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No just like Not Today. Today today not today the current year/decade
or until we pin down the identity of the shooter(s)
Some time that isn't right now when parents are frantically calling to find out if their child is alive and schools are still locked down because they aren't sure all the shooters have been located
Just not Right Now
We need to lose this attitude and do better for these people
This is a debate that needs to happen, it needs to be done
We owe it to these people to analyze this issue from many angles, and as quickly as we can
I posit that we don't know anything right now other than guns were involved in a horrifying tragedy
there is no jumping off point from there
If there is something specific to this incident then it needs to wait until we know something and if it is a gun control conversation in general it can at least wait until the day after an elementary school shooting
The waiting process happens too often.
It's actually not too helpful if you have no direct connection to the event. Policy and ideas have to take it into account.
How many times have people had to wait to talk about similar tragedies? Too often. There is a magnitude to this event that makes it impossible to ignore.
We just had to be told to wait ten days ago. And this event is worse.
I agree I guess? When the giffords shooting happened that was when I really honestly thought there was going to be a debate about gun control and mental health, or at the very least mental wellness in general and the area where it specifically overlaps with gun control
But that kept getting put off and then nobody talked about it and nothing happened. Which is a tragedy in and of itself.
I'm not saying wait for the moment to be right or some bullshit, I just would like to put off an angry and polarizing debate for a day.
Just until the day after innocents lost their lives in a senseless act of violence.
That's all and I don't think anything is lost by 24 hours of sadness and support and reflection
Someone in D&D mentioned that some asshole pointed out that guns aren't the problem because 22 children were just wounded in China by a knife attacker
WOUNDED
THE KEY WORD THAT ASSHOLE SEEMS TO MISUNDERSTAND
I'm far more concerned about the people that want to kill other people with things than what they use to try or succeed in killing them with
I would like to make them not want to kill things rather than potentially curb the amount of things they can kill
I am in complete agreement here (as I am sure we all are) that the root of the issue are these mentally ill individuals
That said, one of the issues you have mentioned is much more immediately adressable than the other, I don't understand why we are not adressing it more quickly as a result
in what way
guns are in fact pretty strictly regulated
how would you go about preventing things like this from occurring?
keeping in mind actively ammending the constitution is nearly impossible at this juncture and illegally obtained firearms make regulation a moot point
Yes, crazy people are crazy and those who really want to go out and kill will go out and kill - hence the indivduals being the main issue
But I fail to see how going to great lengths to prohibit access to weapons will serve to help these sick individuals achieve their goals, which is my point
We need to do what we can, how we can, as soon as we can
that's not the question I asked
what do we do
guns are already strictly controlled and licenses for the more dangerous ones or the guns themselves are balls expensive and even more strictly controlled
what, specifically, do you propose is the end game here
My honest answer is that I want to do a shit load more research and get back to you on it
But just off the top of my head, from my (limited) understanding it seems that in Connecticut, for example, you don't need a permit to purcahse/carry a shotgun or a rifle.
On top of this, you don't need a liscense for a shotgun, rifle or a handgun.
Someone in D&D mentioned that some asshole pointed out that guns aren't the problem because 22 children were just wounded in China by a knife attacker
WOUNDED
THE KEY WORD THAT ASSHOLE SEEMS TO MISUNDERSTAND
I'm far more concerned about the people that want to kill other people with things than what they use to try or succeed in killing them with
I would like to make them not want to kill things rather than potentially curb the amount of things they can kill
I am in complete agreement here (as I am sure we all are) that the root of the issue are these mentally ill individuals
That said, one of the issues you have mentioned is much more immediately adressable than the other, I don't understand why we are not adressing it more quickly as a result
in what way
guns are in fact pretty strictly regulated
how would you go about preventing things like this from occurring?
keeping in mind actively ammending the constitution is nearly impossible at this juncture and illegally obtained firearms make regulation a moot point
What does this mean, this is what I was responding to
no amount of regulation will totally prevent gun violence, pretending otherwise is disingenuous
But if gun regulation massively decreases gun violence then I fail to see how it is a "moot point"
This isn't D&D but I think we may define "moot point" differently or something
because gun violence still exists? if the end-game to banning guns is to totally prevent it then woops
like I said, addressing the problem at the source is way more important and feasible, and let's be honest about this, mental healthcare in the U.S. is pretty goddamn awful and I'd argue a way bigger threat than just guns
The end-game is not to totally prevent it, the end-game is to make it much less frequent
Mental healthcare is absolutely awful, as is the general attitude about mental illness among Americans, and we are in total agreement about that needing to be addressed comprehensively and immediately
But taking away guns will by definition make gun violence that much harder to perpetrate
A man in a Romney mask robs a bank. Well, somebody in an Obama mask is robbing America.
holy shit
In 2012, as jury selection was to begin in a trial on charges of kidnapping of a lesbian couple's daughter, Fischer wrote on Twitter in support of kidnapping of children from same-sex households and smuggling them to what he calls "normal" homes. Fischer also reiterated his views on his radio show, and on video
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BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
reading through the principal's twitter feed is just
Someone in D&D mentioned that some asshole pointed out that guns aren't the problem because 22 children were just wounded in China by a knife attacker
WOUNDED
THE KEY WORD THAT ASSHOLE SEEMS TO MISUNDERSTAND
I'm far more concerned about the people that want to kill other people with things than what they use to try or succeed in killing them with
I would like to make them not want to kill things rather than potentially curb the amount of things they can kill
I am in complete agreement here (as I am sure we all are) that the root of the issue are these mentally ill individuals
That said, one of the issues you have mentioned is much more immediately adressable than the other, I don't understand why we are not adressing it more quickly as a result
in what way
guns are in fact pretty strictly regulated
how would you go about preventing things like this from occurring?
keeping in mind actively ammending the constitution is nearly impossible at this juncture and illegally obtained firearms make regulation a moot point
What does this mean, this is what I was responding to
no amount of regulation will totally prevent gun violence, pretending otherwise is disingenuous
But if gun regulation massively decreases gun violence then I fail to see how it is a "moot point"
This isn't D&D but I think we may define "moot point" differently or something
because gun violence still exists? if the end-game to banning guns is to totally prevent it then woops
like I said, addressing the problem at the source is way more important and feasible, and let's be honest about this, mental healthcare in the U.S. is pretty goddamn awful and I'd argue a way bigger threat than just guns
The end-game is not to totally prevent it, the end-game is to make it much less frequent
Mental healthcare is absolutely awful, as is the general attitude about mental illness among Americans, and we are in total agreement about that needing to be addressed comprehensively and immediately
But taking away guns will by definition make gun violence that much harder to perpetrate
Mental health is way more complex and personal
banning guns in the states is not going to happen
it is not a good avenue for discussion regardless of how much you think it might help (and it would definitely help prevent day to day gun violence)
A man in a Romney mask robs a bank. Well, somebody in an Obama mask is robbing America.
holy shit
In 2012, as jury selection was to begin in a trial on charges of kidnapping of a lesbian couple's daughter, Fischer wrote on Twitter in support of kidnapping of children from same-sex households and smuggling them to what he calls "normal" homes. Fischer also reiterated his views on his radio show, and on video
yo i propose we raise money to rent some big trucks and pursue this guy in a live action recreation of duel
Look at that human turd. Another puke faced Nietzsche wannabe who thinks he's a big man for killing kids.
Pathetic, just pathetic.
i'm glad you have valuable insight into the mind of someone who's probably mentally ill, it must be nice to be a psychic
Saying what poor little victims of circumstance they are doesn't help anyone. Anything to dissuade the idea that mowing down a bunch of kids somehow makes them 'matter' in the eyes of the world. No, it makes you human garbage. I don't care what your life has been like. I don't feel sorry for you. Grow a fucking spine and act like a human being.
And I'm too angry to really say anything else on the matter. Nothing personal BL, it's not you personally, but I have a hard time distancing myself from this since I work in education.
And I'll probably leave this topic alone for a while. It's just a shame.
Look at that human turd. Another puke faced Nietzsche wannabe who thinks he's a big man for killing kids.
Pathetic, just pathetic.
i'm glad you have valuable insight into the mind of someone who's probably mentally ill, it must be nice to be a psychic
Saying what poor little victims of circumstance they are doesn't help anyone. Anything to dissuade the idea that mowing down a bunch of kids somehow makes them 'matter' in the eyes of the world.
yo this shit right here? attitudes like this?
this is the biggest reason this shit keeps happening
not gun control
because instead of having a frank talk about mental health and how maybe we should work on that shit we just scream about how terrible the shooter is and who cares if he was mentally ill
get fucked
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ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
So most of those other shootings surprised me and made me sad but this one is just on a whole new level of making me want to cry
The first thing i heard today, when i was buying coffee this morning, was that two local cops were shot in the line of duty(one killed) while serving a drug warrant.
I hate the world that it wasn't the saddest thing i heard all day.
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look man if little jenny was carrying her government issued 9mm handgun she could've dropped that perp
I agree I guess? When the giffords shooting happened that was when I really honestly thought there was going to be a debate about gun control and mental health, or at the very least mental wellness in general and the area where it specifically overlaps with gun control
But that kept getting put off and then nobody talked about it and nothing happened. Which is a tragedy in and of itself.
I'm not saying wait for the moment to be right or some bullshit, I just would like to put off an angry and polarizing debate for a day.
Just until the day after innocents lost their lives in a senseless act of violence.
That's all and I don't think anything is lost by 24 hours of sadness and support and reflection
Holy shit, what is your problem?
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/connecticut.aspx
I applaud your way of saying this without going lol Americans
my problem is that shit like that not only doesn't help it makes shit worse
I want to believe this isn't the case.
The end-game is not to totally prevent it, the end-game is to make it much less frequent
Mental healthcare is absolutely awful, as is the general attitude about mental illness among Americans, and we are in total agreement about that needing to be addressed comprehensively and immediately
But taking away guns will by definition make gun violence that much harder to perpetrate
Mental health is way more complex and personal
yo real talk gun shows do need to be regulated
that is something that I 100% agree with
This is such a terrible thing to happen and I know the holidays are going to be very painful for a lot of families there this year.
holy moley
https://twitter.com/DHochsprung
i know right
right under that is literally "where's the call for a ban on knives"
when i say right under i meant it is literally the tweet that precedes the obama mask one
banning guns in the states is not going to happen
it is not a good avenue for discussion regardless of how much you think it might help (and it would definitely help prevent day to day gun violence)
it just will not happen period ever
It's a fucking thread discussing the reaction to a horrific shooting, people are going to post their reactions. Stop acting like a goddamn child.
It would also solve the bullying problem!
Maybe we can't repeal the second amendment, but there are a lot of things we CAN do to make guns harder to get
Maybe I want a full body massage, but I'm not going to turn down a shoulder rub
Thanks
obviously it's an extremely emotional issue and everyone feels the urge to talk about it
but there's a point where you have to realize that judgement from afar is not helpful
Most of them already require two tickets, though...
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yo i propose we raise money to rent some big trucks and pursue this guy in a live action recreation of duel
Crying
...yeah, the tea party wouldn't be so extreme if it wasn't full of extremists, either
Saying what poor little victims of circumstance they are doesn't help anyone. Anything to dissuade the idea that mowing down a bunch of kids somehow makes them 'matter' in the eyes of the world. No, it makes you human garbage. I don't care what your life has been like. I don't feel sorry for you. Grow a fucking spine and act like a human being.
And I'm too angry to really say anything else on the matter. Nothing personal BL, it's not you personally, but I have a hard time distancing myself from this since I work in education.
And I'll probably leave this topic alone for a while. It's just a shame.
There is probably a better way to put this sentiment at this particular moment.
I'm starting to cry a little now.
i'd call that dude's post pretty childish myself but hey
followed by
lol
Looking at some of the pictures on her twitter. The idea that so many of these smiling little faces could just be...gone. Fuck.
yo this shit right here? attitudes like this?
this is the biggest reason this shit keeps happening
not gun control
because instead of having a frank talk about mental health and how maybe we should work on that shit we just scream about how terrible the shooter is and who cares if he was mentally ill
get fucked
Steam
this dude has to be a troll
these are just too perfect
I hate the world that it wasn't the saddest thing i heard all day.
Jesus.
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