Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
Lycan can jungle, especially in AP soloqueue because the game at that level is very passive so people never actually think to go kill the half-health hero with no mana wandering around the jungle.
And once he's gotten his core up, it's time to start sieging.
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He can, sure.
He's much easier to stop than before and he ramps up much more slowly.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
Ghost scepter is a good idea. Playing a game as lina yesterday and this ursa would essentially two shot me. Ursa + shadow blade. Ugh. I was the only one on my team that seamed to understand the concept of warding.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Ursa is such a good pubstomper. Especially once you get that shadowblade on him. It seems like very few people like to sentry ward when its just a shadow blade.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Jungling Lycan is pretty rough, unless you have random gold. Being able to afford a QB, Stout, Ring of Armor, and regen makes a big difference. Still its usually worth it to invade the jungle. If you push the creep wave into the tower before invading, you'll probably only miss out on 1 creep wave, and it makes a pretty big difference. Its fun and even if you don't get a kill, its usually worth it because of the time you cost them.
This may be an odd question, but any idea where a guy could trade some excess TF2 keys for dota keys?
I've had good luck re: keys by passing items to a friend from TF2 who uses http://www.tf2outpost.com/. Generally the keys are interchangeable pretty readily there, from what I understand.
In other news, I'm starting to enjoy Lifestealer, which probably means I'm a bad person.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
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Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
Honestly you'd want to rush a blink on ursa anyway. 2k for a vlads or whatever doesn't really help one bit in hero killing, which is the only way he'll get ahead and not fall off by the late game. If you have a buddy to soak rosh dmg then vlads is pretty useless IMO.
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Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
Honestly you'd want to rush a blink on ursa anyway. 2k for a vlads or whatever doesn't really help one bit in hero killing, which is the only way he'll get ahead and not fall off by the late game. If you have a buddy to soak rosh dmg then vlads is pretty useless IMO.
Yep. Explaining the theory and thinking it's a good idea are two separate things. There are better ideas for dealing with Ursa than Razor.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
Honestly you'd want to rush a blink on ursa anyway. 2k for a vlads or whatever doesn't really help one bit in hero killing, which is the only way he'll get ahead and not fall off by the late game. If you have a buddy to soak rosh dmg then vlads is pretty useless IMO.
Yep. Explaining the theory and thinking it's a good idea are two separate things. There are better ideas for dealing with Ursa than Razor.
Yeah, if you wanted to counter pick ursa with heroes then Shadow demon is great, solo not so much, although purge is nice, for teamfights he really screws him over. Banish him or if he has BKB banish the teammate he's focusing.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
Honestly you'd want to rush a blink on ursa anyway. 2k for a vlads or whatever doesn't really help one bit in hero killing, which is the only way he'll get ahead and not fall off by the late game. If you have a buddy to soak rosh dmg then vlads is pretty useless IMO.
Keep in mind that being able to solo rosh is important. The more people you need to help you the bigger chance there is of the enemy figuring out what you're doing.
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If I'm having a good game with Ursa (early free farm and some early kills), I go phase-->blink-->vlad's
If the game is more even or my team is behind, I go boots-->vlad's, solo Rosh, phase-->blink. Ursa farms really quickly with a Vlad's, and that solo rosh gold and xp is always great.
This may be an odd question, but any idea where a guy could trade some excess TF2 keys for dota keys?
I've had good luck re: keys by passing items to a friend from TF2 who uses http://www.tf2outpost.com/. Generally the keys are interchangeable pretty readily there, from what I understand.
In other news, I'm starting to enjoy Lifestealer, which probably means I'm a bad person.
I've tried trading them straight up for dota keys on tf2tp, no luck yet. May have to vary my approach.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
I've never actually did the math , I just know it that it has worked every time I do it. I'm not seeing where 30-150 comes from though. Bonus damage or not, you're stealing all his regular damage, and fury swipes ain't much when all it's adding is the bonus damage. Razor ult, plus his passive helps matters to, and you will need at least a little bit of CC to get a good drain going.
Blink dagger basically fucks the whole thing up though, since he will have the burst to hero to zero someone before you could even get the drain going. And yes, I run Razor to counter him in the mid game, which is when he will usually feast on bad players and crazy snowball. After that it's straight to a halberd.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
I've never actually did the math , I just know it that it has worked every time I do it. I'm not seeing where 30-150 comes from though. Bonus damage or not, you're stealing all his regular damage, and fury swipes ain't much when all it's adding is the bonus damage. Razor ult, plus his passive helps matters to, and you will need at least a little bit of CC to get a good drain going.
Blink dagger basically fucks the whole thing up though, since he will have the burst to hero to zero someone before you could even get the drain going. And yes, I run Razor to counter him in the mid game, which is when he will usually feast on bad players and crazy snowball. After that it's straight to a halberd.
In one second ursa gets off 5 autoattacks. If fury swipes is lvl 4 that's 450 from just fury swipes bonus damage, enrage I can't even eyeball now and autoattack damage -28.
Yeah, the best counter to Ursa is a carefully played high CC support who can survive. A character like Lion that invests in an early ghost scepter or force staff can make Ursa's life hell.
What you can choose to help your team with Ursa will depend on what role you need. A character like Gyrocopter who can pump out similar close range burst damage might be a good carry to pick up against him. Viper, too, has great kiting power and an Ultimate that slows through BKB. Initiators who can slow and go through BKB like Magnus, Engima and (somewhat) Beastmaster can really hurt Ursa.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
I've never actually did the math , I just know it that it has worked every time I do it. I'm not seeing where 30-150 comes from though. Bonus damage or not, you're stealing all his regular damage, and fury swipes ain't much when all it's adding is the bonus damage. Razor ult, plus his passive helps matters to, and you will need at least a little bit of CC to get a good drain going.
Blink dagger basically fucks the whole thing up though, since he will have the burst to hero to zero someone before you could even get the drain going. And yes, I run Razor to counter him in the mid game, which is when he will usually feast on bad players and crazy snowball. After that it's straight to a halberd.
In one second ursa gets off 5 autoattacks. If fury swipes is lvl 4 that's 450 from just fury swipes bonus damage, enrage I can't even eyeball now and autoattack damage -28.
As I said, this is a mid game thing. It keeps him from snowballing in pubs, it may not be the bestest min max way to achieve it, but it works. By the point he can do that kind of single target damage, the only real answer is diffusal or Halberd.
Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
I've never actually did the math , I just know it that it has worked every time I do it. I'm not seeing where 30-150 comes from though. Bonus damage or not, you're stealing all his regular damage, and fury swipes ain't much when all it's adding is the bonus damage. Razor ult, plus his passive helps matters to, and you will need at least a little bit of CC to get a good drain going.
Blink dagger basically fucks the whole thing up though, since he will have the burst to hero to zero someone before you could even get the drain going. And yes, I run Razor to counter him in the mid game, which is when he will usually feast on bad players and crazy snowball. After that it's straight to a halberd.
In one second ursa gets off 5 autoattacks. If fury swipes is lvl 4 that's 450 from just fury swipes bonus damage, enrage I can't even eyeball now and autoattack damage -28.
As I said, this is a mid game thing. It keeps him from snowballing in pubs, it may not be the bestest min max way to achieve it, but it works. By the point he can do that kind of single target damage, the only real answer is diffusal or Halberd.
But you're already using your hero pick to counter him. Why not min max the right way? You could half ass it by going ghost scepter on AM as well. Counters ursa and builds into abyssal for mega mana breaks.
Also, don't bother trying to counter Ursa in the mid game.
If you let him get 15 minutes into the game without killing him you're doing it wrong, because if he's any good he's already farmed up a Vlad's and smoked into a solo Roshan. Go get in his ass starting at minute 5 with someone like Lion or any good ganking hero. You need to make him bitch to his team that he's getting ganked, or everything will go according to his furry plan.
If he's already farmed then Ghost Scepter/Force Staff/crying into your pillow will work.
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Ok so I'm relatively new to dota (about 100 games in) and was wondering what strategy I should use agains an Ursa that has been fed a bit. Any time that happens, if I'm playing a character that does not have a stun he just seems to pop out of the woods and destroying however he is against.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
Yeah have you tried jungling as lycan at level 1? It really doesn't go that well. If anything he has to lane for a bit before retreating to the jungle.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
I've never actually did the math , I just know it that it has worked every time I do it. I'm not seeing where 30-150 comes from though. Bonus damage or not, you're stealing all his regular damage, and fury swipes ain't much when all it's adding is the bonus damage. Razor ult, plus his passive helps matters to, and you will need at least a little bit of CC to get a good drain going.
Blink dagger basically fucks the whole thing up though, since he will have the burst to hero to zero someone before you could even get the drain going. And yes, I run Razor to counter him in the mid game, which is when he will usually feast on bad players and crazy snowball. After that it's straight to a halberd.
In one second ursa gets off 5 autoattacks. If fury swipes is lvl 4 that's 450 from just fury swipes bonus damage, enrage I can't even eyeball now and autoattack damage -28.
As I said, this is a mid game thing. It keeps him from snowballing in pubs, it may not be the bestest min max way to achieve it, but it works. By the point he can do that kind of single target damage, the only real answer is diffusal or Halberd.
But you're already using your hero pick to counter him. Why not min max the right way? You could half ass it by going ghost scepter on AM as well. Counters ursa and builds into abyssal for mega mana breaks.
Because I get off on finding alternative ways to achieve something; it makes me feel special and unique. I also main medusa...go figure.
Also, Razor can carry, and I play him well. So it works for me when dealing with big auto attack damage dealers.
In one second ursa gets off 5 autoattacks. If fury swipes is lvl 4 that's 450 from just fury swipes bonus damage, enrage I can't even eyeball now and autoattack damage -28.
As I said, this is a mid game thing. It keeps him from snowballing in pubs, it may not be the bestest min max way to achieve it, but it works. By the point he can do that kind of single target damage, the only real answer is diffusal or Halberd.
But you're already using your hero pick to counter him. Why not min max the right way? You could half ass it by going ghost scepter on AM as well. Counters ursa and builds into abyssal for mega mana breaks.
what you are saying makes no sense. ghost scepter is a very solid item on Razor. Halberd is good too. ghost scepter on AM makes little sense because he needs to be the primary carry, Razor isn't.
This may be an odd question, but any idea where a guy could trade some excess TF2 keys for dota keys?
I've had good luck re: keys by passing items to a friend from TF2 who uses http://www.tf2outpost.com/. Generally the keys are interchangeable pretty readily there, from what I understand.
In other news, I'm starting to enjoy Lifestealer, which probably means I'm a bad person.
I've tried trading them straight up for dota keys on tf2tp, no luck yet. May have to vary my approach.
@AuburnTiger You can get them for free, though. I'll even give you two if you want. You can also get one from a bot, it has 25,000 of them.
This may be an odd question, but any idea where a guy could trade some excess TF2 keys for dota keys?
I've had good luck re: keys by passing items to a friend from TF2 who uses http://www.tf2outpost.com/. Generally the keys are interchangeable pretty readily there, from what I understand.
In other news, I'm starting to enjoy Lifestealer, which probably means I'm a bad person.
I've tried trading them straight up for dota keys on tf2tp, no luck yet. May have to vary my approach.
@AuburnTiger You can get them for free, though. I'll even give you two if you want. You can also get one from a bot, it has 25,000 of them.
I have a feeling he is referring to chest keys, though I may be wrong in this regard.
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Lycan's jungling is awful after the wolf nerfs.
And once he's gotten his core up, it's time to start sieging.
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He's much easier to stop than before and he ramps up much more slowly.
Force Staff, Ghost Scepter and Heavens Halberd will help against him if he's been fed. You just cant him let him stick to you in a team fight and those items will make it so he doesn't attack.
I usually run Razor to hard counter him. It's pretty hilarious watching him pop out for a team fight and wail on someone for a good couple seconds while their healthbar doesn't move. But Razor's kind of difficult to play. Bane should cause him plenty of grief too.
These items are all good; I would add Rod of Atos too. Not a lot of people build it, but it's good for supports and other intelligence heroes with limited or no CC. Blade mail can help, but only if you've got a good health pool to back it up.
I haven't actually tried it no, guess I should. But I've been in multiple games now where it hasn't been a problem for the guy doing it. Invading (in pubs) is expensive in both manpower terms and in losing xp/gold from last hits. 9 out of 10 times the hard lane won't even bother to try, it's like herding cats I tells ya. I guess I should start running tree again. Invade jungle, ward camps, ruin his day.
Jungling Lycan is pretty rough, unless you have random gold. Being able to afford a QB, Stout, Ring of Armor, and regen makes a big difference. Still its usually worth it to invade the jungle. If you push the creep wave into the tower before invading, you'll probably only miss out on 1 creep wave, and it makes a pretty big difference. Its fun and even if you don't get a kill, its usually worth it because of the time you cost them.
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I've had good luck re: keys by passing items to a friend from TF2 who uses http://www.tf2outpost.com/. Generally the keys are interchangeable pretty readily there, from what I understand.
In other news, I'm starting to enjoy Lifestealer, which probably means I'm a bad person.
Wait, how does razor -28 dmg/sec save you vs ursa who deals his dmg+6% of hp+30/60/90/120/150 in one second?
I'd guess by screwing up his midgame before Shadow Blade or Blink Dagger, so he doesn't get fed, and then later by only letting him wail on one dude. There's some chance that cc buys you some ticks of it too.
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Honestly you'd want to rush a blink on ursa anyway. 2k for a vlads or whatever doesn't really help one bit in hero killing, which is the only way he'll get ahead and not fall off by the late game. If you have a buddy to soak rosh dmg then vlads is pretty useless IMO.
Yep. Explaining the theory and thinking it's a good idea are two separate things. There are better ideas for dealing with Ursa than Razor.
Yeah, if you wanted to counter pick ursa with heroes then Shadow demon is great, solo not so much, although purge is nice, for teamfights he really screws him over. Banish him or if he has BKB banish the teammate he's focusing.
Keep in mind that being able to solo rosh is important. The more people you need to help you the bigger chance there is of the enemy figuring out what you're doing.
If the game is more even or my team is behind, I go boots-->vlad's, solo Rosh, phase-->blink. Ursa farms really quickly with a Vlad's, and that solo rosh gold and xp is always great.
I've tried trading them straight up for dota keys on tf2tp, no luck yet. May have to vary my approach.
I've never actually did the math
Blink dagger basically fucks the whole thing up though, since he will have the burst to hero to zero someone before you could even get the drain going. And yes, I run Razor to counter him in the mid game, which is when he will usually feast on bad players and crazy snowball. After that it's straight to a halberd.
In one second ursa gets off 5 autoattacks. If fury swipes is lvl 4 that's 450 from just fury swipes bonus damage, enrage I can't even eyeball now and autoattack damage -28.
What you can choose to help your team with Ursa will depend on what role you need. A character like Gyrocopter who can pump out similar close range burst damage might be a good carry to pick up against him. Viper, too, has great kiting power and an Ultimate that slows through BKB. Initiators who can slow and go through BKB like Magnus, Engima and (somewhat) Beastmaster can really hurt Ursa.
As I said, this is a mid game thing. It keeps him from snowballing in pubs, it may not be the bestest min max way to achieve it, but it works. By the point he can do that kind of single target damage, the only real answer is diffusal or Halberd.
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But you're already using your hero pick to counter him. Why not min max the right way? You could half ass it by going ghost scepter on AM as well. Counters ursa and builds into abyssal for mega mana breaks.
If you let him get 15 minutes into the game without killing him you're doing it wrong, because if he's any good he's already farmed up a Vlad's and smoked into a solo Roshan. Go get in his ass starting at minute 5 with someone like Lion or any good ganking hero. You need to make him bitch to his team that he's getting ganked, or everything will go according to his furry plan.
If he's already farmed then Ghost Scepter/Force Staff/crying into your pillow will work.
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Because I get off on finding alternative ways to achieve something; it makes me feel special and unique. I also main medusa...go figure.
Also, Razor can carry, and I play him well. So it works for me when dealing with big auto attack damage dealers.
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Not quite though, you need to add in the fact that the anti mage insta-locked, demanded support, then you get to lane and he can't even farm.
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what you are saying makes no sense. ghost scepter is a very solid item on Razor. Halberd is good too. ghost scepter on AM makes little sense because he needs to be the primary carry, Razor isn't.
I have a feeling he is referring to chest keys, though I may be wrong in this regard.