What are some good, general runepages you'd recommend for Dominion? I've generally sat around not giving a shit about runes for most of my time playing LoL, having picked some random all-purpose ones up early on and just sitting with them, but I'm getting to the point where I've getting in enough games with folks like Sauron and Nekro that I must be doing something right. If I'm doing something right I might as well do a few more things right and dump stuff like the mana regen yellows.
Sauron actually made up a whole thread once where he went over the rune pages he used, I'm at work so I can't dig it up but its somewhere in the bowels of the Dominion subforum. I think he lays out rune options also in his big ass advanced Dominion guide which is typically on the first page of the forum, it has a Riot post in it so it should be easy to spot.
Typically, you're gonna want
Arpen or Mpen reds
Flat Armor or Health per level Yellows
MR Per level or CDR Blues
Arpen, Mpen, or Move speed Quints
These vary by champ, for instance Durrius may want some flat AD instead of arpen for reds. If you're doing some more oddball stuff like Jaja's Udyr bot lane you may need a more customized page then what I've listed. I do remember he also used to sub in one crit chance red just to get that small extra 1% crit chance for auto attackers since the pseudo RNG makes it a lot better then just 1% but I'm not sure if he still does that though.
v1.0.0.136 - 2012-03-20
•Health per level increased to 98 from 88
•Counterstrike area of effect radius increased to 375 from 350
•Grandmaster's Might (New Active): Jax gains 25/35/45 (+30% of his bonus attack damage) armor and 25/35/45 (+20% of his ability power) magic resist for 8 seconds. 100 mana, 80 second cooldown.
v1.0.0.135 - 2012-02-29
•Fixed a bug where Grandmaster's Might passive attack canceled if the buff ran out during the attack animation
v1.0.0.133 - 2012-02-01
•Mana regen per level increased to 0.7 per 5 seconds from 0.45
•Fixed a bug where Empower's cooldown was higher than stated at earlier ranks
•Counter Strike
◦Dodge duration increased to 2 seconds from 1.5
◦Now additionally reduces the damage from area of effect abilities by 25% while Jax is dodging
◦Now can be activated again after 1 second to end the effect early
◦Damage adjusted to 50/75/100/125/150 (+0.5 bonus attack damage) from 40/70/100/130/160 (+0.8 bonus attack damage)
◦Now deals 20% increased damage for each attack dodged (up to a maximum of 100% increased damage) instead of 10/15/20/25/30 bonus damage per dodge
◦Cooldown reduced to 18/16/14/12/10 seconds from 22/20/18/16/14
•Grandmaster’s Might duration increased to 8 seconds from 6
and his passive started out as going from 4-10%. not sure why it isn't listed as going up in the change log even though it says in the rework 4-10%, I know I have read it elsewhere.
jax has recieved significant buffs since his rework. this is not about people realize what to do this is about jax sucking total ass and getting a lot of much needed buffs. and his ult change was one of the worst things to ever happen to jax since it turned him into a triforce tank tanky derp. the entire point of old jax was he could be a super carry and go heavy offensive, which is why they changed it back.
I'd say the same thing about MLP Heca as I say for any referential skin (like say the rengar alt skin which is definitelynotapredatorripoff). Provided it looks like a league skin with inspiration from MLP (say brightened under armour glare with rainbows when he ults or some shiz) rather than an MLP skin that just happens to be in League I don't care.
That and as someone whose indifferent leaning on liking the show I'd find the tears of rage over it utterly hillarious.
Speaking of refference skins though. How the fuck is Kink Kong Alistar NOT a thing?
I mean, you could put his ult as having bi-planes circle his head and everything. It makes too much sense.
EDIT: Also I'm glad that most Jax's at my level are bad and have the same lack of ability to position or time their entry into a fight as any bruiser.
I'd also add that I think the issue with Jax is that League's meta doesn't support mellee carries. It just doesn't, at all. So they either make Jax's early and mid game stronger than it honestly has rights to be with his late game power or they make him useless in most matches.
v1.0.0.136 - 2012-03-20
•Health per level increased to 98 from 88
•Counterstrike area of effect radius increased to 375 from 350
•Grandmaster's Might (New Active): Jax gains 25/35/45 (+30% of his bonus attack damage) armor and 25/35/45 (+20% of his ability power) magic resist for 8 seconds. 100 mana, 80 second cooldown.
v1.0.0.135 - 2012-02-29
•Fixed a bug where Grandmaster's Might passive attack canceled if the buff ran out during the attack animation
v1.0.0.133 - 2012-02-01
•Mana regen per level increased to 0.7 per 5 seconds from 0.45
•Fixed a bug where Empower's cooldown was higher than stated at earlier ranks
•Counter Strike
◦Dodge duration increased to 2 seconds from 1.5
◦Now additionally reduces the damage from area of effect abilities by 25% while Jax is dodging
◦Now can be activated again after 1 second to end the effect early
◦Damage adjusted to 50/75/100/125/150 (+0.5 bonus attack damage) from 40/70/100/130/160 (+0.8 bonus attack damage)
◦Now deals 20% increased damage for each attack dodged (up to a maximum of 100% increased damage) instead of 10/15/20/25/30 bonus damage per dodge
◦Cooldown reduced to 18/16/14/12/10 seconds from 22/20/18/16/14
•Grandmaster’s Might duration increased to 8 seconds from 6
and his passive started out as going from 4-10%. not sure why it isn't listed as going up in the change log even though it says in the rework 4-10%, I know I have read it elsewhere.
jax has recieved significant buffs since his rework. this is not about people realize what to do this is about jax sucking total ass and getting a lot of much needed buffs. and his ult change was one of the worst things to ever happen to jax since it turned him into a triforce tank tanky derp.
Hmm It's almost like I had posted those exact patch notes earlier in the thread and summarized them exactly in the response to your post. The base stat change still isn't that big a change, as your own post just now shows yet again. I already said the only significant change was the counterstrike change, so you posting that change doesn't really mean anything. The ult change is still a matter of opinion (as your own opinion shows) based on how you liked to play Jax. I think it was a buff, but a not insignificant amount of people didn't like it. It's depends on how you liked to build him.
Although there was no listed change in the passive so it was either a typo or a change that was never announced. I admit a lack of clarity on that issue
So no you are still incorrect and aside from some uncertainty about the passive changing you didn't really refute anything I said by simply referencing the exact same information I was using.
What DID change was the mentality of people about Jax, as good players figured him out and started doing good work, as usual the community follows.
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Yeah, I don't mind that at all, it's subtle. A skin would be all up in your face.
Agreed. I love the show but that would be a bit much.
Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Yeah, I don't mind that at all, it's subtle. A skin would be all up in your face.
Agreed. I love the show but that would be a bit much.
Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Oh, and it better be Pinky Pie.
I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy it. I'm just saying it would be a bit much, a smidge too cultish if you will.
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Yeah, I don't mind that at all, it's subtle. A skin would be all up in your face.
Agreed. I love the show but that would be a bit much.
Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Oh, and it better be Pinky Pie.
Sorry but Hecarim is a blatant Dash fan. I'm not even a Dash fan but come on? Gotta go fast, an ulti that lets him do the sonic rainboom. Blatantly would be Dash.
(Fiddlesticks Pinky pie incidentally would be about the most rage inducing thing in the game if it had the same voice actress).
Yeah, I don't mind that at all, it's subtle. A skin would be all up in your face.
Agreed. I love the show but that would be a bit much.
Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Oh, and it better be Pinky Pie.
Sorry but Hecarim is a blatant Dash fan. I'm not even a Dash fan but come on? Gotta go fast, an ulti that lets him do the sonic rainboom. Blatantly would be Dash.
(Fiddlesticks Pinky pie incidentally would be about the most rage inducing thing in the game if it had the same voice actress).
how about a Pinky Pie LuLu and a Rainbow Dash Hecarim?
(where's robosanta?)
edit: Too Cultish? They have a frigging TIME LORD skin, Star Wars fans are geeky, Star Trek fans are nerds, but fans of The Doctor fans are cultists.
no, it shows that you have never played jax. the remake was only to take out dodge. but because of the ult change he was a totally different(and worse) champion. if you look at pre rework jax, post rework jax, and post ult change jax the one in the middle sticks out like a sore thumb in regards to how people played and built him. his build order is a little different now, but the items are largely the same.
and you're treating his e buffs like it was some minor thing. he recieved numerous significant buffs. 180 health more health is important, 20% more AS is important, 4 seconds off his e cooldown is important, 2 more seconds on his ult is important, doubling his mana regen is important. all of these things combined are big buffs to jax because... he was unplayable after the rework. complete trash that sucked all the fun out of the champion. and that patch was not 3 days after the rework. patches do not come 3 days after one another, and it was not a hotfix because I remember watching the patch preview.
seriously just look at how a small change like a few buffs to irelia's base stats did to improve her after the sustain nerf. these are big changes that really helped jax in all areas.
Delph, Jars, can you guys just make out already? Neither one of you has refuted what the other is saying. You're both agreeing on the timeline of the events, the changes that took place, and Jax's current state. The only thing you disagree on is the narrative that got us here, which is pretty much irrelevant to be frank.
Yeah, I don't mind that at all, it's subtle. A skin would be all up in your face.
Agreed. I love the show but that would be a bit much.
Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Oh, and it better be Pinky Pie.
Sorry but Hecarim is a blatant Dash fan. I'm not even a Dash fan but come on? Gotta go fast, an ulti that lets him do the sonic rainboom. Blatantly would be Dash.
(Fiddlesticks Pinky pie incidentally would be about the most rage inducing thing in the game if it had the same voice actress).
how about a Pinky Pie LuLu and a Rainbow Dash Hecarim?
(where's robosanta?)
edit: Too Cultish? They have a frigging TIME LORD skin, Star Wars fans are geeky, Star Trek fans are nerds, but fans of The Doctor fans are cultists.
Yeah, I don't mind that at all, it's subtle. A skin would be all up in your face.
Agreed. I love the show but that would be a bit much.
Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Oh, and it better be Pinky Pie.
Sorry but Hecarim is a blatant Dash fan. I'm not even a Dash fan but come on? Gotta go fast, an ulti that lets him do the sonic rainboom. Blatantly would be Dash.
(Fiddlesticks Pinky pie incidentally would be about the most rage inducing thing in the game if it had the same voice actress).
how about a Pinky Pie LuLu and a Rainbow Dash Hecarim?
(where's robosanta?)
edit: Too Cultish? They have a frigging TIME LORD skin, Star Wars fans are geeky, Star Trek fans are nerds, but fans of The Doctor fans are cultists.
Dr. Who skin?
Zilean's Time Lord Skin. Blitzcrank has the Dalek "Exterminate" line. There are a couple other blatant Doctor references.
Yeah, I don't mind that at all, it's subtle. A skin would be all up in your face.
Agreed. I love the show but that would be a bit much.
Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Oh, and it better be Pinky Pie.
Sorry but Hecarim is a blatant Dash fan. I'm not even a Dash fan but come on? Gotta go fast, an ulti that lets him do the sonic rainboom. Blatantly would be Dash.
(Fiddlesticks Pinky pie incidentally would be about the most rage inducing thing in the game if it had the same voice actress).
how about a Pinky Pie LuLu and a Rainbow Dash Hecarim?
(where's robosanta?)
edit: Too Cultish? They have a frigging TIME LORD skin, Star Wars fans are geeky, Star Trek fans are nerds, but fans of The Doctor fans are cultists.
Dr. Who skin?
Zilean's Time Lord Skin. Blitzcrank has the Dalek "Exterminate" line. There are a couple other blatant Doctor references.
Or you know, the Strider Hiryu skin on Talon. Just looking at the skins is a pretty big collection of references from all kinds of things.
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jax was horrendously bad after his remake. they were shoveling buffs at him every patch because it was that bad
What buffs did he get?
Doesn't Jax have like the best base stats in the game
It's also weird how irelia is a hardcore late game top laner unless Jax is there.
Jax's scaling just seems like it's on a much sharper curve then irelias
no, his base stats sucked... until they buffed them after the remake
and they buffed his passive
and reworked some numbers
and they made his ult not stupid
the jax remake was a while ago. he was unplayably bad out the door
Upgrade #1
Mana regen per level increased to 0.7 per 5 seconds from 0.45.
Fixed a bug where Empower's cooldown was higher than stated at earlier ranks.
Counter Strike:
Dodge duration increased to 2 seconds from 1.5.
Now additionally reduces the damage from area of effect abilities by 25% for the duration.
It can now be activated again after 1 second to end the effect early.
Damage changed to 50/75/100/125/150 (+0.5 bonus attack damage) from 40/70/100/130/160 (+0.8 bonus attack damage).
Now deals 20% increased damage for each attack dodged (up to a maximum of 100% increased damage) instead of 10/15/20/25/30 bonus damage per dodge.
Cooldown reduced to 18/16/14/12/10 seconds from 22/20/18/16/14.
Grandmaster's Might: duration increased to 8 seconds from 6.
#2
Health per level increased to 98 from 88.
Counter Strike: area of effect radius increased to 375 from 350.
Grandmaster's Might (New Active):
Jax gains 25/35/45 (+30% of his bonus attack damage) armor and 25/35/45 (+20% of his ability power) magic resist for 8 seconds.
100 mana cost.
80 second cooldown.
#3
Relentless Assault (Passive): now stacks even if Jax's attack misses or is dodged.
Old Jax had 'bad' base stats because he made up for them in his passive. New Jax has good base stats... which scale significantly better because of his new passive and his ultimate. New Jax also gets the free MR from his ult that very few other bruisers have access too, while simultaneously having the best top lane burst trade in the game barring Teemo.
The only champs who lane effectively against him right now are Cho'Gath, who still has regeneration from his passive that is utterly ridiculous, and Yorick, who also has some of the best sustainability in the game.
The only buff of the above that was particularly necessary was the Counter Strike one. His passive stacking through blinds is hilariously stupid, he was already one of the most survivable tops without a health/lvl increase, and given that he puts out damage on par with Master Yi and Fiora, neither of whom get free defences, giving him MR on his ult is ridiculous.
In general though, most top champions are badly balanced. Jax isn't really an exception to this at all.
Yeah, I don't mind that at all, it's subtle. A skin would be all up in your face.
Agreed. I love the show but that would be a bit much.
Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Oh, and it better be Pinky Pie.
Sorry but Hecarim is a blatant Dash fan. I'm not even a Dash fan but come on? Gotta go fast, an ulti that lets him do the sonic rainboom. Blatantly would be Dash.
(Fiddlesticks Pinky pie incidentally would be about the most rage inducing thing in the game if it had the same voice actress).
While I couldn't see them doing a *direct* reference skin, I could see a Bittersweet Hecarim skin being done instead.
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I tried Udyr last night for the first time and wow did it not go well. I don't think I like his mechanic at all, I could never pick which form I wanted to be in or what items to build. He feels like a true jack of all trades master of none.
I wouldn't consider him a jack of all trades, he hits like a truck while being much more innately tanky than your typical bruiser, but he has poor mobility and needs to be in the middle of the fight to use his CC. He's probably the best brick wall for your team in the game. One thing that helped me a lot was getting a point in Tiger early then hitting it before you gank because the dot is applied on your next attack regardless of your stance, and it helps keep your passive up during a fight if necessary. Otherwise, you should focus on Phoenix and Turtle and just mash them as often as possible during a fight unless you need to stun someone. S3 may allow jungle Udyr to focus on Tiger more than Phoenix, but we'll see.
•Relentless Assault - Passive (Remade)
◦Every time Jax attacks an enemy he gains 4-10% increased attack speed (stacks up to 6 times)
And yet on timeline.leagueoflegends.com which is where they archive their news for na.leagueoflegends.com it says:
Relentless Assault - Passive (Remade)
Every time Jax attacks an enemy he gains 4-14% increased attack speed (stacks up to 6 times)
Like I said....there is a lack of clarity on this point, or possibly a typo. And considering they never mentioned a change to the passive in any of the later patches it could very well have been a stealth buff, or they never changed it because the base was 4%-14%.
We may never know, but it would seem likely to be the latter considering they tend to document changes like that when they make them. And having no change mentioned after the initial rework would suggest that it never changed.
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The only champs who lane effectively against him right now are Cho'Gath, who still has regeneration from his passive that is utterly ridiculous, and Yorick, who also has some of the best sustainability in the game.
I would say that Malphite, Darius, Jayce, and sometimes Irelia and Teemo give him a hard time as well. Malphite is a hard counter.
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I tried Udyr last night for the first time and wow did it not go well. I don't think I like his mechanic at all, I could never pick which form I wanted to be in or what items to build. He feels like a true jack of all trades master of none.
I wouldn't consider him a jack of all trades, he hits like a truck while being much more innately tanky than your typical bruiser, but he has poor mobility and needs to be in the middle of the fight to use his CC. He's probably the best brick wall for your team in the game. One thing that helped me a lot was getting a point in Tiger early then hitting it before you gank because the dot is applied on your next attack regardless of your stance, and it helps keep your passive up during a fight if necessary. Otherwise, you should focus on Phoenix and Turtle and just mash them as often as possible during a fight unless you need to stun someone. S3 may allow jungle Udyr to focus on Tiger more than Phoenix, but we'll see.
I have had such a blast on Udyr the past couple of games jungling on him. It's smooth, safe, and I love the piano mechanic of managing his passive(s) by switching stances. He's so strong and really doesn't need a whole lot of offensive items to get a good result. I think he really really benefits from a Shurelya's Reverie ASAP to help catch people. Would love to take him solo-top sometime soon but I just bought Darius so there's that. An early point in Tiger works wonders if you can spare it for ganks but it's not necessary. But yes! Udyr. Fun chap.
Hecarim as a red-nosed reindeer who gores people on his bloody rack.
Also wholly acceptable.
I want more Elise skins. Flower butt is really cool but other than the recall animation looks worse to me.
Agreed, It'll probably be awhile though
I like her default skin, and the flower one is neat in theory but I find the color palette to be a bit monochromatic for me.
Yeah, that's my issue. I feel it could have being far cooler with a pink/red lotus and then a black spider limbs with dark green highlights at the joints and normal skin colour. Something like that would have being cooler but I guess it would have looked reasonably similar to the normal skin.
honestly, as cool as pink taric is, i'd really like them to do a legendary or theme to the most popular champ in the game.
They just need to do a legendary pink one. Re-do all the effects and man up his armour into being a thong like that mind scarring picture. If we can have battle bunny Riven we can have Ralph Lauren Taric whose shatter makes him strike a sexy pose.
Hecarim as a red-nosed reindeer who gores people on his bloody rack.
Also wholly acceptable.
I want more Elise skins. Flower butt is really cool but other than the recall animation looks worse to me.
Agreed, It'll probably be awhile though
I like her default skin, and the flower one is neat in theory but I find the color palette to be a bit monochromatic for me.
Yeah, that's my issue. I feel it could have being far cooler with a pink/red lotus and then a black spider limbs with dark green highlights at the joints and normal skin colour. Something like that would have being cooler but I guess it would have looked reasonably similar to the normal skin.
She needs a hairy tarantula skin.
Edit - And her human form should be all hairy too.
Karma and Trundle also need more skins. Though I can't really think of any for either (other than Fan Dancer Karma cheese cake, but they aren't doing that to Karma, I hope).
Rumble totally needs more skins, but that won't happen for a while since apparently they're a pain in the ass to do due to his internal rigging for his animations being a clusterfuck.
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According to Zakkers (the career rumble player), who chats up Feral Pony (rumble's designer) whenever he can, Rumble is getting a skin. Because it is going to be his only skin for a long time it will have extra effort put into it.
Hecarim as a red-nosed reindeer who gores people on his bloody rack.
Also wholly acceptable.
I want more Elise skins. Flower butt is really cool but other than the recall animation looks worse to me.
Agreed, It'll probably be awhile though
I like her default skin, and the flower one is neat in theory but I find the color palette to be a bit monochromatic for me.
Yeah, that's my issue. I feel it could have being far cooler with a pink/red lotus and then a black spider limbs with dark green highlights at the joints and normal skin colour. Something like that would have being cooler but I guess it would have looked reasonably similar to the normal skin.
She needs a hairy tarantula skin.
Edit - And her human form should be all hairy too.
Hecarim as a red-nosed reindeer who gores people on his bloody rack.
Also wholly acceptable.
I want more Elise skins. Flower butt is really cool but other than the recall animation looks worse to me.
Agreed, It'll probably be awhile though
I like her default skin, and the flower one is neat in theory but I find the color palette to be a bit monochromatic for me.
Yeah, that's my issue. I feel it could have being far cooler with a pink/red lotus and then a black spider limbs with dark green highlights at the joints and normal skin colour. Something like that would have being cooler but I guess it would have looked reasonably similar to the normal skin.
She needs a hairy tarantula skin.
Edit - And her human form should be all hairy too.
Karma and Trundle also need more skins. Though I can't really think of any for either (other than Fan Dancer Karma cheese cake, but they aren't doing that to Karma, I hope).
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v1.0.0.136 - 2012-03-20
•Health per level increased to 98 from 88
•Counterstrike area of effect radius increased to 375 from 350
•Grandmaster's Might (New Active): Jax gains 25/35/45 (+30% of his bonus attack damage) armor and 25/35/45 (+20% of his ability power) magic resist for 8 seconds. 100 mana, 80 second cooldown.
v1.0.0.135 - 2012-02-29
•Fixed a bug where Grandmaster's Might passive attack canceled if the buff ran out during the attack animation
v1.0.0.133 - 2012-02-01
•Mana regen per level increased to 0.7 per 5 seconds from 0.45
•Fixed a bug where Empower's cooldown was higher than stated at earlier ranks
•Counter Strike
◦Dodge duration increased to 2 seconds from 1.5
◦Now additionally reduces the damage from area of effect abilities by 25% while Jax is dodging
◦Now can be activated again after 1 second to end the effect early
◦Damage adjusted to 50/75/100/125/150 (+0.5 bonus attack damage) from 40/70/100/130/160 (+0.8 bonus attack damage)
◦Now deals 20% increased damage for each attack dodged (up to a maximum of 100% increased damage) instead of 10/15/20/25/30 bonus damage per dodge
◦Cooldown reduced to 18/16/14/12/10 seconds from 22/20/18/16/14
•Grandmaster’s Might duration increased to 8 seconds from 6
and his passive started out as going from 4-10%. not sure why it isn't listed as going up in the change log even though it says in the rework 4-10%, I know I have read it elsewhere.
jax has recieved significant buffs since his rework. this is not about people realize what to do this is about jax sucking total ass and getting a lot of much needed buffs. and his ult change was one of the worst things to ever happen to jax since it turned him into a triforce tank tanky derp. the entire point of old jax was he could be a super carry and go heavy offensive, which is why they changed it back.
That and as someone whose indifferent leaning on liking the show I'd find the tears of rage over it utterly hillarious.
Speaking of refference skins though. How the fuck is Kink Kong Alistar NOT a thing?
I mean, you could put his ult as having bi-planes circle his head and everything. It makes too much sense.
EDIT: Also I'm glad that most Jax's at my level are bad and have the same lack of ability to position or time their entry into a fight as any bruiser.
I'd also add that I think the issue with Jax is that League's meta doesn't support mellee carries. It just doesn't, at all. So they either make Jax's early and mid game stronger than it honestly has rights to be with his late game power or they make him useless in most matches.
Hmm It's almost like I had posted those exact patch notes earlier in the thread and summarized them exactly in the response to your post. The base stat change still isn't that big a change, as your own post just now shows yet again. I already said the only significant change was the counterstrike change, so you posting that change doesn't really mean anything. The ult change is still a matter of opinion (as your own opinion shows) based on how you liked to play Jax. I think it was a buff, but a not insignificant amount of people didn't like it. It's depends on how you liked to build him.
Although there was no listed change in the passive so it was either a typo or a change that was never announced. I admit a lack of clarity on that issue
So no you are still incorrect and aside from some uncertainty about the passive changing you didn't really refute anything I said by simply referencing the exact same information I was using.
What DID change was the mentality of people about Jax, as good players figured him out and started doing good work, as usual the community follows.
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Yes, by all means, let's be cautious with the skin design, we wouldn't want to litter up the skins with an outright MLP skin, I mean how would that fit along side various Dr. Who characters, sayings, references to other games, Sheena Warrior Princess, Uncle Sam, Alice in Wonderland, a Playboy Bunny, and Popeye.
There's more, I'm sure, but it's not like Riot has made a living off of appealing to the cultish side of things.
Oh, and it better be Pinky Pie.
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I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy it. I'm just saying it would be a bit much, a smidge too cultish if you will.
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Sorry but Hecarim is a blatant Dash fan. I'm not even a Dash fan but come on? Gotta go fast, an ulti that lets him do the sonic rainboom. Blatantly would be Dash.
(Fiddlesticks Pinky pie incidentally would be about the most rage inducing thing in the game if it had the same voice actress).
how about a Pinky Pie LuLu and a Rainbow Dash Hecarim?
(where's robosanta?)
edit: Too Cultish? They have a frigging TIME LORD skin, Star Wars fans are geeky, Star Trek fans are nerds, but fans of The Doctor fans are cultists.
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and you're treating his e buffs like it was some minor thing. he recieved numerous significant buffs. 180 health more health is important, 20% more AS is important, 4 seconds off his e cooldown is important, 2 more seconds on his ult is important, doubling his mana regen is important. all of these things combined are big buffs to jax because... he was unplayable after the rework. complete trash that sucked all the fun out of the champion. and that patch was not 3 days after the rework. patches do not come 3 days after one another, and it was not a hotfix because I remember watching the patch preview.
seriously just look at how a small change like a few buffs to irelia's base stats did to improve her after the sustain nerf. these are big changes that really helped jax in all areas.
WTF is this shit?
Vollibear xmas first and foremost.
Delph, Jars, can you guys just make out already? Neither one of you has refuted what the other is saying. You're both agreeing on the timeline of the events, the changes that took place, and Jax's current state. The only thing you disagree on is the narrative that got us here, which is pretty much irrelevant to be frank.
Dr. Who skin?
Zilean's Time Lord Skin. Blitzcrank has the Dalek "Exterminate" line. There are a couple other blatant Doctor references.
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Or you know, the Strider Hiryu skin on Talon. Just looking at the skins is a pretty big collection of references from all kinds of things.
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Old Jax had 'bad' base stats because he made up for them in his passive. New Jax has good base stats... which scale significantly better because of his new passive and his ultimate. New Jax also gets the free MR from his ult that very few other bruisers have access too, while simultaneously having the best top lane burst trade in the game barring Teemo.
The only champs who lane effectively against him right now are Cho'Gath, who still has regeneration from his passive that is utterly ridiculous, and Yorick, who also has some of the best sustainability in the game.
The only buff of the above that was particularly necessary was the Counter Strike one. His passive stacking through blinds is hilariously stupid, he was already one of the most survivable tops without a health/lvl increase, and given that he puts out damage on par with Master Yi and Fiora, neither of whom get free defences, giving him MR on his ult is ridiculous.
In general though, most top champions are badly balanced. Jax isn't really an exception to this at all.
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While I couldn't see them doing a *direct* reference skin, I could see a Bittersweet Hecarim skin being done instead.
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And yet on timeline.leagueoflegends.com which is where they archive their news for na.leagueoflegends.com it says:
Like I said....there is a lack of clarity on this point, or possibly a typo. And considering they never mentioned a change to the passive in any of the later patches it could very well have been a stealth buff, or they never changed it because the base was 4%-14%.
We may never know, but it would seem likely to be the latter considering they tend to document changes like that when they make them. And having no change mentioned after the initial rework would suggest that it never changed.
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I have had such a blast on Udyr the past couple of games jungling on him. It's smooth, safe, and I love the piano mechanic of managing his passive(s) by switching stances. He's so strong and really doesn't need a whole lot of offensive items to get a good result. I think he really really benefits from a Shurelya's Reverie ASAP to help catch people. Would love to take him solo-top sometime soon but I just bought Darius so there's that. An early point in Tiger works wonders if you can spare it for ganks but it's not necessary. But yes! Udyr. Fun chap.
Hecarim as a red-nosed reindeer who gores people on his bloody rack.
Also wholly acceptable.
I want more Elise skins. Flower butt is really cool but other than the recall animation looks worse to me.
Agreed, It'll probably be awhile though
I like her default skin, and the flower one is neat in theory but I find the color palette to be a bit monochromatic for me.
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Yeah, that's my issue. I feel it could have being far cooler with a pink/red lotus and then a black spider limbs with dark green highlights at the joints and normal skin colour. Something like that would have being cooler but I guess it would have looked reasonably similar to the normal skin.
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They just need to do a legendary pink one. Re-do all the effects and man up his armour into being a thong like that mind scarring picture. If we can have battle bunny Riven we can have Ralph Lauren Taric whose shatter makes him strike a sexy pose.
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She needs a hairy tarantula skin.
Edit - And her human form should be all hairy too.
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Beelise would be cool.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2836997
Bumble-Gnaw is cooler, but that may be because he's the coolest awesomenaut.
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