Could have just been racism then. I guarantee that was a 4-man premade with the poor guy solo queueing. I love this community some days.
Best community NA.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? I need more pony puns and bear tales in this thread.
Edit - I feel like the only person in this thread, it's been soooo slow, and I still try to read this thing while working (like right now, and it's so dead I'm pulling my hair out with boredom). Give me content people, please.
Dude rushes Nashor's Tooth, then builds a Rageblade. Proceeds to Alpha strike for maybe 30 damage, and I think his auto attacks were outhealed by Ezreal's base HP regeneration.
Happy New Years from the west coast, and remember kids, don't drink and LoL!
EDIT: Okay, is it a 'bad attitude' if I tell someone that I think they built bad items? Apparently Yi is reporting me for 'harassment' because I told him that Nashor's Tooth was a bad item to build (Rageblade too, but whatever, I certainly focused on the rushed Tooth).
I mean, it's just bad. It just is. I don't understand how it's offensive to tell someone that they built a bad item, unless they're emotionally attached to it for some reason.
Yeah that's silly. Yi doesn't need that attackspeed so why the hell not get some more ap?
KayWhat we need...Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered Userregular
It would apply Teemo's on-hit Toxic Shot, and Malady's extra damage, and the Spellblade mastery, because they're on on-hit attacks. See also Blade of the Ruined King and Wit's End.
Teemo, Varus and Kog'maw can do some serious AoE damage with Hurricane and their respective on-hit abilities, and the relevant items.
Teemo, Hurricane, and Malady. Am I wrong, or does this add .5 AP (another .05 with the mastery) to each hit against all three targets?
I like the idea of Hurricane on Teemo in PRINCIPLE. However, practically speaking Hurricane is ultra expensive (2800+) and buying it after malady puts you really really far behind on base AP. Also don't forget that you have a global taunt. It's hard to sit around really getting a ton of auto attacks off in a team fight. More often than not I might get 1-2 autos in and a Q, then back out and dart back in. When you consider that you really want Liandri's too, I think you have to make a choice between Malady and Hurricane. But Malady gives so much freaking lane dominance it's retarded, and the new passive makes it scale well later into the game as well
Could have just been racism then. I guarantee that was a 4-man premade with the poor guy solo queueing. I love this community some days.
Best community NA.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? I need more pony puns and bear tales in this thread.
Edit - I feel like the only person in this thread, it's been soooo slow, and I still try to read this thing while working (like right now, and it's so dead I'm pulling my hair out with boredom). Give me content people, please.
I am sorry Sampsen I've been busy with my family for the holidays, and honestly, my last week in the league has been pretty awful.
My tales would be game after game of doing pretty well and then not being able to close the deal in the end. Kind of like Pacstar's love life. That story's only really good the first time. After that, it's just kinda sad.
you pac!
If by "failure to close" you mean "... and luckily, she did not get pregnant" then I agree heartily, Bearfriend!
I call upon @Billgates to share with you the email Riot sent him when he tried to return my WONDERFUL PRESENT OF TEEMO
This is still an ongoing concern.
Since @Billgates has not filled you in I will give you the sequence of events as I understand them:
1. I gifted the Teemo hater a wonderful poison filled joybundle of Teemo
2. @Delphinidaes gifted the Teemo hater Badger Teemo Skin
3. Bill emailed Riot support asking for a refund on both Teemo and the skin
4. Riot responds that they cannot do so
5. Bill asks Riot to JUST TAKE THEM, SCREW THE REFUND
6. Riot employee explains that he cannot do so without escalating the issue, and this issue is not important enough. Also expresses his amazement at Bill's deep and abiding hatred for the poison rat.
7. Bill explains that THIS IS AN EMERGENCY, PLEASE ESCALATE. Riot employee tells Bill something along the lines of "Sorry, you'll have to learn to like the champion".
8. Riot Support ticket is closed
This is the most pleasing chain of events ever in the league thread. I love how Riot understands the situation so well.
Talith, this is your work. I can smell it!
THIS IS ENTIRELY MY WORK SIR. I feel like a super villain that's desperately trying to get noticed for his nefarious acts
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KayWhat we need...Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered Userregular
I want to try Xin Xhao with Malady and Nashor's Tooth and Deathcap.
Teemo, Hurricane, and Malady. Am I wrong, or does this add .5 AP (another .05 with the mastery) to each hit against all three targets?
I like the idea of Hurricane on Teemo in PRINCIPLE. However, practically speaking Hurricane is ultra expensive (2800+) and buying it after malady puts you really really far behind on base AP. Also don't forget that you have a global taunt. It's hard to sit around really getting a ton of auto attacks off in a team fight. More often than not I might get 1-2 autos in and a Q, then back out and dart back in. When you consider that you really want Liandri's too, I think you have to make a choice between Malady and Hurricane. But Malady gives so much freaking lane dominance it's retarded, and the new passive makes it scale well later into the game as well
True - malady already makes him hit like an adc (except with magic damage), since AP is still roughly half the cost of AD, so .5 AP on hit is like 1.0 AD.
KayWhat we need...Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered Userregular
Yeah, wasn't sure how passives that trigger every so often work with Sheen-likes. Still, Gauntlet requires judicious activation, Lichbane's timing is less crucial.
So these are the jungler rules that 2sang linked. I'M SO GLAD THESE SAY THIS STUFF. Go to lanes where you can get kills, or are at least even. Going to losing lanes just makes you lose too =\.
Don't gank a lane that's completely lost
Don't gank a lane that doesn't buy a ward on his first back to base.
Don't gank a lane that pushes but doesnt ward
Dump the midlaner that doesn't come to help leash
Always be prepared for enemy jungler to come counter jungling
Help the lane that is already winning and help them ward their surroundings.
Help out mid as much as possible, show your face even if you are just passing by.
Before Level 6, gank top at least once.
Communicate with your support player on where the enemy wards are.
Even if you follow all these commandments,losing games are still lost.( there are games nothing can be done about. )
Yeah, I hardly jungle and one of the things I picked up really fast was that if you aren't able to set up a great gank don't bother and if the lane in any way acts like a tool or is behind ignore him.
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I had a ranked game where our bot lane was duo queue and losing hard. They screamed at me all game to gank bot but I only went down there once to defend a 4-man gank.
Corki wouldn't stop raging at me all game but at the end, our only lane that won was a Jayce who claimed that I was the only other decent player on the team. Corki got a kick out of that one.
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OK, so I've been renewing my relationship with assassins. (Specifically Eve, Shaco, Talon and squishy Vi). I find what the role teaches is quite interesting and hard to play. As an assassin there's a lot to keep track of, as you need to know where all enemies are at all times or you die. Then you need to plan an escape, or you die. And you need to watch for cc to be used to get a window of opportunity to go in on your target. And of course you have to judge your burst to take out targets. All those are of course things all characters should do, but I'm finding that for the assassins the edge is much thinner and if you fail you'll fail horribly, while if you went in as Amumu you probably did a fair bit of buggery even if you theoretically screwed up.
As an aside of this, I'm increasingly finding that my favourite role is to be the guy who selects a target and then punches out all their blood. Which means such things as targeted gap-closers and lots of burst damage. It's very amusing what AD Vi does to a carry. As long as you're the Vi.
@2sang, Sampsen, Drokmir, and Muffin Puff - sorry to vanish at the end, my Internet dropped out and won't come back despite my best efforts. Hope you guys pulled it out, was a fun game.
Is the damage from Xin's Three Talon Strike crittable, or will any critical hits that proc while Q is up only use xin's base damage and not any of the bonus damage from Q?
Yes I am just looking for excuses to build sword of the divine on people
@2sang, Sampsen, Drokmir, and Muffin Puff - sorry to vanish at the end, my Internet dropped out and won't come back despite my best efforts. Hope you guys pulled it out, was a fun game.
Haha, no worries. I dove MF under tower and they melted.
I told the group gg 4v5 and they were all "No, Maokai came back", they didn't even realize you'd been gone for 3 minutes. It didn't show you as a leaver, so you got credit. gg, was fun.
I'm so terrible at Skarner. How do? I just seem to run around being purple and getting kited.
Buy a frozen fist, focus W over E (I'd still max Q by 9), remember that boot upgrades exist and aren't super expensive, and recognize that if ganks aren't working out farming the jungle is something you can and should do. Early invasions are workable with Skarner as well, especially if you get a strong damaging pull so you can smiteless blue and then steal their red. And then general jungling tips; really, getting early ganks and farm with Skarner is not very different than early ganks and farm with a lot of melee only junglers.
Also, while people say that Skarner is an initiator, he really isn't. He's got amazing counterinitiation, breaking off enemy peel, and can send a big fat signal to focus an important target, but besides the occasional flash ult on a squishy target you really can't initiate fights as well as a lot of other people can. In teamfights, your role should be to run up to somebody important while pressing Q, maybe auto them once to proc your frozen fist, ult them, pull them to where your team can beat the shit out of them, and right before it ends turn around so they get a quick 300 position further back (they're always on your stinger-end) and you're in a good position to run at somebody else and start facerolling your keys at them.
Skarner likes items that give him resistances, CDR, and a sheen/slowing effect and aspd are nice. For that reason, I recommend Frozen Fist, Wit's End, and Mercs/Ninja as general Skarner core. Either the wraith spirit stone or the golem spirit stone is a fine option. I personally like Mercs, Wraith spirit, and Frozen fist since spellvamp actually gives skarner a decent amount of survivability and flat health is the least useful survival stat on Skarner, but that's just me.
Is the damage from Xin's Three Talon Strike crittable, or will any critical hits that proc while Q is up only use xin's base damage and not any of the bonus damage from Q?
Yes I am just looking for excuses to build sword of the divine on people
SotD is really good on Xin, and I believe every attack can crit
@2sang, Sampsen, Drokmir, and Muffin Puff - sorry to vanish at the end, my Internet dropped out and won't come back despite my best efforts. Hope you guys pulled it out, was a fun game.
Haha, no worries. I dove MF under tower and they melted.
I told the group gg 4v5 and they were all "No, Maokai came back", they didn't even realize you'd been gone for 3 minutes. It didn't show you as a leaver, so you got credit. gg, was fun.
But...but I wasn't there to make people zoom zoom :?
Nocturne with my speed buff was zipping all over the place though. Heart Lulu so hard.
VizardObserverThe Duke of Ridiculous PoppycockyRegistered Userregular
rengar doesnt care about nerfs when he goes I Edge Sword of the Divine
it's so crazy it really is
nothing you can do to stop your adc from being LITERALLY 3 shot
I'm so terrible at Skarner. How do? I just seem to run around being purple and getting kited.
Buy a frozen fist, focus W over E (I'd still max Q by 9), remember that boot upgrades exist and aren't super expensive, and recognize that if ganks aren't working out farming the jungle is something you can and should do. Early invasions are workable with Skarner as well, especially if you get a strong damaging pull so you can smiteless blue and then steal their red. And then general jungling tips; really, getting early ganks and farm with Skarner is not very different than early ganks and farm with a lot of melee only junglers.
Also, while people say that Skarner is an initiator, he really isn't. He's got amazing counterinitiation, breaking off enemy peel, and can send a big fat signal to focus an important target, but besides the occasional flash ult on a squishy target you really can't initiate fights as well as a lot of other people can. In teamfights, your role should be to run up to somebody important while pressing Q, maybe auto them once to proc your frozen fist, ult them, pull them to where your team can beat the shit out of them, and right before it ends turn around so they get a quick 300 position further back (they're always on your stinger-end) and you're in a good position to run at somebody else and start facerolling your keys at them.
Skarner likes items that give him resistances, CDR, and a sheen/slowing effect and aspd are nice. For that reason, I recommend Frozen Fist, Wit's End, and Mercs/Ninja as general Skarner core. Either the wraith spirit stone or the golem spirit stone is a fine option. I personally like Mercs, Wraith spirit, and Frozen fist since spellvamp actually gives skarner a decent amount of survivability and flat health is the least useful survival stat on Skarner, but that's just me.
I remember way back when intermediate bots were (more) terrible. I'd run Katarina mid (this was pre rework, so she still had the +gold passive), with the +gold mastery from defense, and get 49 bonus gold on every kill/assist. I was usually pretty confident I could get a penta a match if the bots ever bothered to group up.
It only really worked because back then bots didn't interrupt her ult, seemed to stay just a tiny bit lower before they backed from mid (allowing easy kills), and grouped up more often, but it was still hilarious.
I ate an engineer
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VizardObserverThe Duke of Ridiculous PoppycockyRegistered Userregular
Does the extra damage from Rengar's Q also crit? Or is it just the AA damage
Not my first Penta but this one still made me happy because its me meditating among the bodies of my foes, cut down as they fled the Yi Zone. Ended the game with 300 cs, 37/12/32 with like 10k in the bank.
Could have just been racism then. I guarantee that was a 4-man premade with the poor guy solo queueing. I love this community some days.
Best community NA.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? I need more pony puns and bear tales in this thread.
Edit - I feel like the only person in this thread, it's been soooo slow, and I still try to read this thing while working (like right now, and it's so dead I'm pulling my hair out with boredom). Give me content people, please.
I am sorry Sampsen I've been busy with my family for the holidays, and honestly, my last week in the league has been pretty awful.
My tales would be game after game of doing pretty well and then not being able to close the deal in the end. Kind of like Pacstar's love life. That story's only really good the first time. After that, it's just kinda sad.
you pac!
If by "failure to close" you mean "... and luckily, she did not get pregnant" then I agree heartily, Bearfriend!
I call upon @Billgates to share with you the email Riot sent him when he tried to return my WONDERFUL PRESENT OF TEEMO
This is still an ongoing concern.
Since @Billgates has not filled you in I will give you the sequence of events as I understand them:
1. I gifted the Teemo hater a wonderful poison filled joybundle of Teemo
2. @Delphinidaes gifted the Teemo hater Badger Teemo Skin
3. Bill emailed Riot support asking for a refund on both Teemo and the skin
4. Riot responds that they cannot do so
5. Bill asks Riot to JUST TAKE THEM, SCREW THE REFUND
6. Riot employee explains that he cannot do so without escalating the issue, and this issue is not important enough. Also expresses his amazement at Bill's deep and abiding hatred for the poison rat.
7. Bill explains that THIS IS AN EMERGENCY, PLEASE ESCALATE. Riot employee tells Bill something along the lines of "Sorry, you'll have to learn to like the champion".
8. Riot Support ticket is closed
This is the most pleasing chain of events ever in the league thread. I love how Riot understands the situation so well.
Talith, this is your work. I can smell it!
THIS IS ENTIRELY MY WORK SIR. I feel like a super villain that's desperately trying to get noticed for his nefarious acts
Bill isn't the only one that received Teemo and Teemo skins and was unable to get them returned by riot. :twisted:
Pretty much this. W will waste the big targets, E lets you mess up everything else, and Q is for when you go in to gank - it's not a huge help clearing compared to E and W.
Ran defensive masteries though, which might be why I had trouble actually killing people. Eventually the game was lost since our mid quit, but not quite sure how to play vi yet. Every time I ulted and tried to kill ez he just flashed or blinked away, and leona+rest of their team dogpiled me quickly.
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Good to know. I was just curious since SotD as a singular damage item on Udyr could be interesting.
Yeah that's silly. Yi doesn't need that attackspeed so why the hell not get some more ap?
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Teemo, Varus and Kog'maw can do some serious AoE damage with Hurricane and their respective on-hit abilities, and the relevant items.
3DS FCode: 1993-7512-8991
I like the idea of Hurricane on Teemo in PRINCIPLE. However, practically speaking Hurricane is ultra expensive (2800+) and buying it after malady puts you really really far behind on base AP. Also don't forget that you have a global taunt. It's hard to sit around really getting a ton of auto attacks off in a team fight. More often than not I might get 1-2 autos in and a Q, then back out and dart back in. When you consider that you really want Liandri's too, I think you have to make a choice between Malady and Hurricane. But Malady gives so much freaking lane dominance it's retarded, and the new passive makes it scale well later into the game as well
THIS IS ENTIRELY MY WORK SIR. I feel like a super villain that's desperately trying to get noticed for his nefarious acts
3DS FCode: 1993-7512-8991
True - malady already makes him hit like an adc (except with magic damage), since AP is still roughly half the cost of AD, so .5 AP on hit is like 1.0 AD.
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I don't think Iceborn Gauntlet would do so well, not sure it triggers on the passive, just his Warcry, dash and ult.
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Switch: SW-5185-4991-5118
PSN: AbEntropy
3DS FCode: 1993-7512-8991
Corki wouldn't stop raging at me all game but at the end, our only lane that won was a Jayce who claimed that I was the only other decent player on the team. Corki got a kick out of that one.
Slice like a god damn hammer. LoL: Rafflesia / BNet: Talonflame#11979
As an aside of this, I'm increasingly finding that my favourite role is to be the guy who selects a target and then punches out all their blood. Which means such things as targeted gap-closers and lots of burst damage. It's very amusing what AD Vi does to a carry. As long as you're the Vi.
Yes I am just looking for excuses to build sword of the divine on people
Haha, no worries. I dove MF under tower and they melted.
I told the group gg 4v5 and they were all "No, Maokai came back", they didn't even realize you'd been gone for 3 minutes. It didn't show you as a leaver, so you got credit. gg, was fun.
Buy a frozen fist, focus W over E (I'd still max Q by 9), remember that boot upgrades exist and aren't super expensive, and recognize that if ganks aren't working out farming the jungle is something you can and should do. Early invasions are workable with Skarner as well, especially if you get a strong damaging pull so you can smiteless blue and then steal their red. And then general jungling tips; really, getting early ganks and farm with Skarner is not very different than early ganks and farm with a lot of melee only junglers.
Also, while people say that Skarner is an initiator, he really isn't. He's got amazing counterinitiation, breaking off enemy peel, and can send a big fat signal to focus an important target, but besides the occasional flash ult on a squishy target you really can't initiate fights as well as a lot of other people can. In teamfights, your role should be to run up to somebody important while pressing Q, maybe auto them once to proc your frozen fist, ult them, pull them to where your team can beat the shit out of them, and right before it ends turn around so they get a quick 300 position further back (they're always on your stinger-end) and you're in a good position to run at somebody else and start facerolling your keys at them.
Skarner likes items that give him resistances, CDR, and a sheen/slowing effect and aspd are nice. For that reason, I recommend Frozen Fist, Wit's End, and Mercs/Ninja as general Skarner core. Either the wraith spirit stone or the golem spirit stone is a fine option. I personally like Mercs, Wraith spirit, and Frozen fist since spellvamp actually gives skarner a decent amount of survivability and flat health is the least useful survival stat on Skarner, but that's just me.
SotD is really good on Xin, and I believe every attack can crit
But...but I wasn't there to make people zoom zoom :?
Nocturne with my speed buff was zipping all over the place though. Heart Lulu so hard.
it's so crazy it really is
nothing you can do to stop your adc from being LITERALLY 3 shot
Thanks for the writeup -- I'll keep at it.
I remember way back when intermediate bots were (more) terrible. I'd run Katarina mid (this was pre rework, so she still had the +gold passive), with the +gold mastery from defense, and get 49 bonus gold on every kill/assist. I was usually pretty confident I could get a penta a match if the bots ever bothered to group up.
It only really worked because back then bots didn't interrupt her ult, seemed to stay just a tiny bit lower before they backed from mid (allowing easy kills), and grouped up more often, but it was still hilarious.
How do I jungle, almost never do it.
if people are helping you out start at wolves
otherwise do blue, wolves, wraiths, minigolems, red, base, gank shit probably
Bill isn't the only one that received Teemo and Teemo skins and was unable to get them returned by riot. :twisted:
Pretty much this. W will waste the big targets, E lets you mess up everything else, and Q is for when you go in to gank - it's not a huge help clearing compared to E and W.
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Switch: SW-5185-4991-5118
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Ran defensive masteries though, which might be why I had trouble actually killing people. Eventually the game was lost since our mid quit, but not quite sure how to play vi yet. Every time I ulted and tried to kill ez he just flashed or blinked away, and leona+rest of their team dogpiled me quickly.