What is correct courier etiquette when playing a support? I got yelled at for apparently using it to much when no one else was really using it.
Tell those people to fuck off. The support and mid are probably the two people that need it the absolute most, and if they don't get that, they are fools. Check to make sure no one is currently using it, and that your mid isn't crowing a bottle. If none of that is happening, use it.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited December 2012
Had one of my best games of Dota ever yesterday. I've been randoming in AP a lot lately, as I've been wanting to try some heroes outside of my list of 15 or 20 that I'm decent with. Randomed Gondar and was immediately worried, because the one time I had tried to play him before failed bad...but I had literally just watched a pro match with Gondar from The Defense 3, in client, and had paid attention to one of the pros Jinada build, and decided to try it: Holy shit balls did that ever work out well.
First let me set the scene. This is a mid-low level pub match, so unfortunately I wasn't getting long lane to myself. Fine, shit happens. We have a Lich mid, who immediately feeds Centaur (yes Centaur was their mid) two kills and rage quits. So ten minutes in, we're down a player and down three kills. We stick the game out even though we are 4v5, and it's going...okay, but we're obviously getting pushed back slowly. Finally I get enough levels on Gondar to have max Shadow Walk and max Jinada, and now things start to turn. Over the next 25 minutes, I go on a Track tear like has never been seen in the shitty halls of shitty shit play level that I play at. I think I probably loaded my team up with an extra 10-12k gold over the course of that entire back half of the game.
The real satisfying part was that our Axe had been talking a bunch of mess and then started belching out Portuguese at us, and calling us "gringas" (which I thought was Spanish, but I guess is both)...so as I essentially carry the game the rest of the way, and provide the lions share of my teams growing gold pile through Track, I make sure and have some choice words for him as we are assaulting the ancient. I made sure he knew that he was welcome for me carrying his ass on BH for the back half of that game.
What is correct courier etiquette when playing a support? I got yelled at for apparently using it to much when no one else was really using it.
The only thing is don't use the courier at around 2-3 minutes, bottle timings can be absolutely crucial mid and if he needs to wait an extra minute that can lose him the lane right there and then.
Sparvy on
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited December 2012
Like I said, Mid > Support >>>>>> All when it comes to the courier. ALWAYS yield to your mid, especially early, and especially if he's crowing his bottle....but other than that, just be nice about not rerouting in transit items, but use it when you need it. People need to understand that things like wards can't be bought from the side shop, and if they want you to ward (they do), you need the courier probably more often than they will.
Brazilians on parade, and many self-depreciative jokes made of it. The worst Lich in mankind history. Witch Doctor being too good, again. Skeleton King having his reincarnation privilege checked by Phantom Lancer. Nyx Nyx.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Start with a point in Shadow Walk, get a point in Shuriken, a point in Jinada, max Shadow Walk (obviously taking track when you can), then max Jinada before working on Shuriken. That's the "Jinada" build. I have no idea what it's real use is, or what factors you should consider before using it...I just flat copied it from watching a pro match, and it worked for me.
The use is that high damage crits on a low cooldown are great, and Shuriken is fuckawful to level up because you have basically unlimited mana if you just stealth and track and use Jinada stealth crits for damage and run out of mana very quickly if you focus Shuriken.
A point in Shuriken for interrupts, maybe 2 because it still gets a good amount of benefit from the second levelup, and then leave it is pretty useful. Hell, it might even be better to get stats after the first point and upgrade Shuriken only when absolutely necessary.
Start with a point in Shadow Walk, get a point in Shuriken, a point in Jinada, max Shadow Walk (obviously taking track when you can), then max Jinada before working on Shuriken. That's the "Jinada" build. I have no idea what it's real use is, or what factors you should consider before using it...I just flat copied it from watching a pro match, and it worked for me.
Scrub knowledge: the pros starts with Shadow Walk and max it first because they usually play Bounty Hunter as a solo hard laner, if not an outright suicide laner. The idea is to leech as much experience as possible while doing some hit and runs on creeps with invis into Jinada back into invis, at the very least until you hit lvl6 and skill Track. Then you start ganking and hopefully have your entire team snowball out of control from it.
Skilling Shadow Walk gives 30 more damage per point, which adds 45-70 damage to your next Jinada based on Jinada level, which is comparable damage to the 50/75 damage from leveling Shuriken to 3/4, doesn't have an increased mana cost per point, and also let's you fade sooner if you're in trouble.
If you skill Jinada instead, you'll lose out on around 15 damage on a Shadow Walk Jinada (assuming you're level 6 with Phase, Wand, and PMS), and the faster fade time, but if you can get off a second Jinada with the lowered cooldown you come out ahead on damage and gain increased slow uptime.
That was an interesting game I just had. Guy says his mouse and keyboard aren't working at the start on our team pauses and leaves. We wait 4-5 minutes decide to play without him. I am doing jungle prophet while laneing his batrider mid against huskar. Trade kills with huskar while keeping him from getting too many last hits and doing decent farm with prophet. The batrider finally reconnects about 9 minutes after originally leaving while I am in the middle of a fight with huskar and gives up a free kill. Proceeds to die two more times. Starts yelling about how this is retarded and how we screwed him over. Rest of the lanes are going ok.
Fast forward 5 minutes and they are trilaning top with huskar roaming around. Our faceless decides his best course of action is to get a shadow blade as his first item. Things are going even and their beastmaster DCs and gets an abandon. We win another weird fight and their shadow shaman leaves. Everything proceeds to go to shit as the faceless and batrider get super cocky and constantly die to huskar/PA/dazzle. Eventually lose the game after a teamfight where faceless manages to get them all in an ult and batrider manages to knock all of them out of it right after.
I am not sure if I should be mad we lost the game or amused at how everything went down.
What is correct courier etiquette when playing a support? I got yelled at for apparently using it to much when no one else was really using it.
Tell those people to fuck off. The support and mid are probably the two people that need it the absolute most, and if they don't get that, they are fools. Check to make sure no one is currently using it, and that your mid isn't crowing a bottle. If none of that is happening, use it.
Try not to use it within the first 2-3 min of the game as your mid's bottle or boots timing can be important, check how much gold they have and if they can't cs for shit then I use the crow.
Hey, I won my first match. (1-1 lifetime, yay for newbies!)
I told my team I was brand new, they squabbled some and then let me have middle by myself (I was Crystal Maiden), didn't seem Like i did the right build to hold guys off the middle (maxed the regen aura) , but what do I know?
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Congrats! So Crystal Maiden isn't really a mid hero...she works best supporting another hero. In general people tend to skip the aura and level Frostbite/Nova until level 8, and then only get her Ultimate and Stats.
I don't see the point of skipping aura. The aura's benefit is greatest in the early game when everyone (particualrly strength heroes) lacks regen. Its not as useful later on.
I usually max out aura + Nova first and play a heavy nuke style, buying 1-2 clarities to supplement aura regen and basically nonstop nova-ing my lane opponents so my lane partner can farm freely.
Can someone explain to me why people always treat supports on their team so terribly? In general they are already doing all the shit no one else wants to (wards, buying and upgrading couriers sentry wards if needed) so why the constant crap like "man stop feeding the enemy team" after they leave you in the lane without any notice? Just played as omni with a pugna on my team and the rest is spirit, clockwerk, doom. Both of us do our jobs and keep our respective carry alive and let them get kills. We buy the wards and all that. But everytime say the spirit breaker left pugna to charge down at some kill he had no chance of getting in on he'd bitch and moan about pugna feeding after leaving him right as they are pushing the tower.
I just don't get the general shittiness to people who are playing a role to make you better.
Hey, I won my first match. (1-1 lifetime, yay for newbies!)
I told my team I was brand new, they squabbled some and then let me have middle by myself (I was Crystal Maiden), didn't seem Like i did the right build to hold guys off the middle (maxed the regen aura) , but what do I know?
Always looking for more PA friends: Steam ID is EdglerVess
Congrats! So Crystal Maiden isn't really a mid hero...she works best supporting another hero. In general people tend to skip the aura and level Frostbite/Nova until level 8, and then only get her Ultimate and Stats.
I don't see the point of skipping aura. The aura's benefit is greatest in the early game when everyone (particualrly strength heroes) lacks regen. Its not as useful later on.
I usually max out aura + Nova first and play a heavy nuke style, buying 1-2 clarities to supplement aura regen and basically nonstop nova-ing my lane opponents so my lane partner can farm freely.
I think its more important at midgame. The way I see it, either you can spam spells at someone until you force them out of lane, or you can't. I don't think CM's aura is usually enough to get there. If it is, then level the aura first, but I think thats rare. You end up burning more of their HP regen, but isn't enough to decisively win the lane. So typically you still have to conserve mana. Basically, you throw away most of CM's ganking potential (which slows her down a ton) in order to save money on clarity potions. I think its simply smarter to get a lane advantage via CM's ganking power than her early sustain power.
As for getting the aura later, I see 2 big benefits for it. 1.) players can use nukes to flash farm sooner. This isn't of much use until the laning stage ends. 2.) Your team has much higher sustain after early teamfights. Say you are in a siege situation around an enemy tower. CM's regen can get you 1 round of spells the other side doesn't get. How many times have you found yourself in a siege of a tier 1 or 2 and had to retreat because you didn't have the mana to force a fight? Or you win a teamfight, but don't have enough mana to continue to push. I find it happens pretty frequently.
when I play her, I go 1-1-1, then max 1 of her spells (Nova if I can harass someone out of lane, Frost if I can get kills), then alternate between the aura and her other spell while getting her ult at 10 and 11. She is pretty snowbally (lol) for a support if she gets early kills/assists.
Can someone explain to me why people always treat supports on their team so terribly? In general they are already doing all the shit no one else wants to (wards, buying and upgrading couriers sentry wards if needed) so why the constant crap like "man stop feeding the enemy team" after they leave you in the lane without any notice? Just played as omni with a pugna on my team and the rest is spirit, clockwerk, doom. Both of us do our jobs and keep our respective carry alive and let them get kills. We buy the wards and all that. But everytime say the spirit breaker left pugna to charge down at some kill he had no chance of getting in on he'd bitch and moan about pugna feeding after leaving him right as they are pushing the tower.
I just don't get the general shittiness to people who are playing a role to make you better.
Trench tier matchmaking, where the mad and the buck never stops here.
That was an interesting game I just had. Guy says his mouse and keyboard aren't working at the start on our team pauses and leaves. We wait 4-5 minutes decide to play without him. I am doing jungle prophet while laneing his batrider mid against huskar. Trade kills with huskar while keeping him from getting too many last hits and doing decent farm with prophet. The batrider finally reconnects about 9 minutes after originally leaving while I am in the middle of a fight with huskar and gives up a free kill. Proceeds to die two more times. Starts yelling about how this is retarded and how we screwed him over. Rest of the lanes are going ok.
Fast forward 5 minutes and they are trilaning top with huskar roaming around. Our faceless decides his best course of action is to get a shadow blade as his first item. Things are going even and their beastmaster DCs and gets an abandon. We win another weird fight and their shadow shaman leaves. Everything proceeds to go to shit as the faceless and batrider get super cocky and constantly die to huskar/PA/dazzle. Eventually lose the game after a teamfight where faceless manages to get them all in an ult and batrider manages to knock all of them out of it right after.
I am not sure if I should be mad we lost the game or amused at how everything went down.
I really wanna see that ending. Submit to dota cinema fails of the week?
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Dac VinS-s-screw you! I only listen to DOUBLE MUSIC!Registered Userregular
Playing heroes like Wisp, Enchantress or Crystal Maiden is an order of magnitude more difficult than playing, say, Dragon Knight or Juggernaut or even Faceless Void. The support role simply gets a bad rap because the game tracks your kills and deaths.
That was an interesting game I just had. Guy says his mouse and keyboard aren't working at the start on our team pauses and leaves. We wait 4-5 minutes decide to play without him. I am doing jungle prophet while laneing his batrider mid against huskar. Trade kills with huskar while keeping him from getting too many last hits and doing decent farm with prophet. The batrider finally reconnects about 9 minutes after originally leaving while I am in the middle of a fight with huskar and gives up a free kill. Proceeds to die two more times. Starts yelling about how this is retarded and how we screwed him over. Rest of the lanes are going ok.
Fast forward 5 minutes and they are trilaning top with huskar roaming around. Our faceless decides his best course of action is to get a shadow blade as his first item. Things are going even and their beastmaster DCs and gets an abandon. We win another weird fight and their shadow shaman leaves. Everything proceeds to go to shit as the faceless and batrider get super cocky and constantly die to huskar/PA/dazzle. Eventually lose the game after a teamfight where faceless manages to get them all in an ult and batrider manages to knock all of them out of it right after.
I am not sure if I should be mad we lost the game or amused at how everything went down.
I really wanna see that ending. Submit to dota cinema fails of the week?
dota2://matchid=74516925&matchtime=2383
The match Sonelan is talking about, at approximately the time that Void ult into Batrider molotov happened.
(Don't want to toot my horn too much, but Sonelan, if it can console you I went through worse: dota2://matchid=65841289&matchtime=2780 TRIGGER WARNING: black holes gone wrong, wasn't even included in the fails anyway)
And that game didn't even annoy me as much as the last one i played as omni. I don't mind losing that much but goddamn people treating supports like shit just bugs me. We won the game but I really felt like I'd have rather lost after listening to my team in that one.
Sonelan on
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Dac VinS-s-screw you! I only listen to DOUBLE MUSIC!Registered Userregular
I never understood how those url worked anyway, but that's what the copy function in dota throws at me so EH.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Not playing Venomancer aggressive (barring some nightmare lane where you'll just get slaughtered) is a crime against humanity. He's a first blood machine.
Dac VinS-s-screw you! I only listen to DOUBLE MUSIC!Registered Userregular
dead thread dead game
Back on building like the pros do: today I decided to play Faceless Void and, like @GnomeTank , went for a build I saw pro players do: Maelstrom into Mask of Madness.
It worked. Not even the existence of an enemy Drow Ranger, a fed Lina and the worst Night Stalker I've ever seen on my team could stop me from becoming the destroyer.
Just encountered a particularly clever play. While playing Bounty Hunter, I noticed the enemy pudge move into the bottom lane behind our first tower. I figured he was going to intercept the next creep wave so theirs could take out our tower. I moved in to get the drop on him. Crit from stealth with the BH passive. Pudge disappears. He was an illusion. Hook comes flying out of the treeline and snags me. I was deader than Elvis.
I think the last time I played Faceless Void I ended up going for a Necrobook 3 after what I saw from some pros. The minions can continue acting in the orb so it has good early game power overall. We were losing bad at the start of the game so I got it to try and boost my power ASAP as the teamfights started. We actually starting winning them but ended up losing it in the end; stunted my carry growth too much. I think that team used the minions for a push strategy and him as a push carry.
That was before the Time Lock changes that make Faceless void attack speed even more brutal.
So in the game I just played, we had an Omni, Vengeful Spirit, and a Lich. They were asking someone to pick a carry (in a pub game, no less), so I figure what the hell, and I pick Sven. Should be fun times. A few minutes in, I realize we have no courier, so I pick that up. By minute ten or so, we've been ganked and pushed pretty badly, and I was shut down a lot in lane by Silencer. Our Omniknight and Lich disconnect and never come back. But I figure I might as well play it out.
Thirty minutes later, we somehow come back to win it (largely due to the bounty hunter on our team, but I like to think I helped!). Sven in pub games is just all kinds of hilarity.
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Sven is arguably the best carry in the game right now. DAT GOD'S STRENGTH CLEAVE
Sven is arguably the best carry in the game right now. DAT GOD'S STRENGTH CLEAVE
I know. I feel pretty dirty when I play him, but I had to. We had Omni, Lich, and Venge! I had visions of Venge aura + repel + frost armor dancing through my head.
Just like the game before that one, when I felt compelled to Sven because someone on our team randomed Wisp. :rotate:
I think the last time I played Faceless Void I ended up going for a Necrobook 3 after what I saw from some pros. The minions can continue acting in the orb so it has good early game power overall. We were losing bad at the start of the game so I got it to try and boost my power ASAP as the teamfights started. We actually starting winning them but ended up losing it in the end; stunted my carry growth too much. I think that team used the minions for a push strategy and him as a push carry.
That was before the Time Lock changes that make Faceless void attack speed even more brutal.
I think that is the support/utility faceless void. and yah, that'd stunt your growth.
Can someone explain to me why people always treat supports on their team so terribly? In general they are already doing all the shit no one else wants to (wards, buying and upgrading couriers sentry wards if needed) so why the constant crap like "man stop feeding the enemy team" after they leave you in the lane without any notice? Just played as omni with a pugna on my team and the rest is spirit, clockwerk, doom. Both of us do our jobs and keep our respective carry alive and let them get kills. We buy the wards and all that. But everytime say the spirit breaker left pugna to charge down at some kill he had no chance of getting in on he'd bitch and moan about pugna feeding after leaving him right as they are pushing the tower.
I just don't get the general shittiness to people who are playing a role to make you better.
people are selfish assholes. I hate the support shitting on as well.
on the other hand nothing is worse than a support who doesnt know their role.
Playing heroes like Wisp, Enchantress or Crystal Maiden is an order of magnitude more difficult than playing, say, Dragon Knight or Juggernaut or even Faceless Void. The support role simply gets a bad rap because the game tracks your kills and deaths.
Not having a lifetime KDA is a godsend to support players in this game. Way better than say HoN. That said, playing support is no excuse to feed! You want to die if it'll save a carry or accomplish some other important goal (getting a rax for example) but if you're feeding you were probably out of position. This is a good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ihVc2swLPQ&list=UU7Yevl5e1gqot8kdOt25VKQ&index=3
"when you're playing support, your effectiveness in a teamfight directly correlates to how many times you can cast your spells in the right place, so if you die you obviously can't cast any spells at all. you need to stay alive so you can cycle through your spells multiple times. but how do you stay alive? you stay alive by staying far away from teamfights until your spells are off cd."
Dac VinS-s-screw you! I only listen to DOUBLE MUSIC!Registered Userregular
edited December 2012
It doesn't count unless you became Queen of Pain and delved into her lore.
(and also pleased the bone and desert majesty)
e: Pub stories: I think everyone knows the saddest thing is a Beastmaster who takes stats over his summons, but I had the pleasure of laning with a new type of Beastmaster:
One who maxed his passive first and didn't get his axes until he had his boar summon.
Paying support, your effectiveness in a teamfight directly correlates to how many times you can cast your spells in the right place, so if you die you obviously can't cast any spells at all. you need to stay alive so you can cycle through your spells multiple times. but how do you stay alive? you stay alive by staying far away from teamfights until your spells are off cd."
I like fierce :^:
This is great...except the same people that would yell at you for "feeding" are the same ones who would yell at you for "not being in the team fight". Playing support is almost universally a no win situation in pub matches.
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Fuck em. If no is using it, i see no reason not to
Tell those people to fuck off. The support and mid are probably the two people that need it the absolute most, and if they don't get that, they are fools. Check to make sure no one is currently using it, and that your mid isn't crowing a bottle. If none of that is happening, use it.
First let me set the scene. This is a mid-low level pub match, so unfortunately I wasn't getting long lane to myself. Fine, shit happens. We have a Lich mid, who immediately feeds Centaur (yes Centaur was their mid) two kills and rage quits. So ten minutes in, we're down a player and down three kills. We stick the game out even though we are 4v5, and it's going...okay, but we're obviously getting pushed back slowly. Finally I get enough levels on Gondar to have max Shadow Walk and max Jinada, and now things start to turn. Over the next 25 minutes, I go on a Track tear like has never been seen in the shitty halls of shitty shit play level that I play at. I think I probably loaded my team up with an extra 10-12k gold over the course of that entire back half of the game.
The real satisfying part was that our Axe had been talking a bunch of mess and then started belching out Portuguese at us, and calling us "gringas" (which I thought was Spanish, but I guess is both)...so as I essentially carry the game the rest of the way, and provide the lions share of my teams growing gold pile through Track, I make sure and have some choice words for him as we are assaulting the ancient. I made sure he knew that he was welcome for me carrying his ass on BH for the back half of that game.
The only thing is don't use the courier at around 2-3 minutes, bottle timings can be absolutely crucial mid and if he needs to wait an extra minute that can lose him the lane right there and then.
Brazilians on parade, and many self-depreciative jokes made of it. The worst Lich in mankind history. Witch Doctor being too good, again. Skeleton King having his reincarnation privilege checked by Phantom Lancer. Nyx Nyx.
This was the worst game, my friends.
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A point in Shuriken for interrupts, maybe 2 because it still gets a good amount of benefit from the second levelup, and then leave it is pretty useful. Hell, it might even be better to get stats after the first point and upgrade Shuriken only when absolutely necessary.
1. Mid
2. Hard lane solo (if you have it)
3. Mid again
4. Safe lane carry (but if he uses the courier you can put your crap on it too)
5. Support
Scrub knowledge: the pros starts with Shadow Walk and max it first because they usually play Bounty Hunter as a solo hard laner, if not an outright suicide laner. The idea is to leech as much experience as possible while doing some hit and runs on creeps with invis into Jinada back into invis, at the very least until you hit lvl6 and skill Track. Then you start ganking and hopefully have your entire team snowball out of control from it.
e: MY COMPLEXITY PENNANT ;_;
Skilling Shadow Walk gives 30 more damage per point, which adds 45-70 damage to your next Jinada based on Jinada level, which is comparable damage to the 50/75 damage from leveling Shuriken to 3/4, doesn't have an increased mana cost per point, and also let's you fade sooner if you're in trouble.
If you skill Jinada instead, you'll lose out on around 15 damage on a Shadow Walk Jinada (assuming you're level 6 with Phase, Wand, and PMS), and the faster fade time, but if you can get off a second Jinada with the lowered cooldown you come out ahead on damage and gain increased slow uptime.
Fast forward 5 minutes and they are trilaning top with huskar roaming around. Our faceless decides his best course of action is to get a shadow blade as his first item. Things are going even and their beastmaster DCs and gets an abandon. We win another weird fight and their shadow shaman leaves. Everything proceeds to go to shit as the faceless and batrider get super cocky and constantly die to huskar/PA/dazzle. Eventually lose the game after a teamfight where faceless manages to get them all in an ult and batrider manages to knock all of them out of it right after.
I am not sure if I should be mad we lost the game or amused at how everything went down.
Try not to use it within the first 2-3 min of the game as your mid's bottle or boots timing can be important, check how much gold they have and if they can't cs for shit then I use the crow.
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I don't see the point of skipping aura. The aura's benefit is greatest in the early game when everyone (particualrly strength heroes) lacks regen. Its not as useful later on.
I usually max out aura + Nova first and play a heavy nuke style, buying 1-2 clarities to supplement aura regen and basically nonstop nova-ing my lane opponents so my lane partner can farm freely.
I just don't get the general shittiness to people who are playing a role to make you better.
I think its more important at midgame. The way I see it, either you can spam spells at someone until you force them out of lane, or you can't. I don't think CM's aura is usually enough to get there. If it is, then level the aura first, but I think thats rare. You end up burning more of their HP regen, but isn't enough to decisively win the lane. So typically you still have to conserve mana. Basically, you throw away most of CM's ganking potential (which slows her down a ton) in order to save money on clarity potions. I think its simply smarter to get a lane advantage via CM's ganking power than her early sustain power.
As for getting the aura later, I see 2 big benefits for it. 1.) players can use nukes to flash farm sooner. This isn't of much use until the laning stage ends. 2.) Your team has much higher sustain after early teamfights. Say you are in a siege situation around an enemy tower. CM's regen can get you 1 round of spells the other side doesn't get. How many times have you found yourself in a siege of a tier 1 or 2 and had to retreat because you didn't have the mana to force a fight? Or you win a teamfight, but don't have enough mana to continue to push. I find it happens pretty frequently.
when I play her, I go 1-1-1, then max 1 of her spells (Nova if I can harass someone out of lane, Frost if I can get kills), then alternate between the aura and her other spell while getting her ult at 10 and 11. She is pretty snowbally (lol) for a support if she gets early kills/assists.
Trench tier matchmaking, where the mad and the buck never stops here.
I really wanna see that ending. Submit to dota cinema fails of the week?
dota2://matchid=74516925&matchtime=2383
The match Sonelan is talking about, at approximately the time that Void ult into Batrider molotov happened.
(Don't want to toot my horn too much, but Sonelan, if it can console you I went through worse: dota2://matchid=65841289&matchtime=2780 TRIGGER WARNING: black holes gone wrong, wasn't even included in the fails anyway)
And that game didn't even annoy me as much as the last one i played as omni. I don't mind losing that much but goddamn people treating supports like shit just bugs me. We won the game but I really felt like I'd have rather lost after listening to my team in that one.
1) Jungle until level 6, ganking and pushing occasionally
2) Hit level 6. Begin SPROINKing.
3) ?????
4) End game 15/6/12
HOW TO PLAY VENOMANCER/ENCHANTRESS/*insert aggressive support here* THE BEST WAY WHICH IS THE BRO WAY TOO
Back on building like the pros do: today I decided to play Faceless Void and, like @GnomeTank , went for a build I saw pro players do: Maelstrom into Mask of Madness.
It worked. Not even the existence of an enemy Drow Ranger, a fed Lina and the worst Night Stalker I've ever seen on my team could stop me from becoming the destroyer.
Well played, enemy Pudge. Well played....
That was before the Time Lock changes that make Faceless void attack speed even more brutal.
Thirty minutes later, we somehow come back to win it (largely due to the bounty hunter on our team, but I like to think I helped!). Sven in pub games is just all kinds of hilarity.
I know. I feel pretty dirty when I play him, but I had to. We had Omni, Lich, and Venge! I had visions of Venge aura + repel + frost armor dancing through my head.
Just like the game before that one, when I felt compelled to Sven because someone on our team randomed Wisp. :rotate:
people are selfish assholes. I hate the support shitting on as well.
on the other hand nothing is worse than a support who doesnt know their role.
Not having a lifetime KDA is a godsend to support players in this game. Way better than say HoN. That said, playing support is no excuse to feed! You want to die if it'll save a carry or accomplish some other important goal (getting a rax for example) but if you're feeding you were probably out of position. This is a good video:
"when you're playing support, your effectiveness in a teamfight directly correlates to how many times you can cast your spells in the right place, so if you die you obviously can't cast any spells at all. you need to stay alive so you can cycle through your spells multiple times. but how do you stay alive? you stay alive by staying far away from teamfights until your spells are off cd."
I like fierce :^:
I did this:
cleave too stronk
(and also pleased the bone and desert majesty)
e: Pub stories: I think everyone knows the saddest thing is a Beastmaster who takes stats over his summons, but I had the pleasure of laning with a new type of Beastmaster:
One who maxed his passive first and didn't get his axes until he had his boar summon.
It was okay, I guess. Manly, but not too much.
This is great...except the same people that would yell at you for "feeding" are the same ones who would yell at you for "not being in the team fight". Playing support is almost universally a no win situation in pub matches.