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[SMT4/Persona] Teatime with Satan

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Zay wrote: »
    oh man

    do these questions when you're hanging out with people actually matter??? shit

    Yes. A lot.

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    The best way to describe it is that each rank will require a certain number of "points"

    there are certain answers that will gain you MORE points but you get some points from hanging out with dudes no matter what

    there is a way to max out your social links in one playthrough but it requires basically taking the game out of the game and turning it into a spreadsheet

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    just lean into it and play it in DickMode

    that sure seems to be the way to play it with Kaz

    Zay on
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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Zay wrote: »
    I am now seeing why everyone says you won't max all the social links on your first playthrough, everything is stalling out with the "you feel your relationship will become closer soon" and it JUST dawned on me that it's because I am answering questions poorly

    Yeah. If you answer everything "right", you'll almost never have sessions where you just hang out. Most social links will just go 1-2-3-4...

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    there's some stagnation around ranks 7-9

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    oh but if you have the proper persona equipped it gives a multiplier to the number of points you get from answers

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    most of mine are at 3, lol

    Classmate is at 9 and Kendo is now at 6 or 7 I forget

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    so like say you're hanging out with kenji, magician

    bring a magician persona to every slink

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Shen wrote: »
    Kanji
    is bi at most? He shows attraction to girls throughout, getting nosebleeds over Yukiko and Chie (:rotate: ) and continues to crush on Naoto. He just responds positively to people who don't treat him like shit, unlike most of society. It's probably inaccurate to interpret relationships at that age through the lens of adults - for adults sex is a large part of it, but at fifteen you might just be looking for someone who'll accept you as you are (and smooches). His dungeon is just an exaggeration of how he feels, and how he thinks society views people like him. I mean, no one is making the argument that Chie is a dominatrix despite how her Shadow manifests.
    Except Kanji's dungeon and shadow obviously have a sexual theme to them whereas Chie's shadow doesn't at all.

    At the end of the day, tho, and viewing him as a homosexual myself, I don't think Kanji is even bi, just a straight guy that likes some stereotypical feminine things and is overconcerned about how that will affect his masculinity. If anything, he's more of an knock to LGBTs then he is some kind of ground breaking character.

  • SquallSquall hap cloud Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    so like say you're hanging out with kenji, magician

    bring a magician persona to every slink

    alt advice: dont hang out with kenji

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    I loved hanging out with kenji

    he's the guy at school that everyone laughs AT not with

    but he doesn't realize that

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    (that was me in high school)

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    Kenji owns

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  • cabsycabsy the fattest rainbow unicorn Registered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    so like say you're hanging out with kenji, magician

    bring a magician persona to every slink

    Shit I did not realize! Other reasons to love playing as a girl, Magician is Junpei who is so much cooler than Kenji

    Magic Pink
  • SquallSquall hap cloud Registered User regular
    to be fair to kenji his s link has a really good payoff at rank eight or nine

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    junpei is fucking awesome, and has probably my favorite character arc in the series

  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    the other day I realized I still had a PSP

    what's cheaper these days, P3FES or P3P

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Kanji
    is bi at most? He shows attraction to girls throughout, getting nosebleeds over Yukiko and Chie (:rotate: ) and continues to crush on Naoto. He just responds positively to people who don't treat him like shit, unlike most of society. It's probably inaccurate to interpret relationships at that age through the lens of adults - for adults sex is a large part of it, but at fifteen you might just be looking for someone who'll accept you as you are (and smooches). His dungeon is just an exaggeration of how he feels, and how he thinks society views people like him. I mean, no one is making the argument that Chie is a dominatrix despite how her Shadow manifests.
    Except Kanji's dungeon and shadow obviously have a sexual theme to them whereas Chie's shadow doesn't at all.

    At the end of the day, tho, and viewing him as a homosexual myself, I don't think Kanji is even bi, just a straight guy that likes some stereotypical feminine things and is overconcerned about how that will affect his masculinity. If anything, he's more of an knock to LGBTs then he is some kind of ground breaking character.

    Chie's shadow
    is in latex, carries a whip and is sitting on top of two girls! :P

    Oh, and in Persona 3 I think having max Charm is an additional multiplier for social links, so max that shit early.

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  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    When can I start S Linking the other SEES people?
    Fuuka and Mitsuru are available, but I need maxed Academics and Courage which I don't have yet, and I'm assuming I can get Junpei, Yukari and Akihiko at some point??

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    BugBoy wrote: »
    the other day I realized I still had a PSP

    what's cheaper these days, P3FES or P3P
    buy P3P regardless

    also Jeanne D'arc, probably the most overlooked game of the 21st century

  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    P4 spoilers
    isn't theTV world a reflection of what people on the outside world think? So Kanji's world is that way because that's what people think of him.

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Shen wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Kanji
    is bi at most? He shows attraction to girls throughout, getting nosebleeds over Yukiko and Chie (:rotate: ) and continues to crush on Naoto. He just responds positively to people who don't treat him like shit, unlike most of society. It's probably inaccurate to interpret relationships at that age through the lens of adults - for adults sex is a large part of it, but at fifteen you might just be looking for someone who'll accept you as you are (and smooches). His dungeon is just an exaggeration of how he feels, and how he thinks society views people like him. I mean, no one is making the argument that Chie is a dominatrix despite how her Shadow manifests.
    Except Kanji's dungeon and shadow obviously have a sexual theme to them whereas Chie's shadow doesn't at all.

    At the end of the day, tho, and viewing him as a homosexual myself, I don't think Kanji is even bi, just a straight guy that likes some stereotypical feminine things and is overconcerned about how that will affect his masculinity. If anything, he's more of an knock to LGBTs then he is some kind of ground breaking character.

    Chie's shadow
    is in latex, carries a whip and is sitting on top of two girls! :P

    Oh, and in Persona 3 I think having max Charm is an additional multiplier for social links, so max that shit early.

    Girls in latex in anime is a given.
    Other then that, she's sitting on SCHOOL girls in uniform more implying to me that she's using them to attain her vaulted social status which is something Chie admits to Yukiko. In any case, the sexual subtect is blatantly, verbally stated in Kanji's case; that's my point.

  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    BugBoy wrote: »
    the other day I realized I still had a PSP

    what's cheaper these days, P3FES or P3P
    buy P3P regardless

    also Jeanne D'arc, probably the most overlooked game of the 21st century

    ehh

    ehhhhhhhhh

  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Kanji
    is bi at most? He shows attraction to girls throughout, getting nosebleeds over Yukiko and Chie (:rotate: ) and continues to crush on Naoto. He just responds positively to people who don't treat him like shit, unlike most of society. It's probably inaccurate to interpret relationships at that age through the lens of adults - for adults sex is a large part of it, but at fifteen you might just be looking for someone who'll accept you as you are (and smooches). His dungeon is just an exaggeration of how he feels, and how he thinks society views people like him. I mean, no one is making the argument that Chie is a dominatrix despite how her Shadow manifests.
    Except Kanji's dungeon and shadow obviously have a sexual theme to them whereas Chie's shadow doesn't at all.

    At the end of the day, tho, and viewing him as a homosexual myself, I don't think Kanji is even bi, just a straight guy that likes some stereotypical feminine things and is overconcerned about how that will affect his masculinity. If anything, he's more of an knock to LGBTs then he is some kind of ground breaking character.

    Chie's shadow
    is in latex, carries a whip and is sitting on top of two girls! :P

    Oh, and in Persona 3 I think having max Charm is an additional multiplier for social links, so max that shit early.

    Girls in latex in anime is a given.
    Other then that, she's sitting on SCHOOL girls in uniform more implying to me that she's using them to attain her vaulted social status which is something Chie admits to Yukiko. In any case, the sexual subtect is blatantly, verbally stated in Kanji's case; that's my point.
    She's sitting on a bunch of schoolgirls, wearing a dominatrix suit, and has a whip. The fact that it being equally sexual isn't convenient to your point does not change the fact that it is a very sexual aesthetic.

    Similarly, Rise's shadow is literally pole dancing for us. Sex still isn't the crux of the issue there though. It's just a convenient visual metaphor.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Jeanne D'arc is a retelling of the story of Joan of Arc by the Dark Cloud/ Professor Layton team wherein Jeanne and her friends are given magic bracelets that let them transform into Power rangers, La Hire is a combination between a lion and Chewbacca, there is a purple frog that acts as your ability upgrading system (by eating your previous abilities), there are orcs and goblins and dragons and also the prince of england is possessed by an actual demon

    none of these are spoilers, believe it or not, this is all from like the first 2 hours of game time

  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    I had Jeanne D'Arc for my PSP

    I remember it actually being pretty cool

    and weird

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    it's weird as shit! In an extremely endearing way

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Kanji
    is bi at most? He shows attraction to girls throughout, getting nosebleeds over Yukiko and Chie (:rotate: ) and continues to crush on Naoto. He just responds positively to people who don't treat him like shit, unlike most of society. It's probably inaccurate to interpret relationships at that age through the lens of adults - for adults sex is a large part of it, but at fifteen you might just be looking for someone who'll accept you as you are (and smooches). His dungeon is just an exaggeration of how he feels, and how he thinks society views people like him. I mean, no one is making the argument that Chie is a dominatrix despite how her Shadow manifests.
    Except Kanji's dungeon and shadow obviously have a sexual theme to them whereas Chie's shadow doesn't at all.

    At the end of the day, tho, and viewing him as a homosexual myself, I don't think Kanji is even bi, just a straight guy that likes some stereotypical feminine things and is overconcerned about how that will affect his masculinity. If anything, he's more of an knock to LGBTs then he is some kind of ground breaking character.

    I don't understand how you could call him a knock
    The entire point of his character arc is that it's stupid to worry about what's "manly" or "feminine". That these things don't matter and you should just be who you are, that gender roles and gender/sexuality stereotypes don't define a person. He IS worried about coming off as gay, not as a knock against gay people, but because gay people are commonly mocked, stereotyped, and shamed in society. He's scared that people won't like him if they think he's gay or feminine, and that he won't be able to like himself. Then it turns out, hey, it's okay to be yourself. It doesn't matter how manly or feminine you are, doesn't matter if you like dudes or chicks, you will still find people that will judge you for the kind of person you really are, and you will still be able to find fulfillment with yourself.

    While his story may not specifically about being gay, it absolutely sends the message that if he was, that would be perfectly fine and that the stereotyping and shame society shows that behavior is wrong.

  • BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Jeanne D'arc is a retelling of the story of Joan of Arc by the Dark Cloud/ Professor Layton team wherein Jeanne and her friends are given magic bracelets that let them transform into Power rangers, La Hire is a combination between a lion and Chewbacca, there is a purple frog that acts as your ability upgrading system (by eating your previous abilities), there are orcs and goblins and dragons and also the prince of england is possessed by an actual demon

    none of these are spoilers, believe it or not, this is all from like the first 2 hours of game time

    okay magic transforming french history can pierce this apathy a bit

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Kanji
    is bi at most? He shows attraction to girls throughout, getting nosebleeds over Yukiko and Chie (:rotate: ) and continues to crush on Naoto. He just responds positively to people who don't treat him like shit, unlike most of society. It's probably inaccurate to interpret relationships at that age through the lens of adults - for adults sex is a large part of it, but at fifteen you might just be looking for someone who'll accept you as you are (and smooches). His dungeon is just an exaggeration of how he feels, and how he thinks society views people like him. I mean, no one is making the argument that Chie is a dominatrix despite how her Shadow manifests.
    Except Kanji's dungeon and shadow obviously have a sexual theme to them whereas Chie's shadow doesn't at all.

    At the end of the day, tho, and viewing him as a homosexual myself, I don't think Kanji is even bi, just a straight guy that likes some stereotypical feminine things and is overconcerned about how that will affect his masculinity. If anything, he's more of an knock to LGBTs then he is some kind of ground breaking character.

    Chie's shadow
    is in latex, carries a whip and is sitting on top of two girls! :P

    Oh, and in Persona 3 I think having max Charm is an additional multiplier for social links, so max that shit early.

    Girls in latex in anime is a given.
    Other then that, she's sitting on SCHOOL girls in uniform more implying to me that she's using them to attain her vaulted social status which is something Chie admits to Yukiko. In any case, the sexual subtect is blatantly, verbally stated in Kanji's case; that's my point.
    She's sitting on a bunch of schoolgirls, wearing a dominatrix suit, and has a whip. The fact that it being equally sexual isn't convenient to your point does not change the fact that it is a very sexual aesthetic.

    Similarly, Rise's shadow is literally pole dancing for us. Sex still isn't the crux of the issue there though. It's just a convenient visual metaphor.
    No, my point, since it's been lost, is no one is comparing Chie's sexual subtext with Kanji's sexual subtext because Kanji's isn't subtext. It's TEXT, it's the main theme, it's stated overtly. Chie's is shown once and, as shown, can have multiple interpretations; all of which make sense in the context. And, again, her Shadow being sexual is a given. It doesn't even have to have any subtext to it; they almost HAVE to show every female in some sort of sexual quality to even sell the product now.

    But, again, she's not really sitting on them, they're holding her up which, again, maybe just to me, is a completely different meaning. But then I've had to deal with a LOT of bondage porn in past jobs.

    Magic Pink on
  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    I should get back to Jeanne D'arc at some point

    Do not have a cow, mortal.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    BugBoy wrote: »
    Hullis wrote: »
    Jeanne D'arc is a retelling of the story of Joan of Arc by the Dark Cloud/ Professor Layton team wherein Jeanne and her friends are given magic bracelets that let them transform into Power rangers, La Hire is a combination between a lion and Chewbacca, there is a purple frog that acts as your ability upgrading system (by eating your previous abilities), there are orcs and goblins and dragons and also the prince of england is possessed by an actual demon

    none of these are spoilers, believe it or not, this is all from like the first 2 hours of game time

    okay magic transforming french history can pierce this apathy a bit

    spoiler
    The giant purple frog? He's where the prince of england's soul went to after being possessed

    he gets a magical armlet and fights with a sword in his mouth

    I love jeanne d'arc SO MUCH, you guys

  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    Dammit Hullis why did I click that

    I didn't get that far yet

    Do not have a cow, mortal.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Kanji
    is bi at most? He shows attraction to girls throughout, getting nosebleeds over Yukiko and Chie (:rotate: ) and continues to crush on Naoto. He just responds positively to people who don't treat him like shit, unlike most of society. It's probably inaccurate to interpret relationships at that age through the lens of adults - for adults sex is a large part of it, but at fifteen you might just be looking for someone who'll accept you as you are (and smooches). His dungeon is just an exaggeration of how he feels, and how he thinks society views people like him. I mean, no one is making the argument that Chie is a dominatrix despite how her Shadow manifests.
    Except Kanji's dungeon and shadow obviously have a sexual theme to them whereas Chie's shadow doesn't at all.

    At the end of the day, tho, and viewing him as a homosexual myself, I don't think Kanji is even bi, just a straight guy that likes some stereotypical feminine things and is overconcerned about how that will affect his masculinity. If anything, he's more of an knock to LGBTs then he is some kind of ground breaking character.

    I don't understand how you could call him a knock
    The entire point of his character arc is that it's stupid to worry about what's "manly" or "feminine". That these things don't matter and you should just be who you are, that gender roles and gender/sexuality stereotypes don't define a person. He IS worried about coming off as gay, not as a knock against gay people, but because gay people are commonly mocked, stereotyped, and shamed in society. He's scared that people won't like him if they think he's gay or feminine, and that he won't be able to like himself. Then it turns out, hey, it's okay to be yourself. It doesn't matter how manly or feminine you are, doesn't matter if you like dudes or chicks, you will still find people that will judge you for the kind of person you really are, and you will still be able to find fulfillment with yourself.

    While his story may not specifically about being gay, it absolutely sends the message that if he was, that would be perfectly fine and that the stereotyping and shame society shows that behavior is wrong.
    I haven't finished his Social Link yet, that's why I said "more of a knock". My opinion may radically change, for sure; since I don't have his whole story yet.

    Magic Pink on
  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Shen wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Shen wrote: »
    Kanji
    is bi at most? He shows attraction to girls throughout, getting nosebleeds over Yukiko and Chie (:rotate: ) and continues to crush on Naoto. He just responds positively to people who don't treat him like shit, unlike most of society. It's probably inaccurate to interpret relationships at that age through the lens of adults - for adults sex is a large part of it, but at fifteen you might just be looking for someone who'll accept you as you are (and smooches). His dungeon is just an exaggeration of how he feels, and how he thinks society views people like him. I mean, no one is making the argument that Chie is a dominatrix despite how her Shadow manifests.
    Except Kanji's dungeon and shadow obviously have a sexual theme to them whereas Chie's shadow doesn't at all.

    At the end of the day, tho, and viewing him as a homosexual myself, I don't think Kanji is even bi, just a straight guy that likes some stereotypical feminine things and is overconcerned about how that will affect his masculinity. If anything, he's more of an knock to LGBTs then he is some kind of ground breaking character.

    Chie's shadow
    is in latex, carries a whip and is sitting on top of two girls! :P

    Oh, and in Persona 3 I think having max Charm is an additional multiplier for social links, so max that shit early.

    I think this is only in P3P.

    Zay if you're playing the Male MC, you can only S. Link with lady SEES members.

    If you're the lady, you can link with everyone.

    Yukari should be available right off the bat. Mitsuru requires max Academics. Fuuka requires high Courage.

    If you're a lady, Junpei is easy, Akihiko requires courage, and Ken requires more courage.

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    oh that's lame

    I've talked to Yukari after class every day and in the dorm but haven't been able to s link her yet

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Don't you need to get to that one part in the story to slink with yukari

  • ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    "The Social Link can be initiated after July 23rd, furthermore, the Protagonist must have his Charm status maxed out" thanks internet

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Hullis wrote: »
    Don't you need to get to that one part in the story to slink with yukari

    If you do it's not very far in at all.

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Yeah I remember yukari needing maxed charm

    yuko's the best lady slink anyways hth

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