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Cyberpunk 2077 - It Can't Get Darker Than Night City, Right?

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Here's hoping they get some input from the community instead of just assuming they know how to do it right

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  • Jeep-EepJeep-Eep Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Here's hoping they get some input from the community instead of just assuming they know how to do it right

    In the meantime...

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  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Toronto, ONRegistered User regular
    If they can do -- errr

    Warframe Spoilers, of all things?
    what Warframe did, and let me use the technically masculine options to create an androgynous character who uses the technically female VO options... yeah. hell yeah. Or, like, make a super femme character who uses the male VO. Or any combo thereof. Which you can do in Warframe, 'least after you get to Neptune.

    like, listen. Game companies are Lorge. Especially ones like CDPR. And in this case, they've got Mike Pondsmith breathing down their necks, AND now Keanu Reeves, and both of them have a pretty decent track record with trans folks (MP altered the rules for CP2020's 2005 edition in a way that made it wayyy easier to get gender confirmation surgery; Keanu Reeves has been working mostly with a pair of transgender women for... uh... well, as long as he's been working with the Wachowski Sisters now). So if public outrage doesn't do it, Keanu giving them sad puppy eyes might? Or threatening to walk if they don't shape the fuck up.

    The point is, that a game company isn't one dumbass, it's a whole fuckton of people, who often have dissenting opinions. I have cautious (very cautious, but) optimism here.

    (And, again: I'm a nonbinary/agender/genderqueer/uhhhh gender?? i hardly know 'er! asexual bir--- I'm fucking queer okay, I don't need to give you receipts. And while I ABSOLUTELY do not speak for every queer person ever, I can at least speak for *me*, and what I have is cautious optimism.)

    Before you mentioned that, as I was reading the sentence, (before the transgender part) I thought you were referring to Ruby Rose (who identifies as genderfluid) and Asia Kate Dillon (AFAB identifying as non-binary) for the John Wick franchise.

    And now that you mention the Wachowskis, I wish they got him for a cameo in Sens8, which ended far too soon.

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  • BasilBasil Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    So if I shoot a civilian who isn't wearing an armored wig or toting subdermal weave in the skull, do they die?

    I'm trying to place my bullet sponge expectations. Where are we on the scale of Batman or Jensen crippling everyone they meet for life and single-handedly ensuring the existence of private medical care for decades to come and like, all those ubisoft games about murdering coke barons?

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    Cyberpunk 2077's in-game context doesn't matter if its marketing contributes to transphobia right now, argues Rock Paper Shotgun. Similarly (but even more strongly) see this twitter thread, which is written a little virulently but is still quite clear about the point it's making (which I think I agree with).

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Render of the leader of The Animals gang
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    Some rad character design in this game.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    And here is one more relevant twitter thread which is a followup to the RPS article which helps clarify some stuff.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Cyberpunk 2077's in-game context doesn't matter if its marketing contributes to transphobia right now, argues Rock Paper Shotgun. Similarly (but even more strongly) see this twitter thread, which is written a little virulently but is still quite clear about the point it's making (which I think I agree with).

    Foiled by the ad blocker.

    Sorry RPS, no clicks for you.

  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    They turn off the ads for supporters!

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Here's hoping they get some input from the community instead of just assuming they know how to do it right

    Odds are it'll be the increasingly common option of just detaching gender associations to any appearance/hairstyle and instead just letting you toolbox everything then pick pronouns at the end.

    Which I dig a lot.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    How dare a company want to have a revenue stream with which to pay its writers and contributors. The nerve of some people.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    How dare a company want to have a revenue stream with which to pay its writers and contributors. The nerve of some people.

    They can if they want.

    And I can simply just not browse their site if I want.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Of course!

    Indignantly stating that's that what you're doing in this thread serves zero purpose and is kinda weird.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    3clipse wrote: »
    Of course!

    Indignantly stating that's that what you're doing in this thread serves zero purpose and is kinda weird.

    Same with you telling me how ads on the internet work.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Admittedly off the topic, but I feel like this is a pretty good microcosm of the advertising revenue dilemma that's particularly pronounced in gaming and internet influence culture.

    Like how pretty much every gaming-related or gaming-adjacent podcast I've ever subscribed to has had at least one episode, if not multiple, where they talk about much they hate advertisements, and how much cable television sucked or web ads suck, and how intolerable they are....and then take a five-minute break to read an advertisement on behalf of their sponsor.

    Obviously they need revenue. But it's a little awkward when there's little or no break between those two trains of thought.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Admittedly off the topic, but I feel like this is a pretty good microcosm of the advertising revenue dilemma that's particularly pronounced in gaming and internet influence culture.

    Like how pretty much every gaming-related or gaming-adjacent podcast I've ever subscribed to has had at least one episode, if not multiple, where they talk about much they hate advertisements, and how much cable television sucked or web ads suck, and how intolerable they are....and then take a five-minute break to read an advertisement on behalf of their sponsor.

    Obviously they need revenue. But it's a little awkward when there's little or no break between those two trains of thought.

    I've seen legit websites pass along cryptolocker through their ad spaces to their customers.

    Internet ads are horrifically underlegislated and I keep HTTPS Everywhere and Ad Blocker up. If a site wants me to disable Ad Blocker, then that site doesn't get visited unless I know for sure it's advertising is locked down (Like a Google site).

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Cyberpunk 2077's in-game context doesn't matter if its marketing contributes to transphobia right now, argues Rock Paper Shotgun. Similarly (but even more strongly) see this twitter thread, which is written a little virulently but is still quite clear about the point it's making (which I think I agree with).

    Solid closing paragraph, too.

    "If you’re excited for Cyberpunk 2077 regardless – and I know full well it’s going to sell millions of copies – please know I’m not here to tell you not to buy the game or to stop enjoying it. I am asking instead if you could please engage with this issue, in Cyberpunk 2077 and beyond. There are groups of people who need your support, who could use your amplification of their voices and whose lives you could help change. You wanna fight an actual dystopian future? Well, that’s how."

    What is this I don't even.
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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Admittedly off the topic, but I feel like this is a pretty good microcosm of the advertising revenue dilemma that's particularly pronounced in gaming and internet influence culture.

    Like how pretty much every gaming-related or gaming-adjacent podcast I've ever subscribed to has had at least one episode, if not multiple, where they talk about much they hate advertisements, and how much cable television sucked or web ads suck, and how intolerable they are....and then take a five-minute break to read an advertisement on behalf of their sponsor.

    Obviously they need revenue. But it's a little awkward when there's little or no break between those two trains of thought.

    I've seen legit websites pass along cryptolocker through their ad spaces to their customers.

    Internet ads are horrifically underlegislated and I keep HTTPS Everywhere and Ad Blocker up. If a site wants me to disable Ad Blocker, then that site doesn't get visited unless I know for sure it's advertising is locked down (Like a Google site).

    Yeah, the issue is that ads are both horrifically obnoxious online and just dangerous.

    If I knew the worst thing would be a 5 sec ad page before an article, I wouldn't block stuff. Instead I get autoplay videos with sound popping up over the content, full screen distorts, and possible infections. So block by default.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Online ads is one of very few issues where both sides of it are 100% correct (excluding advertisers, who are the reason it's so fraught in the first place) and there's genuinely not a solution that doesn't fuck over one of the parties. So that's fun.

    If advertisers could keep their dicks in their goddamn pants none of this would have to happen!

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    Not the topic of the thread

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    With HTTPS Everywhere and uBlock Origin I have no problem browsing RPS, it works just fine. Frankly I think it's one of the better game sites to go to for good writing.

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  • lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    No crunch according to Marcin Iwiński.
    Jason: If I’m a designer at CD Projekt Red and I say you know what I have kids, I have a family, I’m going to work from 10am to 6pm every day, and that’s it. Even until the very end. Am I going to be okay with that?

    Iwiński: Yes. Yes.

    Jason: No matter what.

    Iwiński: Yes.

    Jason: So you can commit to that?

    Iwiński: We’ve committed to that already.

    Jason: That’s good to hear, because oftentimes it feels like there’s these social pressures and subtle pressures—

    Iwiński: We can never be 200% sure that there won’t be some pressure, but it’s actually our management’s work to make sure people are OK with that, and I think I’d like people to tell other people within the company that that’s OK, because that’s when we are successful when introducing it. But so far so good.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    I guess I'm always wary of this stuff because so many companies go "well we're not FORCING anyone to crunch [just making it clear that if they work less than a 14 hour day they'll be let go]," but publicly committing like that is at least a good sign.

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    I’d be more suspicious if dude tried to tell us “Yup, problem’s all solved, definitively no crunch whatsoever.”

    Honestly, it doesn’t really matter to me what an executive says beyond the simple boilerplate framing of crunch as bad rather than a noble thing that industry outsiders can’t really understand. I’ll wait for reporters to confirm the actual situation on the ground as release nears.

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    More rad character designs..
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  • Romantic UndeadRomantic Undead Registered User regular
    Didn't see this linked:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8lnrAqH0mk&t=1004s

    Mike P seems super chill and cool and stuff.

    I did want to note that they do talk about the Vodoo boys mission that's in the E3 Demo. To hear MP tell it, it sounds like V is sent in on behalf of a member of the gang, who then acts as his/her handler for the mission, to root out some fuckery going on within. That sounds to me like, hopefully, not all Vodoo boys are presented as a generic ethnic bad guys, but instead are a street gang, who yes, are choosing to represent themselves using ethnic symbology, dealing with some inner strife that V gets hired to sort out. I expect that that means that while yes, we'll be asked to gun down some NPCs representing ethnic Haitians, some members of that group appear to be cool too, depending on whatever sides are available to the player to choose.

    Also, if the art above is any indiciation, the Animals are not all Black, nor even all male.

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Yep, the animals leader is the first of the character models I posted further up on the page.

  • QuiotuQuiotu Registered User regular
    Kinda hoping the leader of The Animals is simply called The Alpha.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
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    Quiotu wrote: »
    Kinda hoping the leader of The Animals is simply called The Alpha.

    I'm already angry thinking about that possibility.

  • ED!ED! Registered User regular
    You can see The Animal leader getting whopped on in the "gameplay" trailer that came after the cinematic trailer. They're also described in the gameplay demo that's going to drop at PAX.

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    As the Cyberpunk E3 jackets reach absurd prices on eBay...



    I wonder what "similar" means. No word on price yet, but a lot less!



    Rafal Jaki is business development chief at CD Projekt Red.

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  • The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard It's never lupines Irvine, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    As the Cyberpunk E3 jackets reach absurd prices on eBay...



    I wonder what "similar" means. No word on price yet, but a lot less!



    Rafal Jaki is business development chief at CD Projekt Red.

    I've already had people trying to buy mine off me.

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    As the Cyberpunk E3 jackets reach absurd prices on eBay...



    I wonder what "similar" means. No word on price yet, but a lot less!



    Rafal Jaki is business development chief at CD Projekt Red.

    I've already had people trying to buy mine off me.

    I don't doubt it for a second.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Okay, I know this is off-topic, but there's not an unlocked Witcher thread and this is really bugging me.

    Witchers carry two swords -- a steel one for non-magic beasts and a silver one for magic beasts.

    Why don't they just use the silver one all the time? It's not as if being non-magic will make a silver sword hurt any less.

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Monsters don't have armor, or really if they did their vulnerability/allergy makes it better than steel.

    Steel is better for fighting other humans due the weapons being used. When was the last time you heard of a medieval knight with a silver weapon?

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  • m!ttensm!ttens he/himRegistered User regular
    That's because you need the steel sword to kill monsters.
    Man is the real monster.

    Besides the Rule of Cool™, I think it's because it's probably harder to keep a silver sword honed since it's a pretty soft metal.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Monsters don't have armor, or really if they did their vulnerability/allergy makes it better than steel.

    Steel is better for fighting other humans due the weapons being used. When was the last time you heard of a medieval knight with a silver weapon?

    I dunno, some monsters like dragons and stuff have really tough armor.

    I suspect the author did that because it sounded cool.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    Firstly it's cool. Secondly, silver is a soft metal and would be shite against armored humans or shields. Silver can slice through magical shields and such.

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  • AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    Yeah basically what everyone has said.

    In Western Folklore silver is a very common weapon against things that go bump in the night. Why? I've no idea and will probably do research after this.

    So in the Witcher's world (largely based on folklore) most (if not all?) monsters have deathly reactions to silver.

    The silver sword is the Witcher's money maker, they want to keep it in prime condition. In the game you of course kill tons of monsters all the time, but in-universe Witcher's aren't really doing that. For a lot of Witchers it could easily be weeks or even months between monster killings. The regular steel sword is for self defense against humans who in theory they shouldn't be killing too many of but are a far more common and likely threat.

    But also Rule of Cool.

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  • SoundsPlushSoundsPlush yup, back. Registered User regular
    Like people said, silver is soft and only needed for some monsters with a vulnerability to it, while others monsters are weak to meteor steel, and then he can also use steel to fight people and beasts the rest of the time.

    The games made it just silver for all monsters and steel for men/beasts out of gameplay convenience.

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