While I don't think Nintendo is DoooOoooOomed I do feel like they are not playing the same game as Sony or Microsoft.
It's like Sony and Microsoft are over there playing Monopoly and Nintendo is playing Hungry Hungry Hippos by itself.
I also feel like Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about third-parties and honestly I feel it has been that way for years now. Not sure when it started though. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, like I already mentioned they seem to be playing a totally different game then Sony or Microsoft and so far it seems to be doing right by them.
More like Sony and MS are playing Blackjack and Nintendo is over there playing 500.
And it takes 2 to tango. AMERICAN 3rd parties don't give a fuck about Nintendo. Nintendo has been giving many 3rd parties sweet publishing deals in the last couple of years. Examples: Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Bayonetta 2 and a bunch of stuff that Nintendo publishes in the west that otherwise wouldn't come over.
To be honest, many western 3rd parties come off as arrogant and snobbish when talking about Nintendo.
While I don't think Nintendo is DoooOoooOomed I do feel like they are not playing the same game as Sony or Microsoft.
It's like Sony and Microsoft are over there playing Monopoly and Nintendo is playing Hungry Hungry Hippos by itself.
I also feel like Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about third-parties and honestly I feel it has been that way for years now. Not sure when it started though. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, like I already mentioned they seem to be playing a totally different game then Sony or Microsoft and so far it seems to be doing right by them.
More like Sony and MS are playing Blackjack and Nintendo is over there playing 500.
And it takes 2 to tango. AMERICAN 3rd parties don't give a fuck about Nintendo. Nintendo has been giving many 3rd parties sweet publishing deals in the last couple of years. Examples: Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Bayonetta 2 and a bunch of stuff that Nintendo publishes in the west that otherwise wouldn't come over.
To be honest, many western 3rd parties come off as arrogant and snobbish when talking about Nintendo.
I talked about this in another thread on the board, and I think it comes down to the difference in mindset between Western and Japanese developers.
Nintendo, as basically the premiere Japanese game developer, showcases the mentality that often goes into Japanese games: learning and thriving within rules and systems is something that is valued. Japanese games have "gamey", mechanical things like 30-hit combos and numbers out the wazoo and like to emphasize mastery over the systems put in place. Western games also have those things, but there's been a trend to make gameplay fit organically within the game's environment and narrative.
Nintendo has been trying to give developers unique ways to play with gameplay systems, but hasn't been doing nearly as much to cater to Western developers' desire for more seamless interaction.
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While I don't think Nintendo is DoooOoooOomed I do feel like they are not playing the same game as Sony or Microsoft.
It's like Sony and Microsoft are over there playing Monopoly and Nintendo is playing Hungry Hungry Hippos by itself.
I also feel like Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about third-parties and honestly I feel it has been that way for years now. Not sure when it started though. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, like I already mentioned they seem to be playing a totally different game then Sony or Microsoft and so far it seems to be doing right by them.
More like Sony and MS are playing Blackjack and Nintendo is over there playing 500.
And it takes 2 to tango. AMERICAN 3rd parties don't give a fuck about Nintendo. Nintendo has been giving many 3rd parties sweet publishing deals in the last couple of years. Examples: Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Bayonetta 2 and a bunch of stuff that Nintendo publishes in the west that otherwise wouldn't come over.
To be honest, many western 3rd parties come off as arrogant and snobbish when talking about Nintendo.
Well I can agree you have a point that it takes two to tango, I don't think it is fair to single out American or Western 3rd party devs as there seems to be just as many Japanese 3rd party devs who don't really bother with Nintendo consoles either.
edit- The reason why is pretty straight forward. Money. It is cheaper to make a game for, say, the Xbox 360 and port it over to the PS3 since both consoles are comparable in power and the controllers are functionally identical. Whereas porting something to the Wii (and now Wii U) would require more effort and money. Even when they do port a game over, it often turns out crappy since they don't take the time and money to do it properly. Granted, that isn't always the case. As with everything there are exceptions.
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While I don't think Nintendo is DoooOoooOomed I do feel like they are not playing the same game as Sony or Microsoft.
It's like Sony and Microsoft are over there playing Monopoly and Nintendo is playing Hungry Hungry Hippos by itself.
I also feel like Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about third-parties and honestly I feel it has been that way for years now. Not sure when it started though. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, like I already mentioned they seem to be playing a totally different game then Sony or Microsoft and so far it seems to be doing right by them.
More like Sony and MS are playing Blackjack and Nintendo is over there playing 500.
And it takes 2 to tango. AMERICAN 3rd parties don't give a fuck about Nintendo. Nintendo has been giving many 3rd parties sweet publishing deals in the last couple of years. Examples: Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Bayonetta 2 and a bunch of stuff that Nintendo publishes in the west that otherwise wouldn't come over.
To be honest, many western 3rd parties come off as arrogant and snobbish when talking about Nintendo.
Well I can agree you have a point that it takes two to tango, I don't think it is fair to single out American or Western 3rd party devs as there seems to be just as many Japanese 3rd party devs who don't really bother with Nintendo consoles either.
I don't get that impression. Is there a comparison chart showing companies that support one platform or another? Japanese game companies were pretty well represented on the Wii.
Or do you mean they don't "bother" in the sense that they still release games for it, but just don't bring their A game?
While I don't think Nintendo is DoooOoooOomed I do feel like they are not playing the same game as Sony or Microsoft.
It's like Sony and Microsoft are over there playing Monopoly and Nintendo is playing Hungry Hungry Hippos by itself.
I also feel like Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about third-parties and honestly I feel it has been that way for years now. Not sure when it started though. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, like I already mentioned they seem to be playing a totally different game then Sony or Microsoft and so far it seems to be doing right by them.
More like Sony and MS are playing Blackjack and Nintendo is over there playing 500.
And it takes 2 to tango. AMERICAN 3rd parties don't give a fuck about Nintendo. Nintendo has been giving many 3rd parties sweet publishing deals in the last couple of years. Examples: Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Bayonetta 2 and a bunch of stuff that Nintendo publishes in the west that otherwise wouldn't come over.
To be honest, many western 3rd parties come off as arrogant and snobbish when talking about Nintendo.
Well I can agree you have a point that it takes two to tango, I don't think it is fair to single out American or Western 3rd party devs as there seems to be just as many Japanese 3rd party devs who don't really bother with Nintendo consoles either.
I don't get that impression. Is there a comparison chart showing companies that support one platform or another? Japanese game companies were pretty well represented on the Wii.
Or do you mean they don't "bother" in the sense that they still release games for it, but just don't bring their A game?
Yes on the second thing. In fact instead of saying "bother" I almost wrote "pays lip service to".
edit- To be honest I have no real info to back it up, it is just my feelings on the matter.
Here is a big ass list of games released for the Wii. Oddly enough, at least at first glance, it looks like far and away more games were released in NA (and even EU) then in Japan for the Wii. That seems a bit odd to me.
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I sometimes wonder if Nintendo might do better to cultivate some of the smaller digital delivery based developers for their new platform rather than chasing the bigger Western titles. Things like FTL, Fez, Torchlight 2, Mark of the Ninja and Minecraft just feel to me like a natural fit for the WiiU and its audience. Remember when Geometry Wars was the "essential" gaming experience in the early days of the 360? Those kinds of games could really be show casing the capabilities of the tablet and off screen play, with a relatively low financial risk. They would also be giving WiiU gamers something to talk about and do in these dryer months.
Hell, they could even go after some kickstarter projects. Shadownrun was on the SNES/Genesis, now its spiritual successor is on every touch based platform but the WiiU.
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I sometimes wonder if Nintendo might do better to cultivate some of the smaller digital delivery based developers for their new platform rather than chasing the bigger Western titles. Things like FTL, Fez, Torchlight 2, Mark of the Ninja and Minecraft just feel to me like a natural fit for the WiiU and its audience. Remember when Geometry Wars was the "essential" gaming experience in the early days of the 360? Those kinds of games could really be show casing the capabilities of the tablet and off screen play, with a relatively low financial risk. They would also be giving WiiU gamers something to talk about and do in these dryer months.
Hell, they could even go after some kickstarter projects. Shadownrun was on the SNES/Genesis, now its spiritual successor is on every touch based platform but the WiiU.
You mean like how the Trine guys have heaped praise on Nintendo, or the World of Goo guys launching Little Inferno on the system?
Nintendo is doing a lot more cultivating/supporting of developers than i've seen in recent memory, with the exception of giving out money hats. Unfortunately, the people who are complaining about them are people who thrive off money hats, and are used to getting them from Microsoft/Sony.
Edit: Somehow I missed the 5 pages of back and forth on endcaps and console design in terms of the industry. I'm going to go back and lurk again.
I'll also point out that the Wii U kiosks I have seen very prominently show off the new console. It's not displayed vertically like the Wii was, and it's all illuminated and such.
there's a lot of talk about wii-u marketing, and i don't really think it matters when it comes to consoles. the biggest market for consoles, aside from us 20 something dudes, is little kids. little kids know exactly what to ask for for christmas. i've spoken to mothers who know exactly what a wii-u is (she had bought two for her kids). both audiences use the internet and are very much tapped into 'gaming culture'; watching wii-u unboxing and new mario gameplay enviously on youtube.
everyone who knows about the console launch either gets it day one or as a gift, in my opinion
Questions
1) Keywords for 2013.
2) What will your company do?
3) Other.
Square Enix
1) Shift to online service.
2) Preparing to establish MMO and social games and strengthen IPs.
3) Expect a lot of packaged software and online mobile titles.
Idea Factory
1) We want to liven up the game industry with players.
2) We our investing our energy into multiple titles for home gaming.
Aqua Plus
1) Break boundaries! We want to break down the limits together with everyone and go beyond.
2) Challenge new things, even try challenging a new platform, as well as put our best efforts towards titles already announced.
Atlus
1) Reform.
2) We want to expand the Atlus brand on various stages like media mix, collaborations, etc.
3) Expect development of a new Devil Survivor 2 game project.
Gust
1) We want it to be a year of development
2) As a subsidiary of Tecmo Koei, we want to further improve our existing series while also challenging new IPs.
Kadokawa Games
1) New challenges.
2) To be completely new.
Capcom
1) No answer.
2) No answer.
Tecmo Koei
1) Nobunaga’s Ambition 30th anniversary. A new challenge.
2) To become the number one entertainment content provider in the world. (They touched on Yaiba a little, but platforms are still unknown. Toukiden was not touched upon.)
Konami
1) One new amusement after the other.
2) It’s “top secret,” so it’s not possible to say.
Spike Chunsoft
1) Want to challenge everything and do an unexpected title.
2) Of course we want to grow our existing IP. Also, we want to do our best to localize games in the west. There are a number of new projects just before announcement. There is also a movement to make an anime from the Dangan Ronpa series.
Sega
1) Leap year.
2) A wide range of completely new series, net games, etc. Attract consumers in both the home and arcade games market.
Sony Computer Entertainment
1) A year of great laughter! I think people around the world will smile and be cheerful.
2) The PlayStation platform will expand.
D3 Publisher
1) Unexpectedness.
2) Ambitious new works.
Nippon Ichi Software
1) Challenge and improve.
2) We want to reflect on the drastic things we did as a medium sized company, and raise our abilities. July 12 is our 20th anniversary festival. There is a game that’ll be a consumer version of ZX. Hardware is undecided at the moment.
Nihon Falcom
1) The Legend of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki will be released. The Kiseki brand will see a boost.
2) We want more people to know and play Falcom games.
Microsoft Japan
1) We want existing and new users’ fun to be tied together and spread out across the year.
2) Xbox will create new values that strengthen the brand. Windows 8 and Smart phone coordination is planned. Expect a year where users cannot turn off the Xbox.
Nintendo
1) No answer.
2) No answer.
Namco Bandai
1) Challenge! Evolution! Growth!
2) Develop without being seized by platform or form.
5pb.
1) Even more user expansion and Asian development expansion.
2) Science adventure games are our focus, our core layer, with the exception of sound games. We want to develop original content for multiple platforms especially ports for iPhone.
Platinum Games
1) Fight the world as a Japan representative.
2) Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, The Wonderful 101, and Bayonetta 2. Although it can’t be shared with the public yet, the action which leads to the following step has already been taken.
From Software
1) New challenges and hangups.
2) It’s Dark Souls 2 development year. There are also plans for a new topic.
Bethesda Softworks
1) Zwei.
2) Zwei.
Marvelous AQL
1) Go further.
Level-5
1) We’re aiming for success in new business involving social games and smartphone games, etc.
2) Fantasy Life is already on sale, but from hereafter it’ll be the first of a larger series, I’m thinking of plans for the next one. I want to liven up the entertainment industry as a whole.
Nintendo I can excuse for giving no answers because they just started this week off by giving some fucking answers indirectly.
But Capcom not giving answers has me fucking rolling, oh my god is that hysterical.
Well they can't come out and say that they're going to nickel and dime their customers even harder, can they?
In all seriousness though, while that small and ultimately insignificant question sheet being unanswered doesn't really mean much, they do seem to have been lacking focus for a few years. I have no idea what the fuck they're trying to do.
Their strategy of banking on Dragon's Dogma succeeding and outsourcing everything else didn't go to well and RE6 was a critical flop. Their fighting games aren't selling well, public opinion on DmC has improved but not nearly as much as it should have, and Remember Me is getting virtually no buzz at all. They have Monster Hunter left, and while that's a pretty fucking awesome boon it seems to be the only thing really going for them these days. They also lost tons of goodwill from their customers, I think they'd be shitting their pants by now if they're sane.
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It tells me that Capcom isn't interested in the fun side of making video games anymore. But they couldn't even come up with PR statements for the business angle.
On a more serious note... what does Capcom have slated for this year anyway? Resident Evil 6 is out the door, SF x Tekken came and went, Dragon's Dogma is out. What do they have on the table? I seriously can't think of anything except the Devil May Cry reboot, but that's being developed by an outside studio isn't it?
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I believe the expansion (or DLC if you will) for Dragon's Dogma is slated this year. I think Dragon's Dogma was one of Capcom's best selling games for 2012.
edit- Yeah, otherwise I have no idea.
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On a more serious note... what does Capcom have slated for this year anyway? Resident Evil 6 is out the door, SF x Tekken came and went, Dragon's Dogma is out. What do they have on the table? I seriously can't think of anything except the Devil May Cry reboot, but that's being developed by an outside studio isn't it?
They have Monster Hunter 4 in Japan and Tri Ultimate on the WiiU and 3DS everywhere else.
Is Remember Me developed in house or by someone else?
Outsourced.
There was that Darkstalkers/Vampire teaser a few months ago, although that's probably going to be outsourced like all of their other fighting games. I don't know if that's actually in development though.
Other than that, Remember Me and MH4 there's nothing we actually know. I doubt that they're going to split their entire workforce on two games again seeing as how bad it worked out for them, but we'll have to see.
There was some published research a while back that showed that although it was the market leader in terms of install base, the Wii received something like 20% of the playtime per user than the PS3 and Xbox 360. A lot of people bought one, played it a bit, then put it in a drawer never to be seen again.
This, in my opinion, is the reason the Wii U is not coming close to Wii's sales. A LOT of people felt burned by the Wii and will not pay almost double the cash for something that has not even been clearly established as a brand new system.
And to whoever was saying that buying a Wii U game for little Jimmy accidentally would likely result in a Wii U sale: Not unless they have a ton of disposable cash. The most likely outcome is It will result in the parent returning the Wii U game and buying a Wii game instead, followed closely by a scenario in which the customer gets pissed off, returns the game and buys nothing at all.
Consumers hold grudges, even for things that are their own fault.
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especially for things that are their own fault
no customer wants to admit to being at fault, especially not to themselves
Online retailer Play.com is to shut down its retail business becoming a marketplace only from March 2013.
The Jersey based company blamed the move on the ending of Low Value Consignment Relief allowing items less than £15 to be sold to the UK VAT free.
The company is making 147 staff redundant in Jersey as well as 67 in its Cambridge and Bristol offices.
Play.com will be more like a shopping centre with the move, no longer selling directly to the customers themselves.
The Low Value Consignment Relief (LVCR) loophole was shut by the UK government in April 2012.
In a statement Play.com said: "Moving forward we are intending to focus exclusively on our successful marketplace, which is our main business area, and to phase out the direct retail part of our business."
In September the States of Jersey said about 400 people had lost their jobs elsewhere in the island because of the end of LVCR.
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A friend just brought this to my attention. Kotaku published an article titled "The Guy Who Made Bayonetta Is Clueless About Valve and PC Gaming. That’s Common In Japan." - it's about Hideki Kamiya and was based on him saying "not interested" when asked about developing PC games. Like that's it, he's not interested, and it sparks a condescending article. So this stuff happened:
Okay, that's not actually 'well' if you look at it without context, but considering how it was performing previously this could be the signs of a real comeback if it keeps the numbers up. We'll see in the coming weeks.
The Wii U continues to fall, although not that much. It's barely beating the PS3 though, that's sort of troubling.
And the 3DS continues to dominate the competition completely.
Valve will support Steam Box computers made by a range of third-party manufacturers, as well as develop its own Linux-based version.
The news clears up confusion around an Xi3 computer code-named Piston spotted at the Computer Entertainment Show in Las Vegas this week. The in-development hardware is specifically designed to support Steam for TVs, with Valve listed as an investor for the hardware.
Valve boss Gabe Newell has explained that such devices will be able to offer different approaches to the core Steam Box functionality.
"The way we sort of think of it is sort of 'Good', 'Better', or 'Best'," Newell told The Verge. "'Good' are like these very low-cost streaming solutions that you're going to see that are using Miracast or Grid. 'Better' is to have a dedicated CPU and GPU and that's the one that's going to be controlled. Not because our goal is to control it; it's been surprisingly difficult when we say to people 'don't put an optical media drive in there' and they put an optical media drive in there and you're like 'that makes it hotter, that makes it more expensive, and it makes the box bigger'.
"Go ahead. You can always sell the 'Best' box, and those are just whatever those guys want to manufacture. [Valve's position is]: let's build a thing that's quiet and focuses on high performance and quiet and appropriate form factors."
Such devices, like the Xi3 Piston, will be supported by Valve but will also be in competition with the company's own device.
"We'll come out with our own and we'll sell it to consumers by ourselves," Newell continued. "That'll be a Linux box, [and] if you want to install Windows you can. We're not going to make it hard. This is not some locked box by any stretch of the imagination."
"Windows 8 was like this giant sadness. It just hurts everybody in the PC business. Rather than everybody being all excited to go buy a new PC, buying new software to run on it, we've had a 20+ per cent decline in PC sales - it's like 'holy cow that's not what the new generation of the operating system is supposed to do'. There's supposed to be a 40 per cent uptake, not a 20 per cent decline, so that's what really scares me. When I started using it I was like 'oh my god...'. I find [Windows 8] unusable."
Newell concluded with several thoughts on the Steam Box's future functions. Valve has plans to use your biometric data in next-generation controllers, and allow one Box to serve multiple games on different screens at once.
"I think you'll see controllers coming from us that use a lot of biometric data. Your hands, and your wrist muscles, and your fingers are actually your highest bandwidth - so trying to talk to a game with your arms is essentially saying 'oh we're going to stop using ethernet and go back to 300 baud dial-up'.
"The Steam Box will also be a server," he concluded. "Any PC can serve multiple monitors, so over time, the next-generation (post-Kepler) you can have one GPU that's serving up eight simultaneous game calls. So you could have one PC and eight televisions and eight controllers and everybody getting great performance out of it. We're used to having one monitor, or two monitors - now we're saying let's expand that a little bit."
And to whoever was saying that buying a Wii U game for little Jimmy accidentally would likely result in a Wii U sale: Not unless they have a ton of disposable cash. The most likely outcome is It will result in the parent returning the Wii U game and buying a Wii game instead, followed closely by a scenario in which the customer gets pissed off, returns the game and buys nothing at all.
Consumers hold grudges, even for things that are their own fault.
Nobody was saying that buying a game accidentally results in a likely sale. It's just that there are two outcomes - return the game and skip the console for now, or buy the console to go with the game - and in both cases the consumer ends up knowing about the existence of the console.
In both cases, the sale or lack of a sale is based on whether or not the entertainment device is seen as providing enough entertainment value for money, which comes down completely to the game library.
The number of lost sales that can directly be attributed to consumers being so angry that they bought a game for the wrong console that they swore to never buy that console has got to be extremely low and generally not preventable either. You're talking about the type of person who buys Mario Galaxy for their PS2, no amount of marketing is going to solve that sort of idiocy. How can you even be sure they'll hold their grudge against the right console?
"I bought Mario Smash Brothers for my XBox and I found out it doesn't work and I have to buy some new thing. Last time I buy any XBox products!"
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The Wii U's drop isn't all that big. It's what, 2k units short? Whatever. If it was a few more then I'd be worried or make any sort of call. The Vita's upswing is nice, but what matters is if it sustains for any duration (give or take a few thousand units).
Animal Crossing's sale numbers continue to astonish me. Is Animal Crossing just that damn strong in Japan as a series, or is this latest one just that damn good somehow? If it performs that well in NA and EU (and AU?) it will be... man, wow.
I then asked Jones for his thoughts on Capcom’s drive to collaborate with Western developers and to create a family of worldwide partners, to which he replied, “There are very few good independent developers, and if you get the chance to lock one or two down and continue to work with them, as a publisher you have to do that.
“Because firstly you’ll never have enough internal capacity – given the expense involved in making games – to keep your portfolio level where it needs to be. Guys like Ninja Theory and Dontnod who – in the case of Ninja Theory have a proven track record of delivering quality products more or less on time, and at an expected level of quality – I mean yeah, you have to keep working with those guys.”
Well they can't come out and say that they're going to nickel and dime their customers even harder, can they?
In all seriousness though, while that small and ultimately insignificant question sheet being unanswered doesn't really mean much, they do seem to have been lacking focus for a few years. I have no idea what the fuck they're trying to do.
They're trying to see how much crap the american consumer can swallow before they go under
I mean god dammit, Capcom and Squaresoft are the two biggest nickle and dimers of this current gen, and people keep buying their stuff.
In the words of Fry " STOP BEING SO STUPID!!!"
Stop buying their crap, they'll wise up, cause I'm sick of watching Capcom's stock go up and up and up while they haven't had a 1-2 million sales title in years, so either Capcom has the lowest production costs in the industry, or all their DLC morons are buying.
Well they can't come out and say that they're going to nickel and dime their customers even harder, can they?
In all seriousness though, while that small and ultimately insignificant question sheet being unanswered doesn't really mean much, they do seem to have been lacking focus for a few years. I have no idea what the fuck they're trying to do.
They're trying to see how much crap the american consumer can swallow before they go under
I mean god dammit, Capcom and Squaresoft are the two biggest nickle and dimers of this current gen, and people keep buying their stuff.
In the words of Fry " STOP BEING SO STUPID!!!"
Stop buying their crap, they'll wise up, cause I'm sick of watching Capcom's stock go up and up and up while they haven't had a 1-2 million sales title in years, so either Capcom has the lowest production costs in the industry, or all their DLC morons are buying.
no customer wants to admit to being at fault, especially not to themselves
People will twist themselves into a pretzel to justify their purchase decisions. Then they'll twist harder to blame others when that purchase decision isn't validated by third-parties.
It's almost rare for somebody to buy something just because they wanted it no matter what comes after.
it's about Hideki Kamiya and was based on him saying "not interested" when asked about developing PC games. Like that's it, he's not interested, and it sparks a condescending article.
To be 'fair', people lose their shit when a dev says they don't want/need/aren't able to support a specific platform. It ties in with what I say above. It is never enough that there might be other things out there to enjoy on a selected platform, they need moremoremore! And if they don't get it, then they'll raze a dev house to the ground as an example to others.
Someone said it's the post-Christmas shopping week, which is like the 2nd biggest in Japan (same here honestly). So that might have contributed. Also troubling for the WiiU with those numbers if that's the case.
Regardless, if I buy a Vita it's gonna be a used on on Craigs List, so they'll never collect my sweet sweet sale data.
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More like Sony and MS are playing Blackjack and Nintendo is over there playing 500.
And it takes 2 to tango. AMERICAN 3rd parties don't give a fuck about Nintendo. Nintendo has been giving many 3rd parties sweet publishing deals in the last couple of years. Examples: Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Bayonetta 2 and a bunch of stuff that Nintendo publishes in the west that otherwise wouldn't come over.
To be honest, many western 3rd parties come off as arrogant and snobbish when talking about Nintendo.
I talked about this in another thread on the board, and I think it comes down to the difference in mindset between Western and Japanese developers.
Nintendo, as basically the premiere Japanese game developer, showcases the mentality that often goes into Japanese games: learning and thriving within rules and systems is something that is valued. Japanese games have "gamey", mechanical things like 30-hit combos and numbers out the wazoo and like to emphasize mastery over the systems put in place. Western games also have those things, but there's been a trend to make gameplay fit organically within the game's environment and narrative.
Nintendo has been trying to give developers unique ways to play with gameplay systems, but hasn't been doing nearly as much to cater to Western developers' desire for more seamless interaction.
Well I can agree you have a point that it takes two to tango, I don't think it is fair to single out American or Western 3rd party devs as there seems to be just as many Japanese 3rd party devs who don't really bother with Nintendo consoles either.
edit- The reason why is pretty straight forward. Money. It is cheaper to make a game for, say, the Xbox 360 and port it over to the PS3 since both consoles are comparable in power and the controllers are functionally identical. Whereas porting something to the Wii (and now Wii U) would require more effort and money. Even when they do port a game over, it often turns out crappy since they don't take the time and money to do it properly. Granted, that isn't always the case. As with everything there are exceptions.
I don't get that impression. Is there a comparison chart showing companies that support one platform or another? Japanese game companies were pretty well represented on the Wii.
Or do you mean they don't "bother" in the sense that they still release games for it, but just don't bring their A game?
Yes on the second thing. In fact instead of saying "bother" I almost wrote "pays lip service to".
edit- To be honest I have no real info to back it up, it is just my feelings on the matter.
Here is a big ass list of games released for the Wii. Oddly enough, at least at first glance, it looks like far and away more games were released in NA (and even EU) then in Japan for the Wii. That seems a bit odd to me.
Hell, they could even go after some kickstarter projects. Shadownrun was on the SNES/Genesis, now its spiritual successor is on every touch based platform but the WiiU.
You mean like how the Trine guys have heaped praise on Nintendo, or the World of Goo guys launching Little Inferno on the system?
Nintendo is doing a lot more cultivating/supporting of developers than i've seen in recent memory, with the exception of giving out money hats. Unfortunately, the people who are complaining about them are people who thrive off money hats, and are used to getting them from Microsoft/Sony.
Edit: Somehow I missed the 5 pages of back and forth on endcaps and console design in terms of the industry. I'm going to go back and lurk again.
I'll also point out that the Wii U kiosks I have seen very prominently show off the new console. It's not displayed vertically like the Wii was, and it's all illuminated and such.
everyone who knows about the console launch either gets it day one or as a gift, in my opinion
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http://gematsu.com/2013/01/japanese-game-makers-discuss-strategies-for-2013
I like how deadpan Bethesda's answer was
But Capcom not giving answers has me fucking rolling, oh my god is that hysterical.
Well they can't come out and say that they're going to nickel and dime their customers even harder, can they?
In all seriousness though, while that small and ultimately insignificant question sheet being unanswered doesn't really mean much, they do seem to have been lacking focus for a few years. I have no idea what the fuck they're trying to do.
Their strategy of banking on Dragon's Dogma succeeding and outsourcing everything else didn't go to well and RE6 was a critical flop. Their fighting games aren't selling well, public opinion on DmC has improved but not nearly as much as it should have, and Remember Me is getting virtually no buzz at all. They have Monster Hunter left, and while that's a pretty fucking awesome boon it seems to be the only thing really going for them these days. They also lost tons of goodwill from their customers, I think they'd be shitting their pants by now if they're sane.
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Is Remember Me developed in house or by someone else?
edit- Yeah, otherwise I have no idea.
More DLC than you can shake a stick at.
Outsourced.
There was that Darkstalkers/Vampire teaser a few months ago, although that's probably going to be outsourced like all of their other fighting games. I don't know if that's actually in development though.
Other than that, Remember Me and MH4 there's nothing we actually know. I doubt that they're going to split their entire workforce on two games again seeing as how bad it worked out for them, but we'll have to see.
This, in my opinion, is the reason the Wii U is not coming close to Wii's sales. A LOT of people felt burned by the Wii and will not pay almost double the cash for something that has not even been clearly established as a brand new system.
And to whoever was saying that buying a Wii U game for little Jimmy accidentally would likely result in a Wii U sale: Not unless they have a ton of disposable cash. The most likely outcome is It will result in the parent returning the Wii U game and buying a Wii game instead, followed closely by a scenario in which the customer gets pissed off, returns the game and buys nothing at all.
Consumers hold grudges, even for things that are their own fault.
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no customer wants to admit to being at fault, especially not to themselves
PS3/360 also had a much higher percentage of (shudder) "hardcore" gamers, which will skew the average playtime upwards.
Although, they burned all the good will of DR2 away almost instantly with DR2: Off The Record, so who knows.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/01/07/dead-rising-3-spotted-on-blur-animation-studio-resume/
Oh Luke.
Media Create Sales: Week 1, 2013 (Dec 31 - Jan 06)
01./01. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 133.134 / 2.103.089 (-17%)
02./03. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) - 90.264 / 1.834.055 (+38%)
03./04. [3DS] Paper Mario: Sticker Star <ADV> (Nintendo) {2012.12.06} (¥4.800) - 68.262 / 470.394 (+16%)
04./07. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go 2: Chrono Stone - Neppuu / Raimei <RPG> (Level 5) {2012.12.13} (¥5.500) - 51.519 / 365.536 (+1%)
05./06. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985) - 50.319 / 419.710 (-12%)
06./02. [3DS] Fantasy Life <RPG> (Level 5) {2012.12.27} (¥5.800) - 42.291 / 159.361 (-64%)
07./09. [WIU] Nintendo Land <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥4.935) - 41.426 / 250.473 (-6%)
08./05. [PSP] One Piece: Romance Dawn - Bouken no Yoake # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.20} (¥5.980) - 40.137 / 264.739 (-30%)
09./12. [3DS] Magician's Quest: Magical Town <ETC> (Konami) {2012.12.20} (¥4.980) - 38.986 / 119.735 (+33%)
10./17. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 35.624 / 373.096 (+72%)
11./11. [3DS] Pokèmon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity <RPG> (Pokèmon Co.) {2012.11.23} (¥4.800) - 35.190 / 408.889 (+10%)
12./00. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040) - 34.529 / 375.062
13./15. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800) - 32.007 / 155.601 (+25%)
14./20. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 30.291 / 1.939.257 (+63%)
15./00. [3DS] Professor Layton Vs. Ace Attorney <ADV> (Level 5) {2012.11.29} (¥5.980) - 30.235 / 249.689
16./08. [PS3] Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2012.12.20} (¥8.190) - 29.180 / 194.157 (-40%)
17./13. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040) - 28.001 / 349.960 (+6%)
18./10. [PS3] Yakuza 5 # <ADV> (Sega) {2012.12.06} (¥8.800) - 26.631 / 544.855 (-31%)
19./00. [3DS] Style Savvy: Trendsetters <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.09.27} (¥4.800) - 23.172 / 282.642
20./00. [3DS] Kobito Zukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2012.07.26} (¥5.040) - 21.110 / 226.888
Top 20
3DS - 14
PS3 - 2
WIU - 2
PSP - 1
WII - 1
Hardware
Vita actually selling well. Shocker.
Okay, that's not actually 'well' if you look at it without context, but considering how it was performing previously this could be the signs of a real comeback if it keeps the numbers up. We'll see in the coming weeks.
The Wii U continues to fall, although not that much. It's barely beating the PS3 though, that's sort of troubling.
And the 3DS continues to dominate the competition completely.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507512
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-09-gabe-newell-lays-out-valves-steam-box-plans
Nobody was saying that buying a game accidentally results in a likely sale. It's just that there are two outcomes - return the game and skip the console for now, or buy the console to go with the game - and in both cases the consumer ends up knowing about the existence of the console.
In both cases, the sale or lack of a sale is based on whether or not the entertainment device is seen as providing enough entertainment value for money, which comes down completely to the game library.
The number of lost sales that can directly be attributed to consumers being so angry that they bought a game for the wrong console that they swore to never buy that console has got to be extremely low and generally not preventable either. You're talking about the type of person who buys Mario Galaxy for their PS2, no amount of marketing is going to solve that sort of idiocy. How can you even be sure they'll hold their grudge against the right console?
"I bought Mario Smash Brothers for my XBox and I found out it doesn't work and I have to buy some new thing. Last time I buy any XBox products!"
Animal Crossing's sale numbers continue to astonish me. Is Animal Crossing just that damn strong in Japan as a series, or is this latest one just that damn good somehow? If it performs that well in NA and EU (and AU?) it will be... man, wow.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/09/dmc-devil-may-cry-ninja-theory-have-been-amazing-say-capcom/
Buh bye DMC, been nice knowing you.
OTR was fun, though...
e: Fucking drafts section.
They're trying to see how much crap the american consumer can swallow before they go under
I mean god dammit, Capcom and Squaresoft are the two biggest nickle and dimers of this current gen, and people keep buying their stuff.
In the words of Fry " STOP BEING SO STUPID!!!"
Stop buying their crap, they'll wise up, cause I'm sick of watching Capcom's stock go up and up and up while they haven't had a 1-2 million sales title in years, so either Capcom has the lowest production costs in the industry, or all their DLC morons are buying.
Time to sell one now that it's popular. They used to be cool before they went "mainstream".
If it's fun.. I'll buy it. *shrug*
Not really. It's weird. No new software, no new colors nothing.
People will twist themselves into a pretzel to justify their purchase decisions. Then they'll twist harder to blame others when that purchase decision isn't validated by third-parties.
It's almost rare for somebody to buy something just because they wanted it no matter what comes after.
To be 'fair', people lose their shit when a dev says they don't want/need/aren't able to support a specific platform. It ties in with what I say above. It is never enough that there might be other things out there to enjoy on a selected platform, they need moremoremore! And if they don't get it, then they'll raze a dev house to the ground as an example to others.
Regardless, if I buy a Vita it's gonna be a used on on Craigs List, so they'll never collect my sweet sweet sale data.
But are you having all the fun possible, or only 50-70% of the fun the game provides, and then you need to pay $40 to unlock the rest of the fun?
What does this have anything to do with it? Having fun with the purchased game is not a crime.