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PAX AUS 2013 Information and FAQ (READ THIS FIRST, THEN ASK ALL QUESTIONS HERE)

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    Samwell WarrenSamwell Warren Registered User new member
    I have been working on this for a few weeks and was hoping to bring it over from NZ (assuming it gets through customs).
    <a href="http://imgur.com/xEthA"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/xEthA.jpg&quot; alt="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" /></a>
    Would it be allowed at PAX? Its mdf and plastic, no metal or moving parts.

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    VapokVapok Just a Guy. BostonRegistered User regular
    I have been working on this for a few weeks and was hoping to bring it over from NZ (assuming it gets through customs).
    <a href="http://imgur.com/xEthA"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/xEthA.jpg&quot; alt="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" /></a>
    Would it be allowed at PAX? Its mdf and plastic, no metal or moving parts.

    As long as it fits along with your cosplay costume, shouldn't be an issue, though I would probably paint the tip orange just to make it visibly clear it's a toy gun. Nice work by the way!

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    DanacyrusDanacyrus Gaming Coffee Making Musician BrisbaneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Just a note, an orange cap is irrelevant to being called an 'immigration weapon', would rather you not destroy a pain job with orange when it isn't necessary >.< (But that looks awesome by the way :P )

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    DaCrawDaCraw Registered User regular
    [mods, feel free to delete this post if you feel it's redundant]

    This was posted in the cosplay thread, but I'll cross post my reply here as avoiding falling afoul of firearms laws is kinda important:

    Putting the cap on the gun can't hurt, but it won't save you if the gun otherwise looks realistic. Danacyrus is right in that it makes very little difference.

    {IANAL, It goes without saying, but nothing in this post is to be taken as legal advice. If you're unsure about anything, either see a real lawyer (practicing in Victoria), or leave the prop at home. Everything in this post is based on http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=32717 and in particular the first link in the text of that page.}

    To restate what I said earlier in [the cosplay thread], a prop is acceptable iff (if and only if) it "cannot be mistaken [for a] working [firearm] by the general
    public, and [does] not have the functionality of [a working firearm]." The orange cap helps with this slightly, but is not determinative by any means; there's nothing stopping would-be criminals from spraypainting the tip of their glock.
    For a prop to be considered a toy (as opposed to an imitation firearm), it will need to have at least one of the following characteristics:
    • Their shape and size is of a kind not associated with a working firearm; and/or
    • The barrel and/or butt is of a colour not normally associated with a working firearm, particularly if it is bright, fluorescent, or multicoloured; and/or
    • The composition suggests it is clearly manufactured using material of a kind not associated with a working firearm—such as transparent or coloured plastic.

    Applying this to your case, although the shape is based on a scifi design, I'm not sure that it is sufficiently distinguished from a real gun as to be "not normally associated" and I would say the same for the colour, although that is probably more easily arguable. The fact that it is made from plastic and MDF is only relevant if it is immediately visually apparent, and the paint may well obscure this fact (its hard to tell from those photos. While you only need one of the three, none of them are clear-cut. My gut reaction is that it seems like it shouldn't be mistaken for a real gun, but I am hardly an expert in either firearms or Victorian firearms laws. I can only say that you should look into this more carefully before bringing the prop - better safe than sorry when it comes to law enforcement.

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    VapokVapok Just a Guy. BostonRegistered User regular
    I feel obligated to also note and quote a portion of the stated FAQ on the 1st page.
    Security & CosPlay Weapons Policy

    NEW PAX ATTENDEE COSTUME WEAPON POLICY
    While PAX is mainly intended to facilitate gaming, we recognize that many Attendees will want to dress in awesome costumes. These awesome costumes often come with prop 'weapons,' and the question: "can I bring this to PAX?" Needless to say, real weapons are NOT permitted, but what about props?

    Well, there are some informal rules that we've been using to decide this for the last few PAXes. As of now, they have become official, and are as follows:

    A COSTUME WEAPON IS NOT PERMITTED AT PAX IF:
    - It fires or can fire any sort of projectile. (Yes, even Nerf.)
    - It looks like a real firearm at "second glance." (Yes, even if it's a kid's toy.)
    - It's sharp or pointy enough to cut or pierce someone with moderate pressure. (Yes, even if it's not made of metal.)

    If you bring something in that's not allowed you will be politely required to leave, stow the offending item in your vehicle/hotel room/etc, and then return. If you have any doubt as to whether your prop weapon falls under these restrictions - it probably does. Err on the side of caution!

    This policy applies to all PAX's. Having said that, what the national laws in Australia are for transporting cosplay items through town and airports, I don't know. I know that in the US, typically there's no issues. The main point, is that the Security Team at PAX will inspect your weapon and as long as it doesn't violate those three points, you should be good.

    Also, if your weapon goes along with an easily recognizable character as part of your cosplay, generally it'll be accepted, provided that it doesn't violate the three rules.

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    SmallLadySmallLady Registered User regular
    SmallLady wrote: »
    Security & CosPlay Weapons Policy



    NOTE: This policy doesn't apply to the world outside of PAX. It is your responsibility to know and comply with Australian laws when it comes to costume/prop weapons.


    Updated

    "we're just doing what smalllady told us to do" - @Heels
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    tokyodovetokyodove Perth, WARegistered User regular
    i can't say 100% if you'll be able to get it through customs, but generally its really relaxed- just be polite and explain what you're bringing it for and you'll be fine. the only thing aussie customs are really strict on is bringing in food/plant material.

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    tokyodovetokyodove Perth, WARegistered User regular
    i remember the button trading from pax prime, would anybody be interested in doing this for pax aus?

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    thegh0ststhegh0sts Sydney, NSWRegistered User regular
    will see if there's buttons worth trading!

    Next PAX: PAX AUS 2017
    Previous PAXs: PAX Prime 2011, PAX AUS 2013
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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    Well, the button trading at Prime is where forumers make their own buttons. It's not based on buttons that are brought by anyone else.

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    wanderthegamewanderthegame Wander Melbourne, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2012
    zerzhul wrote: »
    Silkyn wrote: »
    Question - what sort of cosplay events does PAX have? I've looked around and I see no sign of them having competitions, I was a little disappointed. Any chance of PAX AUS having some cosplay events?

    Traditionally, PAX has not had any specific cosplay events run by PAX. However, some exhibitors and panels have hosted cosplay events. Not sure what this will mean for Aus specifically, but that's been the norm for PAX Prime and PAX East.

    I'm happy to say we (Wander) will be launching our new game at PAX and running a cosplay competition. All the Wander team will be coming as characters from the game as well. :) I'll post the full details when we actually release screenshots of all the characters when the beta is out. Most of us are coming as Ents though one of the team is keen to come as a dragon and another seems keenest on the Elf with the facial tattoos. The non-humanoid characters might be for the more hardcore cosplayers. We've got an amphibious character that would require some pretty serious webbed feet and hands to get right. :)

    Wander is a non-combat, collaborative, non-competitive multiplayer (MMO) exploration and construction game. I'd love some feedback if we should have prizes for each character to encourage people to go for the crazier ones or just focus on a single character, i.e best dressed ent.

    Loki
    Wander Producer

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    http://www.wanderthegame.com Wander: collaborative , non-combat, non-competitive game for Mac, Linux and Windows. Apply to alpha test.
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    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=136830410 Wander on Steam Greenlight
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    DanacyrusDanacyrus Gaming Coffee Making Musician BrisbaneRegistered User regular
    No, prizes should just be best dressed entry. As soon as you try and dictate who they should dress as it takes a lot of the enjoyment out of the cosplaying. If you want to ask anything about Cosplay comps or ideas, let me know in a message and I'll help you where I can :) (Ex Cosplay Coordinator )

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    trelecocotrelecoco Registered User new member
    That sounds really awesome :o maybe i should change my cosplay ideas around...hmmm

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    Manly ManManly Man Registered User new member
    edited January 2013
    I'm trying to convince a friend to come with me to PAX Aus, as I'm convinced it will be epic (despite it being my first PAX). As the schedule isn't up yet, it would be great if any previous enforcers/PAX veterans could give me an idea of the kind of shenanigans that go on during PAX? What are the crowds like for example? Are there many fun activities or is there a lot of standing around in lines/looking at people play table top games? I need them juicy deets!

    Also as a side note I heard of a mythical 'Tri-Wizard Drinking Tournament' or something of the like. What is this shit I am totally down with right now even?

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited January 2013
    The Tri-Wizard Drinking Tournament is a charity barcrawl put on by @Atlus Parker for PAX Prime (he does a Pokemon themed one for PAX East as well). I do not know if anyone is planning to do a charity barcrawl for PAX Aus.

    As far as activities during PAX: popular panels will have long lines, the expo hall will have long lines for AAA titles. Everything else is fairly line-free (or small lines). Things like the tabletop area and handheld area and console freeplay and pc freeplay and all that sometimes have lines but they move very quickly. Unless you MUST see the super uber popular things, you will spend most of your time *not* standing in lines. If you MUST see all the super uber popular things, prepare to spend a lot of time in lines.

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    Manly ManManly Man Registered User new member
    zerzhul wrote: »
    If you MUST see all the super uber popular things, prepare to spend a lot of time in lines.

    My body is ready.

    I'm more interested in the crowd that usually turns out though. What kind of people come and is there often any activities to take part in? Also merch is a big thing and I hope there is loads of it for me to get my filthy grubby mitts on

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    All kinds of people go to PAX. As far as activities at PAX itself goes? Games. ALL THE GAMES. All the games forever.

    Merch is not that big of a thing at PAX. PAX has its own exclusive merch, which is usually quite good, but there's not a ton of it. Some merch-specific vendors usually go to PAX, but big companies usually do not bring merch to buy. This is all based off of PAX Prime and PAX East, of course. There could be some differences. I wouldn't expect the differences to be major, but it *is* a different country than what PAX is used to ;)

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    Aaaand moved. ;)

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    Manly ManManly Man Registered User new member
    Thanks, sorry

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    No worries, just figured it was better off here.

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    EBPEBP Registered User new member
    whats the go with buying a day pass at the door? given that pre-reg for Saturaday sold out will you still be able to purchase on the day?

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    whypick1whypick1 PAX [E] Info Booth Manager ~2' from an LCDRegistered User regular
    I wouldn't count on it. For the other PAXes, there are no sales at the door, as the passes sold online make up a capacity crowd each day. I would not be surprised if registration for Aus was operating the same way.

    Is it PAX <insert nearest future PAX here> yet?
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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    One thing to be sure of, if a pass type is "sold out" that means there are zero more available (unless they increase capacity like they did earlier). If it still says "sold out" when the convention comes, it will not be available at the door.

    What is unclear is whether or not any passes that are *not* sold out will be offered at the door.

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    BekerBeker Child's Play Program Director SeattleRegistered User, Penny Arcade Staff regular
    Manly Man wrote: »
    I'm trying to convince a friend to come with me to PAX Aus, as I'm convinced it will be epic (despite it being my first PAX). As the schedule isn't up yet, it would be great if any previous enforcers/PAX veterans could give me an idea of the kind of shenanigans that go on during PAX? What are the crowds like for example? Are there many fun activities or is there a lot of standing around in lines/looking at people play table top games? I need them juicy deets!

    In addition to what zerzhul has covered, these PATV episodes are regarding PAX and should help give you a small glimpse of how awesome it is.
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/pax-east
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/bonus-episode-pax
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/pax
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/pax-2011
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/enforcers

    As far as schedule, while last years Prime schedule link on the site appears to be broken, you can still download the guidebook smartphone app and get past PAX guides. I would guess PAX Aus will be very similar.

    As far as lines, as those who attended PAX East 2010 remember, long lines can be a problem in a new venue. A big part of successful line management is knowing where lines will be before they appear, and that can be tricky in a place. While our line management team has learned a lot in the Line Sciences field, its not only a new venue, but a new style of venue (fairgrounds vs convention ctr) and the first day there are likely to be issues in some spots. Enforcers are quick reacting though, so any bad spots should get improved as the weekend goes on.

    -Beker/Erick
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    kmdoDRGNkmdoDRGN Registered User new member
    Is there somewhere I can find more information on tournaments? Better yet, does anyone here have more info on tournies? Specifically, is eSports going to be represented at all? (inc. LoL, SC2, CS:GO, DOTA2)

    AND IS SPACE FOR THE BYOC ACTUALLY ALREADY FULL!? :( :(

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    VapokVapok Just a Guy. BostonRegistered User regular
    kmdoDRGN wrote: »
    Is there somewhere I can find more information on tournaments? Better yet, does anyone here have more info on tournies? Specifically, is eSports going to be represented at all? (inc. LoL, SC2, CS:GO, DOTA2)<br />
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    AND IS SPACE FOR THE BYOC ACTUALLY ALREADY FULL!? :(:(

    Based on experience with the US PAX'es, the eSports information you're looking for probably won't be available until much closer to show time. Historically at the US PAX'es we've had some pretty large tournaments including LoL, CS:GO, and SC2. However, each show is different, so it'll probably be another couple of months before we know anything about this.

    And, yes, if you can't purchase BYOC tickets through the ticket system, then ... yep.. BYOC is actually full already. Put into perspective, the BYOC area for Prime 2012 sold out in 45 minutes. East 2013 sold out in a couple of days.

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    dragsawdragsaw Registered User new member
    When do we get tickets?

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    dragsaw wrote: »
    When do we get tickets?

    Tickets are not usually sent out until close to the show. For USA Paxes, they are sent out about 2-3 weeks prior to the PAX in question.

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    dragsawdragsaw Registered User new member
    zerzhul wrote: »
    dragsaw wrote: »
    When do we get tickets?

    Tickets are not usually sent out until close to the show. For USA Paxes, they are sent out about 2-3 weeks prior to the PAX in question.
    thanks a lot mate, was thinking i out in the wing address or something

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    rithrith Perth, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    zerzhul wrote: »
    dragsaw wrote: »
    When do we get tickets?

    Tickets are not usually sent out until close to the show. For USA Paxes, they are sent out about 2-3 weeks prior to the PAX in question.

    That's not so good for me.. looks like I'll have to organise to pick them up at the event.

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    rith wrote: »
    zerzhul wrote: »
    dragsaw wrote: »
    When do we get tickets?

    Tickets are not usually sent out until close to the show. For USA Paxes, they are sent out about 2-3 weeks prior to the PAX in question.

    That's not so good for me.. looks like I'll have to organise to pick them up at the event.

    You will have to contact PAX in order to do that, the default is for them to be sent to you if you are in the country of the show :)

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    HerothHeroth Registered User regular
    I brought ticket (3-day pass) First day the website launched...

    Since then I've lost access to the e-mail address that i'm (99%) sure i used to buy them (hotmail is holy shit horrible at recovery).

    My question is, does anyone foresee this being a problem?

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    zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    Heroth wrote: »
    I brought ticket (3-day pass) First day the website launched...

    Since then I've lost access to the e-mail address that i'm (99%) sure i used to buy them (hotmail is holy shit horrible at recovery).

    My question is, does anyone foresee this being a problem?

    Probably not, but you should email info@paxaustralia.com.au and they can probably help you with a new confirmation email if you verify the rest of your information (I'm guessing).

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    captaintacocaptaintaco meow Registered User new member
    Hey all,

    I'm a university student in Brisbane so I don't exactly have lots of cash, and I'm debating whether to spend the money on hotels/flights to go to PAX AU or not. Since I've been told there is no cosplay contest (which is really my main focus when I go to cons), I'm just wondering what else PAX has to offer that will be worth the price? So far I can't really see anything on the website that grabs my interest yet, and I don't really want to spend all this money just to go down to Melbourne and play a few in development games >_>

    (I just don't want another EB Expo on my hands, spent all that money and it was pretty sub par.)

    Thanks guys!

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    DanacyrusDanacyrus Gaming Coffee Making Musician BrisbaneRegistered User regular
    Well there will be cosplayers there but there isn't a MAIN cosplay comp, some stalls may run them? I know there was an upcoming game running one on the forums.

    Pax is a gaming con really, so if you love games I'm sure there'll be plenty. But here's a list of things I can think of

    - Post Pax Party.
    - Awesome Friends to be made!
    - PC Gaming area
    - Retro Consoles
    - Awesome Post Pax Pary
    - Me
    - Games!
    - Panels
    - Concerts!!!!
    - Did I say PPP???



    Also, the tickets are practically sold out so if you are looking at going buying them off the facebook page from someone who can no longer go??


    But on that note I don't think you'll be disappointed. There will be so many things to do, and so many people to meet, you shouldn't ever be short of things to do!


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    captaintacocaptaintaco meow Registered User new member
    Ah, I already bought a Weekend pass ages back when it was first announced. Hehehe, very nice list, you're starting to convince me! I didn't know individual games did their own stalls and stuff, interesting. And this Post PAX party sounds like fun. I guess I should wait until they announce more stuff as well!

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    tokyodovetokyodove Perth, WARegistered User regular
    you never know, they might announce a cosplay contest between now and july

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    DanacyrusDanacyrus Gaming Coffee Making Musician BrisbaneRegistered User regular
    I doubt they will have one for the main convention. But I wouldn't be surprised if individual game stalls do announce them in the coming months.

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    justachapjustachap Registered User new member
    Was looking forward to this convention but since tickets have ran out for Saturday and also the fact that I would only be able to get tickets at the door, looks like I can't go.
    Don't you make separate tickets for the door?

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    DaCrawDaCraw Registered User regular
    justachap wrote: »
    Was looking forward to this convention but since tickets have ran out for Saturday and also the fact that I would only be able to get tickets at the door, looks like I can't go.
    Don't you make separate tickets for the door?

    As I understand it, no. It's been said a few times that tickets will only be available at the door if there are leftovers not sold before the day. There is not a separate pool of 'door tickets.' They have a limited number of tickets that they can sell (I Am Not A Lawyer, but these venues have limited capacity - so it stands to reason), and if they can sell those in advance it doesn't really make sense to hold them back for the possibility (admittedly a high chance, but not completely certain) that they will be sold at the door.

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