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[SMT4/Persona] Teatime with Satan

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  • SquallSquall hap cloud Registered User regular
    like there are times when p4 is incredibly well written and it charms the pants off of you

    and other times there's
    the swimsuit competition, wherein we need to learn that naoto actually has mega tits

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  • interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    That's sort of a spoiler speed? I dunno, I'm not a hardliner about this kinda stuff

    but

    P4 spoilers
    I don't think Kanji would remotely be ready to date for realsies at any point during the storyline

    big-ish p4 spoilers
    man if they can have you convince naoto to stop being transgender they can have you ask kanji out

    noooooooooo stop reminding meeeeeeeeeeeee

  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    P4 naoto stuff
    yeah, it kinda felt like a cop-out. I mean hey cool that Naoto's comfortable with herself but to couch it in "Oh teehee I didn't actually want to be a boy" rings kinda hollow to me.

    Also last night I did an item dungeon in Disgaea. It was fun. And then I looked at the time and it was 6 AM and I was like ffff.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    yeah as admirable as the attempts are to tackle some of the issues presented in P4 are (and I don't want to give them too much credit for this despite japan being all kinds of backwards in that way), they really couldn't get the ball into the endzone there and settled for a field goal

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    I think Kanji works fine as a possibly/probably straight dude who's just grappling with coming to terms with his own sexuality and male gender roles

    but i think he would've been better if he'd just been straight-up gay

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    yeah as admirable as the attempts are to tackle some of the issues presented in P4 are (and I don't want to give them too much credit for this despite japan being all kinds of backwards in that way), they really couldn't get the ball into the endzone there and settled for a field goal
    I DON'T UNDERSTAND SPORTS METAPHORS

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  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    yeah as admirable as the attempts are to tackle some of the issues presented in P4 are (and I don't want to give them too much credit for this despite japan being all kinds of backwards in that way), they really couldn't get the ball into the endzone there and settled for a field goal
    I DON'T UNDERSTAND SPORTS METAPHORS

    Let me put it this way: the shot hit the post.

    They tried to hit a home run and it went to the wrong side of the foulpole.

    They went for the three and it bounced off the rim.

    They had an easy putt and they couldn't sink it.

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    yeah as admirable as the attempts are to tackle some of the issues presented in P4 are (and I don't want to give them too much credit for this despite japan being all kinds of backwards in that way), they really couldn't get the ball into the endzone there and settled for a field goal
    I DON'T UNDERSTAND SPORTS METAPHORS

    See it's like if Luke didn't blow up the Death Star but took out part of it or something.

  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    yeah as admirable as the attempts are to tackle some of the issues presented in P4 are (and I don't want to give them too much credit for this despite japan being all kinds of backwards in that way), they really couldn't get the ball into the endzone there and settled for a field goal

    They still did a better job than (almost) any other game though.

    Which is kinda saying at least they tried, but, you know, baby steps.

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    i think they did a pretty good job with kanji's character for what he was. if they had made him straight-up gay it wouldn't be better per se, just different. Unless you are coming from the position that the more gay characters the better, which i guess, but I'd rather have quality over quantity.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    IMO a lot of Kanji fans don't get the difference between gay and effeminate. He's the latter.

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Hey, get bent!

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  • interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    IMO a lot of Kanji fans don't get the difference between gay and effeminate. He's the latter.
    and kanji's entire arc and primary character conflict, to me, was about his perception of femininity and homosexuality being inextricably linked and the identity crisis resulting

    a.) gay men stereotypically enjoy feminine things
    b.) i enjoy feminine things
    c.) therefore i must be a gay man

    sexual confusion and angst ensues

  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    IMO a lot of Kanji fans don't get the difference between gay and effeminate. He's the latter.

    on the other hand
    he's attracted to naoto before anyone knows she's a girl

    or maybe he's just flustered around her because he's not good at talking to other guys

    I think it's really just up to personal opinion

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Kanji and Naoto are much more about gender roles than sexuality.

  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    IMO a lot of Kanji fans don't get the difference between gay and effeminate. He's the latter.
    and kanji's entire arc and primary character conflict, to me, was about his perception of femininity and homosexuality being inextricably linked and the identity crisis resulting

    a.) gay men stereotypically enjoy feminine things
    b.) i enjoy feminine things
    c.) therefore i must be a gay man

    sexual confusion and angst ensues
    i agree, but on the other hand when you beat his dungeon one of the things he says is something along the lines of "what if I'm not into girls? Would that really be a big deal?"

  • interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    IMO a lot of Kanji fans don't get the difference between gay and effeminate. He's the latter.
    and kanji's entire arc and primary character conflict, to me, was about his perception of femininity and homosexuality being inextricably linked and the identity crisis resulting

    a.) gay men stereotypically enjoy feminine things
    b.) i enjoy feminine things
    c.) therefore i must be a gay man

    sexual confusion and angst ensues
    i agree, but on the other hand when you beat his dungeon one of the things he says is something along the lines of "what if I'm not into girls? Would that really be a big deal?"
    that's true

    i think bugboy's 100% correct in that a lot of it just comes down to personal interpretation

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    BugBoy wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    IMO a lot of Kanji fans don't get the difference between gay and effeminate. He's the latter.

    on the other hand
    he's attracted to naoto before anyone knows she's a girl

    or maybe he's just flustered around her because he's not good at talking to other guys

    I think it's really just up to personal opinion
    Agreed, and I respect that Atlus deliberately left it open to conjecture.

    As for Naoto, I personally think he was attracted to the ideal Naoto represented, something Kanji wasn't, and he was unsure about what that meant for his sexuality.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    see I think there's a big cultural barrier that needs to be acknowledged too
    japan's views on femininity and our own, applied to men or otherwise, are VASTLY different, and thus the views on homosexuality differ. What may appear as extremely homoerotic to japanese society as a whole may just appear very feminine to us in the west

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    yeah as admirable as the attempts are to tackle some of the issues presented in P4 are (and I don't want to give them too much credit for this despite japan being all kinds of backwards in that way), they really couldn't get the ball into the endzone there and settled for a field goal
    I DON'T UNDERSTAND SPORTS METAPHORS

    See it's like if Luke didn't blow up the Death Star but took out part of it or something.

    This is why the world needs sports metaphors.

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    Alright I've started over on Beginner and am now a little bit further than I was before. Some of my S. Links are at different values than what I was at but it's close enough, and the bosses/mini-bosses aren't absurdly strong anymore! I am level 20 and just reached the top of the third section of Tartarus, and was still level 17 when I fought the Beetles again (and beat them now!)

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  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    I never found Kanji ambiguous, just uniquely perceptive among the cast.
    Naoto wants to be a detective, and she thinks she won't get taken as seriously if she's a woman (correct, unfortunately). I don't agree that thinking "Man, shit would be a lot easier if I was a dude" qualifies you as transgender.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    That's sort of a spoiler speed? I dunno, I'm not a hardliner about this kinda stuff

    but

    P4 spoilers
    I don't think Kanji would remotely be ready to date for realsies at any point during the storyline

    big-ish p4 spoilers
    man if they can have you convince naoto to stop being transgender they can have you ask kanji out

    noooooooooo stop reminding meeeeeeeeeeeee

    p4 spoilers
    You don't "convince naoto to stop being transgender" because naoto isn't transgendered. They could have gone that route, and it'd have been cool if they had, but she wasn't at that point. She's got gender role issues and even straight up gender issues but the fact she gets beyond them means she's not transgendered.

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    That's sort of a spoiler speed? I dunno, I'm not a hardliner about this kinda stuff

    but

    P4 spoilers
    I don't think Kanji would remotely be ready to date for realsies at any point during the storyline

    big-ish p4 spoilers
    man if they can have you convince naoto to stop being transgender they can have you ask kanji out

    noooooooooo stop reminding meeeeeeeeeeeee

    p4 spoilers
    You don't "convince naoto to stop being transgender" because naoto isn't transgendered. They could have gone that route, and it'd have been cool if they had, but she wasn't at that point. She's got gender role issues and even straight up gender issues but the fact she gets beyond them means she's not transgendered.
    More p4 spoilers
    On the one hand, there is some evidence to point to naoto actually thinking they're a guy

    but there's much more evidence to show that they're just afraid of being a woman instead of wanting to be a man

  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Squall wrote: »
    like there are times when p4 is incredibly well written and it charms the pants off of you

    and other times there's
    the swimsuit competition, wherein we need to learn that naoto actually has mega tits
    Actually, Naoto declined the swimsuit competition, which is why she won, we learned about her measurements from the medical exam, please get your fluff events correct next time.

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    God damn it Radius

    Do not have a cow, mortal.

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    Best fluff event award goes to school trip

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited November 2012
    the fluff events were the worst part of this game

    NO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE SHENANIGANS ON A CAMPING TRIP CAN I PLEASE GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL GAME NOW

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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    There's bugs at camping though

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  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    I dunno, I think I rank the new band scene above that. No homophobic creeper Yosuke, lots of Teddie fingers, Yukiko trying to play my favourite instrument.

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    Zay wrote: »
    There's bugs at camping though

    and like 15 excruciating minutes of dealing with yukiko and chie's shitty cooking

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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    Speaking of cooking, I am fearless but need to become a badass just to try some of Fuuka's food

    Does Japan have like, a phobia of beginner chefs?

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  • Sara LynnSara Lynn I can handle myself. Registered User regular
    guys I don't have a vita

    but

    Persona 3 FES is on the PSN

    I've never played Persona

    is this a thing I should do

  • Ms DapperMs Dapper Yuri Librarian Registered User regular
    Zay wrote: »
    Speaking of cooking, I am fearless but need to become a badass just to try some of Fuuka's food

    Does Japan have like, a phobia of beginner chefs?

    It's an anime thing, so kind of.

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    BugBoy wrote: »
    the fluff events were the worst part of this game

    NO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE SHENANIGANS ON A CAMPING TRIP CAN I PLEASE GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL GAME NOW

    I have never disagreed with you more

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  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    clearly we can only settle this by battle

    I will win because I spent time training in dungeons while you went skiing on motorbikes or whatever the hell you do in the vita release

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Sara Lynn wrote: »
    guys I don't have a vita

    but

    Persona 3 FES is on the PSN

    I've never played Persona

    is this a thing I should do

    If you want to play a Persona game, that's a great place to start.

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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    Don't you need skis to go skiing?

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  • cabsycabsy the fattest rainbow unicorn Registered User regular
    Sara Lynn wrote: »
    guys I don't have a vita

    but

    Persona 3 FES is on the PSN

    I've never played Persona

    is this a thing I should do

    It is a pretty fun game. I'm playing P3P and there are some things which make it a much nicer/easier experience than P3:FES but I would still recommend P3FES all the way.

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    Make sure to play on the easiest difficulty so you don't need to grind

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