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I suck at talking

VivaVizerVivaVizer Registered User regular
edited November 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
Seem to have issues trying to talk for 30 seconds at times and I'm not really sure why. I can do carefully prepared speeches with a long period of practice, but holy fuck do I get tongue tied in other situations.

My biggest concern is that in the future, I might have to present something to a manager and I'll come off as angry and unbalanced. Because when I get tongue tied, I also get flustered and angry at myself which tends to make everything worse.

Generally not an issue when dicking around with friends but have a real issue whenever I feel I need to present something and be professional.

Maybe the issue is nerves. Not really sure.

But I need to stop it. Any tips?

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  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    I'd agree with nerves. When you're nervous you have a tendency to speak more quickly, and when you speak quickly you're much more likely to get tongue tied.

    My recommendation would be to focus on slowing down while you're talking. I do that too and it feels like I'm talking slowly enough that people would find it strange, but when I compare it to how people talk normally I'm really not. If you have doubts about it try recording yourself doing it and see how it sounds on playback.

    Do your best not to worry too much about making mistakes. If it's a small mistake just ignore it and move on. If it's significant enough that whoever you're talking to might have trouble understanding what you meant, pause for a brief moment and say something like "I mean [word]" or "[word], rather" or whatever.

    It'll probably take some practice; I still frequently forget to do it. However, when you get used to it you should have a much easier time in those situations.

  • DeadfallDeadfall I don't think you realize just how rich he is. In fact, I should put on a monocle.Registered User regular
    Are you able to take a public speaking class at a community college? I get flustered too but that class helped immensely.

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  • VivaVizerVivaVizer Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    I actually took a class like that and did a speech contest. But I practiced the crap out of that speech and planned out seemingly natural comments and quips long in advance. I think I got $50 from it which seems like a win to me.

    Going to try to chill not get as flustered and slowing down. Any other tips?

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    The more you can put yourself in that situation, the better. Speech classes/improv/debate are sort of the classic academia ways to go about it, but if those didn't work for you, you may need a low pressure but more "real" situation to replicate your normal nervousness. How flustered/tongue tied are we talking? Do you start stuttering? Does your anger towards yourself cause you to have to stop talking?

    Slowing down always helps me, also preparing beforehand for professional situations to alive nervousness is totally normal.

  • VivaVizerVivaVizer Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Well, I have stuttered and occasionally yelled "Fuck" a bit louder than I should (definitely not very professional).

    Generally though, I decide it is easier to just stop talking for a second or two and reset.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Stopping and thinking is not the worse thing. Talking slower in general is a way to give your mind time to filter ahead. I have the most trouble when I am presenting to a crowd and I'm the only one talking.

    Assuming this is more about professional situations and not casual small talk with managers, I recommend writing more things down and having notes for yourself on certain topics that you know you'll have to report in on or whatever it is.

    Usually its a disorganization of thought getting in the way, or a surprise question that makes me start to falter. If someone throws something at me, I learned to actually say "hold on, let me think" instead of jumping in and having to back track. You may think the silence is damning, but its better to give yourself 20seconds than to talk in circles. I can also slow myself by focusing on mannerisms (for instance, not saying like) as practice. I usually play with these when talking in casual, but intellectual conversation with a friend.

  • Gilbert0Gilbert0 North of SeattleRegistered User regular
    You could do some public speaking clubs around you. Probably the biggest is Toastmasters. Quick thing from their website.
    A Toastmasters meeting is a learn-by-doing workshop in which participants hone their speaking and leadership skills in a no-pressure atmosphere.

    There is no instructor in a Toastmasters meeting. Instead, members evaluate one another’s presentations. This feedback process is a key part of the program’s success.

    Meeting participants also give impromptu talks on assigned topics, conduct meetings and develop skills related to timekeeping, grammar and parliamentary procedure.

    Any sized city should have a bunch of different clubs that meet at different times.

  • VivaVizerVivaVizer Registered User regular
    Oh, that's very interesting.

  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    I've had some friends use ToastMasters meetings to help them with public speaking. Is that the thing you're having problems with? Because it sounded more like you had issues with having to give a quick talk on the fly to a superior, which is different then having prepared or somewhat prepared talking points you'd have in a presentation situation.

    For the on-the-fly situation take a few seconds to outline what you're going to say. If you need to jot down a 3-4 point list to help keep you focused on message. And practice. It gets easier. Personally I prefer to stand, or pace a little, and I like to have my hands occupied, but these may just be personal tics.

  • VivaVizerVivaVizer Registered User regular
    Well, I have an outline of what I want to talk about. But the words that come out of my mouth are a mess. I think when I did the speech class, I did better because I wrote out each word that I wanted to say and more or less memorized it.

    I might not always follow it word for word but I'd at least have some to fall back on.

  • Gilbert0Gilbert0 North of SeattleRegistered User regular
    My work had our entire team go through toastmasters and it basically helped with more than just prepared speeches. It helps with critical thinking, responding to questions on the fly (ever get asked questions in a meeting and kinda responded flat? I have and this helped for me) as well as the more prepared stuff.

    Biggest couple of my hangups that others noticed, is that I tried to fill the "dead air". You fill things with "likes, umms, annnnds," which makes it should more informal. Having a little bit of a pause is OK. In fact, it's probably better as pauses can be used to create an impact.

    As a guest or first timer, there isn't a cost, maybe even a couple times, but if you joined a group, you're looking at $75 +dues for attending ($2-3 a time). Depends on the group and how they organize the fees. But you get formal work books for organizing your speech, making a point, body language, vocal variety, research, visual aids, etc. It's definitely worth an hour or two of your time for one visit.

  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    Even if you don't go to a group, do you have someone you can practice with? This helps me when I don't have a lot of confidence.

  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    In addition to ToastMasters, which sounds perfect for you...

    Practice with strangers. Strangers make great marks. Seriously. Just strike up a conversation with people you're near. The guy bagging your groceries. The check out clerk. A person next to you in line for coffee. These exchanges will probably only last 30 seconds tops, which fits your criteria, and since they are likely strangers you'll rarely see again, any awkwardness is a big who cares.

    You never know what a stranger will say when you ask, "Hey nice hat, where'd you get that?"

    It could be, "Cool, Target." Tough customer, but you can respond nicely. Or it could be, "Thanks, my mother gave it to me as a reminder of our trip to Spain!" Now we're cooking. "I've never been, how did you find Spain?"

    Either way, you'll be forced to think of things to say and adapt to changing conversation scenarios. Most importantly, I find people that are very outgoing with strangers tend to have little issues with nerves and public speaking. True, some people are freaked out by the LARGE crowds of public speaking, but in general if you're good with random folks and developing small talk, you'll be more calm talking clearly in other situations.

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  • RendRend Registered User regular
    Presenting is all about getting your point across in as understandable and short a way as possible. Nobody wants to listen to someone repeat themselves, but likewise, you have to make sure people get what you're saying.

    Don't think of these as "presentations" so much. Almost every presentation I've ever made or attended can be renamed an "explanation" or "ceremony." I'm guessing you are mostly talking about explanations here?

    A presentation is a very stifling word. You don't present stuff to your friends, when they are wrong and you are right, though, you are quick to explain why to them. That is what you are doing with your bosses, peers, coworkers, underlings, what have you. It's an explanation.

    Specific tips

    -Don't talk too fast. Keep yourself slow enough to be understood and try not to fluster.

    -If you do need to stop for a second, that's alright. In fact, if you feel weird about it, you can lampshade it with a "ablahblah- heh, maybe I had too much coffee this morning, eh? Let's try that again." This sort of genuine reaction to your own nervousness can really break an awkward situation. Remember to smile.

    -If you need to buy time or emphasize a point, repeat the sentence, but more slowly and with emphasis. Repeat the sentence, but more slowly and with emphasis. If you do it immediately like that, it doesn't sound like you're really repeating yourself, and it buys you a little time to think, not only because it takes longer, but because people expect a small pause after an emphasis like that.

    -If you're talking about something you already know about, there's no reason to be nervous, because they're not going to ask you something you don't know. And if they do, then since you know all about it, you can assume the question they asked would be reasonable for you not to know. So, be confident, and realize you can wade your way through the conversation successfully on the merit of your own competence.

    -Bring some water. This can also buy you time. You're not supposed to be talking while you're drinking.

    This all applies to presentations and such. As far as just being able to competently converse with a human, I cannot recommend Hewn's advice enough.

  • VivaVizerVivaVizer Registered User regular
    Rend wrote: »
    -If you need to buy time or emphasize a point, repeat the sentence, but more slowly and with emphasis. Repeat the sentence, but more slowly and with emphasis. If you do it immediately like that, it doesn't sound like you're really repeating yourself, and it buys you a little time to think, not only because it takes longer, but because people expect a small pause after an emphasis like that.

    Hmm, there's an idea.

    I guess if I think about it more, my problem is fundamentally that while I know what I want to talk about, I just seem to have issues planning it out on the fly.

    Like, I was thinking that I'll say "turn" but decided that word "curve" made more sense...but I was already started saying "turn" and ended up saying "turve".

    I believe that is why I had no problem with public speaking when it is a piece that I practiced a lot and went over what I was going to say and when.

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    the only thing that will ultimately help is practice. Whether you practice extemporaneously with friends, or or at toastmasters or similar, or by yourself in the shower doesn't matter too much.

    I would work on talking more slowly, though.

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  • ThePantsAssociationThePantsAssociation A million could-be years on a thousand may-be worldsRegistered User regular
    the only thing that will ultimately help is practice. Whether you practice extemporaneously with friends, or or at toastmasters or similar, or by yourself in the shower doesn't matter too much.

    Disclosure: I'm a member of Toastmasters. I disagree that speaking by yourself in the shower is just as effective. You'd need some significant imagination power to properly simulate speaking impromptu, in front of an audience, while minding your speech patterns - while by yourself in the shower. And you can't really give yourself an honest critique.

    Speaking around friends doesn't really reflect how you would talk in professional setting.

    I recommend Toastmasters or some other public speaking course/club.

  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    Honestly, just talk to people. A lot. If you work in a professional settings, just start setting up some Lunch & Learns. You'll suck to start with, but you'll get the hang of it after a while.

    Warning, schuss likes lists.

    Key things to remember:
    1. Energy! Keep yourself perky and the other people will pay attention.
    2. Purposeful movement - don't just wave your arms around like some agitated italian (please don't infract me!), make movements that coincide with your speaking. "so I opened the door" *opening motion*
    3. Eye contact - move between people in a conversation every 30 seconds or so. You don't want to skip around, but you want people to think you're just talking to them, as that makes them feel special. If you hate eye contact, just focus on the point between their eyes.
    4. Interest - keep it up. If you aren't interested in what the person is saying, find some interesting part and explore it. Ask questions.
    5. Simplicity - don't think off-message while you're talking, focus on the points you're trying to make. If you're thinking about dinner, you won't be able to stay focused enough to get your point across.
    6. Structure - If you have to present to management, follow these rules to start -
    A. Problem statement - what's going on? Timmy has fallen down the well?
    B. History/Fleshing it out - We have many wells, and Timmy is not smart. This has been a continual problem. We've found we have 200% more uncapped wells vs. other farms
    C. Options - We can leave Timmy down there, or we can cap the wells, or give Timmy a helium balloon (Note - NEVER PRESENT PROBLEMS IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOLUTIONS)
    D. Recommendation - Remember, you aren't the manager or decision maker, but you can be if you build the consensus. We recommend pulling Timmy out of the well, then putting safety locks on the wells and a safety leash on Timmy. After Well re-education, we can take the leash off. We feel this is the best mix of cost effectiveness and empathy for this problem.
    E. Action Items - After a decision has been reached, or if there's the search for more information, re-iterate what the plan is so everyone has one last chance to pile on.


    Man, I've been in the corporate world way too long.

  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    that is one usefull list, what helps me to keep it cool when I have to talk for a medium/long time in a nerves-inducing situation, I always try to keep my timing, speech speed, and breathing. Dont race towards an idea or point that you want to make, pace yourself, dont run out of breath. If you follow the above list regarding body lenguage, its perfectly okay to find a small spot within your speech, to stop for 2 seconds and just get your breathing in check, its basically just like singing.

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  • VivaVizerVivaVizer Registered User regular
    edited November 2012
    Alright, lot of information here and things for me to try. Especially that list.

    I don't think that I've ever thought about my breathing before. Maybe it'll make a difference.

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  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    that is one usefull list, what helps me to keep it cool when I have to talk for a medium/long time in a nerves-inducing situation, I always try to keep my timing, speech speed, and breathing. Dont race towards an idea or point that you want to make, pace yourself, dont run out of breath. If you follow the above list regarding body lenguage, its perfectly okay to find a small spot within your speech, to stop for 2 seconds and just get your breathing in check, its basically just like singing.

    Yes! Never be in a hurry. The key is to convey confidence, as you want to take people through a problem at a pace they understand. Over time, you'll learn how to vary tempo based on audience. Think about the pacing infomercials use - no information overload, just simple stepping stones towards a final goal.

  • LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    Silence if your friend. Think about what to say before you say it. The pause will also help focus your listener, making them better able to understand you.

  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    It's also OK to flub up, especially in more relaxed circumstances. Sometimes I get stuck on a word or phrase, very similar to what you said with "turve," and it's ok to stop, or clarify, or reset, or call out your flub. For example, you could've said "I took a turn, well more of a curve," or "I took a turve, curve," or "I took a tu-curve" or "I took a turve, uh, I mean.." You get the idea. If you're speaking in front of an audience of people, yeah, work through those things so you don't do it, but even then, it really isn't a big deal.

    I have a long history of not speaking perfectly, as I tend to speak quickly, occasionally mumble or have trouble with certain words ("ninety-nine" is a common one for me, as it tends to come out as "nah-ee-nine", and I realized during a crappy job in high school that I had trouble saying "credit card," too, which came out "creh-ih card"). If I slow down and pay attention to the words/syllables I know cause me trouble, I'm perfect! But it's hard to keep in the forefront of my mind and I tend to notice when I'm being lazy with it. When I notice me messing something up, which thankfully is now rare, I just say "bluuh" and start over, signaling that I got tongue tied. At most, people have smiled and I've continued. Most people care more about the content of what you're saying rather than whether you're speaking it perfectly.

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