Actually Netherrealms' previous game, Mortal Kombat, had the best fighting game story mode ever.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Kingdom Come never felt like it was written in a way to make it be this defining catalyst like Injustice did, that was more Gog's action in response to Superman letting the legal system play out. It's a weird defense, but Joker gas (or was it a gunshot?) is a lot different than a nuke and baby killing.
What feels weird about the Injustice plot is that if Joker killed Lois in that manner, and then Superman would take over the world, I'm pretty sure Joker would be straight up dead after a cry for JUSTICE!. Yet he's still around in the game. At the very least he would be beaten up and in the phantom zone or a prison on the moon.
I would imagine that's part of the schism. They're probably going with the "don't kill the Joker, no matter what" type of Batman, so he'd be forced to protect the Joker from a vengful superman.
Which is dumb, but Superman killing Lois is already dumb.
IGN interviewed the author of it, and I haven't seen this posted anywhere yet.
When we last spoke, I told you that this was the hardest thing I’d ever written. This was the moment I was talking about. When I was told that I had to write a comic where my hero was tricked into killing his wife and unborn child, I was horrified. All I’ve ever wanted to do in licensed comics is write Superman. To have to do this to him and to have to do this to Lois, was a task that, frankly, I didn’t relish.
I am the only son of a feminist single mother who worked in a women’s refuge, where I spent a lot of time in my younger years. I have stood beside her on stage at rallies for women’s rights and protests against domestic violence. I am also a husband and father. My creator-owned series, The Deep, which has just been optioned to become an animated TV series, has no violence in its pages. I dislike violence as a rule, and I abhor violence towards women. And so, I made it my mission to find a way where Superman has absolutely no idea of what he was doing. I engineered a situation where, in actuality, he thinks he’s protecting the woman he loves and his unborn child.
I also made it clear to Mike Miller, the artist who drew those incredibly powerful and emotional pages so well, that at no point does Superman strike Lois. Editor Jim Chadwick and I even made sure we tore a hole in the submarine in the previous issue so that Lois wouldn’t be pushed through anything. Superman, severely weakened, drugged and believing Lois is Doomsday, grabs Lois and pushes her into space, where she tragically dies. For some, despite the fact that Superman is drugged and thinks he’s carrying Doomsday, all they could see was a husband killing his wife. I completely understand, and I am sorry for this.
I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like a legitimate apology to me.
Actually Netherrealms' previous game, Mortal Kombat, had the best fighting game story mode ever.
Please tell me you're joking.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
I'd like to write a Krypto comic, but I'm not going to have it be one where the story is about Superman pulling a Michael Vick. I'd just decline until I can get better terms by raising my status as a writer (as he wrote he seems to have something worthwhile in the pipeline). Don't care about your mom being a feminist or all the rallies you went to, you chose to write a comic with a pretty terrible outcome. I don't wish ill on the guy at all but it's kind of hard to take the apology when it's a more carefully worded "you didn't get what I was going for, sorry you misunderstood"
At least Marvel has shown signs of being more female-friendly over the last year or so, what with redesigning some of their more terrible costumes and producing more books headlined by female characters.
This is the first week of Black History Month, a four-week celebration and remembrance of the significant events and people of the African diaspora. For many, myself included, it's a month to reflect on where we've been, as a people and as a nation, and to contemplate exactly where it is we're going. In terms of the comic book industry, an obvious interest and passion of mine, there is one glaring and sobering fact that needs our attention: There is currently not a single black writer working on a monthly series for either of the two biggest comic book publishers in the United States, and precious few working for any of the others.
And yet, this fact has hardly been discussed recently, in the way some other diversity issues are. So what happened, exactly? Why is it that we no longer seem to care about this as much as we once did? Where has our outrage gone?
David Brothers just shared this comic about Dwayne McDuffie, but I don't know. I care, but since I don't have much regard for the comics community I could be missing the whole conversation. I doubt I'm missing anything, though.
IGN interviewed the author of it, and I haven't seen this posted anywhere yet.
When we last spoke, I told you that this was the hardest thing I’d ever written. This was the moment I was talking about. When I was told that I had to write a comic where my hero was tricked into killing his wife and unborn child, I was horrified. All I’ve ever wanted to do in licensed comics is write Superman. To have to do this to him and to have to do this to Lois, was a task that, frankly, I didn’t relish.
I am the only son of a feminist single mother who worked in a women’s refuge, where I spent a lot of time in my younger years. I have stood beside her on stage at rallies for women’s rights and protests against domestic violence. I am also a husband and father. My creator-owned series, The Deep, which has just been optioned to become an animated TV series, has no violence in its pages. I dislike violence as a rule, and I abhor violence towards women. And so, I made it my mission to find a way where Superman has absolutely no idea of what he was doing. I engineered a situation where, in actuality, he thinks he’s protecting the woman he loves and his unborn child.
I also made it clear to Mike Miller, the artist who drew those incredibly powerful and emotional pages so well, that at no point does Superman strike Lois. Editor Jim Chadwick and I even made sure we tore a hole in the submarine in the previous issue so that Lois wouldn’t be pushed through anything. Superman, severely weakened, drugged and believing Lois is Doomsday, grabs Lois and pushes her into space, where she tragically dies. For some, despite the fact that Superman is drugged and thinks he’s carrying Doomsday, all they could see was a husband killing his wife. I completely understand, and I am sorry for this.
I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like a legitimate apology to me.
Not liking a dude or believing an apology is fine but you are being an asshole.
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AntimatterDevo Was RightGates of SteelRegistered Userregular
even if it's fake, it's still a better apology than stuff like Deep Silver's apology for their zombie bait statue for dead island riptide. i'll accept it.
I honestly see where Crimson is coming from, and would have probably preferred for the writer not to say anything. Just bring up his whole past and being a son of a feminist, etc. makes him look like a guy that decides his values weren't as much as either money, or the chance to writer Superman.
He's basically shitting(in the most polite way possible) something someone paid him to create.
At least Marvel has shown signs of being more female-friendly over the last year or so, what with redesigning some of their more terrible costumes and producing more books headlined by female characters.
DC currently has almost double the amount female headlined books over marvel. Not to mention that a good portion of them wearing better outfits. Not much better what with starfire's nipple covers and power girl's new suit apparently being made of wax paper. I guess what I'm trying to say is neither company should be pointing fingers.
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Quoththe RavenMiami, FL FOR REALRegistered Userregular
They can have triple the headlining females... If they're written poorly, quantity is worthless
Wonder woman, sword and sorcery, Batwoman, and supergirl are great books and probably the better books of their lines. I didn't even count books like demon knights, team7, dialh, and I,vampire which kick ass and have very important female leads.
On the one hand, I can totally see taking an assignment that sounds bad, as a challenge. I mean, if DC asked me to reboot the Bloodpack or Global Guardians, I'd be on that in a heartbeat.
I can even see taking a book for a paycheck. Hm? Blue Beetle gets shot in the dick in this one? Yeah, sure, and you're paying me how much? Cool, make sure the check clears!
But, to talk about how Superman means so much to you, and how you really wanted to do the story right, and so on and so forth, all while making it obvious that the story didn't hold much appeal to you, seems like an attempt to have your cake, and murder it by throwing it into space, too.
That said, who cares? It's essentially a What If? story.
Geoff Johns had the sainted Barry Allen murder an entire multiverse, and no one paused to reflect on that one, for too long.
What I find most troubling, is that Mike Miller's apparently still getting work.
I don't read it but I've heard good things about the mother/daughter relationship. Plus, a lot of Internet feminists seem to like it, so it seems to be reaching its target audience.
At least Marvel has shown signs of being more female-friendly over the last year or so, what with redesigning some of their more terrible costumes and producing more books headlined by female characters.
DC currently has almost double the amount female headlined books over marvel. Not to mention that a good portion of them wearing better outfits. Not much better what with starfire's nipple covers and power girl's new suit apparently being made of wax paper. I guess what I'm trying to say is neither company should be pointing fingers.
DC has, to my knowledge:
World's Finest
Catwoman
Birds of Prey
Batgirl
Supergirl
Wonder Woman
Katana, which is a mini.
Marvel has
Journey into Mystery
Captain Marvel
X-Men
Red She-Hulk
Uncanny X-Force
Fearless Defenders
FF
That's not really almost double
And all of Marvel's female cast got pretty great and not cheesecake designs with Marvel Now
And I'm not arguing that marvel doesn't have a good amount of female titles, I'm just saying that Dc has a better amount. Again, not counting the books a brought up in my second comment. Also, I'm pretty sure that katana isn't a mini, but I'm not sure.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
With regards to that black writer thing, I've noticed it's become less about creators as in writers/artists and more just writers. Which is actually a good thing I think, as you've made enough inroads that you now have to qualify your statement to half of what it was. And I read some of those comments on the CA article (which I shouldn't have) and was just amazed to see the idea of not caring about race now being a bad thing. You just can't win sometimes.
As for that David Brothers McDuffie page, it seems rather combative and hostile, and feels less about McDuffie and more that thing people do with any kind of art. "I was a fan of Journey since Look Into The Future, you just started liking them with Infinity, phony"
The storyline, which was always dumb and barely there, got super convoluted so they rebooted it and weren't afraid to do things different.
That plus that fact that it was a coherent storyline with multiple characters and seamless cut scene to fight integration made it head and shoulders above the standard for the genre
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WearingglassesOf the friendly neighborhood varietyRegistered Userregular
The story mode is a cool thing the new Mortal Kombat did. The story itself is a "Your mileage may vary" thing, but it seems fit for Mortal Kombat.
That said, it really doesn't fit if they tried to apply the MK grimdarkness to DC.
That said, who cares? It's essentially a What If? story.
See, here's the thing. Well, two things.
Firstly, What If stories and the like are one of the few kinds of stories - at least for long-running largely immutable cash-cows like the DC/Marvel universe - where writers know they can do whatever they like, without the risk of someone coming in and putting everything right back where it was as soon as they're finished. Some dozy prick from The Comics Journal apparently once wrote that the actual What If comics tend to end with everything going to shit because of some quasi-religious need to assure readers that the 'real' Marvel universe is the best of all possible worlds. No, you silly mimsy woowoo, they tend to end with everything going to shit because they can, and no writer who spends most of their time confined to the illusion of change is going to pass up that opportunity.[*]
Secondly, if you're writing a What If, or an alternative universe, or a story set in the future, or similar. one of the easiest and most obvious ways to create drama is to present a situation the opposite of the status quo. This guy is a hero? Surprise, he's a villain now! This guy was the fastest man on Earth? Surprise, he's got no legs now! If you look at all the alternative futures and 'imaginary' stories involving Superman DC published before 1996, the vast majority involve him being married, because a lot of his time was spent making sure he didn't get married. But then he got married for 'real'. And stayed married for more than 20 years. Superman being married became the status quo. And if you look at the 'alternative' stories, you see them shift to the marriage breaking up...
...And no writer wants to try and wring drama out of ten pages of Clark Kent speaking to his divorce lawyer. One of 'em has to die, and it ain't gonna be Superman!
This isn't to say the widely noted current rash of Lois Lane being deaded in various stories isn't problematic and sexist in practice, but rather that the sexism stems not from DC's writers and editors sitting around a table plotting how to deliberately annoy female readers whilst cackling like cartoon supervillains (which some people on the internet seem to think is a situation that actually happens), but from their failure to think through the wider consequences when dealing with some rather fundamental problems that arise when characters hang around in continuous publication for seven decades but are almost never allowed to really change.
TL;DR: Cor, it's a funny old game, innit, eh?
[*]Plus, as anyone who read What If Jessica Jones Had Joined The Avengers will tell you, stories that go "Well if this had happened instead, everything would have been pretty ok", are really fucking boring.
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Then the regular dick comes back but has blue electricity powers.
Then a few years later DC reboots the whole dick thing.
What feels weird about the Injustice plot is that if Joker killed Lois in that manner, and then Superman would take over the world, I'm pretty sure Joker would be straight up dead after a cry for JUSTICE!. Yet he's still around in the game. At the very least he would be beaten up and in the phantom zone or a prison on the moon.
Which is dumb, but Superman killing Lois is already dumb.
IGN interviewed the author of it, and I haven't seen this posted anywhere yet.
I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like a legitimate apology to me.
Please tell me you're joking.
At least Marvel has shown signs of being more female-friendly over the last year or so, what with redesigning some of their more terrible costumes and producing more books headlined by female characters.
also, i dont remember seeing this linked here:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/02/04/black-writers-comic-book-industry/
Image. Oni. Monkeybrain. There are more, but I wouldn't say it applies to DC or Marvel.
Whores are paid to be sincere.
Don't like it? Walk. There is no person whose well-being is contingent on writing a fucking licensed Superman comic.
This isn't your forum.
Not liking a dude or believing an apology is fine but you are being an asshole.
He's basically shitting(in the most polite way possible) something someone paid him to create.
But "Whores are paid to be sincere"? You couldn't think of a better way to say that?
DC currently has almost double the amount female headlined books over marvel. Not to mention that a good portion of them wearing better outfits. Not much better what with starfire's nipple covers and power girl's new suit apparently being made of wax paper. I guess what I'm trying to say is neither company should be pointing fingers.
On the one hand, I can totally see taking an assignment that sounds bad, as a challenge. I mean, if DC asked me to reboot the Bloodpack or Global Guardians, I'd be on that in a heartbeat.
I can even see taking a book for a paycheck. Hm? Blue Beetle gets shot in the dick in this one? Yeah, sure, and you're paying me how much? Cool, make sure the check clears!
But, to talk about how Superman means so much to you, and how you really wanted to do the story right, and so on and so forth, all while making it obvious that the story didn't hold much appeal to you, seems like an attempt to have your cake, and murder it by throwing it into space, too.
That said, who cares? It's essentially a What If? story.
Geoff Johns had the sainted Barry Allen murder an entire multiverse, and no one paused to reflect on that one, for too long.
What I find most troubling, is that Mike Miller's apparently still getting work.
Because for real, fuck that dude.
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like, it is one of the worst books DC publishes
That said, Hawkeye is the best female right now, aw yeah
I don't read it but I've heard good things about the mother/daughter relationship. Plus, a lot of Internet feminists seem to like it, so it seems to be reaching its target audience.
World's Finest
Catwoman
Birds of Prey
Batgirl
Supergirl
Wonder Woman
Katana, which is a mini.
Marvel has
Journey into Mystery
Captain Marvel
X-Men
Red She-Hulk
Uncanny X-Force
Fearless Defenders
FF
That's not really almost double
And all of Marvel's female cast got pretty great and not cheesecake designs with Marvel Now
What? No it's not.
It's not the best, but it's definitely better than its first issue attempted-gang-rape.
And there are a lot worse books being published by DC
As for that David Brothers McDuffie page, it seems rather combative and hostile, and feels less about McDuffie and more that thing people do with any kind of art. "I was a fan of Journey since Look Into The Future, you just started liking them with Infinity, phony"
The storyline, which was always dumb and barely there, got super convoluted so they rebooted it and weren't afraid to do things different.
That plus that fact that it was a coherent storyline with multiple characters and seamless cut scene to fight integration made it head and shoulders above the standard for the genre
That said, it really doesn't fit if they tried to apply the MK grimdarkness to DC.
See, here's the thing. Well, two things.
Firstly, What If stories and the like are one of the few kinds of stories - at least for long-running largely immutable cash-cows like the DC/Marvel universe - where writers know they can do whatever they like, without the risk of someone coming in and putting everything right back where it was as soon as they're finished. Some dozy prick from The Comics Journal apparently once wrote that the actual What If comics tend to end with everything going to shit because of some quasi-religious need to assure readers that the 'real' Marvel universe is the best of all possible worlds. No, you silly mimsy woowoo, they tend to end with everything going to shit because they can, and no writer who spends most of their time confined to the illusion of change is going to pass up that opportunity.[*]
Secondly, if you're writing a What If, or an alternative universe, or a story set in the future, or similar. one of the easiest and most obvious ways to create drama is to present a situation the opposite of the status quo. This guy is a hero? Surprise, he's a villain now! This guy was the fastest man on Earth? Surprise, he's got no legs now! If you look at all the alternative futures and 'imaginary' stories involving Superman DC published before 1996, the vast majority involve him being married, because a lot of his time was spent making sure he didn't get married. But then he got married for 'real'. And stayed married for more than 20 years. Superman being married became the status quo. And if you look at the 'alternative' stories, you see them shift to the marriage breaking up...
...And no writer wants to try and wring drama out of ten pages of Clark Kent speaking to his divorce lawyer. One of 'em has to die, and it ain't gonna be Superman!
This isn't to say the widely noted current rash of Lois Lane being deaded in various stories isn't problematic and sexist in practice, but rather that the sexism stems not from DC's writers and editors sitting around a table plotting how to deliberately annoy female readers whilst cackling like cartoon supervillains (which some people on the internet seem to think is a situation that actually happens), but from their failure to think through the wider consequences when dealing with some rather fundamental problems that arise when characters hang around in continuous publication for seven decades but are almost never allowed to really change.
TL;DR: Cor, it's a funny old game, innit, eh?
[*]Plus, as anyone who read What If Jessica Jones Had Joined The Avengers will tell you, stories that go "Well if this had happened instead, everything would have been pretty ok", are really fucking boring.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!