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    FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    Spirits Within has all the things that make Final Fantasy Final Fantasy
    - guy named Cid
    - Meteor
    that's all you need

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    -token black guy

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    FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    also the movie had random encounters, just like an rpg

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Spirits Within also has basically the Lifestream from VII

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    also the plot made next to no sense, and had the emotional weight of a ten year old telling you about their day at school.

    Yep, this movie is pure final fantasy.

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    they made advent children too. that counts right

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    MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    Hate to break it to you but Spirits Within is the literal definition of the Uncanny Valley

    Right next to Polar Express.

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    BusterKBusterK Negativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    The actual animation in Spirits Within is fine but the lighting and textures most definitely show their age. It's not unwatchable.

    You're right
    It's the plot and the dialogue that make it unwatchable

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    Apparently I have a really high tolerance for things that are mediocre if they stand out of a crowd of shit.

    I still like the mechanical designs.

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    FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    Aki Ross in Maxim Bikini shot

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    That's the 'Post Reply' box not the search bar, @Franko.

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    FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    JayKoas horse bang video

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    As if that'd be anywhere the crawlers could get to it.

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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    Veretas wrote: »
    Hate to break it to you but Spirits Within is the literal definition of the Uncanny Valley

    Right next to Polar Express.

    Yup.

    Liking a movie or having some good animation isn't related to being in the Valley or not.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    I'm not arguing the uncanny valley bit by any means.

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    AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    neville wrote: »
    That particular little thing is (it was just a production gag reel that's a bonus feature on the disc), but the actual film looks a lot better than that

    Like, I don't really think it hits the Uncanny Valley at all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlZaCFBYw0

    Maybe because it's stylized just enough to make it look not-creepy at Polar Express levels

    My former professor who is a notable name in the AI field felt differently, as that was one of the clips he showed to illustrate it.
    so.

    Logical fallacy aside, isn't the whole point of the uncanny valley to gauge actual responses in the context of normal human interactions, not an academic construction ordained by theorists?

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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    neville wrote: »
    That particular little thing is (it was just a production gag reel that's a bonus feature on the disc), but the actual film looks a lot better than that

    Like, I don't really think it hits the Uncanny Valley at all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlZaCFBYw0

    Maybe because it's stylized just enough to make it look not-creepy at Polar Express levels

    My former professor who is a notable name in the AI field felt differently, as that was one of the clips he showed to illustrate it.
    so.

    Logical fallacy aside, isn't the whole point of the uncanny valley to gauge actual responses in the context of normal human interactions, not an academic construction ordained by theorists?

    It's a perception thing. I think it's pretty weird watching the embedded clip, personally.
    I don't think it is worth an actual debate, because you know what it means.
    If you don't think it's in the valley, then okay? But myself, @Veretas, and a lot of others do.

    If we're looking for more examples of Uncanny Valley media, here are some:
    In Isaac Asimov's short story "Evidence" from 1946, in which a lawyer is suspected of being a humanoid robot, Dr. Calvin says that people have been observing humans all their lives, and therefore "it would be impossible to palm something merely nearly right off on us".

    Roboticist Dario Floreano notes that the concept of the uncanny valley is taken seriously by the film industry due to the negative audience reactions to the animated baby in Pixar's 1988 short film Tin Toy.[46][47]

    In the 2008 30 Rock episode "Succession", Frank Rossitano explains the uncanny valley concept, using a graph and Star Wars examples, to try to convince Tracy Jordan that his dream of creating a pornographic video game is impossible. He also references the computer animated film The Polar Express.[48]

    In reviewing The Polar Express in 2004, CNN.com reviewer Paul Clinton references his uncanny valley response directly: "Those human characters in the film come across as downright... well, creepy. So The Polar Express is at best disconcerting, and at worst, a wee bit horrifying."[49]

    In the Doctor Who serial The Robots of Death (1977), a similar concept is referred to as "Grimwade's Syndrome" which is described as a psychological condition among people with frequent contact with robots,[citation needed] attributed to the robots moving like humans, but without any of the characteristic human body language. In the mind of those afflicted, they appear to be, in the words of the Doctor, "surrounded by walking, talking dead men".

    Episode 12 (season 5) of Criminal Minds (2010) is titled "The Uncanny Valley" and explores the theme through the lens of a serial abductress (and murderess) who chemically paralyzes the women she abducts and treats them like dolls.

    In the season 6 episode of Red Dwarf, "Out of Time" (1993), Kryten alludes to the uncanny valley as the reason his faceted head was designed to look so inhuman. The series of mechanoids that preceded his were hyper-realistic, and people's natural revulsion to such realistic-appearing machines severely hurt their sales.

    The 1972 satirical thriller The Stepford Wives and its 1975 and 2004 movie adaptations implicitly feature the concept of the uncanny valley.[citation needed] After the story's protagonist moves to a suburban residence, she notices increasingly uncharacteristic behavior by the other women in her community. As they become more docile, wholly subjecting their behavior and ambitions to the needs of their male partners, she begins to suspect a conspiracy where the human females are being replaced by gynoids.

    Reviews of the 2009 CGI movie Avatar, have mentioned uncanny valley, when referring to the CGI human like alien characters.[50]

    In the 2010 film The Last Airbender, Appa the flying bison, which is a CGI character based on a character of the same name in the television series, Avatar: The Last Airbender, has been called "uncanny". Geekosystem's Susana Polo found the CGI version of Appa "really quite creepy", noting "that prey animals (like bison) have eyes on the sides of their heads, and so moving them to the front without changing rest of the facial structure tips us right into the uncanny valley".[citation needed]

    In the 1968 short story "Masks" by Damon Knight, a man is described as being the subject of a project in which individuals are to have their consciousness transplanted into whole-body prostheses. While the prosthetic allows him a broad range of normal ‘human’ functions, he is fully aware that the prosthetic’s features remain fundamentally inhuman; during discussions with members of the development team, he criticizes the lack of realism of the prosthetic body in terms that strongly suggest an uncanny-valley effect: “The first model looked like a tailor's dummy; so you spent eight months and came up with this one, and it looks like a corpse.”[51] He is described as experiencing bitter frustration and anger when observing the typical facial and bodily imperfections displayed by normal humans and mammals, even to the point of psychotic rage at the sight of a puppy.

    The 2011 release of The Adventures of Tintin used advances in CGI technology to bring characters out of the uncanny valley. Movie critic Dana Stevens states "With the possible exception of the title character, the animated cast of Tintin narrowly escapes entrapment in the so-called 'uncanny valley.'"[52] While some movie critics continue to argue that the film remains in the uncanny valley, Kevin Kelly postulates that "we have passed beyond the uncanny valley into the plains of hyperreality."[53]

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    MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    In response to that example from 30 Rock stating that a pornographic video game is impossible:

    ahem

    Maybe not for you plebes.

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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    Veretas wrote: »
    In response to that example from 30 Rock stating that a pornographic video game is impossible:

    ahem

    Maybe not for you plebes.

    L2Research, bro.
    Tracy actually makes the video game, then goes on to make hundreds of millions from it.

    Boom.

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    MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    neville wrote: »
    Veretas wrote: »
    In response to that example from 30 Rock stating that a pornographic video game is impossible:

    ahem

    Maybe not for you plebes.

    L2Research, bro.
    Tracy actually makes the video game, then goes on to make hundreds of millions from it.

    Boom.

    Oh no...

    My TV cred!

    Nn-Nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Yeah I always thought it was a perception thing and therefore subjective, and The Spirits Within doesn't give me that feeling

    The only things that do are all the Zemeckis CG films (really glad he's back to live-action now!) and the initial test videos for Heavy Rain (but I thought the actual game was fine)

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    actual humans give me that feeling

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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    actual humans give me that feeling

    That's because you're an uncaring, uncanny robot who must be destroyed.

    Also: stop building the pyramids first!!!!

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    man I only did that like once

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    nevilleneville The Worst Gay (Seriously. The Worst!)Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    man I only did that like always bleep bloop

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