I tried convincing SE++ to also roll Sargantanas, but they had misgivings about being on a Legacy server. It seems they are currently agreed on Behemoth.
Well, what can you do? If they want to be shafted on servers with no alternatives to poopsockers controlling crafting markets for a few months, then...eh?
Within a couple months, tops, it won't have made any difference what server type you started on; I wish they had never made the distinction because it's causing more problems than it's worth.
Yeah, all of the Legacy servers are 'ultimate' weapons/equipment from previous FF games; all of the 'fresh' servers are 'creatures' from previous FF games.
Does no one in SE++ have 1.0 characters they want to hold onto? That seems unlikely.
But, ah well, what can ya do? Folks want to play on 'fresh' servers; even if I find the reasoning a bit short sighted, it's their choice in the end.
I do think it's less reasonable to ask someone with potentially significant time invested in old characters though; which apparently is more common here than there, to give that up because some folks are afraid of some 50's.
Depending on peoples sub choices though, you can have alts so, hey, you never know.
And if not? Well, what can ya do? I'm sure there'll be plenty of great people to play with, PA or not, on any given server.
So, I'm not part of the SE++ community, but I just want to point out this kind of attitude would not help make a case for having them join us. It's very condescending, and generally people don't respond well to that.
it's condescending that we want to play on a fresh server?
What the hell is up with my cat constantly passing out?
You don't really get into it until level 30+, but your character is found to be suffering neurological side effects from a brain tumour. This also starts the clock on Yoshida's revolutionary new "player mortality" system, where each character you make has a limited lifespan before it "dies" and is deleted forever.
At least one part of that is a true statement.
Also, one other question. Let's say I start in Ul'dah and my friend starts in Gridania, how hard will it be for us to meet up and start questing together? What level would that happen at?
The level 15 story quest is when you get airship travel and the storylines meet up to clear the three first dungeons. There's not really anything you could do together before then, and it only takes a couple of hours to get to that point. Really, that stage of the game should just be thought of as an elaborate tutorial for the new players.
Have they given any indication of when Arcanist, Summoner, and Scholar will be added to the game? Are they planned for release or are they going to be in a post-release patch.
Things are pretty lonely in Lomsa right now with Marauder being the only starting class there.
Pretty sure Arcanist is set for the actual launch of the game.
I tried convincing SE++ to also roll Sargantanas, but they had misgivings about being on a Legacy server. It seems they are currently agreed on Behemoth.
Well, what can you do? If they want to be shafted on servers with no alternatives to poopsockers controlling crafting markets for a few months, then...eh?
Within a couple months, tops, it won't have made any difference what server type you started on; I wish they had never made the distinction because it's causing more problems than it's worth.
Yeah, all of the Legacy servers are 'ultimate' weapons/equipment from previous FF games; all of the 'fresh' servers are 'creatures' from previous FF games.
Does no one in SE++ have 1.0 characters they want to hold onto? That seems unlikely.
But, ah well, what can ya do? Folks want to play on 'fresh' servers; even if I find the reasoning a bit short sighted, it's their choice in the end.
I do think it's less reasonable to ask someone with potentially significant time invested in old characters though; which apparently is more common here than there, to give that up because some folks are afraid of some 50's.
Depending on peoples sub choices though, you can have alts so, hey, you never know.
And if not? Well, what can ya do? I'm sure there'll be plenty of great people to play with, PA or not, on any given server.
So, I'm not part of the SE++ community, but I just want to point out this kind of attitude would not help make a case for having them join us. It's very condescending, and generally people don't respond well to that.
it's condescending that we want to play on a fresh server?
ok
I think you got this mixed up.
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So this happened today... take a look at the chat window.
All that with a 12% chance for HQ.
e: Swapping between the PS3 and PC versions is -really- annoying. All of the hot keys and all of the equipment sets are saved on your computer, not on the server, so they don't update each other. Bleh.
It's even annoying on the same computer... I have to change the UI every time I make a character, reset key bindings... not well thought out.
Pretty sure it was phrased "telling people they're dumb for wanting to start on a new server is condescending and won't make anyone want to play with you." At least, that's how I read it.
SE++ went for behemoth because there was already one person on behemoth, more people got beta passes and joined him, and there you go, now we're on behemoth.
There will be a character wipe at the start of phase 4. Irregardless of how many people are on what server now, everyone can still be on the same server in phase 4
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So I will make a character on Behemoth when I install the client, and after the wipe, I will have one on Sargantanas. And probably one on Behemoth for SE++
Pretty sure it was phrased "telling people they're dumb for wanting to start on a new server is condescending and won't make anyone want to play with you." At least, that's how I read it.
With Duty Finder, are the servers it matches you with in specific clusters? Or is any server fair game? I.e., would someone on a Legacy server who queues be matched with people on non-Legacy servers? I ask because if this is the case it might help a bit with alleviating my concern of insufficient people at lower levels to help you do group content.
What the hell is up with my cat constantly passing out?
You don't really get into it until level 30+, but your character is found to be suffering neurological side effects from a brain tumour. This also starts the clock on Yoshida's revolutionary new "player mortality" system, where each character you make has a limited lifespan before it "dies" and is deleted forever.
At least one part of that is a true statement.
Funny, funny! No, I realize I have The Echo, I just find it funny she passes out every 5 steps.
With Duty Finder, are the servers it matches you with in specific clusters? Or is any server fair game? I.e., would someone on a Legacy server who queues be matched with people on non-Legacy servers? I ask because if this is the case it might help a bit with alleviating my concern of insufficient people at lower levels to help you do group content.
I can't provide a quote or anything but from everything I read it seems it will just pull people from all servers depending on location(German/french etc..). I doubt it will let you pick a specific server to cross-server group through the duty finder though.
What do i need to do to unlock satasha in the duty finder? It just says "Following requirements not met: Prerequisites". Doesn't tell me what those Prerequisistes are.
What do i need to do to unlock satasha in the duty finder? It just says "Following requirements not met: Prerequisites". Doesn't tell me what those Prerequisistes are.
Continue the main story quest. "It's Probably Pirates" is the quest you needed.
I tried convincing SE++ to also roll Sargantanas, but they had misgivings about being on a Legacy server. It seems they are currently agreed on Behemoth.
Well, what can you do? If they want to be shafted on servers with no alternatives to poopsockers controlling crafting markets for a few months, then...eh?
Within a couple months, tops, it won't have made any difference what server type you started on; I wish they had never made the distinction because it's causing more problems than it's worth.
Yeah, all of the Legacy servers are 'ultimate' weapons/equipment from previous FF games; all of the 'fresh' servers are 'creatures' from previous FF games.
Does no one in SE++ have 1.0 characters they want to hold onto? That seems unlikely.
But, ah well, what can ya do? Folks want to play on 'fresh' servers; even if I find the reasoning a bit short sighted, it's their choice in the end.
I do think it's less reasonable to ask someone with potentially significant time invested in old characters though; which apparently is more common here than there, to give that up because some folks are afraid of some 50's.
Depending on peoples sub choices though, you can have alts so, hey, you never know.
And if not? Well, what can ya do? I'm sure there'll be plenty of great people to play with, PA or not, on any given server.
So, I'm not part of the SE++ community, but I just want to point out this kind of attitude would not help make a case for having them join us. It's very condescending, and generally people don't respond well to that.
It isn't as much about trying to be condescending as much as it is about just acceptance mixed with frustration at faulty logic guiding the decision.
I was part of SE++ the first few years I was on the forums waaaaaaay back when. I played XI with SE++ at launch and they didn't care then either where G&T was playing. While a few folks around the forums manage to bridge the sub-forum gap pretty well, in the end the subforums tend to be pretty exclusive. I was also part of SE++ long enough to know that the folks around there have to be pretty thick skinned to survive long, so I'm not too worried about offending anyone.
I've just been around MMO's long enough to know that fresh servers are a trap, that folks going to them for 'fresh starts' end up getting shafted by less savory players who go there to be able to lord and control over others. It's confusing with XIV because it feels like 'well it's launch, so I'm safe' but technically XIV's launch isn't really a launch in that sense, not everyone is starting over; it's more like when an existing MMO releases fresh servers.
If anything, I'm just feeling overly cynical. When you see people in WoW or whatever clamoring for servers that are locked to Vanilla or TBC or something, it's not because they think it'll be a 'better' community, they think it will harken them back to a time when they were 'elite', when the 'casuals' couldn't access what they could access and they'll be able to have that 'unique snowflake' feeling again. When fresh servers are released, guilds that can't be 'firsts' on their established server jump ship so they can feel more hardcore by having less competition. Players who want a fresh start go there because they think they'll have a fresh community, but if they even see that at all, it's exceedingly fleeting due to how fast people will level. It's that way for a few days, a few weeks, and then level-wise, it's just any other server; but economy wise it's fucked up for months until things balance out.
I'm not saying anyone at SE++ is like that; at all, in fact I know they're not. I just think they have just fallen for the faulty logic that fresh servers will be fresh starts, and I actually kinda feel bad for them, when they'll have 100k gil level 20 gear because there aren't enough crafters to bring prices down on the marketplace. I feel bad because that is precisely the sort of thing that ruins experiences and gets people to stop playing. And that they think that they're running away from that, but they're actually running right to it.
And it's hard to not be frustrated at the confusion over the idea that they're choosing a server that people are playing on in a phase that will be wiped and in the end won't make any difference because it'll be wiped. There's nothing tying them to the server in phase 4/launch, but due to what is likely a misunderstanding, they've chosen that server. Plus the whole level thing being effectively irrelevant for party and important content, but levels scaring off people.
But then, past that, there's the acceptance of reality that...SE++ or not, this community (of XIV playing folks on PA) is relatively small. The reality is that a lot of G&T folks probably won't stick around XIV for long, a lot of SE++'ers won't either. The reality is that any given server will still have plenty of really cool non-PA folks and that's who we'll likely end up playing a lot with. I've played XI for years without ever seeing more than one or two other PA folks in-game, but still have found a lot of good people to play with, LS's to be a member of, etc. My point here is that we'll be ok either way, with or without SE++, with or without a really active PA Free Company. It's disappointing to have the split from the get-go, sure, absolutely...I just know it'll end up being fine. Between some folks having alts over there, some of those folks having alts over here, it'll work itself out, and it'll be fine.
Will it matter which race I pick for a certain class? I started different races for CNJ and the stats seemed to be different by 2 or 3 points between the 3 races I tested.
I guess If I picked a big people CNJ, that will pay off if I decide to go marauder?
Will it matter which race I pick for a certain class? I started different races for CNJ and the stats seemed to be different by 2 or 3 points between the 3 races I tested.
I guess If I picked a big people CNJ, that will pay off if I decide to go marauder?
Honestly? The two to three points difference doesn't matter. At level 30, my archer has around 120 dexterity, while the rest of the stats are in the gutter. Your level up and gear stats matter way more than your race.
Pick which one you like best. Big burly caster? Great. Tiny tank? Do it. Who cares.
So on conjurer, umbral ice and astral fire cancel each other out it seems. I am not clear on that mechanic.
They cancel each other out either way.
Umbral Ice is your Mana building buff; you keep it up to regen your mana quick, while lowering your damage output; Astral Fire is the opposite; it greatly increases mana consumption but also increases damage.
You just have to balance the use of the buffs to maintain mana but also put out the best damage you can.
I didn't really have any preference on which server to play on but considering that one group is telling me I'm an idiot who's going to get screwed if I'm so damn stupid to not choose their choice of server, and the other server is made up of people who just went, "Hey everyone create a char and we'll play together and it'll be fun," well, it's not really a hard choice of what the more pleasant playing experience sounds like it's actually going to be for me.
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I was really sad when the message popped up that I had finished the beta. I wanted to play more. I messed around heavily with Archer, Pugilist, and tried out both crafting and gathering a good amount besides doing all the story missions.
Anyways, here's my second beta character Melia Antiqua and her mount/battle companion chocobo Shulk.
With Duty Finder, are the servers it matches you with in specific clusters? Or is any server fair game? I.e., would someone on a Legacy server who queues be matched with people on non-Legacy servers? I ask because if this is the case it might help a bit with alleviating my concern of insufficient people at lower levels to help you do group content.
If you queue on the NA bank it will match you with all NA servers, legacy or not.
lol duty
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So, after being able to put in a significant amount of time for this phase of beta, I can say I'm very, very impressed with the game and will definitely be playing at launch. Kudos to Square for really buckling down and making a fantastic, up-to-date game that's in tune with what people want.
I didn't really have any preference on which server to play on but considering that one group is telling me I'm an idiot who's going to get screwed if I'm so damn stupid to not choose their choice of server, and the other server is made up of people who just went, "Hey everyone create a char and we'll play together and it'll be fun," well, it's not really a hard choice of what the more pleasant playing experience sounds like it's actually going to be for me.
That's really not the case. It's just frustration because as you just mentioned SE++ has basically just arbitrarily chosen a server and is now sticking to it even though everything will be wiped, and G&T chose a server for very specific reasons. If SE++ doesn't care about the server they are on and "just want to have fun playing with everyone" then there is no reason not to join everyone on Sargantanas. Conversely the reason we chose Sargatanas in the first place was because there are a lot of people who want to keep the progress and such they made with 1.0, and most of the people who are starting fresh don't care.
In my experience SE++ typically chooses a different server than G&T in MMOs (at least the ones I've played) so this is pretty much par for the course. I find this is mostly because the two communities don't visit eachothers threads very often, someone in each thread makes a decision about the server without consideration to the other thread and then both sides stick refuse to switch to consolidate everyone.
I'd be curious to know if there was ever an MMO that had both communities on the same server.
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At least one part of that is a true statement.
Pretty sure Arcanist is set for the actual launch of the game.
I think you got this mixed up.
It's even annoying on the same computer... I have to change the UI every time I make a character, reset key bindings... not well thought out.
Pretty sure it was phrased "telling people they're dumb for wanting to start on a new server is condescending and won't make anyone want to play with you." At least, that's how I read it.
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There will be a character wipe at the start of phase 4. Irregardless of how many people are on what server now, everyone can still be on the same server in phase 4
Yes, this is exactly how I meant it.
I can't provide a quote or anything but from everything I read it seems it will just pull people from all servers depending on location(German/french etc..). I doubt it will let you pick a specific server to cross-server group through the duty finder though.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/69886-Regarding-the-Next-Beta-Test-Schedule-(07-03-2013)
Continue the main story quest. "It's Probably Pirates" is the quest you needed.
It isn't as much about trying to be condescending as much as it is about just acceptance mixed with frustration at faulty logic guiding the decision.
I was part of SE++ the first few years I was on the forums waaaaaaay back when. I played XI with SE++ at launch and they didn't care then either where G&T was playing. While a few folks around the forums manage to bridge the sub-forum gap pretty well, in the end the subforums tend to be pretty exclusive. I was also part of SE++ long enough to know that the folks around there have to be pretty thick skinned to survive long, so I'm not too worried about offending anyone.
I've just been around MMO's long enough to know that fresh servers are a trap, that folks going to them for 'fresh starts' end up getting shafted by less savory players who go there to be able to lord and control over others. It's confusing with XIV because it feels like 'well it's launch, so I'm safe' but technically XIV's launch isn't really a launch in that sense, not everyone is starting over; it's more like when an existing MMO releases fresh servers.
If anything, I'm just feeling overly cynical.
I'm not saying anyone at SE++ is like that; at all, in fact I know they're not. I just think they have just fallen for the faulty logic that fresh servers will be fresh starts, and I actually kinda feel bad for them, when they'll have 100k gil level 20 gear because there aren't enough crafters to bring prices down on the marketplace. I feel bad because that is precisely the sort of thing that ruins experiences and gets people to stop playing. And that they think that they're running away from that, but they're actually running right to it.
And it's hard to not be frustrated at the confusion over the idea that they're choosing a server that people are playing on in a phase that will be wiped and in the end won't make any difference because it'll be wiped. There's nothing tying them to the server in phase 4/launch, but due to what is likely a misunderstanding, they've chosen that server. Plus the whole level thing being effectively irrelevant for party and important content, but levels scaring off people.
But then, past that, there's the acceptance of reality that...SE++ or not, this community (of XIV playing folks on PA) is relatively small. The reality is that a lot of G&T folks probably won't stick around XIV for long, a lot of SE++'ers won't either. The reality is that any given server will still have plenty of really cool non-PA folks and that's who we'll likely end up playing a lot with. I've played XI for years without ever seeing more than one or two other PA folks in-game, but still have found a lot of good people to play with, LS's to be a member of, etc. My point here is that we'll be ok either way, with or without SE++, with or without a really active PA Free Company. It's disappointing to have the split from the get-go, sure, absolutely...I just know it'll end up being fine. Between some folks having alts over there, some of those folks having alts over here, it'll work itself out, and it'll be fine.
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I guess If I picked a big people CNJ, that will pay off if I decide to go marauder?
Honestly? The two to three points difference doesn't matter. At level 30, my archer has around 120 dexterity, while the rest of the stats are in the gutter. Your level up and gear stats matter way more than your race.
Pick which one you like best. Big burly caster? Great. Tiny tank? Do it. Who cares.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
They cancel each other out either way.
Umbral Ice is your Mana building buff; you keep it up to regen your mana quick, while lowering your damage output; Astral Fire is the opposite; it greatly increases mana consumption but also increases damage.
You just have to balance the use of the buffs to maintain mana but also put out the best damage you can.
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Yes and Cnj the only class that effectively has unlimited resources at this point.
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Anyways, here's my second beta character Melia Antiqua and her mount/battle companion chocobo Shulk.
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The only time I run out of TP on my archer is if I spam my Quick Nock ability, so you can probably add them to that list.
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That's really not the case. It's just frustration because as you just mentioned SE++ has basically just arbitrarily chosen a server and is now sticking to it even though everything will be wiped, and G&T chose a server for very specific reasons. If SE++ doesn't care about the server they are on and "just want to have fun playing with everyone" then there is no reason not to join everyone on Sargantanas. Conversely the reason we chose Sargatanas in the first place was because there are a lot of people who want to keep the progress and such they made with 1.0, and most of the people who are starting fresh don't care.
In my experience SE++ typically chooses a different server than G&T in MMOs (at least the ones I've played) so this is pretty much par for the course. I find this is mostly because the two communities don't visit eachothers threads very often, someone in each thread makes a decision about the server without consideration to the other thread and then both sides stick refuse to switch to consolidate everyone.
I'd be curious to know if there was ever an MMO that had both communities on the same server.
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