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Very concerned i'm crashing and burning.

Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
edited October 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
I've been dating someone for about 9 months, everything has been going really well. to be honest, it's been going better than with anyone in my entire life. unfortunately, my GF got some bad news a few months back... she has HPV, and recently had to get biopsies. I have never been tested, and it's possible i have it too, or even gave it to her.. . If i'm positive as well, there is no way to tell if i gave it to her, or she gave it to me. regardless, that isn't the issue... she got biopsies recently, and has since been extremely distant... things just don't feel the same anymore.

To be honest, we are hitting the point where most of my relationships have hit the wall... i'm really worried that we have merely hit a (albeit serious)bump, and i'm blowing it out of proportion. i want to tell her that i'm concerned there is something wrong, but i'm so goddamn paranoid that we are at a delicate point, and my asking about it is going to ruin everything. We were out, and had fun last night, she stayed over (no sex though, biopsy is no fun, which is fine: i didn't try anything, just snuggling), and things seemed better. but today i barely heard from her, and she met me out for the Orioles game (we live in baltimore, and it was rain delayed), while i was drinking with my friends. She essentially showed up, ordered food, ate half, and left.

I'm driving myself crazy, is it with good reason? when she found out about the HPV thing, she basically said she would be fine with me breaking up with her. i told her she was nuts, and it would take much more than that to make me even consider ending things. I've told her i love her, and she has said the same. I want her to move in with me, but she signed a lease at her current place before that, and it would be tough to break it. I'm in no rush though. it all seemed to go bad with the HPV thing, i will do whatever it takes, but i just don't know how to do what she needs. clearly, you guys don't know what's going through her head any more than i do, so i don't expect a clear answer... i'm just grasping at straws...

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  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    Honestly, there's a tough point in relationships where you get "comfortable" and some of the initial romance/lust etc. goes out of it. That's ok. Take her out for a nice dinner (or make her one), and just talk about where you want to go together. If there's no future, you'll know.

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    its almost impossble to test men. Even if you had hpv before hand any std test wouldn't have shown it.

    Now it sucks that your relationship is being strained, but it could just be stress on your so part and things may need to normalized before you can get back to being intimate.

  • LandwehrLandwehr Registered User regular
    It sounds like both of you are both very stressed about HPV. I suggest that you do a little research about it, because it's actually a very common and usually innocuous infection. Estimates vary, but it's likely that over 50% of sexually active adults contract HPV at some point in their lives. And the majority of cases are temporary with no long term harm. I think that for most people the stigma and the worry are far worse than the infection.

  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    It sounds like the biggest issue is lack of communication. You don't know what she's thinking because you two don't seem to really be talking openly and honestly with each other about it.

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  • EsseeEssee The pinkest of hair. Victoria, BCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2012
    Yeah, HPV is actually fairly common, and not necessarily even a big deal (but it is communicable, of course). I'm guessing your girlfriend is just really upset about finding out she has it, and I really wouldn't worry too much about the status of your relationship right now. I bet she's thinking "omg HPV = cancer = everything is terrible" or something similar, which understandably takes some time to get past. She's still in the midst of testing and whatnot, so it's probably still on her mind a lot of the time (especially since I presume she's not even sure whether there's cancer to deal with?). Just stick with her for a while, give her time to get over the shock and embarrassment and everything. If, after she's come to terms with it, she's still distant, THEN you can start worrying... but I bet things will be okay again once she moves on from this. I sincerely doubt this is a permanent problem, so there's nothing to lose from just waiting things out for a while.

    Edit: And yeah, if you're worried that something might be wrong... ask her if things are okay! Communication is the most important aspect of a relationship.

    Essee on
  • PantshandshakePantshandshake Registered User regular
    Well, Mister Doctor, I went through the exact same thing with my girlfriend, about 8 years ago. She's been my wife for 6 years now, so it is indeed possible to get past the bump. Everyone who has suggested actually talking to her about it is absolutely right.

    Two side notes:
    1. After the biopsy, there's... well, pretty much a big scab, which is just waiting to get stuck to the end of your penis after sex. Be careful.

    2. Someone is going to find a way to pin this on your haunted house.

  • Raif SeveranceRaif Severance Registered User regular
    From what you've written it seems to me that your GF is having trouble dealing with her diagnosis. Essee has it right, I think, in that she's just trying to sort through things and probably freaking out. It's hard to sit by and do nothing when someone you care about is having a rough time like this. The important thing to remember is that they don't want you to "fix" them or "fix" the situation - they want you to be supportive and understanding.

    There's a delicate balance of giving enough space for her to sort things out but not making too much of a divide between you two. Previous posters have it right in that you have to communicate but be aware that she may want to be alone with her thoughts periodically. I've been married for 6 years and dated my wife 4 years before that and sometimes (read - the majority) I still don't know what the hell is going on. I think that if your relationship was as strong as what you say it was before this incident then you should be able to overcome this and hopefully have a stronger relationship when the dust settles.

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Going to echo that HPV is very common and difficult to test in many cases, so it's hard to know what the order of events was (i.e., if someone was "cheating" or not). It's quite possible that you or she got it from someone else prior to this relationship, and it's only popping up now.

    WRT your relationship, it sounds like there are a few things going on. You're clearly trying to come to terms with the transition from a short-term "exciting" relationship into a long-term stable one, and for someone who has never done that before, it can be emotionally confusing. This will probably pass with time, but it can't hurt for you to do some thinking about what it is you're looking for in a relationship, whether you're getting it from this one, and how you see yourselves a few years down the line. It sounds like the answers to all of these questions are positive, so consciously affirming your desire to be in this relationship is a good thing. If you really want to be serious, then talking more openly about your future plans and working towards them would also bring excitement and "newness" of a different sort.

    Based on your description of your girlfriend's reaction, it sounds like she may have cheated on you (hence the, "I'm OK if you want to break up with me") comment. In addition to dealing with her diagnosis, she may also be dealing with feelings of guilt, assuming she actually did cheat. That being said, I would again repeat that it's difficult to know where these things start and stop... There's no way of knowing if she cheated on you unless she actually says she did, so you are pretty much never going to get a clear answer. It doesn't sound like you really care about the past, though, which is a good thing. Really, if you both want to continue in the relationship, there's nothing stopping you guys. Obviously you're entitled to "the truth", but if you are serious about moving forward then the best thing you can do is simply be supportive and caring, and let her come to terms with everything.

    A nice date might help - maybe do something fun where she doesn't have time to sit and brood? Alternatively, something quiet and relaxing so she can de-stress might work. I don't know, man. Womens are confusing. You figure it out.

  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I don't think anyone said she was cheating. I think that is a wild, retarded leap off a very large cliff that really does not need to be made here. It's very difficult to test for especially in men and can take months or years to show if it ever does at all. It could even have come from the OP. There is no reason whatsoever to think along those lines.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    Two side notes:
    1. After the biopsy, there's... well, pretty much a big scab, which is just waiting to get stuck to the end of your penis after sex. Be careful.

    2. Someone is going to find a way to pin this on your haunted house.

    I don't think the game of pin the scab on the....well I don't think thats a very family friendly game to have at a haunted house.

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited October 2012
    Or maybe she just may be clamming up as a defense mechanism--she just went through a STD diagnosis and what was probably a semi-traumatic biopsy procedure and doesn't know how to talk about it, or how she should feel. There's a lot of societal shame involved with a HPV diagnosis, even though it's incredibly common, and that plus somebody digging about in her ladyparts may have made her really worried about how you're thinking of her.

    Maybe just asking her if she's OK would be a good place to start, tell her you care about her and you don't give a shit if she has HPV or not and go with the conversation from there.

    Usagi on
  • iRevertiRevert Tactical Martha Stewart Registered User regular
    edited October 2012
    Usagi wrote: »
    tell her you care about her and you don't give a shit if she has herpes or not

    Correct me if I'm wrong but HPV (Human papillomavirus) is not a form of herpes.

    iRevert on
  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    iRevert wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    tell her you care about her and you don't give a shit if she has herpes or not

    Correct me if I'm wrong but HPV (Human papillomavirus) is not a form of herpes.

    Apologies, reading comprehension fail.

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Sorry, but my assumption was that your partner having an STD is not a "break-up-able" offense, so my perspective was that anyone saying, "I understand if you want to break up with me" is implying something else between the lines. Perhaps that is a poor assumption to make. Given the description, I don't think it's completely retarded or that I'm making a huge leap of logic. As mentioned repeatedly in my post, it's a very ambiguous situation. It's entirely possible that not only is she just dealing with her diagnosis, but that the OP actually gave it to her and no cheating was involved. Which is pretty much the first thing I said.

    Anyway, I agree that it's doubtful that is what is going on here, but I thought that is what the OP was asking, so I was trying to address those concerns.

  • NamrokNamrok Registered User regular
    Yeah, HPV is tricky. There is no real test for men. I mean if you have a wart on your dick they can scrape some off and check to see if it was caused by HPV. Or they can just scraped random bits of skin off your dick and test those. But the issue really is that HPV is a localized infection, and they don't know where to look for it, unless its showing symptoms. Which it often doesn't. At least that is my understanding of it.

    It's also my understanding that HPV can lay dormant for years, and only crop up when the immune system is compromised. It also tends to clear itself out of a persons system in a few years. Only a small fraction of the strains out there are cancer causing. Every single woman I have ever met has had HPV at some point in their life before they even met me. Oh, and condoms don't stop it.

    All that being said HPV is often the first brush most women get with time rendering their bodies imperfect. Before the wrinkles, arthritis, sagging tits, greying hair and a bad back, HPV is the first sign that they are showing a little wear and tear from having lived. They don't take it well. They can make it sound pretty apocalyptic.

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    ... I'm pretty sure you need an exorcist at this point. Do you prefer Hebrew, Islamic, or Christian?

    Talk to each other, let her know it's okay to be concerned and distant, but strength comes from unity and communication. She needs to lean on you and you need to support it. It's incredibly difficult to deal with these, and it's incredibly difficult, even after a year, to open up to someone about this.

    This HPV scare/actuality is going to be a beacon of things to come if you don't learn to move past it. Talk, talk, talk.

  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    HPV is sort of weird, it's basically like the common cold, most people have been exposed to some strain of it and it's no big deal, but some strains in some people become symptomatic.

    The key is there's a lot of myth that it's "permanent" or something. It usually goes away with treatment or on its own, most people who think it's chronic have had it twice. You could have given it to her, or got it from her, had it change slightly in your ecosystem, and given it back to her. It's not a huge deal. Most women who get it (because it is associated with cervical cancer so strongly in society) super freak out but basically, if you caught it and diagnosed it it's probably going to be fine. I know more than one person that has had it and gone on to marry and have kids, etc.

  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I think it actually gets most of its stigma these days from the pictures they use to scare children in health class. They really should not teach people that way.

    Attractiveness is probably a big deal to her right now. No matter what it actually looks like, it is quite possible that in her head she's walking around with the worst image google image search can provide.

    Is HPV a big deal? Probably not so big. But to her, right now, it IS, so if/when she does try to talk about it, don't downplay what she's feeling or try to tell her HPV is no big deal. Just make it clear that you think she's beautiful.

    Allllll that said, and HPV aside, you should really ask her if everything is okay or if something is wrong. Maybe it's insecurity, but maybe it's not, and maybe it's something that you two can work out if you just talk about it. If asking if there's something wrong in itself ends your relationship, it was over and you just didn't know it yet. But if it doesn't and there is and you two can work on it together then you have a shot at fixing it, and that's probably preferable to you right now.

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Sometimes I wish GIS didn't exist.

  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Did you... why would you do that to yourself?

    And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    "Because it was there."

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Ahah! No I meant for people that like to google their sickness and use that for their body image problems.

    HPV can get pretty nasty I'll admit though... especially if you have immunology problems.

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Sometimes I wish GIS didn't exist.

    The internet is pretty useless for hypochondriacs because all the pictures of diseases are the absolute worst forms of the disease. So if you google tooth decay to see if that dark spot on your tooth is bad, you'll just get pictures of mouthfuls of hideous rotting corruption. Leaving you none the wiser but really grossed out.

  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    Wow lots of response! I'm 99% sure cheating isn't the issue. we actually talked after i posted that, and i think things are much better. When she first told me about it, i think i handled it well, but when she got the biopsy, and wouldn't hear anything for like a week, i said: "i'm sure everything will be fine, but my fingers are crossed" and then mentioned something else that was going on. She felt like i was dismissing the issue, when i was really just trying to take her mind of it. So basically, she was giving me a bit of the silent treatment, and i was assuming that meant "give me space" which pissed her off even more, and then i freaked out.

    I bought her some flowers and she came over the other day, and we had a good conversation about it. i think we are back to normal! so thanks for everyone talking me off the ledge!

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    She felt like i was dismissing the issue, when i was really just trying to take her mind of it. So basically, she was giving me a bit of the silent treatment, and i was assuming that meant "give me space" which pissed her off even more, and then i freaked out.

    This is why both parties can be dumb about communication sometimes. She could've brought up her concerns without automatically assuming the things she did!

    Still. Bro. Exorcist. Let me know. I can hook you up.

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