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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Jimothy wrote: »
    Man

    Knox's actor really got typecast, didn't he?

    He plays two different characters in Buffy and Angel that are both essentially
    seemingly friendly/casual nice guy that happens to be evil.

    I mean that's a pretty specific niche.

    in Firefly too

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    it's pretty clearly implied that darla and drusilla and spike and angel spent most of the nineteenth century fucking one another's brains out in various exotic locales

    TURNS OUT VAMPIRES ARE ABOUT SEX

    WHOOPS

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Ah, yes, but neither Angel nor Spike ever had both Darla and Dru at the same time. That's made rather clear.

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    LarlarLarlar consecutive normal brunches Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    The Geek wrote: »
    that's a terrible ship and you should feel ashamed

    Yes, shipping is absolutely something to be ashamed of.

    You just shipped a ship and a trashcan.

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Larlar wrote: »
    The Geek wrote: »
    that's a terrible ship and you should feel ashamed

    Yes, shipping is absolutely something to be ashamed of.

    You just shipped a ship and a trashcan.

    What?

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    LarlarLarlar consecutive normal brunches Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    The Geek wrote: »
    Larlar wrote: »
    The Geek wrote: »
    that's a terrible ship and you should feel ashamed

    Yes, shipping is absolutely something to be ashamed of.

    You just shipped a ship and a trashcan.

    What?

    It's a metal cylinder you put trash in.

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Ah, yes, but neither Angel nor Spike ever had both Darla and Dru at the same time. That's made rather clear.

    when is that made clear

    before spike came along it was just angel cruising europe with the ladies, there is basically no way they didn't all get up to shenanigans

    i mean for all we know they were all perfectly chaste, it's never made explicit, but on the other hand that's the subtext of every vampire story every

    also watching it again is hilarious how clearly darla finds dru tiresome and is just humouring angel

    "yeah babe, she's so cute and funny and random. what's that? no not tonight, i got a headache. you guys have fun"

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Ah, yes, but neither Angel nor Spike ever had both Darla and Dru at the same time. That's made rather clear.

    when is that made clear

    "Concurrently!?"

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Ah, yes, but neither Angel nor Spike ever had both Darla and Dru at the same time. That's made rather clear.

    when is that made clear

    before spike came along it was just angel cruising europe with the ladies, there is basically no way they didn't all get up to shenanigans

    i mean for all we know they were all perfectly chaste, it's never made explicit, but on the other hand that's the subtext of every vampire story every

    also watching it again is hilarious how clearly darla finds dru tiresome and is just humouring angel

    "yeah babe, she's so cute and funny and random. what's that? no not tonight, i got a headache. you guys have fun"

    Its made clear in the episode with the Immortal. You know, when they catch him in a threeway with the two and rage at never having had the pleasure.

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    Finished my Angel rewatch/Buffy (mostly) first watch last night.

    I think I have a lot of thoughts, but they aren't really coming to mind. But I can more fully participate in conversations.

    Oh:

    I was going back through the thread and reading spoilers and such and I was surprised that I guess no one likes Kennedy? I didn't notice anything offensive about her, she seemed about as neutral as a character could be. Was it that people saw her as a Tara replacement? Because (aside from a couple episodes) I was pretty neutral on her too.

    Something that occurred to me while watching the shows is that, with so much of the mythos revolving around vampires specifically (more than the other demons), some of the other supernatural characters seemed like they might have started life as a twist on traditional vamps. Like the first time Glory was feeding, I wondered if the writers had thought "psychic vampire" and developed her from there. Illyria has other traits associated with vampires in the show-- she looks and sounds like a particular dead person, and even has their memories and some personality traits, but that person is dead and gone from that body. And now that I'm typing this, I guess the First is kinda like that too.

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    having done the whole sick parent thing i think i just have no patience whatsoever for watching it happen on the television

    you can't actually do anything about it? that's sort of how it works? so as a plotline it's super inactive and mostly just consists of people sitting in waiting rooms wearing dumb shocked expressions

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Jimothy wrote: »
    Something that occurred to me while watching the shows is that, with so much of the mythos revolving around vampires specifically (more than the other demons), some of the other supernatural characters seemed like they might have started life as a twist on traditional vamps. Like the first time Glory was feeding, I wondered if the writers had thought "psychic vampire" and developed her from there. Illyria has other traits associated with vampires in the show-- she looks and sounds like a particular dead person, and even has their memories and some personality traits, but that person is dead and gone from that body. And now that I'm typing this, I guess the First is kinda like that too.

    I think this is more a matter of metaphor than mythology

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Jimothy wrote: »
    Something that occurred to me while watching the shows is that, with so much of the mythos revolving around vampires specifically (more than the other demons), some of the other supernatural characters seemed like they might have started life as a twist on traditional vamps. Like the first time Glory was feeding, I wondered if the writers had thought "psychic vampire" and developed her from there. Illyria has other traits associated with vampires in the show-- she looks and sounds like a particular dead person, and even has their memories and some personality traits, but that person is dead and gone from that body. And now that I'm typing this, I guess the First is kinda like that too.

    I think this is more a matter of metaphor than mythology

    That's what I mean-- I didn't mean that Glory is literally related to vamps in any way. But I thought it was neat that even when Buffy wasn't slaying vampires, her villains were still sometimes a different take on the concept, rather than something wholly separate from her title and job description.

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    scherbchenscherbchen Asgard (it is dead)Registered User regular
    Jimothy wrote: »

    I was going back through the thread and reading spoilers and such and I was surprised that I guess no one likes Kennedy? I didn't notice anything offensive about her, she seemed about as neutral as a character could be. Was it that people saw her as a Tara replacement? Because (aside from a couple episodes) I was pretty neutral on her too.

    yeah I never really got the hate for Kennedy either. I liked her.

    well I guess I can kind of see where the hate comes from (Tara replacement, pushy brat, undermining Buffy) but it never really bothered me to the point where I did not go "yay, good for you, Willow"

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    I was never particularly attached to Tara, so I assure you my vehement dislike of Kennedy is entirely about how goddamn unbearable she is.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Re: Cordy's character progression in Angel, I liked this little exchange from the first season
    Cordelia: So, here I am at Le Petit Renard with Mr. Armani, who could keep me in blue boxes for the rest of my life.
    Angel: Blue boxes.
    Cordelia: Tiffany's! God! And the whole night I was bored silly. All I could think about was, if this wimp saw a monster, he'd probably throw a shoe at it and run like a weasel. Turns out, the shoe part was giving him too much credit.
    Angel: There aren't very many people who wouldn't run. It's just human nature.
    Cordelia: Yeah. ... But all of a sudden "rich and handsome" isn't good enough for me. Now I expect a guy to be all brave and interesting. And it's your fault. Both of you.

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Not single thing about
    Cordy and Angel getting together
    made even the tiniest bit of sense.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    The Geek wrote: »
    Not single thing about
    Cordy and Angel getting together
    made even the tiniest bit of sense.

    More or less agree
    I enjoyed when they played with idea. Like the episode with the ballet, but when they finally got together it was like.....ehhh

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    Devlin_DragonusDevlin_Dragonus Gorgeous Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    edited December 2013
    Tox wrote: »
    The Geek wrote: »
    Not single thing about
    Cordy and Angel getting together
    made even the tiniest bit of sense.

    More or less agree
    I enjoyed when they played with idea. Like the episode with the ballet, but when they finally got together it was like.....ehhh

    What i did like about the idea was that Angel has a way to at least be with someone, romantically. He wasn't that bound by the curse, he just couldn't be with that one true love who invoked perfect happiness.

    Although they also covered this during Season 5 as well and did a much better job at it.

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    nicopernicusnicopernicus Registered User regular
    I'm currently watching the season 3 finale of Buffy. This has been my favorite season so far! The Mayor is just so good. Also the kiss between
    Cordy and Wesley
    was the most wonderful awkward thing ever. Great!

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    GaryOGaryO Registered User regular
    Season 3 finale was probably my favourite episode of Buffy that isn't Hush.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    But the best season 3 episode is The Zeppo

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Xander episodes are all pretty much the best

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    nicopernicusnicopernicus Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    Does that mean I'm alone in my Xander hate?

    Edit- Also that was post #1000!

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    theSquidtheSquid Sydney, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    I guess you can hate Xander if Joss Whedon stand in characters annoy you (Wash, Topher)

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    there are plenty of people who hate Xander


    mostly hardcore Buffy/Angel shippers

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    I remember Xander was vilified for years on some Buffy forums because...
    ...he didn't relay Willow's message to Buffy in the Season 2 finale.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    yup

    hardcore Buffy/Angel shippers

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    nicopernicusnicopernicus Registered User regular
    Hate is a strong word, but I really didn't like the way he acted after Cordelia and he were no longer a thing. You messed up man, own it. Again I'm only to the end of season 3. Zeppo alone was almost enough to make me like him more.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    he does a lot to make it up to Cordy over the back half of season 3, dude knows he fucked up.

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    nicopernicusnicopernicus Registered User regular
    That's true. He was pretty cool about her secret and dress. Funny thing is I really like Topher and Wash... I don't know what it is that rubs me the wrong way. I'll give him another chance as I watch this next season tough.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    I've recently restarted watching through Buffy. This will be my 2nd time through and ecco's first. We're about halfway through Season 2 Buffy (Phases being the last episode we watched last night).

    I've got the first 3 season of Buffy handy and the first 4 seasons of angel in the wings, for when that becomes relevant.

    It's amazing to me how much the show managed to stick with me though. I've remembered almost every single episode so far, after only seeing them once (i never watched either show when it was on tv).

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    nicopernicusnicopernicus Registered User regular
    I'm using the guide posted earlier to watch Buffy and Angel concurrently, and I really love the set up of Angel as a private eye. Thanks to whoever posted that!

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    JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    edited December 2013
    Just remembered something

    Conversations with Dead People:
    Was there ever any follow-up to Dawn's encounter? I felt it pretty obviously wasn't Joyce, but it also wasn't the First-- the First wouldn't be able to cut Dawn or make such a mess of their house. And if it was Joyce, as Dawn believed, than what was supposedly fighting her?

    And there wasn't any big moment later in the season of Buffy choosing something over Dawn (although she did tell Giles that in retrospect, she might've sacrificed Dawn in season 5), and Dawn didn't have any huge trust issues against her sister (kicking her out of the house was for a different reason altogether and not just a Dawn thing)

    Edit: From Wikipedia:
    On the DVD commentary for the show, Jane Espenson revealed that the image of Joyce is The First. In the original draft of the script, Dawn was going to try to raise her mother. When Joyce appeared, she was to say, "They said I couldn't bring someone back." To which The First/Joyce would reply: "Maybe I'm the First."

    Still doesn't fit.

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    Devlin_DragonusDevlin_Dragonus Gorgeous Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    Jimothy wrote: »
    Just remembered something

    Conversations with Dead People:
    Was there ever any follow-up to Dawn's encounter? I felt it pretty obviously wasn't Joyce, but it also wasn't the First-- the First wouldn't be able to cut Dawn or make such a mess of their house. And if it was Joyce, as Dawn believed, than what was supposedly fighting her?

    And there wasn't any big moment later in the season of Buffy choosing something over Dawn (although she did tell Giles that in retrospect, she might've sacrificed Dawn in season 5), and Dawn didn't have any huge trust issues against her sister (kicking her out of the house was for a different reason altogether and not just a Dawn thing)

    Edit: From Wikipedia:
    On the DVD commentary for the show, Jane Espenson revealed that the image of Joyce is The First. In the original draft of the script, Dawn was going to try to raise her mother. When Joyce appeared, she was to say, "They said I couldn't bring someone back." To which The First/Joyce would reply: "Maybe I'm the First."

    Still doesn't fit.

    This is from a Buffy Wiki,
    On the DVD commentary for the show, Jane Espenson revealed that the image of Joyce was actually The First. In the original draft of the script, Dawn was going to try to raise her mother. When Joyce appeared, she was to say "They said I couldn't bring someone back." To which The First/Joyce would reply: "Maybe I'm the First."

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    It's been a while, but I believe that episode went through a bunch of rewrites.

    Offhand, I think I remember...
    Xander and Anya got cut from the episode (I think it might be the only episode in the series that Xander doesn't appear in?). Xander was supposed to encounter Jesse (his best friend from the very first episode that was killed and never mentioned again), and I don't remember who Anya was supposed to encounter.
    The girl Willow encountered was also originally supposed to be Tara, but Amber Benson refused to come back because she thought it would be unfair to the fans for the last time they see Tara she was an evil representation of the First trying to get Willow to commit suicide.

    It also shows how much of a clusterfuck the writing had become at that point when they couldn't get the details of their Big Bad right and they kill off Jonathan for no reason (seriously, it doesn't even accomplish the villain's goals) and let Andrew basically get away with it completely (aside from Buffy making him cry later).

    I'm actually not a big fan of that episode.

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    scherbchenscherbchen Asgard (it is dead)Registered User regular
    edited December 2013
    oh Buffy thread, how I have missed you :D

    and I really like Conversations with dead people. buffy's foe makes it all work.

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    ValleoValleo Registered User regular
    Lars wrote: »
    It's been a while, but I believe that episode went through a bunch of rewrites.

    Offhand, I think I remember...
    Xander and Anya got cut from the episode (I think it might be the only episode in the series that Xander doesn't appear in?). Xander was supposed to encounter Jesse (his best friend from the very first episode that was killed and never mentioned again), and I don't remember who Anya was supposed to encounter.
    The girl Willow encountered was also originally supposed to be Tara, but Amber Benson refused to come back because she thought it would be unfair to the fans for the last time they see Tara she was an evil representation of the First trying to get Willow to commit suicide.

    It also shows how much of a clusterfuck the writing had become at that point when they couldn't get the details of their Big Bad right and they kill off Jonathan for no reason (seriously, it doesn't even accomplish the villain's goals) and let Andrew basically get away with it completely (aside from Buffy making him cry later).

    I'm actually not a big fan of that episode.

    If I had to guess I would say
    Halfrek would have appeared to Anya, but I can't remember if she died before that episode, since bolth were season 7

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    Devlin_DragonusDevlin_Dragonus Gorgeous Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    Even so, I always assumed that Dawns Encounter was the First, if i remember right it was brought up later on as well and verified.

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    Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    Valleo wrote: »
    Lars wrote: »
    It's been a while, but I believe that episode went through a bunch of rewrites.

    Offhand, I think I remember...
    Xander and Anya got cut from the episode (I think it might be the only episode in the series that Xander doesn't appear in?). Xander was supposed to encounter Jesse (his best friend from the very first episode that was killed and never mentioned again), and I don't remember who Anya was supposed to encounter.
    The girl Willow encountered was also originally supposed to be Tara, but Amber Benson refused to come back because she thought it would be unfair to the fans for the last time they see Tara she was an evil representation of the First trying to get Willow to commit suicide.

    It also shows how much of a clusterfuck the writing had become at that point when they couldn't get the details of their Big Bad right and they kill off Jonathan for no reason (seriously, it doesn't even accomplish the villain's goals) and let Andrew basically get away with it completely (aside from Buffy making him cry later).

    I'm actually not a big fan of that episode.

    If I had to guess I would say
    Halfrek would have appeared to Anya, but I can't remember if she died before that episode, since bolth were season 7

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