contrary to popular belief, it is not, in fact, all about the Benjamins.
Except there is a minimum level of Benjamins below which ones' life is ass, believe me, I've been there. When you are wondering where your next meal is coming from, perhaps art history should not be something you take out a bunch of loans for.
I guess i'll never convince you and you'll never convince me otherwise.
You are absolutely close-minded.
I'm impressed.
Because fulfillment matters nothing without money, right? Because there's zero value in loving what you do, right?
I'm sure my mom was very fulfilled scrubbing toilets to keep a roof over our head and food in our belly.
/rolleyes
Yeah if I was the person responsible for raising you to adulthood I'd feel pretty shitty about my life too.
I think the point which is being attempted to be made is that loving what you do is great but there is a threshold below which that alone isn't enough
Like if you are seriously starving or about to be homeless, maybe you need to devote some time to a thing you don't love but which will keep your head above water
edit: some other people said this already so whatever
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contrary to popular belief, it is not, in fact, all about the Benjamins.
Except there is a minimum level of Benjamins below which ones' life is ass, believe me, I've been there. When you are wondering where your next meal is coming from, perhaps art history should not be something you take out a bunch of loans for.
I guess i'll never convince you and you'll never convince me otherwise.
You are absolutely close-minded.
I'm impressed.
Because fulfillment matters nothing without money, right? Because there's zero value in loving what you do, right?
I'm sure my mom was very fulfilled scrubbing toilets to keep a roof over our head and food in our belly.
/rolleyes
Yeah if I was the person responsible for raising you to adulthood I'd feel pretty shitty about my life too.
contrary to popular belief, it is not, in fact, all about the Benjamins.
Except there is a minimum level of Benjamins below which ones' life is ass, believe me, I've been there. When you are wondering where your next meal is coming from, perhaps art history should not be something you take out a bunch of loans for.
I guess i'll never convince you and you'll never convince me otherwise.
You are absolutely close-minded.
I'm impressed.
Because fulfillment matters nothing without money, right? Because there's zero value in loving what you do, right?
I'm sure my mom was very fulfilled scrubbing toilets to keep a roof over our head and food in our belly.
/rolleyes
Yeah if I was the person responsible for raising you to adulthood I'd feel pretty shitty about my life too.
oh you're cool
well you're being dumb
especially when a lot of companies hire based on the skills you get while obtaining a degree and not the actual degree you received
On the subject of roommates, god dammit. Went for the shoyu in the cabinet, and one of my roommates had been keeping a bag of flour in there. Open bag, not even an attempt to seal it. Couldn't count the number of bugs on it. Guess he forgot this is the tropics.
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I did a BA in English and a BA in education and I'm doing just fine. I chose something I loved and combined it with a practical application.
I get the feeling that people don't grasp that there is two equally important parts to this equation. Do something you enjoy and find a way to apply it in such a way that you can earn a living from it.
It really also depends on what period of your life you're in when you go to uni. If you're a year or two out of highschool, a big part of uni is about learning to socialise as a fully grown adult. It's also about expanding your worldview, networking with people who will look out for you in some way or another and a bunch of other really awesome things
Tldr hey, quit hating on arts degrees also hey arts students get a jerb
I did a BA in English and a BA in education and I'm doing just fine. I chose something I loved and combined it with a practical application.
I get the feeling that people don't grasp that there is two equally important parts to this equation. Do something you enjoy and find a way to apply it in such a way that you can earn a living from it.
It really also depends on what period of your life you're in when you go to uni. If you're a year or two out of highschool, a big part of uni is about learning to socialise as a fully grown adult. It's also about expanding your worldview, networking with people who will look out for you in some way or another and a bunch of other really awesome things
Tldr hey, quit hating on arts degrees also hey arts students get a jerb
wait you did english?
i always assumed since you're in mining you did engineering or something
Yeah I work in training at the moment. One day I'd like to go and do some actual high school teaching but that's not something I'm gonna be doing until my late 30s-40s
Ultimately what I think this whole jobs argument comes down to is why the fuck are you worrying about someone else's life? You should probably focus on your own, first.
If dude over here wants to get as stable as quickly as possible by climbing the corporate ladder doing things he hates, whats it to you?
If guy over there seeks personal fulfillment over stability and peruses what he loves, what skin is it off your nose?
If this lady to the left has found a happy medium between the two, why are you concerned about it?
None of these people have anything to do with you. The best thing you can do is let them find out the rights and wrongs of these choices themselves, rather than pushing whatever agenda your anecdotal life experience has formulated and looking down your nose at them when they don't follow that agenda.
The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
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Some of you guys are being complete assholes here, you are strawman-ing the shit out of his point (or ignoring it entirely) and it's actually pissing me off just looking at it happening.
You don't have to hate a career that pays well, which seems to be a strange and alien concept to many of you, and objectively speaking, pursuing a degree that costs thousands of dollars and years of your life that will not provide for you in the future is not very smart.
I can agree with doing something you are passionate about but be open to the criticism that comes with it, there is a very real possibility that it may not be the best decision. No-one is saying to do something you absolutely abhor to throw yourself into the machine. Like tef said it's all about finding something you love and finding a way to apply that within the real world.
EDIT: another point is that you are allowed hobbies, and they don't have to tie in directly to your job or career. I build fibre optical components, but I also design and sell small run trophies and rewards, and am taking my first steps into laser engraving images to sell at shows and fairs. I draw space ships too. I do this in my own time
I don't love what I do but I love money because it gives me options to do shit i'm actually interested in, so I learn to deal with it
my eduction led me here and I have no regrets, I dropped out an arts degree to pursue a career in the industry I work in because I had no interest in academia or any of the material I was told to go study
getting paid lets me go away to do the things that I actually want to do and none of those things involve me going back to school if I can help it
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The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
I don't love what I do but I love money because it gives me options to do shit i'm actually interested in, so I learn to deal with it
my eduction led me here and I have no regrets, I dropped out an arts degree to pursue a career in the industry I work in because I had no interest in academia or any of the material I was told to go study
getting paid lets me go away to do the things that I actually want to do and none of those things involve me going back to school if I can help it
This is another point I wanted to make
I love cars, and I love travelling
I can't have fun with either if I can barely afford rent and food
I just realised what was bugging me about the whole 'stem or nothing' argument. The hell do you do with a maths degree? I suppose that there's probably some jobs out there, but it doesn't seem to guarantee you a job, most certainly no more than what people think of when they think of humanities subjects.
I just realised what was bugging me about the whole 'stem or nothing' argument. The hell do you do with a maths degree? I suppose that there's probably some jobs out there, but it doesn't seem to guarantee you a job, most certainly no more than what people think of when they think of humanities subjects.
Maths is a pretty useful skill, data parsing and analysis is used in most all modern industry, and it also sets a solid base for moving into more specialised fields with direct applications
I just realised what was bugging me about the whole 'stem or nothing' argument. The hell do you do with a maths degree? I suppose that there's probably some jobs out there, but it doesn't seem to guarantee you a job, most certainly no more than what people think of when they think of humanities subjects.
I just realised what was bugging me about the whole 'stem or nothing' argument. The hell do you do with a maths degree? I suppose that there's probably some jobs out there, but it doesn't seem to guarantee you a job, most certainly no more than what people think of when they think of humanities subjects.
Maths is a pretty useful skill, data parsing and analysis is used in most all modern industry, and it also sets a solid base for moving into more specialised fields with direct applications
Maths is definitely useful, but a 3 (or more) year degree seems to be a bit excessive if all you are trying to do is get a job. It seems to be useful within a degree, where you take a course or two to give you a bit of a base, and then focus on the career part of what you are doing (which seems to be why people are saying to take stem degrees). Data parsing and analysis could be covered within a statistics course or two. I'm just not seeing the point of a purely maths degree, if we are taking the 'you've got to do a stem degree to get a job because humanities is useless and only wastes time and puts you in debt' sort of view. Not saying that you're saying that. I just don't see how a 3 or 4 year maths degree guarantees you a job any more than humanities stuff.
I'm perfectly cool with people taking degrees purely because they interest you, I just don't see how a maths degree has the moral highground over any sort of humanities degree.
seriously, anyone with half a brain should have already done some work experience or made contacts in their field while at uni for those three years
if you spend your entire time at uni thinking amazing grades will guarantee you a job then you're going to shit yourself when you leave school
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CaptainBeyondI've been out walkingRegistered Userregular
Dropped out of a Audio Engineering course because I read the industry was dying. Music is a hobby now, rather than my life, and I reckon I enjoy it more for that.
I'd suggest you can have an unfulfilled working life and a happy life outside of that.
That's sort of what I was thinking. You can make any degree work for you. I didn't really follow the whole 'you've got to do stem or you'll never get a job' argument. As if a stem degree in itself was some sort of guarantee.
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But if there's nothing you want to do, what's the point?
And I dropped out of high school.
Yeah if I was the person responsible for raising you to adulthood I'd feel pretty shitty about my life too.
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Like if you are seriously starving or about to be homeless, maybe you need to devote some time to a thing you don't love but which will keep your head above water
edit: some other people said this already so whatever
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oh you're cool
edit: I mean George
well you're being dumb
especially when a lot of companies hire based on the skills you get while obtaining a degree and not the actual degree you received
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cage match between this guy and dbrock
deaconblues is the ref
I get the feeling that people don't grasp that there is two equally important parts to this equation. Do something you enjoy and find a way to apply it in such a way that you can earn a living from it.
It really also depends on what period of your life you're in when you go to uni. If you're a year or two out of highschool, a big part of uni is about learning to socialise as a fully grown adult. It's also about expanding your worldview, networking with people who will look out for you in some way or another and a bunch of other really awesome things
Tldr hey, quit hating on arts degrees also hey arts students get a jerb
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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wait you did english?
i always assumed since you're in mining you did engineering or something
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
bit.ly/2XQM1ke
I don't really need the "disagree" button so much as the "terrible puns button".
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History will vindicate me
If dude over here wants to get as stable as quickly as possible by climbing the corporate ladder doing things he hates, whats it to you?
If guy over there seeks personal fulfillment over stability and peruses what he loves, what skin is it off your nose?
If this lady to the left has found a happy medium between the two, why are you concerned about it?
None of these people have anything to do with you. The best thing you can do is let them find out the rights and wrongs of these choices themselves, rather than pushing whatever agenda your anecdotal life experience has formulated and looking down your nose at them when they don't follow that agenda.
this is too perfect
You don't have to hate a career that pays well, which seems to be a strange and alien concept to many of you, and objectively speaking, pursuing a degree that costs thousands of dollars and years of your life that will not provide for you in the future is not very smart.
I can agree with doing something you are passionate about but be open to the criticism that comes with it, there is a very real possibility that it may not be the best decision. No-one is saying to do something you absolutely abhor to throw yourself into the machine. Like tef said it's all about finding something you love and finding a way to apply that within the real world.
EDIT: another point is that you are allowed hobbies, and they don't have to tie in directly to your job or career. I build fibre optical components, but I also design and sell small run trophies and rewards, and am taking my first steps into laser engraving images to sell at shows and fairs. I draw space ships too. I do this in my own time
my eduction led me here and I have no regrets, I dropped out an arts degree to pursue a career in the industry I work in because I had no interest in academia or any of the material I was told to go study
getting paid lets me go away to do the things that I actually want to do and none of those things involve me going back to school if I can help it
This is another point I wanted to make
I love cars, and I love travelling
I can't have fun with either if I can barely afford rent and food
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Maths is a pretty useful skill, data parsing and analysis is used in most all modern industry, and it also sets a solid base for moving into more specialised fields with direct applications
actuary or trivia-show-host
Maths is definitely useful, but a 3 (or more) year degree seems to be a bit excessive if all you are trying to do is get a job. It seems to be useful within a degree, where you take a course or two to give you a bit of a base, and then focus on the career part of what you are doing (which seems to be why people are saying to take stem degrees). Data parsing and analysis could be covered within a statistics course or two. I'm just not seeing the point of a purely maths degree, if we are taking the 'you've got to do a stem degree to get a job because humanities is useless and only wastes time and puts you in debt' sort of view. Not saying that you're saying that. I just don't see how a 3 or 4 year maths degree guarantees you a job any more than humanities stuff.
Steam // Secret Satan
Steam // Secret Satan
if you're a deadbeat with a degree don't expect to be given a job as you leave your graduation ceremony
if you spend your entire time at uni thinking amazing grades will guarantee you a job then you're going to shit yourself when you leave school
I'd suggest you can have an unfulfilled working life and a happy life outside of that.
Steam // Secret Satan
please, dude
the proper nomenclature is "stunt cock"
Satans..... hints.....