She is essentially hard counterable in masteries and items now (slow reduction), her primary item builds were nerfed significantly without compensation, and other carries have been given significant itemization advantages. Has anyone made her work with the new changes?
Edit: She doesn't even get much of an advantage compared to other champions in stacking a manamune since the bonus mana on attacking is now 4 mana
Huh, weird. I did not realize that it is only archangel's that bumps up to 5 mana a cast from 4 on the tear, and that manamune doesn't weird.
What about hurricane on her? Let's her apply her slow to three targets?
Huh, weird. I did not realize that it is only archangel's that bumps up to 5 mana a cast from 4 on the tear, and that manamune doesn't weird.
What about hurricane on her? Let's her apply her slow to three targets?
Press w, apply slow to whole team. Its nothing compared to "Headshot every other attack" or "reset quickdraw in three attacks" or "apply scaling hit point bonus damage to three people" or "apply bonus damage which interacts favorably with other abilities"
Yes, the Hurricane does let her stack slows on multiple targets. I havent tested it, but I bet it works great.
Ashe can already apply slows to the entire enemy team by pressing w. Her volley has a 4 second cooldown at max rank and will hit their entire team in a team fight with more regularity than her auto attacks will hit more than one person with hurricane.
Building a tear in lane on an AD carry is asking for a huge world of hurt. No matter what carry I am playing, if I see you have one of those and I have a long sword or two, I'm going to be constantly forcing trades that you can't win.
Building a tear in lane on an AD carry is asking for a huge world of hurt. No matter what carry I am playing, if I see you have one of those and I have a long sword or two, I'm going to be constantly forcing trades that you can't win.
She is essentially hard counterable in masteries and items now (slow reduction), her primary item builds were nerfed significantly without compensation, and other carries have been given significant itemization advantages. Has anyone made her work with the new changes?
Edit: She doesn't even get much of an advantage compared to other champions in stacking a manamune since the bonus mana on attacking is now 4 mana
I think you're overstating it. Even if Relentless and Boots of Swiftness stack additively (which I'm not sure they do and only someone like Udyr will actually bother with), frost shot is still a 22% slow. I guess you could try Hurricane on her, but IE PD or maybe BT is still the best build on every carry (once they nerf Black Cleaver), so the other itemization options don't really matter.
She is essentially hard counterable in masteries and items now (slow reduction), her primary item builds were nerfed significantly without compensation, and other carries have been given significant itemization advantages. Has anyone made her work with the new changes?
Edit: She doesn't even get much of an advantage compared to other champions in stacking a manamune since the bonus mana on attacking is now 4 mana
I think you're overstating it. Even if Relentless and Boots of Swiftness stack additively (which I'm not sure they do and only someone like Udyr will actually bother with), frost shot is still a 22% slow. I guess you could try Hurricane on her, but IE PD or maybe BT is still the best build on every carry (once they nerf Black Cleaver), so the other itemization options don't really matter.
Just want to say that Relentless stacks multiplicative-ly.
Press w, apply slow to whole team. Its nothing compared to "Headshot every other attack" or "reset quickdraw in three attacks" or "apply scaling hit point bonus damage to three people" or "apply bonus damage which interacts favorably with other abilities"
Silver Bolts can only be applied to a single target at a time. And I'm not convinced it's a good idea on Cait and Graves, in most games you'll be trading your IE for Hurricane, so you won't be doing much damage at all.
Silver Bolts can only be applied to a single target at a time. And I'm not convinced it's a good idea on Cait and Graves, in most games you'll be trading your IE for Hurricane, so you won't be doing much damage at all.
Kog'Maw the scaling HP damage is on Kog'Maw. Trade the hurricane for PD not IE (cane is 1k gold cheaper than IE). YOu still do tonnes of damage
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Hurricane is good on a lot of carries simply because it applies red buff; you're slowing 3 enemies instead of just one.
So you get attack speed, 1 more AD ratio on your autos, and 3x the kiting potential in teamfights.
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The splash radius on Hurricane is a lot smaller than I was hoping it'd be. You'll only really hit multiple opponents when being someone is being focused by melee or when fighting in tight areas (Jungle).
If your champion doesn't have a serious scaling mechanic that also benefits from Attack Speed, then it really isn't worth buying.
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You know, maybe Ashe could do cleaver stacking before its nerfed. Get volley down to 2.4 second CD and just not care that your AS is low because lol enemy has no armor
People who don't like Ez have shitty taste in champion design.
As interesting as right click wonders like most ADCs are (/sarcasm), Ez actually requires some modicum of thought to be used optimally. Go use your non-skill shot abilities some more.
People who don't like Ez have shitty taste in champion design.
As interesting as right click wonders like most ADCs are (/sarcasm), Ez actually requires some modicum of thought to be used optimally. Go use your non-skill shot abilities some more.
Speaking as someone who thinks Ez is horrible it's because he fits almost too perfectly into the role. He's the only ADC that can kite people with charges because of his low cooldown flash which also keeps him safe from jungle pressure in laning. He has a poke that scales well with AD, flies fast and is easy to land and his ultimate is a nice quick bit of damage for him.
The best ADC design in the game is Caitlyn, because she does her job of long range shove so well without being broken. Her E is not a flawless escape and requires thought to use well, her Q having a delay means it's an actual skillshot unlike Ez's 'insta poke' bullshit and her W is all about predicting the opposition and setting up escapes for yourself.
Combine that with an ultimate designed to help finish off kills to get her more farmed and she's a great carry that's fun to play. I can appreciate when I'm against a good Caitlyn because Caitlyn playing well is all about area denial and poke.
Ezreal is not, Ezreal is unenjoyable to play against because his E denies the vast majority of attempts at aggression and his Q is pretty hard to dodge if your opponent has even a tiny amount of skill in his head.
In terms of ADC design Ezreal is the worst because he promotes boring safe play and is fustrating to play against not because of the Ezreal players skill but because he has a flash every 15 seconds.
I'd even take Graves (who arguably kinda replaced Cait in terms of mid game shove carry) over him because at least when Graves brings both being a ADC and a burst caster style character to the team at the same time, he does it by putting himself at risk and has to be aware of positioning.
EDIT: Also, I can only think of Vayne as an ADC that features no skillshots so uhm, no.
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So, messing around with random item builds in bot matches.
Was trying out Ashe, went something like zerker greaves, IE, static shiv, hurricane.
There was an interesting item interaction going on. So, static shiv procs when it has 100 charges. It gets charges while you are moving at a pretty decent pace and it gets 10 charges when you auto attack. However, it seems like the extra attacks generated by hurricane count for that, so, a fully hurricane volley nets you 30 charges. With the new attack speed on crit mastery, this build was getting pretty close to the 2.0 attack speed cap, which means it was proccing static shiv like non-stop. Between that, the hurricane attacks themselves, and volley it turned Ashe into this weird AoE AD character. Also her wave clear was stupid fast.
Static shiv seems really good for ashe in generic, crit, attack speed, move speed, and it works well with her kiting toolkit.
The fact it builds out of an avarice blade doesn't hurt either.
And according to LoL wiki, shivs proc does benefit from IE's passive. So, lots of fun synergies.
Shiv is great. Gankplank makes great use of it since he can Parrrley to proc it and the proc crits. I'll find it hard not to get Tiamat though since the splash killing minions gives him even more plunder gold.
Shiv + IE ashe has nice up front initial damage in the form of a crit + crit static bolt with IE crit bonus.
(Chaox went boots + 3 dorans + shiv + ie with her in the TSM tournament and did well enough)
Shiv is great. Gankplank makes great use of it since he can Parrrley to proc it and the proc crits. I'll find it hard not to get Tiamat though since the splash killing minions gives him even more plunder gold.
Yeah, ideally you want to keep the Avarice Blade as long as possible for even more gold.
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Huh, weird. I did not realize that it is only archangel's that bumps up to 5 mana a cast from 4 on the tear, and that manamune doesn't weird.
What about hurricane on her? Let's her apply her slow to three targets?
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Press w, apply slow to whole team. Its nothing compared to "Headshot every other attack" or "reset quickdraw in three attacks" or "apply scaling hit point bonus damage to three people" or "apply bonus damage which interacts favorably with other abilities"
Ashe can already apply slows to the entire enemy team by pressing w. Her volley has a 4 second cooldown at max rank and will hit their entire team in a team fight with more regularity than her auto attacks will hit more than one person with hurricane.
Unless the enemy ADC is ezreal
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Just want to say that Relentless stacks multiplicative-ly.
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There is part of me that kind of thinks if I am an AD carry and I am in AA range of three people at once I am probably doing something horribly wrong.
For example ruined king hurricane Graves is really cool. Constantly resetting your E and lifestealing for days.
Edit: Kog Maw can do serious work with it too. Add the king blade in and you can melt ALL the faces.
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Kog'Maw the scaling HP damage is on Kog'Maw. Trade the hurricane for PD not IE (cane is 1k gold cheaper than IE). YOu still do tonnes of damage
So you get attack speed, 1 more AD ratio on your autos, and 3x the kiting potential in teamfights.
If your champion doesn't have a serious scaling mechanic that also benefits from Attack Speed, then it really isn't worth buying.
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As interesting as right click wonders like most ADCs are (/sarcasm), Ez actually requires some modicum of thought to be used optimally. Go use your non-skill shot abilities some more.
Speaking as someone who thinks Ez is horrible it's because he fits almost too perfectly into the role. He's the only ADC that can kite people with charges because of his low cooldown flash which also keeps him safe from jungle pressure in laning. He has a poke that scales well with AD, flies fast and is easy to land and his ultimate is a nice quick bit of damage for him.
The best ADC design in the game is Caitlyn, because she does her job of long range shove so well without being broken. Her E is not a flawless escape and requires thought to use well, her Q having a delay means it's an actual skillshot unlike Ez's 'insta poke' bullshit and her W is all about predicting the opposition and setting up escapes for yourself.
Combine that with an ultimate designed to help finish off kills to get her more farmed and she's a great carry that's fun to play. I can appreciate when I'm against a good Caitlyn because Caitlyn playing well is all about area denial and poke.
Ezreal is not, Ezreal is unenjoyable to play against because his E denies the vast majority of attempts at aggression and his Q is pretty hard to dodge if your opponent has even a tiny amount of skill in his head.
In terms of ADC design Ezreal is the worst because he promotes boring safe play and is fustrating to play against not because of the Ezreal players skill but because he has a flash every 15 seconds.
I'd even take Graves (who arguably kinda replaced Cait in terms of mid game shove carry) over him because at least when Graves brings both being a ADC and a burst caster style character to the team at the same time, he does it by putting himself at risk and has to be aware of positioning.
EDIT: Also, I can only think of Vayne as an ADC that features no skillshots so uhm, no.
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Was trying out Ashe, went something like zerker greaves, IE, static shiv, hurricane.
There was an interesting item interaction going on. So, static shiv procs when it has 100 charges. It gets charges while you are moving at a pretty decent pace and it gets 10 charges when you auto attack. However, it seems like the extra attacks generated by hurricane count for that, so, a fully hurricane volley nets you 30 charges. With the new attack speed on crit mastery, this build was getting pretty close to the 2.0 attack speed cap, which means it was proccing static shiv like non-stop. Between that, the hurricane attacks themselves, and volley it turned Ashe into this weird AoE AD character. Also her wave clear was stupid fast.
Static shiv seems really good for ashe in generic, crit, attack speed, move speed, and it works well with her kiting toolkit.
The fact it builds out of an avarice blade doesn't hurt either.
And according to LoL wiki, shivs proc does benefit from IE's passive. So, lots of fun synergies.
Static Shiv is great on plenty of characters. My buddies build it on Garen and Gankplank all the time.
I didn't mean to write "Gankplank" but I'm totally leaving it there.
(Chaox went boots + 3 dorans + shiv + ie with her in the TSM tournament and did well enough)
Yeah, ideally you want to keep the Avarice Blade as long as possible for even more gold.
It still gives you the regen buff.
Yeah, hence my "holy shit why have I not been building this on supports"
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