I seem to remember TV Guide giving Gargoyles a "Cheer" for that, especially the fact that she didn't just come right back next episode, either.
I wish others in animation would take the hint and actually show WHY the things our heroes are dealing with and fighting against are bad.
I think she came back the episode after next, but she was on crutches, and continued to be for several eps.
I still can't believe they had her in a pool of blood. That was really brave of Disney.
The best part was the payoff with Goliath going ape shit and destroying that gang hideout and wanting to kill the leader.
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Holy crap.
So I got the game.
It is like Double Dragon, Final Fight, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the Arcade Game got together and had a 3-way love baby.
Also, it isn't stupid easy, which I appreciate... at the same time the enemy AI isn't cheap bullshit, if they get you, you screwed up. I actually got a game over on the first level, hot damn!
Never saw Gargoyles, but Batman The Animated Series was the first animated show to really take violence seriously. The bad guys in that show used real guns, and there were consequences. The episodes "I Am the Night" where Gordon gets shot in a raid gone bad that Batman was late for and Bats goes nearly insane questioning himself and his purpose is one of the most dramatic, astonishing things I've ever seen in animation. That was a show that didn't talk down to its audience. I swear I enjoy it more now as an adult on DVD than I did as a kid.
Still pretty shocking when you first see Leonardo deliver that "fatal" blow. And pretty cathartic too, now that I think about it... so many pointless spin-offs and movies could have been avoided if the Turtles had taken that approach in the first season of the original cartoon!
Never saw Gargoyles, but Batman The Animated Series was the first animated show to really take violence seriously. The bad guys in that show used real guns, and there were consequences. The episodes "I Am the Night" where Gordon gets shot in a raid gone bad that Batman was late for and Bats goes nearly insane questioning himself and his purpose is one of the most dramatic, astonishing things I've ever seen in animation. That was a show that didn't talk down to its audience. I swear I enjoy it more now as an adult on DVD than I did as a kid.
Batman: TAS was all over the map, actually. The really good episodes were really fucking good, but there were so many concessions to the "cartoons are for kids" crowd, that it was hard for them to maintain quality. Overall, though, I think the quality steadily increases as the series went on (one of my favorites was the
robot-clone-batman and debating the ethics of killing a robot who thinks it's a human
). I was also surprised at how much I liked Batman Beyond.
It really all comes down to creators want to do something compelling, while networks and toy companies want to sell it to children. I imagine E&L wanted the TMNT cartoon to mirror their creation, but they had a hard time juggling that and large sacks with dollar signs on them.
Cartoon fact:
No one in Spider-Man was allowed to throw punches, but kicks and headbutts are A-OK! I wonder if there will ever be a cartoon awesome enough to cover Spider-Man: The Other.
EDIT:
Was shredder always an alien in a suit? Wasn't he just a super-ninja in the E&L comics?
Never saw Gargoyles, but Batman The Animated Series was the first animated show to really take violence seriously. The bad guys in that show used real guns, and there were consequences. The episodes "I Am the Night" where Gordon gets shot in a raid gone bad that Batman was late for and Bats goes nearly insane questioning himself and his purpose is one of the most dramatic, astonishing things I've ever seen in animation. That was a show that didn't talk down to its audience. I swear I enjoy it more now as an adult on DVD than I did as a kid.
Batman: TAS was all over the map, actually. The really good episodes were really fucking good, but there were so many concessions to the "cartoons are for kids" crowd, that it was hard for them to maintain quality. Overall, though, I think the quality steadily increases as the series went on (one of my favorites was the
robot-clone-batman and debating the ethics of killing a robot who thinks it's a human
).
Whoa, whoa, hold it. Did you ever see the Gotham Knights episodes? Aside from a couple of gems (in one great episode, Robin finds the girl of his dreams, only to discover that she has a terrible secret), it was a big step down for the Batman animated series. I still have nightmares about Critters, the awful love child of The Island of Dr. Moreau and The Beverly Hillbillies.
Batman Beyond was pretty awesome though, I'll give you that.
Never saw Gargoyles, but Batman The Animated Series was the first animated show to really take violence seriously. The bad guys in that show used real guns, and there were consequences. The episodes "I Am the Night" where Gordon gets shot in a raid gone bad that Batman was late for and Bats goes nearly insane questioning himself and his purpose is one of the most dramatic, astonishing things I've ever seen in animation. That was a show that didn't talk down to its audience. I swear I enjoy it more now as an adult on DVD than I did as a kid.
Batman: TAS was all over the map, actually. The really good episodes were really fucking good, but there were so many concessions to the "cartoons are for kids" crowd, that it was hard for them to maintain quality. Overall, though, I think the quality steadily increases as the series went on (one of my favorites was the
robot-clone-batman and debating the ethics of killing a robot who thinks it's a human
).
Whoa, whoa, hold it. Did you ever see the Gotham Knights episodes? Aside from a couple of gems (in one great episode, Robin finds the girl of his dreams, only to discover that she has a terrible secret), it was a big step down for the Batman animated series. I still have nightmares about Critters, the awful love child of The Island of Dr. Moreau and The Beverly Hillbillies.
Batman Beyond was pretty awesome though, I'll give you that.
Yeah, Gotham Knights was a conundrum. It had some of my favorite episodes from the entire series (the one you mention, and the one where Batgirl dies) and yet some of the very worst also. And regarding Batman Beyond, I picked up the third season set today. Now I can bathe in the glory of the full series whenever I want.
On topic, I also picked up the GBA TMNT game. I haven't even turned it on yet, but here's to hoping it's good.
Heh, the only kind of "hack" that is would be a y-cable making the mono output of the NES stereo...well, making it come out of both of the speakers on my TV anyway.
Well this game is very good except it pissed me off trying to beat the first act on hard and I eventually gave up and just did it on normal. I suck as Raphael and I always have and you can't call for another turtle to help out or heal you in the first mission. I kept getting up to the motorcycles and dying until I switched it to normal. Either way, I would never have been able to beat the boss. I'm not skilled enough at the game yet. So yeah, hard mode is hard and I'm happy it is. This game is totally awesome though and I'm glad I picked it up.
Did you miss the episode where Shredder was decapitated?
Because
you know
Leo cut his head off.
The point is, you're wrong.
Yeah, but it was revealed shortly after that Shredder was an Utrom in a suit, so I don't know if that really counts...
You have no idea how badly that pissed me off.
Over a decade's worth of great backstory for the character of Oroko Saki, completely flushed down the shitter.
i thought that this new Ultrom shredder came in after Oroko Saki died.
Not as far as I know; they even changed the full backstory behind Yoshii vs. the Oroko clan, and instead turned it into Yoshii being some kind of agent for the good-guy Utroms...basically, in a series that did a lot right, they simply fucked up one of my favorite parts of the Turtles universe, and that's always left a bad taste in my mouth.
Well this game is very good except it pissed me off trying to beat the first act on hard and I eventually gave up and just did it on normal. I suck as Raphael and I always have and you can't call for another turtle to help out or heal you in the first mission. I kept getting up to the motorcycles and dying until I switched it to normal. Either way, I would never have been able to beat the boss. I'm not skilled enough at the game yet. So yeah, hard mode is hard and I'm happy it is. This game is totally awesome though and I'm glad I picked it up.
The problem is that you're thinking of the most logical way to attack the bike riders. Jump kicking is only going to get you hurt. When a bike approaches you, stand your ground and tap the attack button. For some reason, you won't get crushed by the bike, and you'll kill the rider in two or three hits.
Well this game is very good except it pissed me off trying to beat the first act on hard and I eventually gave up and just did it on normal. I suck as Raphael and I always have and you can't call for another turtle to help out or heal you in the first mission. I kept getting up to the motorcycles and dying until I switched it to normal. Either way, I would never have been able to beat the boss. I'm not skilled enough at the game yet. So yeah, hard mode is hard and I'm happy it is. This game is totally awesome though and I'm glad I picked it up.
The problem is that you're thinking of the most logical way to attack the bike riders. Jump kicking is only going to get you hurt. When a bike approaches you, stand your ground and tap the attack button. For some reason, you won't get crushed by the bike, and you'll kill the rider in two or three hits.
Damn my logic! I tried that a few times and I just kept dying. I noticed it's also nearly suicide to attack them if they're doing a wheelie. The best way I found was actually to take a metal pipe or bat or something, jump, and throw the item at them. It seemed to knock them right off.
Also to the guys complaining about Shredder, I just watched the 3rd episode of the Ninja Tribunal arc and
Utrom Shredder is not the real Shredder. He's an impostor and the real Shredder was a demon that possessed Oroku Saki hundreds of years ago. They could change this though since I've only seen up to episode 3.
Well this game is very good except it pissed me off trying to beat the first act on hard and I eventually gave up and just did it on normal. I suck as Raphael and I always have and you can't call for another turtle to help out or heal you in the first mission. I kept getting up to the motorcycles and dying until I switched it to normal. Either way, I would never have been able to beat the boss. I'm not skilled enough at the game yet. So yeah, hard mode is hard and I'm happy it is. This game is totally awesome though and I'm glad I picked it up.
The problem is that you're thinking of the most logical way to attack the bike riders. Jump kicking is only going to get you hurt. When a bike approaches you, stand your ground and tap the attack button. For some reason, you won't get crushed by the bike, and you'll kill the rider in two or three hits.
Damn my logic! I tried that a few times and I just kept dying. I noticed it's also nearly suicide to attack them if they're doing a wheelie. The best way I found was actually to take a metal pipe or bat or something, jump, and throw the item at them. It seemed to knock them right off.
Also to the guys complaining about Shredder, I just watched the 3rd episode of the Ninja Tribunal arc and
Utrom Shredder is not the real Shredder. He's an impostor and the real Shredder was a demon that possessed Oroku Saki hundreds of years ago. They could change this though since I've only seen up to episode 3.
Eh, I suppose that's a bit better, but I always liked the human element in the original comic, I guess. I'm just being picky, I realize.
Well this game is very good except it pissed me off trying to beat the first act on hard and I eventually gave up and just did it on normal. I suck as Raphael and I always have and you can't call for another turtle to help out or heal you in the first mission. I kept getting up to the motorcycles and dying until I switched it to normal. Either way, I would never have been able to beat the boss. I'm not skilled enough at the game yet. So yeah, hard mode is hard and I'm happy it is. This game is totally awesome though and I'm glad I picked it up.
The problem is that you're thinking of the most logical way to attack the bike riders. Jump kicking is only going to get you hurt. When a bike approaches you, stand your ground and tap the attack button. For some reason, you won't get crushed by the bike, and you'll kill the rider in two or three hits.
I just did a head stomp (jump, and then hit the jump button again). If you make a running jump, you'll be too high for the bike to hit you.
Well this game is very good except it pissed me off trying to beat the first act on hard and I eventually gave up and just did it on normal. I suck as Raphael and I always have and you can't call for another turtle to help out or heal you in the first mission. I kept getting up to the motorcycles and dying until I switched it to normal. Either way, I would never have been able to beat the boss. I'm not skilled enough at the game yet. So yeah, hard mode is hard and I'm happy it is. This game is totally awesome though and I'm glad I picked it up.
The problem is that you're thinking of the most logical way to attack the bike riders. Jump kicking is only going to get you hurt. When a bike approaches you, stand your ground and tap the attack button. For some reason, you won't get crushed by the bike, and you'll kill the rider in two or three hits.
I just did a head stomp (jump, and then hit the jump button again). If you make a running jump, you'll be too high for the bike to hit you.
For the biker guys, I took out a parking meter and used the steel pipe. Stand your ground, whack the bike with the steel pipe and he goes down in one hit.
OK, how the hell do you take down the little red fire-breathing fucker? I can't even damage him.
Is there a fridge you can use?
I see a fire extinguisher but it's just off-screen and i can't reach it. No fridge tho.
I think that was a reference to the actual movie.
Anyway, when he inflates himself to start breathing fire, run up and kick him. He'll deflate around the room and smack headfirst into the ground, damaging himself.
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I still can't believe they had her in a pool of blood. That was really brave of Disney.
The best part was the payoff with Goliath going ape shit and destroying that gang hideout and wanting to kill the leader.
So I got the game.
It is like Double Dragon, Final Fight, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the Arcade Game got together and had a 3-way love baby.
Also, it isn't stupid easy, which I appreciate... at the same time the enemy AI isn't cheap bullshit, if they get you, you screwed up. I actually got a game over on the first level, hot damn!
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It really all comes down to creators want to do something compelling, while networks and toy companies want to sell it to children. I imagine E&L wanted the TMNT cartoon to mirror their creation, but they had a hard time juggling that and large sacks with dollar signs on them.
Cartoon fact:
No one in Spider-Man was allowed to throw punches, but kicks and headbutts are A-OK! I wonder if there will ever be a cartoon awesome enough to cover Spider-Man: The Other.
EDIT:
Was shredder always an alien in a suit? Wasn't he just a super-ninja in the E&L comics?
Woah. Is that episode YouTube'd, by chance?
You have no idea how badly that pissed me off.
Over a decade's worth of great backstory for the character of Oroko Saki, completely flushed down the shitter.
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Me and an Ex are going to see it Saturday.
I was a bit worried that it was going to be a stinker at first.
But HOLEE SHIT NOW I'M PSYCHED.
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Awesome.
Too bad he's a stupid alien.
i thought that this new Ultrom shredder came in after Oroko Saki died.
Whoa, whoa, hold it. Did you ever see the Gotham Knights episodes? Aside from a couple of gems (in one great episode, Robin finds the girl of his dreams, only to discover that she has a terrible secret), it was a big step down for the Batman animated series. I still have nightmares about Critters, the awful love child of The Island of Dr. Moreau and The Beverly Hillbillies.
Batman Beyond was pretty awesome though, I'll give you that.
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I'd just like to point out that my favorite bit of "WTF" that came out of the new series was Baxter Stockman's problem with losing body parts.
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Yeah, Gotham Knights was a conundrum. It had some of my favorite episodes from the entire series (the one you mention, and the one where Batgirl dies) and yet some of the very worst also. And regarding Batman Beyond, I picked up the third season set today. Now I can bathe in the glory of the full series whenever I want.
On topic, I also picked up the GBA TMNT game. I haven't even turned it on yet, but here's to hoping it's good.
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But seriously, I'd love to have something like that for my NES.
EDIT: Found one for the style 2, which is what I have.
http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/nes2avmod.htm
Heh, the only kind of "hack" that is would be a y-cable making the mono output of the NES stereo...well, making it come out of both of the speakers on my TV anyway.
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Not as far as I know; they even changed the full backstory behind Yoshii vs. the Oroko clan, and instead turned it into Yoshii being some kind of agent for the good-guy Utroms...basically, in a series that did a lot right, they simply fucked up one of my favorite parts of the Turtles universe, and that's always left a bad taste in my mouth.
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The problem is that you're thinking of the most logical way to attack the bike riders. Jump kicking is only going to get you hurt. When a bike approaches you, stand your ground and tap the attack button. For some reason, you won't get crushed by the bike, and you'll kill the rider in two or three hits.
Same old site, great new look! Check out The Gameroom Blitz at:
http://www.lakupo.com/grblitz
Damn my logic! I tried that a few times and I just kept dying. I noticed it's also nearly suicide to attack them if they're doing a wheelie. The best way I found was actually to take a metal pipe or bat or something, jump, and throw the item at them. It seemed to knock them right off.
Also to the guys complaining about Shredder, I just watched the 3rd episode of the Ninja Tribunal arc and
Eh, I suppose that's a bit better, but I always liked the human element in the original comic, I guess. I'm just being picky, I realize.
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I just did a head stomp (jump, and then hit the jump button again). If you make a running jump, you'll be too high for the bike to hit you.
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Holy shit, that reminds me, I have a GBA Player somewhere, now I'm really pissed my copy didnt turn up today!
I Like the third movie, and actually so does my cousin...
And now I'm ashamed...
Why do you guys hate it so much?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z02d9e4vvT0
Is there a fridge you can use?
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why this game rocks.
I see a fire extinguisher but it's just off-screen and i can't reach it. No fridge tho.
For the biker guys, I took out a parking meter and used the steel pipe. Stand your ground, whack the bike with the steel pipe and he goes down in one hit.
I think that was a reference to the actual movie.
Anyway, when he inflates himself to start breathing fire, run up and kick him. He'll deflate around the room and smack headfirst into the ground, damaging himself.
Ugh.
This TMNT DS game is absolute dog shit.