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[iPhone/iPod/iPad] Thread - When this thread started phones had headphone jacks

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  • zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    my wife switched to an iphone this past weekend which means we're now android-less in the house.... so of course we then bought an apple tv 4k... lol what's happening? haha

  • thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    zerzhul wrote: »
    my wife switched to an iphone this past weekend which means we're now android-less in the house.... so of course we then bought an apple tv 4k... lol what's happening? haha

    You crossed the event horizon. There is no escape now.

  • CormacCormac Registered User regular
    zerzhul wrote: »
    my wife switched to an iphone this past weekend which means we're now android-less in the house.... so of course we then bought an apple tv 4k... lol what's happening? haha

    I'm more or less falling into the same hole. Bought a new iPhone and Apple Watch, have the new Apple TV 4K on preorder, am debating getting an iPad Air or Pro to replace my ageing Surface 3, and am thinking of turning my retired HTPC into a Hackintosh.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Dang. Check out that Assistive Touch for the Apple watch a bit down the page.

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/05/apple-previews-powerful-software-updates-designed-for-people-with-disabilities/

  • Baron DirigibleBaron Dirigible Registered User regular
    New iPad Pro is pretty great, you guys 😍

    … that said, my only comparison is a 2017 MBP, and I don’t have Face ID on my iPhone 8, so I’ve got a lot to catch up on in general. This is also my first iPad so I’m still trying to work my way around the UI and apps.

    I think if the 11” had gotten the XDR display I might have gone for that instead as a more portable unit, but I’m very glad I got the 12.9 instead — the size is basically perfect.

  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    ...so I have AirPods Max now. Opinions to follow in a week or so.

  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    My new iPad Pro 12.9 gets here today. Went with the 256 GB option. Got the magic keyboard and a new Apple Pencil with it as well. I can't wait to see the new XDR screen...I've heard it's breathtakingly pretty.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Huh. If it ends up that I can run all my backend developer nonsense (ie, Docker containers) then color me extremely interested in that as a setup.

    Docker, or some implementation of docker by Apple that can run standard containers, would be key. I think I would prefer an apple implementation which they expose as a "kit" so that any IDE or git tool or whatever can access the containers directly...

    Keeps things properly sandboxed in an apple-friendly way, but gives you the ability to, say, run a LAMP stack or Service Fabric or whatever for the purposes of application development? Would be amazing.

    Either that or just let me Boot Camp into MacOS.

    So… iPadOS 15 has app development baked into Swift Playgrounds… how far from what you wanted is that, exactly (knows nothing about modern development practice or theory).

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Huh. If it ends up that I can run all my backend developer nonsense (ie, Docker containers) then color me extremely interested in that as a setup.

    Docker, or some implementation of docker by Apple that can run standard containers, would be key. I think I would prefer an apple implementation which they expose as a "kit" so that any IDE or git tool or whatever can access the containers directly...

    Keeps things properly sandboxed in an apple-friendly way, but gives you the ability to, say, run a LAMP stack or Service Fabric or whatever for the purposes of application development? Would be amazing.

    Either that or just let me Boot Camp into MacOS.

    So… iPadOS 15 has app development baked into Swift Playgrounds… how far from what you wanted is that, exactly (knows nothing about modern development practice or theory).

    That's not quite what was being asked for, though it is cool. The request as written would be more about developing general server software on an iPad, versus needing a full Mac with a terminal and access to things like Docker (via Docker for Desktop). When I'm doing professional work on my Mac, I'm using the Mac as a glorified/prettified UNIX terminal.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2021
    Got the iPad and all the goodies. As usual Apple's setup/transfer process remains best in class. Not sure they could make it easier to setup a new iThing from an old iThing. Adjusting to FaceID on my tablet, though it hasn't been bad so far. I'm now "TouchID" free as it were, as I also upgraded to an iPhone 12 Max last year.

    There really isn't much to say that hasn't been said about this thing. It's gorgeous, fast and the screen is *chefs kiss*. If I had an observation that wasn't overwhelmingly positive it would be that it's heavier and bulkier than my gen 1 iPad Pro. Especially with the magic keyboard which is a bulkier "case" than the keyboard folio I had on my gen 1...though also much more rugged and stout which I appreciate.

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    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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  • a nu starta nu start Registered User regular
    I feel like the FaceID should have a wider angle on the iPad Pro. If I'm even a little off center from the camera (well, laser sensor or whatever), it doesn't work. Leads me to many akward squats of trying to unlock it while it's sitting on the table.

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  • dporowskidporowski Registered User regular
    Airpods Pro: Brand new, and out of the box amazing, absurd crackling. A few resets later, and it's "pretty well sorted", and nothing to do with the ANC or a specific ear. It also seems to be improving as I listen.

    Am I off base here, or are they just taking a while to adapt to my ears/etc, and Apple just doesn't bloody mention it? If this isn't some weird ass hardware problem (or the other crackle problem), then it screams the same kind of setup process the Homepod had.

  • CormacCormac Registered User regular
    dporowski wrote: »
    Airpods Pro: Brand new, and out of the box amazing, absurd crackling. A few resets later, and it's "pretty well sorted", and nothing to do with the ANC or a specific ear. It also seems to be improving as I listen.

    Am I off base here, or are they just taking a while to adapt to my ears/etc, and Apple just doesn't bloody mention it? If this isn't some weird ass hardware problem (or the other crackle problem), then it screams the same kind of setup process the Homepod had.

    Return them. It sounds like your set is defective. Crackling like that is not something that goes away with time. Yours are broken.

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  • dporowskidporowski Registered User regular
    edited June 2021
    Cormac wrote: »
    dporowski wrote: »
    Airpods Pro: Brand new, and out of the box amazing, absurd crackling. A few resets later, and it's "pretty well sorted", and nothing to do with the ANC or a specific ear. It also seems to be improving as I listen.

    Am I off base here, or are they just taking a while to adapt to my ears/etc, and Apple just doesn't bloody mention it? If this isn't some weird ass hardware problem (or the other crackle problem), then it screams the same kind of setup process the Homepod had.

    Return them. It sounds like your set is defective. Crackling like that is not something that goes away with time. Yours are broken.

    I mean, it has been going away, is the weird part. Like out of the box, it was "40s radio broadcast". Now it's "I think it's still crackling a little on bass hits". If it changed at all when I twiddled the ANC, or was one ear or the other, or anything, yeah obviously "the crackling problem". This is utterly independent of ANY settings, is perfectly stereo between ears, and I literally heard it get lesser during one particular song.

    Edit: I mean, if it doesn't go away obv I'll be paying a visit to the local Apple Store. :P This is just unexpected behavior from the description I've read of the known crackling problem.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    dporowski wrote: »
    Cormac wrote: »
    dporowski wrote: »
    Airpods Pro: Brand new, and out of the box amazing, absurd crackling. A few resets later, and it's "pretty well sorted", and nothing to do with the ANC or a specific ear. It also seems to be improving as I listen.

    Am I off base here, or are they just taking a while to adapt to my ears/etc, and Apple just doesn't bloody mention it? If this isn't some weird ass hardware problem (or the other crackle problem), then it screams the same kind of setup process the Homepod had.

    Return them. It sounds like your set is defective. Crackling like that is not something that goes away with time. Yours are broken.

    I mean, it has been going away, is the weird part. Like out of the box, it was "40s radio broadcast". Now it's "I think it's still crackling a little on bass hits". If it changed at all when I twiddled the ANC, or was one ear or the other, or anything, yeah obviously "the crackling problem". This is utterly independent of ANY settings, is perfectly stereo between ears, and I literally heard it get lesser during one particular song.

    Edit: I mean, if it doesn't go away obv I'll be paying a visit to the local Apple Store. :P This is just unexpected behavior from the description I've read of the known crackling problem.

    Headphones should not do that ever. It is likely the speaker is damaged. It getting slightly better over time doesn't mean they're fixed, and could be a sign that they are breaking more.

    I've owned dozens of pairs of headphones and never once had I had a pair that was "these sound bad but need to break in"

    Don't screw around with $500 headphones. they are broken, return them.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    That is the exact thing they said they'd do an extended replacement period for, yes.

  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Aight, let’s give the iPadOS 15 beta a shot.

  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    It’s been a tad buggy for me. I’ve had a few crashes back to homescreen, and a couple reboots. If your iPad is mission critical I’d skip this beta.

    I do like some of the new features though. the multitasking discoverability is really nice, and as an android phone guy I’m super happy with the app library/drawer so I can not have all of the apps just sitting in folders on the homescreen.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Oh, and if you do have any iPhone only apps that you use in iPad *grumbles at Instagram*, those apps will work when the iPad is landscape now. they won’t fill the screen, but at least I don’t have to pick my iPad up off of the keyboard to look at instagram.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Oh, and if you do have any iPhone only apps that you use in iPad *grumbles at Instagram*, those apps will work when the iPad is landscape now. they won’t fill the screen, but at least I don’t have to pick my iPad up off of the keyboard to look at instagram.

    Like, the one thing I’ve wanted forever. Finally!

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Oh, and if you do have any iPhone only apps that you use in iPad *grumbles at Instagram*, those apps will work when the iPad is landscape now. they won’t fill the screen, but at least I don’t have to pick my iPad up off of the keyboard to look at instagram.

    Like, the one thing I’ve wanted forever. Finally!

    You mean I can stop having my iPad in the Magic Keyboard Folio turned sideways and using an external keyboard?

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/5/22611305/apple-scan-photos-iphones-icloud-child-abuse-imagery-neuralmatch
    Apple already checks iCloud files against known child abuse imagery, like every other major cloud provider. But the system described here would go further, allowing central access to local storage. It would also be trivial to extend the system to crimes other than child abuse — a particular concern given Apple’s extensive business in China.

    hmm

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/5/22611305/apple-scan-photos-iphones-icloud-child-abuse-imagery-neuralmatch
    Apple already checks iCloud files against known child abuse imagery, like every other major cloud provider. But the system described here would go further, allowing central access to local storage. It would also be trivial to extend the system to crimes other than child abuse — a particular concern given Apple’s extensive business in China.

    hmm

    I cannot see this ending any way but Badly.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited August 2021
    tl;dr it's entirely hash-based, your iThing won't upload your photo library to Apple. (edit: well, more than you already upload to iCloud, but that's nominally encrypted)

    Not that this makes potential abuse any better.

    Echo on
  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    tl;dr it's entirely hash-based, your iThing won't upload your photo library to Apple.

    Not that this makes potential abuse any better.

    Well yeah. If local law in china or somewhere else determines that "politically subversive" images are illegal, those images could get someone in trouble if the hashes are added.
    Or at some point, hashes of music or movie files deemed to be unlicensed copies of said media.
    Implementing such a tool will lead to abuse of it, 100%

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    yeah, this one is bad. I 100% get the concept and the through process behind it. On the surface, when you say "BUT IT IS TO PROTECT CHILDREN" it sounds great.

    But as was said, what happens when China starts demanding Apple does this for people in Beijing, or Hong Kong who violate Chinese law against saying bad things about the government because if they apply it to laws in one country then they have to apply it to laws in other countries.

    Then Apple has to choose between ending business in China, which it realistically cannot do.... or complying with local laws.

    This is bad.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Doesn't even need to be China. If a whistle-blower or a reporter has a file with a known hash on their device, it can also be flagged.

    Also, any known file can be hashed. So you could easily use it against "subversive" texts in PDF Form, or against any other form of undesirable content

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  • dporowskidporowski Registered User regular
    "It would also be trivial to extend the system to crimes other than child abuse"

    Somewhere, an unsuspecting developer just had their eye twitch, and doesn't know why.

  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    I just moved from Android to iPhone with my
    Latest phone and was enjoying it; but back to android now thanks to this photo nonsense

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  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Echo wrote: »
    tl;dr it's entirely hash-based, your iThing won't upload your photo library to Apple.

    Not that this makes potential abuse any better.

    Well yeah. If local law in china or somewhere else determines that "politically subversive" images are illegal, those images could get someone in trouble if the hashes are added.
    Or at some point, hashes of music or movie files deemed to be unlicensed copies of said media.
    Implementing such a tool will lead to abuse of it, 100%

    Gruber has a good write-up about how it really works.

    I don't love it, but it's not the worst thing ever:

    -It doesn't try to determine if your photos are child porn. It only hashes your photos to see if if any of them are already known instances of child porn.
    -The sole source of the hashes of verboten images is NCMEC, which is one of the most legit anti-child porn organizations in the world.
    -None of hash-checking is done server-side, only on your device.
    -You have to have more than one image that matches a hash of an illegal image before your phone will report you to Apple.
    -Apple will then review the images with matching hashes before deciding whether or not to report you to law enforcement.

    Gruber makes the same slippery slope arguments you do WRT to China, but the privacy battle in China was lost a long time ago. All iCloud storage in China is on servers that the Chinese government has access to. Even if we didn't already know that to be true, if China (or any other country without strong civil protections for privacy) wants the ability to snoop your content, they're going to pass a law that allows them to do so. And... Apple will comply with it, since for better or worse, Apple always obeys the laws of countries in which it sells iPhones.

    Also, this feature apparently was implemented to appease US law enforcement (not China) in order to catch Apple up to the level of child-porn sniffing that Facebook and Google are already doing server-side. If you had told me last week that pedos using photo sharing services to stash their child porn was a real problem, I'd have rolled my eyes. How could anyone possibly be that stupid? But apparently FB and Google combined report over 50,000 instances of child porn distribution per day. So, yeah... people suck and that's why we can't have nice things.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    The issue here is that yes, Google and Facebook do this, but they do this on data uploaded to their cloud storage services, which Apple already does.. Apple already complies with any law enforcement requests (that are legal/with warrant, etc) on data stored on iCloud servers.

    The issue here is that this specifically targets data stored on device. And to me, the more I read about this, the less it becomes about the pictures, it's that Apple starts to do things with iMessage, which is claims is 100% end to end encrypted. By doing what they are doing, Apple can no longer claim that iMessage will be end to end encrypted,

    Apple is also on record in US courts about 5 years ago saying that it will not take any action to break encryption for devices, because once it does that for one reason, it knows that law enforcement will be able to come after it for other things to try to leverage that. and now here we are, Apple is doing work that will break end to end encryption.

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  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    The issue here is that yes, Google and Facebook do this, but they do this on data uploaded to their cloud storage services, which Apple already does.. Apple already complies with any law enforcement requests (that are legal/with warrant, etc) on data stored on iCloud servers.

    The issue here is that this specifically targets data stored on device. And to me, the more I read about this, the less it becomes about the pictures, it's that Apple starts to do things with iMessage, which is claims is 100% end to end encrypted. By doing what they are doing, Apple can no longer claim that iMessage will be end to end encrypted,

    Apple is also on record in US courts about 5 years ago saying that it will not take any action to break encryption for devices, because once it does that for one reason, it knows that law enforcement will be able to come after it for other things to try to leverage that. and now here we are, Apple is doing work that will break end to end encryption.

    The hash check for photos sent via Messages happens on device specifically to avoid breaking E2EE. Like... it happens before an image is sent and after it's received. How is there a break in encryption?

    The whole point of making the hash and ML checks for child porn on-device instead of server side is to avoid breaking E2EE. You're right, Apple doesn't currently doesn't support E2EE encryption for iCloud Photos and backups (but it does for Messages). So... nothing in these new checks is reducing the iOS's/iCloud's level of E2EE.

    Gruber and a few other Apple ecosystem commentators think that Apple has added these features in order to comply with LE while also setting up to enable full E2EE for iCloud Photos and Backup. That seems optimistic to me, but maybe it will happen. In the meantime, the status quo has only changed slightly: Apple is standing at the top of the slippery slope of performing on-device hash snooping on behalf of various government entities, insisting that they're not going to slide down.

  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Apple can check to see if image x is in a message. even if it is hashed value, that still means that there is a database that each message is checked against. That means that.. .well... the message has to be scanned for the hashed value of an image, even though it is encrypted and shouldn't be able to be scanned. How is that not the definition of breaking end to end encryption?

    I agree that Apple is probably doing the minimum it thinks it can get away with while still making this happen. It doesn't mean the system is good. And again, Apple already gives the keys to iCloud whenever law enforcement legally asks. So this isn't as big of a step as it was initially made out to be.

    But it is still weakening the system. I'm not actually out here decrying that i'll never use an apple product again, and that Apple is a terrible company. But there is now a bigger crack in Apple's claim to privacy than there was a week ago. And there will be pressure to exploit that by bad actors and governments. We have only Apple's word that they won't fall to that pressure, but they've already fallen to the pressure in the past.

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  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Apple can check to see if image x is in a message. even if it is hashed value, that still means that there is a database that each message is checked against. That means that.. .well... the message has to be scanned for the hashed value of an image, even though it is encrypted and shouldn't be able to be scanned. How is that not the definition of breaking end to end encryption?

    E2EE means that the image only exists in decrypted form in local storage on the sending and receiving devices. The image can't be encrypted at all times. It has to be decrypted to be displayed. The flow for Messages is something like...

    1. Picture taken by sender.
    2. Image hashed and check against NCMEC database of hashes stored locally on sender's device.
    3. Image encrypted on sender's device.
    4. Encrypted image transmitted to Apple.
    5. Encrypted image stored on Apple server.
    6. Encrypted image transmitted to receiver's device.
    7. Encrypted image decrypted on receiver's device.
    8. Decrypted image displayed by receiver's device.

    So E2EE is fully maintained: no one but the sending and receiving devices ever have access to the decrypted image. Apple has no ability to decrypt the image while it's being transmitted and while it resides on their servers.

    And yeah, it's definitely a slippery slope and I don't love it, but it's still probably better than anything Apple's competitors are doing WRT messaging, and no cloud-based scanning for photo storage is definitely better than anything Apple's competitors are doing. I really hope Gruber is right and Apple goes full E2EE for photo storage and iCloud backup.

  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    We’re talking semantics. I know how encryption works, i deal with it as part of my job.

    So yes, technically end to end encryption still exists, but if Apple still scans the locally stored media/message contents, then what’s the point of encryption at all? All the system is doing is waiting until the content is decrypted to run it against a database and then phone home if a hash matches. That kind of defeats the purpose of encrypting the messages.

    And again, not saying that others do it better, or worse, or that the other systems don’t exist elsewhere. But Apple has now developed a technology that could, in theory scan anything on the device and alert Apple if it’s a [bad thing]. Yes, using it for CSAM is good, but the door is now open to outside pressures. Apple shouldn’t market your private, on device data as truly private anymore. If they do, that’s a lie. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, as this isn’t a black or white issue. But iOS 15 will be less private and secure than iOS 14. Full stop.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Here's the sitch

    I have iTunes Match because all music services suck and they're the only ones who wont play ads during music I purchased and upload (Youtube Music).

    It syncs nicely with my PC and iPhone/iPad.

    Well it did, until recently it just gets stuck with the step where it compares my library against the iTunes store (??) and refuses to upload and won't sync with my Apple music apps on either device. It sees they're in my library but it refuses to actually upload to the cloud. I have about 8k songs so I'm not near their limit of 200k.

    Also of note I've been getting "YOUR ICLOUD STORAGE IS FULL" messages when it clearly is not full.

    Any ideas?

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    Having kind of a weird autocorrect issue. Whenever I type “theyre,” iOS autocorrects properly to they’re. However, if I type the word with the apostrophe, it will often autocorrect to they’RE. I’ve reset the dictionary on the device and it still happens. This is with an iPad using an apple folio keyboard.

    Anyone ever run into this?

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  • CormacCormac Registered User regular
    Come October I'm looking to replace my rather old Surface 3 with an iPad. Assuming there is still stock Apple is selling refurb 2020 iPad Pro's 256GB for $689. A new iPad Air 256GB is around $650. I'm primarily interested in the Pro because of the 120hz refresh rate display. With the prices so close I'm leaning towards the Pro even though the processer older. For media consumption I don't see that really making much of a difference.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    I'm just kind of assuming we'll get the next iPhone in September, so it's about time for me to get a new phone - I've been using my EchoCorp iPhone XR for both business and personal use, but now I want to untangle that and have a private phone again. My last personal phone was the original iPhone SE.

  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    I'm just kind of assuming we'll get the next iPhone in September, so it's about time for me to get a new phone - I've been using my EchoCorp iPhone XR for both business and personal use, but now I want to untangle that and have a private phone again. My last personal phone was the original iPhone SE.

    It'll be September or October. Apple has done September releases traditionally but the iPhone 12 last year was in October due to covid.

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