I'm certain I'd never use the damn thing, but every time I pick up a new iPad, I'm all "Oh god this is gorgeous" and I just play with it for the next ten minutes.
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It sounds like the new iPad Mini specs are pretty much identical to the new iPad Air, save for the smaller screen. Is that right or am I missing something? Because if that's the case I'd totally go for the Mini over the Air at this point now that it'll have a Retina display.
I have the iPad 3(the first retina one) and while this new one looks real nice there is no reason for me to by another full sized iPad. Now this new Retina iPad Mini I kinda want but really functionality wise there isn't much you gain from these new iPads if you already own one.
I cannot believe they're still selling the 16 GB iPad 2 for $399. Who in their right mind would buy that at this point?
Someone that wants to save $100?
But if that were the case, why not go on eBay or something and pick up a used 3rd Gen with Retina display and much better specs for even less? Unless that person is just dead set on getting something brand new, in which case as jim mentioned they should pick up the new iPad Mini for the same price. I don't know, that just doesn't make much sense to me.
I cannot believe they're still selling the 16 GB iPad 2 for $399. Who in their right mind would buy that at this point?
No one. But apparently someone is, which is sad.
I gotta figure out when I need to order one (the new Air) to have it in time for Christmas. Probably sooner the better, but that means the longer it's gotta stay hidden.
I have the iPad 3(the first retina one) and while this new one looks real nice there is no reason for me to by another full sized iPad. Now this new Retina iPad Mini I kinda want but really functionality wise there isn't much you gain from these new iPads if you already own one.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I have the 3rd Gen, and even though it's feeling just a tad on the slow side lately with iOS 7, I still see very little reason to upgrade just yet. They didn't even include the Touch ID thing that the new iPhones got, so other than a smaller bezel (which I'm not even sure I would like for this size iPad), the only advantage is the spec bump. Which is nice, certainly, but not enough for me to spend a chunk of change to upgrade.
I agree about the new iPad Mini though. That thing looks niiiiiiice. I'm grasping at straws for a reason we need to get one.
Yeah, since it's the iPad 2 (which isn't even retina, right?), it should be $199 or $299 at this point. I mean, I guess maybe the underlying component prices haven't come down much, but $399 just seems way too high for that hardware, especially considering the prices of everything else in the lineup.
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Having owned a full size iPad for years now, I'd only buy another full size if it was cheaper than a mini with the same specs… lightness and pocketability (I have a big ol' raincoat with large pockets, shut up) count for a lot.
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So apparently the iPad Air is 72 times faster than the original iPad.
I have a 1st gen iPad and still use it almost daily--so I think after five years now is the time to upgrade. :-)
Briefly thought about the mini instead, but I really like the larger screen for videos, books, and RPG character sheets. If I want a pocket version then I'll just load stuff on my phone instead.
Now I just have to decide how much memory I truly need, 'cause I don't doubt that I can fill up anything I buy!
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Yeah, since it's the iPad 2 (which isn't even retina, right?), it should be $199 or $299 at this point. I mean, I guess maybe the underlying component prices haven't come down much, but $399 just seems way too high for that hardware, especially considering the prices of everything else in the lineup.
Actually prices have come down a lot, but Apple would rather feed babies through a wood chipper than pass any savings onto us.
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You know, one thing I hadn't really thought too much about with the iPad Air is the weight. Going from 1.6 lbs down to just 1 lb seems like it'd make a considerable difference in day-to-day usage. That's another big point in favor of the Air.
I wonder why they're still selling the iPad 2 instead of the 3.
Stopped manufacturing of the latter, never done so for the former? Presumably there's such a gap in chipsets that they require entirely differently factories to manufacture the newer generation products.
I wonder why they're still selling the iPad 2 instead of the 3.
Stopped manufacturing of the latter, never done so for the former? Presumably there's such a gap in chipsets that they require entirely differently factories to manufacture the newer generation products.
If they kept the 3 or 4 it would give 1 less reason for the average customer to buy the newest models, since these 2 models both also had retina displays and were very powerful devices.
Right, and I'd assume the retina displays are one of the main reasons the 2 is still out there. They can keep making iPad 2 screens at their earlier factories, while whenever a new new new iPad comes out it gets the screens that would have gone to the old old iPad or the old iPad.
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I wonder why they're still selling the iPad 2 instead of the 3.
Stopped manufacturing of the latter, never done so for the former? Presumably there's such a gap in chipsets that they require entirely differently factories to manufacture the newer generation products.
If they kept the 3 or 4 it would give 1 less reason for the average customer to buy the newest models, since these 2 models both also had retina displays and were very powerful devices.
I think this is probably pretty close to the actual reason. And honestly, I'm okay with them using this strategy because it really makes sense not to continue selling an item that is relatively close spec-wise to your current product. My problem with it is that, if they're going to continue selling the iPad 2, it should be much, much cheaper than $399. It's three generations behind at this point. They should be selling it for $299, max. $250 would be even better and would cut into sales of the cheaper android-based tablets.
Might get the 32gb Air. Mother's finally in the market for a tablet, and this is likely the last chance I'll have at upgrading for a couple years if I can strike a deal with her. Rentina Mini is actually really tempting, moreso than I originally thought, but I don't think I could get by without the the extra screen real estate for classwork. I like the bigger screen for videos and comics anyway, which are my two main use cases for it outside of classwork.
Having both an iPhone and iPad with the same type of ports would be nice too. No more juggling cords in chargers and on the PC.
But really, there isn't any huge incentive to upgrade for me. If the opportunity to possibly upgrade at a discount hadn't arisen I wouldn't give these a second look and would wait for the fingerprint scanner.
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Do I want the Air or the Mini at this point? Help me decide. Whatever I get it will be 128gb though.
They're the exact same specs, so the question is, do you care more about price or screen size?
If you need the larger screen, get the Air. If you don't and want to save a Benjamin, get the Mini.
I can see both sides of the small vs big equation. Honestly I'll be using all of its features. I'll be watching TV and movies in bed, I'll read books and magazines on it, and the biggie is the fact that I know the majority of the space on it will be taken up by games.
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As sexy as the iPad Air is from a technological perspective, I'm still not sure I understand the point of tablets vs. real laptops like my MB Air. The only reason I can think is so that I can own a token IOS device in case I ever feel like writing code for it. But I still haven't written any android code and I've had my android phone for over a year, so that's probably not going to happen. Tablets still feel like very expensive toys to me. Maybe I'm just old.
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Based on that then, I'd say go with the Air. The extra screen space is going to make a big difference on stuff like games and movies and stuff. And with the lighter frame of the new Air, it's going to be easier to hold for long periods of time. It won't be quite as portable, but if you'll be using mostly around the house then that shouldn't be an issue.
The overwhelming majority of people only need computers to consume media, email, web browsing, and games. iPad's do just that in an optimal manner that a 3 year old can figure out without having to be taught.
I wonder why they're still selling the iPad 2 instead of the 3.
Stopped manufacturing of the latter, never done so for the former? Presumably there's such a gap in chipsets that they require entirely differently factories to manufacture the newer generation products.
If they kept the 3 or 4 it would give 1 less reason for the average customer to buy the newest models, since these 2 models both also had retina displays and were very powerful devices.
I think this is probably pretty close to the actual reason. And honestly, I'm okay with them using this strategy because it really makes sense not to continue selling an item that is relatively close spec-wise to your current product. My problem with it is that, if they're going to continue selling the iPad 2, it should be much, much cheaper than $399. It's three generations behind at this point. They should be selling it for $299, max. $250 would be even better and would cut into sales of the cheaper android-based tablets.
I agree, If it was me I would actually only have 16GB wifi models of the Ipad 2 and mini (non retina). With them priced at $299 and $199 just so Apple can advertise the whole iPad family "from $199" slogan and then have anybody who actually wants more space/4G to move to the newer models.
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The overwhelming majority of people only need computers to consume media, email, web browsing, and games. iPad's do just that in an optimal manner that a 3 year old can figure out without having to be taught.
Tablets are the TV's of this generation.
That actually makes a lot of sense. I guess I've been perceiving them as an attempt to replace computers. But if they're just an embedded device that happens to do many things a computer does, rather than a dumbed down computer of limited capability, that makes people who buy them seem significantly less foolish. I understand now. It's just not for me.
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So apparently the iPad Air is 72 times faster than the original iPad.
Is this marketing bullshit, or did someone do a side by side comparison where the original iPad took 36 seconds to load a program, and the new one took 0.5 seconds?
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That's the GPU comparison. And it's believable enough because the original iPad had shit for a GPU, whereas the iPad 3 and newer have all crammed in pretty badass mobile GPUs.
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So apparently the iPad Air is 72 times faster than the original iPad.
Is this marketing bullshit, or did someone do a side by side comparison where the original iPad took 36 seconds to load a program, and the new one took 0.5 seconds?
it's a comparison of GPU power -- the ipad 1 had a pretty horrible GPU, though
in terms of CPU power, they are claiming 8 times as powerful (which is, well, three generations of "twice as fast" CPUs -- from ipad 2 to ipad 3 there wasn't really much of a power bump, every other generation they've claimed twice as fast)
will either of these things result in 72 times faster performance or 8 times faster performance across the board? no, probably not.
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My guess on the iPad 2 is that schools, institutions and massive business rollouts with specialized POS software will like the savings that a 100 dollar less unit will offer them when buying tens to hundred or thousands of units at a time, and they don't need the latest or greatest GPU for that kind of stuff.
The iPad 2 is a weird unit, honestly. It has the legacy 30 pin connector (which matters for some hardware installations), but is every bit as capable as the iPad Mini and the iPad 3 in terms of computational power. It runs all the important features of iOS, and it has a body type that has at this point 3 years of accessories made for it.
I don't think the iPad 2 is sticking around for the consumer so much as it is the business at this point; like the legacy plastic iMacs apple was selling to schools for years after they went all aluminum.
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I'm certain I'd never use the damn thing, but every time I pick up a new iPad, I'm all "Oh god this is gorgeous" and I just play with it for the next ten minutes.
iPad 1s still sell for ~$200 on eBay.
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Someone that wants to save $100?
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But if that were the case, why not go on eBay or something and pick up a used 3rd Gen with Retina display and much better specs for even less? Unless that person is just dead set on getting something brand new, in which case as jim mentioned they should pick up the new iPad Mini for the same price. I don't know, that just doesn't make much sense to me.
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My guess would be they're trying to compete with the budget 11" garbage that Android has produced.
No one. But apparently someone is, which is sad.
I gotta figure out when I need to order one (the new Air) to have it in time for Christmas. Probably sooner the better, but that means the longer it's gotta stay hidden.
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Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I have the 3rd Gen, and even though it's feeling just a tad on the slow side lately with iOS 7, I still see very little reason to upgrade just yet. They didn't even include the Touch ID thing that the new iPhones got, so other than a smaller bezel (which I'm not even sure I would like for this size iPad), the only advantage is the spec bump. Which is nice, certainly, but not enough for me to spend a chunk of change to upgrade.
I agree about the new iPad Mini though. That thing looks niiiiiiice. I'm grasping at straws for a reason we need to get one.
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Do I want the Air or the Mini at this point? Help me decide. Whatever I get it will be 128gb though.
They're the exact same specs, so the question is, do you care more about price or screen size?
If you need the larger screen, get the Air. If you don't and want to save a Benjamin, get the Mini.
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I have a 1st gen iPad and still use it almost daily--so I think after five years now is the time to upgrade. :-)
Briefly thought about the mini instead, but I really like the larger screen for videos, books, and RPG character sheets. If I want a pocket version then I'll just load stuff on my phone instead.
Now I just have to decide how much memory I truly need, 'cause I don't doubt that I can fill up anything I buy!
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Stopped manufacturing of the latter, never done so for the former? Presumably there's such a gap in chipsets that they require entirely differently factories to manufacture the newer generation products.
If they kept the 3 or 4 it would give 1 less reason for the average customer to buy the newest models, since these 2 models both also had retina displays and were very powerful devices.
I think this is probably pretty close to the actual reason. And honestly, I'm okay with them using this strategy because it really makes sense not to continue selling an item that is relatively close spec-wise to your current product. My problem with it is that, if they're going to continue selling the iPad 2, it should be much, much cheaper than $399. It's three generations behind at this point. They should be selling it for $299, max. $250 would be even better and would cut into sales of the cheaper android-based tablets.
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Having both an iPhone and iPad with the same type of ports would be nice too. No more juggling cords in chargers and on the PC.
But really, there isn't any huge incentive to upgrade for me. If the opportunity to possibly upgrade at a discount hadn't arisen I wouldn't give these a second look and would wait for the fingerprint scanner.
I can see both sides of the small vs big equation. Honestly I'll be using all of its features. I'll be watching TV and movies in bed, I'll read books and magazines on it, and the biggie is the fact that I know the majority of the space on it will be taken up by games.
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I agree, If it was me I would actually only have 16GB wifi models of the Ipad 2 and mini (non retina). With them priced at $299 and $199 just so Apple can advertise the whole iPad family "from $199" slogan and then have anybody who actually wants more space/4G to move to the newer models.
That actually makes a lot of sense. I guess I've been perceiving them as an attempt to replace computers. But if they're just an embedded device that happens to do many things a computer does, rather than a dumbed down computer of limited capability, that makes people who buy them seem significantly less foolish. I understand now. It's just not for me.
Is this marketing bullshit, or did someone do a side by side comparison where the original iPad took 36 seconds to load a program, and the new one took 0.5 seconds?
it's a comparison of GPU power -- the ipad 1 had a pretty horrible GPU, though
in terms of CPU power, they are claiming 8 times as powerful (which is, well, three generations of "twice as fast" CPUs -- from ipad 2 to ipad 3 there wasn't really much of a power bump, every other generation they've claimed twice as fast)
will either of these things result in 72 times faster performance or 8 times faster performance across the board? no, probably not.
The iPad 2 is a weird unit, honestly. It has the legacy 30 pin connector (which matters for some hardware installations), but is every bit as capable as the iPad Mini and the iPad 3 in terms of computational power. It runs all the important features of iOS, and it has a body type that has at this point 3 years of accessories made for it.
I don't think the iPad 2 is sticking around for the consumer so much as it is the business at this point; like the legacy plastic iMacs apple was selling to schools for years after they went all aluminum.
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