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  • TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    The cost and hassle of upgrading a system that has been in place for years is often more bother than anyone can be arsed with. In the long run it's a mistake, but it's hard to convince people it needs to be done.

    My employer is currently engaged in an upgrade of our core application.

    For about two years myself and others have been telling anyone that is is worth saying it to that it is a mistake to pay millions of pounds for a monolithic system that does everything, when it would be far more efficient without losing any functionality to use various off-the-shelf systems for common tasks (document management, client contact records, automated letter generation, etc.) and keep the custom built stuff to a minimum. This also means that if the requirements change in a few years time (and they will) we stand half a chance of being able to upgrade without going through this whole incredibly expensive process all over again.

    Guess what we're getting.

    NOT INVENTED HERE

    It does seem (after talking to the people that actually know the system) that it is basically a scriptable front end to a huge general purpose database, so it may be more flexible than the old system, but we'll see.

    Certainly when they did the trial implementation they seemed to be able to make some pretty dramatic changes pretty quickly so I'm maybe being a little melodramatic. Still, it would be nice not to be basically running the business of a billion disconnected excel sheets intended to work around the deficiencies of the software and/or capture information that it was never designed for.

    The other week we basically ground to a halt because one of the SANs that appears as a company wide network drive filled up, and IT's response was "That's for non-critical information, you just need to delete old files to make some room", and it rapidly emerged that firstly: IT do not appear to have told anyone at any point that this was solely for non-critical information, and secondly: because it wasn't clear who was responsible for what there was really no way to differentiate the critical from the non-critical anyway.

    beware flaky front end scripting that actually does everything, particularly if the people developing the trial are not also going to maintain it

    Models are supposed to be skinny duh!

    FC: 1993-7778-8872 PSN: TehSloth Xbox: SlothTeh
    twitch.tv/tehsloth
  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    Well I didn't meet the minimum qualifications for one of the jobs I applied to this weekend, somehow five years of college and graduate school mean I have no idea how to word process.

    With my English degree.

    And my writing degree.

    I would be at a loss.

    With a word processor.

    :rotate:

    The upshot of that is I don't have to go over to the coast and take a typing test so whatevs.

    Still waiting on the other two and looking for moar.

    My manager at wal-mart in 2009 had an english degree, and that seems like a great job. As I understand it you end up clearing nearly 75% of minimum wage as a salaried retail manager

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    AMFE I guess you should have gotten a computer science degree if you wanted to be a writer then, HUH??!

    SarksusAManFromEarth
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    i feel like most of my friends who do what i want to do enjoy their jobs- some of them hate corporate culture (if that's where they work), or incompetent coworkers or whatever. but they almost all enjoy high pay, rarely are asked to work insane hours (if ever), don't have to do physically trying labor, and they're often intellectually challenged by their work. and the ones who went with startups or high end firms often have very smart employees they enjoy.

    i am p sure i will like my career, even if it takes me a move or two to end up somewhere with non-shitty coworkers.

    I will hire you to work on the sequel to my game. the pay will be good but you're required to show up at PAX cosplaying as characters I've written.

  • STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    What the fuck are they thinking that you need a Ph.D to fix computers?

  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Wot I'm listening to right now



    I don’t see how you can hate from outside of the club

    Eddy on
    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • VanguardVanguard A wretched country of duskRegistered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    If I made 6000 more dollars I would be happy.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    I have an associates degree in computer fixing and my inbox is full of job offers for meager wages to fix computers

    Edit: one of them last week actually said "Education: AAS or equivilent experience; Maximum education: Bachelors or equivalent experience"

    I'd never seen a maximum education before

    override367 on
  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    What the fuck are they thinking that you need a Ph.D to fix computers?

    who knows

    fuck gendered marketing
  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    When I was a senior in college I went to career fair and went to the Microsoft desk. I asked what kind of things Microsoft did, jokingly pretending that I had never heard of Microsoft before. The guy glared at me with the anger of a thousand suns, and told me that I must be very ignorant that I had managed to go my entire life without hearing about Microsoft. Then he explained that Microsoft made Windows, not that I'd know what that is because I'm obviously not a computer person.

  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    What the fuck are they thinking that you need a Ph.D to fix computers?

    A PhD would probably be to your detriment.

  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    What the fuck are they thinking that you need a Ph.D to fix computers?

    Qualification inflation.

    If the employer knows they're going to get several hundred applications they'll make the requirements absurd just to whittle them down a bit.

  • VanguardVanguard A wretched country of duskRegistered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I want a PhD from NYU for comparative French literature.

    I do not speak French.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    A PHD for fixing computers is basically saying you don't want to fill the position because you can't even get a four year degree in fixing computers outside of places like DeVry

    Elldren
  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    I love when people claim that the Libertarian Party is the fastest growing party.

  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    When I was a senior in college I went to career fair and went to the Microsoft desk. I asked what kind of things Microsoft did, jokingly pretending that I had never heard of Microsoft before. The guy glared at me with the anger of a thousand suns, and told me that I must be very ignorant that I had managed to go my entire life without hearing about Microsoft. Then he explained that Microsoft made Windows, not that I'd know what that is because I'm obviously not a computer person.

    This is my approach with doorstep evangelisers.

    "Isn't it pronounced 'Hay-Zoos'?"

  • VanguardVanguard A wretched country of duskRegistered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    hay zoos day la cruise

  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    i'd never even really touched computer hardware before and now i have a job where i change the configs of various donated computers (by stripping and installing RAM, hard drives, optical drives, etc and then by imaging new OS's) for hours a day. the pay is minimum wage.

  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    He might even run for President in 2016. Though he was born in Canada, he informed me that he was qualified to serve. “The Constitution requires that one be a natural-born citizen,” he said, “and my mother was a U.S. citizen when I was born.”

  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    I love when people claim that the Libertarian Party is the fastest growing party.

    the RiemannLives for supreme overlord for life party has grown an amazing 100% in the last 5 minutes.

    DEFUND THE POLICE
  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    What the fuck are they thinking that you need a Ph.D to fix computers?

    Qualification inflation.

    If the employer knows they're going to get several hundred applications they'll make the requirements absurd just to whittle them down a bit.

    It is a sin

    I curse all those who do such. May their sons never call on weekends and their daughters never love them. *spits*

    fuck gendered marketing
    JacobkoshShivahn
  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    A PHD for fixing computers is basically saying you don't want to fill the position because you can't even get a four year degree in fixing computers outside of places like DeVry

    Standard government trick. The HR Dept for the job knows who they want/have been told to hire. They basically give the applicant the inside scoop on how to apply. They certify the ringer and 9 others, interview them all, DQ the rest on bullshit requirements, and it all looks legal.

  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    I love when people claim that the Libertarian Party is the fastest growing party.

    You should start a political party, convince three friends to join it, then immediately issue a press release to the effect that in the days following the election your membersip has quadrupled.

  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    I love when people claim that the Libertarian Party is the fastest growing party.

    the RiemannLives for supreme overlord for life party has grown an amazing 100% in the last 5 minutes.

    200%

    fuck gendered marketing
  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    i feel like most of my friends who do what i want to do enjoy their jobs- some of them hate corporate culture (if that's where they work), or incompetent coworkers or whatever. but they almost all enjoy high pay, rarely are asked to work insane hours (if ever), don't have to do physically trying labor, and they're often intellectually challenged by their work. and the ones who went with startups or high end firms often have very smart employees they enjoy.

    i am p sure i will like my career, even if it takes me a move or two to end up somewhere with non-shitty coworkers.

    I will hire you to work on the sequel to my game. the pay will be good but you're required to show up at PAX cosplaying as characters I've written.

    one-eyed pirate, one-eyed ninja, one-eyed vampire...

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    When I was a senior in college I went to career fair and went to the Microsoft desk. I asked what kind of things Microsoft did, jokingly pretending that I had never heard of Microsoft before. The guy glared at me with the anger of a thousand suns, and told me that I must be very ignorant that I had managed to go my entire life without hearing about Microsoft. Then he explained that Microsoft made Windows, not that I'd know what that is because I'm obviously not a computer person.

    you make windows? oh sorry, i'm not interested in a glass company

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    AManFromEarth
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Well I didn't meet the minimum qualifications for one of the jobs I applied to this weekend, somehow five years of college and graduate school mean I have no idea how to word process.

    With my English degree.

    And my writing degree.

    I would be at a loss.

    With a word processor.

    :rotate:

    The upshot of that is I don't have to go over to the coast and take a typing test so whatevs.

    Still waiting on the other two and looking for moar.

    Look man writing words is not the same as processing them.

    VanguardAManFromEarth
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I love when people claim that the Libertarian Party is the fastest growing party.

    It's like when people say Klingon is the fastest growing language.

    They're dumbasses, you see.

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  • VanguardVanguard A wretched country of duskRegistered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2012
    spool32 wrote: »
    Well I didn't meet the minimum qualifications for one of the jobs I applied to this weekend, somehow five years of college and graduate school mean I have no idea how to word process.

    With my English degree.

    And my writing degree.

    I would be at a loss.

    With a word processor.

    :rotate:

    The upshot of that is I don't have to go over to the coast and take a typing test so whatevs.

    Still waiting on the other two and looking for moar.

    Look man writing words is not the same as processing them.

    To be fair, if that post is any indication, AMFE doesn't know that you never begin sentences with "and" or that periods are not for pauses.

    I certainly wouldn't hire him.

    Vanguard on
    AManFromEarthspool32
  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    He might even run for President in 2016. Though he was born in Canada, he informed me that he was qualified to serve. “The Constitution requires that one be a natural-born citizen,” he said, “and my mother was a U.S. citizen when I was born.”

    Well duh

    what is that from?

    fuck gendered marketing
  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Libertarians ARE the fastest growing party. Doritos and Mt. Dew see to that

  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    A PHD for fixing computers is basically saying you don't want to fill the position because you can't even get a four year degree in fixing computers outside of places like DeVry

    i went to a transfer fair at my community college last week and devry was represented. i was kind of bored so i went and talked to the guy. i basically pretended i didn't know devry's reputation and explained that i wanted a CS program with lots of programming and math and i was also considering a math double major.

    to my surprise he actually went "you'd be better off looking at one of the more academically focused institutions if you have any theoretical interest or wish to learn about math. we're more of a vocational school for people trying to get any tech-related employment shortly after graduation"

    i don't know if the numbers he cited for placement were accurate but he did at least try to not sell me a total line of shit haha. i was surprised and mildly pleased.

  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    There's this piano/8bit/amazingly voiced cover of Video Games done by Amanda Palmer but I feel like it appeals to literally no one other than me

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    i turn 25 tomorrow

  • VanguardVanguard A wretched country of duskRegistered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    i thought you were older than me chu

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    He might even run for President in 2016. Though he was born in Canada, he informed me that he was qualified to serve. “The Constitution requires that one be a natural-born citizen,” he said, “and my mother was a U.S. citizen when I was born.”

    Bieber presidential fever?

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    i turn 25 tomorrow

    damn you're old

  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
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    Delmain
  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    i thought you were older than me chu

    meh. i dropped out of college when my mom died 6 years ago, so i guess i might seem like i've been 'in the work force' for a while. but really it's just because i didn't finish school.

    maybe i sound older because i've eaten so many buttholes.

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