonwealths...whatever), a lot to get through before I want to see them consider spin offs or DLC in foreign countries.
I do sometimes wonder if Japan has been overrun by giant skyscraper sized rad monsters though.
Bethesda doesn't care about internal consistency within the same game, I have my doubts about how concerned they are with overall lore threads
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BrocksMulletInto the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered Userregular
So, I take it the Wanderer's Edition mod, makes Fallout 3 play more like NV, right? Iron sights, less perks, VATS doesn't make you invincible, etc. I've come to accept the Bethesda version of the Fallout universe, it's the combat and leveling that's holding me back.
So, I take it the Wanderer's Edition mod, makes Fallout 3 play more like NV, right? Iron sights, less perks, VATS doesn't make you invincible, etc. I've come to accept the Bethesda version of the Fallout universe, it's the combat and leveling that's holding me back.
That's part of it, yeah. The big thing about FWE is overall game balance: adding enemy subclasses, changing how skillbooks and bobbleheads work, damn near everything. Also adds the alternate start thing, which lets you pick a background and skip the Vault 101 intro. I dare say its implementation of eating and sleeping works better than Hardcore mode in NV, in that you are actually penalized for overeating and drinking too much. Fair warning though, it makes the mall unbelievably challenging on default settings - "mutie camps may spawn random behemoths" challenging - so you may want to fiddle with the options until you find a happy medium.
So how did the rest of my 1 luck/jinxed Fallout 1 playthrough go?
I was forced to eradicate Junktown when Killian accidentally shot me instead of the assassin. Goddamn it Ian!
Tycho was killed when an over enthusiastic Blade unloaded his assault rifle into his spine.
During the attack on the Cathedral, the Turbo Plasma rifle, as you know the best weapon in the game, suffered a critical failure and exploded in the Vault Dwellers face, ending his life and dooming the wasteland to the Master's army.
I want a fallout game based around the Mississippi, where there is a commerce based civilization. New Orleans is like Venice. They trade goods from the Midwest to the remnants of the Caribbean, and vice versa. St. Louis is the northern most point of their empire. Central conflict is between them and the Midwest Brotherhood over St. Louis.
So, I take it the Wanderer's Edition mod, makes Fallout 3 play more like NV, right? Iron sights, less perks, VATS doesn't make you invincible, etc. I've come to accept the Bethesda version of the Fallout universe, it's the combat and leveling that's holding me back.
That's part of it, yeah. The big thing about FWE is overall game balance: adding enemy subclasses, changing how skillbooks and bobbleheads work, damn near everything. Also adds the alternate start thing, which lets you pick a background and skip the Vault 101 intro. I dare say its implementation of eating and sleeping works better than Hardcore mode in NV, in that you are actually penalized for overeating and drinking too much. Fair warning though, it makes the mall unbelievably challenging on default settings - "mutie camps may spawn random behemoths" challenging - so you may want to fiddle with the options until you find a happy medium.
I'm actually really excited to start playing New Vegas. It's one of those games that, for whatever reason, I never got around to playing even though I'm a big fan of the series. Because I'm starting so incredibly late, I've seen a ton of cool story and gameplay related stuff, but the actual experience of playing I'm really looking forward to.
While I'm super glad the original Fallout developers finally got a chance to do a new sequel with most of the ideas from Van Buren, I think the community still owes a debt of gratitude to Besthesda for resurrecting a series everyone had written off. Even if Vegas was just a refinement, the core engine and gameplay is still 100% based on Fallout 3.
The NCR-Brotherhood war, Ceasar's Legions, Joshua Graham, the Rangers, Cassidy's daughter and seeing Marcus again. This is gonna be awesome.
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BrocksMulletInto the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered Userregular
Yeah, it may not end up being entirely my cup of tea, I come to really appreciate how good a fit the basic Bethesda template is for Fallout games, nigels about balance and story aside. I like to wander, and I really like that I still get to play Fallout. The thought that we might have alternating, differing takes on the same great universe makes me really happy.
The radio was absolutely brilliant. It's amazing how such a simple thing can effect your emotions when playing.
Walking around a scarred, barren, corpse strewn Earth while Happy Times is playing, to me, hammers home just how much has been lost in the world of Fallout.
I know Fallout 3 gets shit because the writing isn't that great in comparison to the other games, but when it clicks, it clicks.
manwiththemachinegun on
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chiasaur11Never doubt a raccoon.Do you think it's trademarked?Registered Userregular
The radio was absolutely brilliant. It's amazing how such a simple thing can effect your emotions when playing.
Walking around a scarred, barren, corpse strewn Earth while Happy Times is playing, to me, hammers home just how much has been lost in the world of Fallout.
I know Fallout 3 gets shit because the writing isn't that great in comparison to the other games, but when it clicks, it clicks.
It's still pretty cool in Vegas, but the decreased desolation cuts into the feel a little.
And there's a glitch that makes some songs play a bit... too often. This is just fine with Big Iron, but some of the other example, less so.
(20 men had tried to catch him, 20 men had made a slip, 21 would be the Ranger with the Big Iron at his hip.)
Yeah, it may not end up being entirely my cup of tea, I come to really appreciate how good a fit the basic Bethesda template is for Fallout games, nigels about balance and story aside. I like to wander, and I really like that I still get to play Fallout. The thought that we might have alternating, differing takes on the same great universe makes me really happy.
I hear that. I went in expecting to be the stubborn old guy that resists change, since I'm one of those crazy people that prefer the old school Resident Evils (still thought 4 was great, don't get me wrong). But I can easily sink weeks into this style of gameplay and I'm glad Bethesda took a stab at it. If all they do is keep the engine from exploding and come up with a passable story by FO4, I'll snap it up at full price. If they just fix the engine and let some other team go nuts with it? Day one.
I wish they hadn't made Fallout 3 a sequel to Fallout 1 and 2.
It would have worked much better if it took place much earlier, just a few years or decades after the war. The main conflict could have been between two different remnants of the US government/military. That would explain why DC was still so undeveloped but still had access to a lot of pre-war tech.
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BrocksMulletInto the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered Userregular
It did what it was supposed to do, reintroduce a lost series to modern audience. It was hugely successful.
As down as most people are on "mainstreaming," Fallout 3 is an example of it working almost perfectly. No one cared about Fallout anymore. So they kept it simple, the Enclave, Super Mutants, Brotherhood of Steel. Stuff that people who played the games would remember (I'm not talking about hardcore fans, but rather those who played the games and moved on), and newcomers would get a slice of what made the original games so cool.
I'd rather have some minor inconsistencies like East Coast Brotherhood (we already had the Chicago Brotherhood anyway) and Super Mutants, than the series relaunch appealing only to the ultra hardcore, with no one else giving a shit. And that's exactly what happened. So while Fallout 3 has aged poorly, especially in plot and writing, it introduced a HUGE new audience of people to the series.
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Look, I built Big Blue with overtime money in 2007 (thank you assholes who said they would show up on black friday and bailed [$$])and finally got the HD4850 in 2008. I just paid off my outstanding debts and return to school soon. This and skyrim may be the most advanced games I play for a few years and will get their own steam category of "things to play when I have a rig that can fuck the maximum settings up"
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Honest Hearts: 10-15
Dead Money: 20-30
Old World Blues: 35-45
Lonesome Road:45-50
Honest hearts is the easiest, and gives you the best ROI for gear, plus a nice side story and insight into the legion. Bring a few useful weapons.
Dead Money takes all your stuff, and is the hardest due to low resources and enviromental dangers, but levels don't matter that much. Hack, don't shoot. Very good side story, ties into Brotherhood stuff, you can leave megarich, if you play your cards right...
OWB is funny, creepy side story, though kinda front-loaded. Some people think the combat is hard, but bring a weapon that uses .45-70 ammo or a good unarmed/melee weapon, and you'll do just fine. I think it's the longest DLC too. Proton axe is the light.
Lonesome Road is kind of a final dungeon, do near the end, linear, gives some fun, but not nessacary gear. Finish's off the Couriers story/ the story from the other DLC's. Has the most challenging combat in the game, still not that bad, if your stealthy and careful.
Note:Some people like to switch up OWB and DM because enemy health scaling makes OWB more manageable at lower levels. Plotwise, I'm still not sure if it's better to do DM first, or OWB, though that was the release order.
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Recommend against OWB (heck, any of them, but OWB especially) above 30. Enemies get MAD bullet spongey.
Why I fear the ocean.
Fah, kneel before the Proton Axe! I guess I just like to space out the content throughout the whole game ( and I did do pretty much everything), and it never gets that hard anyway. Except for the bomb collar...
Edit: But yes, your way is more efficient.
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Admittedly the path heading north past Neil's shack and clinging close to the mountain can be tricksy.
Namely the weapons from HH and getting OWB done early means they dont become massive bullet spongey assholes.
But dead money and LR are right there.
I thought that this was an exaggeration, but I brought so much .50M and at least twenty mini-nukes, and... this is getting interesting.
It. It was horrible! It ruined the experiance for me.
My favorite was Honest Hearts though, I really like the Burned Man as a character.
Battlenet ID: MildC#11186 - If I'm in the game, send me an invite at anytime and I'll play.
Ended up relying on proton axes just to finish.
If you don't, prepare to expend every single round of ammunition you possess before resorting to the the above.
Edit: Also, you should have the Survialist Rifle and 700 rounds of ammo on you at all times.
And a one shot kill sniper rifle, with 300 rounds.
And over 100 food items.
And multiple melee/ unarmed weapons.
And A Light Shining in Darkness, 300 rounds.
And every random item you've ever found, including dog brains you don't use.
Do you even lift?
Steam: BrocksMullet http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197972421669/
I swear my guy was like Donald Duck at the end of one of the WW2 cartoons. No sleep (whole short was him struggling to pitch his tent for the night and failing), just throwing everything into pack at dawn so the pack isn't clean and neat but instead a giant bag on a frame, accidentally lashes a TREE to his pack, strains for a few moments, uproots the thing and just keeps marching with his unit.
I did Dead Money first, and it was like going through boot camp. It was hell, but everything after has seemed easier by comparison.
Also, DM gave me a modded Holorifle, which has *never* left my side since. I went into OWB with that, a thousand rounds of MFC ammo, and a bunch of weapon repair kits, and did just fine.
A couple times I resorted to a riot shotgun for the higher DPS, but otherwise I just pumped fools full of holo-light the whole way. I always found stupid amounts of MFC ammo for the rifle--I left Big Mountain with more MFC ammo than I went in with.
Disintegrating all the things.
A Shining Light in the Darkness indeed.
Battlenet ID: MildC#11186 - If I'm in the game, send me an invite at anytime and I'll play.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/12/and-heres-obsidians-idea-for-fallout-new-vegas-2/
I was under the impression that relation between Bethesda and Obsidian were pretty bad, but apparently, that is not so.
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I dunno why i never took night person before. Now I have a reason to look at the clock and I have Boone to help me kill.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
It's a great Fallout game. Hell, if nothing else, Bethesda should hire Obsidian's writers. That was the biggest improvement over Fallout 3.
Relations between the development studios was never bad. Maybe relations between Bethesda's Marketing and Obsidian.
I'm sure they've retained that love for the series well through development of New Vegas and it probably wouldn't be hard for them to get back into it again.
It would be nice to see the NCR (really loved having them back) again....and New Reno, dammit.
I'd also like to see the side you support matter more, with wildly different outcomes.
There are fifty states (or commonwealths...whatever), a lot to get through before I want to see them consider spin offs or DLC in foreign countries.
I do sometimes wonder if Japan has been overrun by giant skyscraper sized rad monsters though.
If they went to all the trouble of doing Fallout: Japan and didn't do this, I would go burn the studio down myself.
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There's one picture in particular though I can't find though, it's pretty well known.
Edit- Ah, why didn't I check Tumblr? Here we go.
That's part of it, yeah. The big thing about FWE is overall game balance: adding enemy subclasses, changing how skillbooks and bobbleheads work, damn near everything. Also adds the alternate start thing, which lets you pick a background and skip the Vault 101 intro. I dare say its implementation of eating and sleeping works better than Hardcore mode in NV, in that you are actually penalized for overeating and drinking too much. Fair warning though, it makes the mall unbelievably challenging on default settings - "mutie camps may spawn random behemoths" challenging - so you may want to fiddle with the options until you find a happy medium.
Details are here if you want to dig through them.
I was forced to eradicate Junktown when Killian accidentally shot me instead of the assassin. Goddamn it Ian!
Tycho was killed when an over enthusiastic Blade unloaded his assault rifle into his spine.
During the attack on the Cathedral, the Turbo Plasma rifle, as you know the best weapon in the game, suffered a critical failure and exploded in the Vault Dwellers face, ending his life and dooming the wasteland to the Master's army.
Moral of the story? Don't play with low luck!
I want a fallout game based around the Mississippi, where there is a commerce based civilization. New Orleans is like Venice. They trade goods from the Midwest to the remnants of the Caribbean, and vice versa. St. Louis is the northern most point of their empire. Central conflict is between them and the Midwest Brotherhood over St. Louis.
I'm actually really excited to start playing New Vegas. It's one of those games that, for whatever reason, I never got around to playing even though I'm a big fan of the series. Because I'm starting so incredibly late, I've seen a ton of cool story and gameplay related stuff, but the actual experience of playing I'm really looking forward to.
While I'm super glad the original Fallout developers finally got a chance to do a new sequel with most of the ideas from Van Buren, I think the community still owes a debt of gratitude to Besthesda for resurrecting a series everyone had written off. Even if Vegas was just a refinement, the core engine and gameplay is still 100% based on Fallout 3.
The NCR-Brotherhood war, Ceasar's Legions, Joshua Graham, the Rangers, Cassidy's daughter and seeing Marcus again. This is gonna be awesome.
Steam: BrocksMullet http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197972421669/
Walking around a scarred, barren, corpse strewn Earth while Happy Times is playing, to me, hammers home just how much has been lost in the world of Fallout.
I know Fallout 3 gets shit because the writing isn't that great in comparison to the other games, but when it clicks, it clicks.
It's still pretty cool in Vegas, but the decreased desolation cuts into the feel a little.
And there's a glitch that makes some songs play a bit... too often. This is just fine with Big Iron, but some of the other example, less so.
(20 men had tried to catch him, 20 men had made a slip, 21 would be the Ranger with the Big Iron at his hip.)
Why I fear the ocean.
Johnny Guita- TAB TAB TAB CHANGE STATION HURRY UP THE SINGING STARTS SOON OH GOD
I hear that. I went in expecting to be the stubborn old guy that resists change, since I'm one of those crazy people that prefer the old school Resident Evils (still thought 4 was great, don't get me wrong). But I can easily sink weeks into this style of gameplay and I'm glad Bethesda took a stab at it. If all they do is keep the engine from exploding and come up with a passable story by FO4, I'll snap it up at full price. If they just fix the engine and let some other team go nuts with it? Day one.
It would have worked much better if it took place much earlier, just a few years or decades after the war. The main conflict could have been between two different remnants of the US government/military. That would explain why DC was still so undeveloped but still had access to a lot of pre-war tech.
The things you say about Peggy Lee will never be forgiven.
(use this voice when reading:
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http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
As down as most people are on "mainstreaming," Fallout 3 is an example of it working almost perfectly. No one cared about Fallout anymore. So they kept it simple, the Enclave, Super Mutants, Brotherhood of Steel. Stuff that people who played the games would remember (I'm not talking about hardcore fans, but rather those who played the games and moved on), and newcomers would get a slice of what made the original games so cool.
I'd rather have some minor inconsistencies like East Coast Brotherhood (we already had the Chicago Brotherhood anyway) and Super Mutants, than the series relaunch appealing only to the ultra hardcore, with no one else giving a shit. And that's exactly what happened. So while Fallout 3 has aged poorly, especially in plot and writing, it introduced a HUGE new audience of people to the series.
And we got Van Buren anyway, mostly.