i think people overstate the debates' value among undecided voters
like in order to be undecided at this point you have to have incredibly low interest in reading about politics at all, because they are already pretty clearly distinguishable candidates. undecided voters just aren't going to be that swayed by a wonky, boring 2 hour debate.
i think people overstate the debates' value among undecided voters
like in order to be undecided at this point you have to have incredibly low interest in reading about politics at all, because they are already pretty clearly distinguishable candidates. undecided voters just aren't going to be that swayed by a wonky, boring 2 hour debate.
i think people overstate the debates' value among undecided voters
like in order to be undecided at this point you have to have incredibly low interest in reading about politics at all, because they are already pretty clearly distinguishable candidates. undecided voters just aren't going to be that swayed by a wonky, boring 2 hour debate.
Hey, wait, I'm still undecided.
i would think you are undecided between obama and a third party candidate or obama and not voting
which is an even more difficult position to affect in a debate
I'm actually curious how someone could be undecided.
I understand there are a lot of nuances to some of the policies of Obama and Romney in terms of their potential impact on the economy.
But we're also on teetering on a lot of serious social issues - women's rights, birth control/abortion policy, gay rights - that could tip in pretty significantly depending on the party in office (especially since, statistically, that party would also likely control the house and senate after all is said and done).
So... is it just a matter of being apathetic about those issues? And if so, how is that even possible?
I'm actually curious how someone could be undecided.
I understand there are a lot of nuances to some of the policies of Obama and Romney in terms of their potential impact on the economy.
But we're also on teetering on a lot of serious social issues - women's rights, birth control/abortion policy, gay rights - that could tip in pretty significantly depending on the party in office (especially since, statistically, that party would also likely control the house and senate after all is said and done).
So... is it just a matter of being apathetic about those issues? And if so, how is that even possible?
Social issues are almost as unimportant as Foreign Policy in most elections, unless the economy is really, really stable
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Whats the consensus from some more conservative websites or forums, do they think the election is over now?
I'm actually curious how someone could be undecided.
I understand there are a lot of nuances to some of the policies of Obama and Romney in terms of their potential impact on the economy.
But we're also on teetering on a lot of serious social issues - women's rights, birth control/abortion policy, gay rights - that could tip in pretty significantly depending on the party in office (especially since, statistically, that party would also likely control the house and senate after all is said and done).
So... is it just a matter of being apathetic about those issues? And if so, how is that even possible?
Many people have a lack of faith in the sincerity and influence of those in government.
This leads them to avoid supporting any particular candidate or party.
I'm actually curious how someone could be undecided.
I understand there are a lot of nuances to some of the policies of Obama and Romney in terms of their potential impact on the economy.
But we're also on teetering on a lot of serious social issues - women's rights, birth control/abortion policy, gay rights - that could tip in pretty significantly depending on the party in office (especially since, statistically, that party would also likely control the house and senate after all is said and done).
So... is it just a matter of being apathetic about those issues? And if so, how is that even possible?
I'm actually curious how someone could be undecided.
I understand there are a lot of nuances to some of the policies of Obama and Romney in terms of their potential impact on the economy.
But we're also on teetering on a lot of serious social issues - women's rights, birth control/abortion policy, gay rights - that could tip in pretty significantly depending on the party in office (especially since, statistically, that party would also likely control the house and senate after all is said and done).
So... is it just a matter of being apathetic about those issues? And if so, how is that even possible?
Many people have a lack of faith in the sincerity and influence of those in government.
This leads them to avoid supporting any particular candidate or party.
I think a better point is that no one (in here anyway) has any hard data at all as to whether or not the mass proliferation of the internet has had any effect on how people in the sense this conversation is about. I'd be really interested in a study about it, but such things are not easy, considering just how big the internet is and how anonymous.
I personally don't think people have ever, in any time period, had any difficulty in only surrounding themselves with agreeing viewpoints, and the internet isn't really any different. But that's just my opinion, and it has no fact behind it. Same as the opposing point.
I have all that hard data. I'll tell you what it is after you concede I'm right.
I'm still at work and won't be able to check until tomorrow. Hows the fact checking looking? I know Obama told some, sadly, but how awful were all of Mitts?
Oh and that thing about the Tax cut for having an overseas business, that Mitt said didn't exist, your all smarter then me, I've heard of that before, its totally a real thing right?
So I hear the debate was pretty much as expected. Largely rather dull, no candidates really going out there. But because Romney was an actual human for once, he exceeded his super low expectations and was the 'victor'.
Politico seems to be all about Obama imploding during the debate, did he actually make a big stumble or gaffe?
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yeah uh glenn beck has been kicked out to the fringe again, he is basically as irrelevant as it is possible to be while still technically being a media figure
Welp, after reading a bit more widely and seeing that even James Carville called it for Romney, it looks like its back to playing electoral Russian roulette. Hopefully the media does its usual thing of over hyping the dark horse and Obama actually goes for it next time.
But onion joe is up next week and I hear he's already packing his cooler.
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I will probably actually watch the Onion Joe debate
I'm betting Obama will come back pretty hard in the next debate. I almost feel like he was caught off-guard or something. I don't see that happening twice.
And the same goes for Romney not immediately falling apart on stage. I almost feel like he got lucky tonight. The dude acts like someone with social anxiety disorder, and there were a few points during the debate where he went to the brink of triggering and somehow recovered. I bet he tumbles in the next debate.
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I'm betting Obama will come back pretty hard in the next debate. I almost feel like he was caught off-guard or something. I don't see that happening twice.
And the same goes for Romney not immediately falling apart on stage. I almost feel like he got lucky tonight. The dude acts like someone with social anxiety disorder, and there were a few points during the debate where he went to the brink of triggering and somehow recovered. I bet he tumbles in the next debate.
i have a feeling that the media is generally giving this one to romney because a lot of them might suspect that obama might just decimate romney in this next debate
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Onion Joe's talking points:
- If you want to see me whip Paul Ryan's ass give me a hell yeah
- Whip Paul Ryan's ass
- Taxes?
- Crack beers (pour beers on unconscious Ryan optional)
- If you want to see me whip Paul Ryan's ass give me a hell yeah
- Whip Paul Ryan's ass
- Taxes?
- Crack beers (pour beers on unconscious Ryan optional)
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Hey, wait, I'm still undecided.
so is Mitt
i would think you are undecided between obama and a third party candidate or obama and not voting
which is an even more difficult position to affect in a debate
I understand there are a lot of nuances to some of the policies of Obama and Romney in terms of their potential impact on the economy.
But we're also on teetering on a lot of serious social issues - women's rights, birth control/abortion policy, gay rights - that could tip in pretty significantly depending on the party in office (especially since, statistically, that party would also likely control the house and senate after all is said and done).
So... is it just a matter of being apathetic about those issues? And if so, how is that even possible?
Social issues are almost as unimportant as Foreign Policy in most elections, unless the economy is really, really stable
Many people have a lack of faith in the sincerity and influence of those in government.
This leads them to avoid supporting any particular candidate or party.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/404175
Ah, the "it's all bullshit anyway" platform
Well Glenn Beck's been convinced for a while now that Romney's the next George Washington, and the election is in the bag...
...as long as True Conservatives™ not only vote their conscience but do everything to make sure the Thiefocrats don't steal the election again.
I have all that hard data. I'll tell you what it is after you concede I'm right.
Do people still give a shit about Glenn Beck?
Even my father who's a Fox News whore doesn't seem to watch him anymore
Who won?
what I'm seeing is that Romney exceeded expectations (which isn't saying much given how low they were)
Good for him.
Good ol' Mitt.
I love an underdog.
How many zingers did he get out?
Oh and that thing about the Tax cut for having an overseas business, that Mitt said didn't exist, your all smarter then me, I've heard of that before, its totally a real thing right?
I don't think Fox dropped him, considering he now owns his own entire network...
Politico seems to be all about Obama imploding during the debate, did he actually make a big stumble or gaffe?
not unlike keith olbermann
good for him
bad for us!
but
good for him
But onion joe is up next week and I hear he's already packing his cooler.
And the same goes for Romney not immediately falling apart on stage. I almost feel like he got lucky tonight. The dude acts like someone with social anxiety disorder, and there were a few points during the debate where he went to the brink of triggering and somehow recovered. I bet he tumbles in the next debate.
i have a feeling that the media is generally giving this one to romney because a lot of them might suspect that obama might just decimate romney in this next debate
- If you want to see me whip Paul Ryan's ass give me a hell yeah
- Whip Paul Ryan's ass
- Taxes?
- Crack beers (pour beers on unconscious Ryan optional)
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Matt Drudge.
Gonna crack open a couple of Joeweisers
in fact for most of the debate he wore a smug face