I want a follow-up on the P3/P4 cast because (P4A true end spoilers)
They pretty clearly left it on a cliffhanger that has SEES and the Investigation Team against Nyarlathotep. I mean, there's nobody else that really could have been, right?
The fact that we, the player
Discover Nyarlathotep's involvement with SEES/Investigation Team as our vessel for doing so does not mean that we, the player, won't be stopping Nyarlathotep with a different group of people.
Especially since the meaning of the ending of P4A isn't really as apparent to the characters present so much as the player behind the characters.
But we all kinda want a P2+P3+P4 cast dream team. Don't we?
And they're all older now too, so it wouldn't be a all high-school cast!
Not if it involves resetting all their character growth. Which it probably would.
Well they would probably start at level 1, yeah. I mean I don't think they built a save game export into Persona 2. 3, or 4.
Gameplay growth or character growth? As of Arena all the characters are capable of some really amazing fights with their old Personas. The only reason most of them didn't have their final Personas was because they look so damn stupid. Though Arena really seemed to regress Yosuke, Chie, Yukiko and Kanji as people. Yosuke and Chie were becoming desperate, Yukiko was fishing for attention for some...reason and Kanji....hoo boy.
But we all kinda want a P2+P3+P4 cast dream team. Don't we?
And they're all older now too, so it wouldn't be a all high-school cast!
Not if it involves resetting all their character growth. Which it probably would.
Well they would probably start at level 1, yeah. I mean I don't think they built a save game export into Persona 2. 3, or 4.
Gameplay growth or character growth? As of Arena all the characters are capable of some really amazing fights with their old Personas. The only reason most of them didn't have their final Personas was because they look so damn stupid. Though Arena really seemed to regress Yosuke, Chie, Yukiko and Kanji as people. Yosuke and Chie were becoming desperate, Yukiko was fishing for attention for some...reason and Kanji....hoo boy.
I assume he meant character growth.
I was intentionally misinterpreting it as gameplay growth.
But we all kinda want a P2+P3+P4 cast dream team. Don't we?
And they're all older now too, so it wouldn't be a all high-school cast!
Not if it involves resetting all their character growth. Which it probably would.
Well they would probably start at level 1, yeah. I mean I don't think they built a save game export into Persona 2. 3, or 4.
Gameplay growth or character growth? As of Arena all the characters are capable of some really amazing fights with their old Personas. The only reason most of them didn't have their final Personas was because they look so damn stupid. Though Arena really seemed to regress Yosuke, Chie, Yukiko and Kanji as people. Yosuke and Chie were becoming desperate, Yukiko was fishing for attention for some...reason and Kanji....hoo boy.
I assume he meant character growth.
I was intentionally misinterpreting it as gameplay growth.
For COMEDY
Ah.
I think the way fights look in Arena is just the coolest thing ever, especially when the players know what their doing and you get to see the heroes and Personas fighting in unison, rather than them coming out in individual bursts.
Also, there's supposed to be a big reveal in Famitsu next week that's 'long awaited'.
Popular(hopeful) opinion is that it's P5.
Even though hating on P3&4 is the 'cool thing' to do for old school SMT fans as of late, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't deliriously hyped up for this.
Any more info on that? Is it confirmed to be Atlus / SMT related?
No indicator whatsoever, but the copyright of the Persona Team logo is suspect, isn't it?
Pshaw, it's clearly going to be a new Bumpy Trot game.
yea, I know it was sarcasm. Im just completely disillusioned to the idea of home motion controls.
One, for every designer that *gets* it, Twenty others just try to gimmick something for a quick buck from people who dont know better.
It's kinda sad, because the devs that do get motion controls make something amazing (Infamous 2 for one example).
But I don't see motion controls having a place in RPGs.
I completed my play through of Persona 3 Portable last night. Even in a portable form, its still a great game. My only real complaint would be the removal of the animated cutscenes, as I felt the ending had more emotional impact when it was animated.
In the end, I was able to max 18 social links for it. I managed to complete two (Mitsuru and Aigis) during the last week, with the Aigis social link being completed on January 30th. My final persona used was Lucifer, who was strong to all physicals, and immune to all magic except ice. He also had 99 in all stats except agility, which was a 96. He was using Megidolaon with Spell Master and Victory Cry. Suffice to say, the final boss was not that difficult.
I find that real interesting and a good indication of my growth as a player of Shin Megami Tensei games. When I played the original Persona 3, I found the end boss extremely difficult and barely won by the skin of my teeth. Now, I was able to build two kick ass personas (I had beezlebud almost as good as Lucifer) and could ID and destroy the final boss.
Nice. I had preordered Persona 4: Collection 2 (the second set for the P4 animation) and it's being delivered a day early - today! Not a big deal as I haven't finished watching the first set of episodes yet.
I do like it. I've watched one episode. I switched off specifically because I wanted to marathon the series, so I decided to wait until the second set arrived.
Couldnt stand it. If they didnt show the stat screen you would never know Yu was supposedly growing as a person. He was a static zombie. Arena Yu and Anime Yu are like night and day. If Arena were written like the anime, Yu would be silent and all his lines would be broken up between Yosuke and Naoto. Oh and the combat was lame.
The whole friendship/relationship thing is utterly chickenshit, there, I said it. "See this line in the sand? This is the relationship line. Nobody crosses it or the Lost Generation will suicide bomb us." I know it had to happen, and I watched the anime knowing that would happen (it still blows my mind and I keep picturing both Airbender series doing this). But I didn't expect them to give Yu a lobotomy to maintain this. If Yu had gone "I'm sorry ladies, I'm not staying in Inaba so please lets just be friends" like a young adult should it would have been believable, respectable, he could still (legitimately) charm every lady and nobody is offended. Keeping the relationships neutral and making him a likable and believable person are not mutually exclusive. But his ability to handle such a relationship challenge is never put to the test. Not even with Ai, the only girl he directly dates (if you can call that dating) because she vanishes with Kou and he never has to confront her near the end of her S.Link, or any girl, for the rest of the year. Which is pretty much what you have to do in the game to avoid confronting different girls on it. "You have established a bond with female x. Please, please don't ever engage in a conversation with her. For a year. The fans will kill us." Instead that emotionless swag happens because sex sells. "No discussing relationships, don't let Yu so much as speak to a female for more than five words, but by all means throw in fanservicey sexual tension." And that's just towards his interactions with females. Don't get me started on how he is with Kanji.
When Yu goes out with Ai, he doesn't go "will you go out with me?" That would be crossing the line. It just cuts to him meeting her and being her whipped date. I finally bothered to watch the True End today, and I remember the Team telling Yu "we'll always be together," to which Rise replies "but we'll be together together, right sempai?" The camera doesn't show his face but you know he has no expression, and I immediately thought of the hiimdaisy narrator going "Rise, PENALTY BOX! Yu, don't you fucking dare answer that question."
Those books he reads to boost his stats? On manliness, making friends and communication? Their real world equivalents specifically tell you not to behave the way he was behaving. The whole story plays out like a year-long, fanservicey, emotionally stunted meme and the ultimate wet-dream of Nice Guys, instead of a story about coming of age and relationships (and no, Persona 4 did not turn SMT upside down and captivate the world because it was about murders). He can eat a bowl of beef? Oh that's just precious. I want to see him talk instead. I wanted to see him challenge the man who is taking care of him on how he is raising his daughter (ballsy). I wanted to see him using his Enthralling Expression to, well, express himself to Nanako. I wanted to see him challenge Yukiko on her being passive-aggressive, selfish and scared to tell her parents the things going on in her head. I wanted to see him comfort a mourning Yosuke who is not in comic relief mode all the time. I wanted to see him actually have a fun, goofy karate practice session with Chie. I wanted to see him help Chie and Yosuke on their shitty grades. I wanted to see him smile, communicate, pay compliments, ask questions, genuinely share in the lives of the team and be the leader. He got new scene with Rise to justify her throwing herself at him for a year. Does he encourage her in her moment of weakness? No, but it just just sooooo kingly and swag the way he folded a paper crane, because he's The King or something. He's not the hero, he's somehow a non-character and Marty Stu simultaneously. Aaaaaaaaaaargh!
It would have been nice if he directly challenged the murderer for being a sexist, mysoginistic rapist worthless criminal with juvenile attitudes towards personal success and relationships. That relationships and success are something you earn, strive for, and maintain, not something life owes you. But that's not a conversation Anime-Yu would be prepared to have. I don't think he can form a sentence larger than five words.
I shudder to think of the P3 movie doing this to Mi-ttarou. Well that and SEES sitting on their thumbs while their Poke-kaiju Personas do all the work, completely in contradiction of Arena.
I think I will rewatch it on Hulu after all. I'll have to try imagining the narrator regulating Yu's behavior the entire time for amusement.
Chie - "H-how do we look?"
Yukiko - "Say somethiiiing!"
Yu - "You both look cute"
Narrator - Did you just FLIRT?! *cracks whip*
Yu - "Great! You both look great."
Chie/Yukiko - Th-thanks.
Narrator - "MORE SEXUAL TENSION OR WE GIVE YOU YOUR ORIGINAL APPEARANCE, CHIE!" *crack*
Chie/Yukiko - Oh, you awful baka pervert something or other!
Yosuke - I need to tease you with Chie for a moment. She has cute legs doesn't she?
Yu - She has cute legs.
Chie - Why don't you say that to my face, big boy?
Yu - That would be flirting. A-Atlus...won't...let...me
*SAY THE LINE*
Chie - *sigh*. Baka.
Margaret - Love can fertilize the heart. But too much will prick you.
Yu - What are you trying to insinuate?
Margaret - Oh you know.
Yu - I know too but I want to hear it from your lips so I can call bullshit.
Margaret - That would be crossing the line.
Yu - Fine. Because It's not like I'm in a LOVE TRIANGLE or anything.
Margaret - Yes you are.
Yu - No I'm not.
Margaret - Darling...we're trying to sell BLU RAYS so SHUT YOUR MOUTH and continue being a generic Oblivious to Love JRPG hero!
I really enjoyed the 2-parter episode in Persona 4 anime (the only 2-parter, so it's hard to miss). Everything else plays out just like the game, with less depth, but the 2-parter is refreshing as it shows the MC going through a whirlwind of social links, told first from an outside (and hilarious) perspective and then again from the perspective of the MC. I watched the first part and thought "Okay, I can see how one would think he's insane."... and then watched the second part and had my suspicions confirmed beyond my expectations. I also like how they neatly resolved all of those social links in a slightly different manner than the game. You shouldn't miss episodes 13 and 14.
Also, I have a screenie of Nanako saying "Are you perverts?". She says what I'm thinking!
I got a question for people with the HRF trophy in Golden. I've been working on it for a while now, and I just realized I'm impatient and I never remember to wait for the line to actually disappear from the screen. Does that matter? I figure it's just triggering the line that counts, especially since so many lines get cut off by herself because someone will get knocked down, she'll be in the middle of the line, but then they'll get hit again and die so she says a new line, but if it's new I always try to hear it out. I just never remember to wait that extra second for her portrait to go away. If that actually matters I don't think I can do this because it means I probably have like 4 lines total.
I got a question for people with the HRF trophy in Golden. I've been working on it for a while now, and I just realized I'm impatient and I never remember to wait for the line to actually disappear from the screen. Does that matter? I figure it's just triggering the line that counts, especially since so many lines get cut off by herself because someone will get knocked down, she'll be in the middle of the line, but then they'll get hit again and die so she says a new line, but if it's new I always try to hear it out. I just never remember to wait that extra second for her portrait to go away. If that actually matters I don't think I can do this because it means I probably have like 4 lines total.
When I was going for the trophy, I cut off lines all the time with the cancel button. I don't think it matters, other than verifying exactly which line you got (if you are keeping track). Be sure to hit up those floating dice enemies in the Secret Bunker dungeon. They have physical immunity and Debilitate, which allows you to get all of the "Your agility/attack/defense is reduced" lines for every single character pretty easily.
EDIT: Also, there are multiple lines for being ambushed by each number of enemy groups. Be sure to let the enemy get the drop on you a few times on each floor.
Wait....P4U has an achievement for hearing literally every line of dialog in the game? That's.....really dumb.
No, you just need to get a certain number of Risette lines.
This generally involves using different characters, getting all of the debuff lines and such for all of them, and ideally getting the fairly uncommon line for enemies higher leveled than you.
Wait....P4U has an achievement for hearing literally every line of dialog in the game? That's.....really dumb.
It's not every single line. It's only lines by Rise, and only during combat. The general consensus is that there are significantly more lines than the trophy actually needs, since some folks get it to trigger during the Heaven dungeon while others get it to trigger during the closing lines of the last boss in the game.
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The fact that we, the player
Especially since the meaning of the ending of P4A isn't really as apparent to the characters present so much as the player behind the characters.
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And they're all older now too, so it wouldn't be a all high-school cast!
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Not if it involves resetting all their character growth. Which it probably would.
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Well they would probably start at level 1, yeah. I mean I don't think they built a save game export into Persona 2. 3, or 4.
Actually, I expect Persona 5 to be a FPS.
Gameplay growth or character growth? As of Arena all the characters are capable of some really amazing fights with their old Personas. The only reason most of them didn't have their final Personas was because they look so damn stupid. Though Arena really seemed to regress Yosuke, Chie, Yukiko and Kanji as people. Yosuke and Chie were becoming desperate, Yukiko was fishing for attention for some...reason and Kanji....hoo boy.
It'll be a FFPS -- you only point the gun at your own head.
I assume he meant character growth.
I was intentionally misinterpreting it as gameplay growth.
For COMEDY
Ah.
I think the way fights look in Arena is just the coolest thing ever, especially when the players know what their doing and you get to see the heroes and Personas fighting in unison, rather than them coming out in individual bursts.
Dude. Duuuude. Don't even joke about that, mang.
I would murder for a new Bumpy Trot game.
I think we actually agree on the subject, sarcasm just doesn't show up on the internet well.
Just Dance: Risette Edition. Naoto's on the character select screen, but if you try to pick her, she runs out and you have to pick someone else.
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But I don't see motion controls having a place in RPGs.
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In the end, I was able to max 18 social links for it. I managed to complete two (Mitsuru and Aigis) during the last week, with the Aigis social link being completed on January 30th. My final persona used was Lucifer, who was strong to all physicals, and immune to all magic except ice. He also had 99 in all stats except agility, which was a 96. He was using Megidolaon with Spell Master and Victory Cry. Suffice to say, the final boss was not that difficult.
I find that real interesting and a good indication of my growth as a player of Shin Megami Tensei games. When I played the original Persona 3, I found the end boss extremely difficult and barely won by the skin of my teeth. Now, I was able to build two kick ass personas (I had beezlebud almost as good as Lucifer) and could ID and destroy the final boss.
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The fishing is especially great.
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The whole friendship/relationship thing is utterly chickenshit, there, I said it. "See this line in the sand? This is the relationship line. Nobody crosses it or the Lost Generation will suicide bomb us." I know it had to happen, and I watched the anime knowing that would happen (it still blows my mind and I keep picturing both Airbender series doing this). But I didn't expect them to give Yu a lobotomy to maintain this. If Yu had gone "I'm sorry ladies, I'm not staying in Inaba so please lets just be friends" like a young adult should it would have been believable, respectable, he could still (legitimately) charm every lady and nobody is offended. Keeping the relationships neutral and making him a likable and believable person are not mutually exclusive. But his ability to handle such a relationship challenge is never put to the test. Not even with Ai, the only girl he directly dates (if you can call that dating) because she vanishes with Kou and he never has to confront her near the end of her S.Link, or any girl, for the rest of the year. Which is pretty much what you have to do in the game to avoid confronting different girls on it. "You have established a bond with female x. Please, please don't ever engage in a conversation with her. For a year. The fans will kill us." Instead that emotionless swag happens because sex sells. "No discussing relationships, don't let Yu so much as speak to a female for more than five words, but by all means throw in fanservicey sexual tension." And that's just towards his interactions with females. Don't get me started on how he is with Kanji.
When Yu goes out with Ai, he doesn't go "will you go out with me?" That would be crossing the line. It just cuts to him meeting her and being her whipped date. I finally bothered to watch the True End today, and I remember the Team telling Yu "we'll always be together," to which Rise replies "but we'll be together together, right sempai?" The camera doesn't show his face but you know he has no expression, and I immediately thought of the hiimdaisy narrator going "Rise, PENALTY BOX! Yu, don't you fucking dare answer that question."
Those books he reads to boost his stats? On manliness, making friends and communication? Their real world equivalents specifically tell you not to behave the way he was behaving. The whole story plays out like a year-long, fanservicey, emotionally stunted meme and the ultimate wet-dream of Nice Guys, instead of a story about coming of age and relationships (and no, Persona 4 did not turn SMT upside down and captivate the world because it was about murders). He can eat a bowl of beef? Oh that's just precious. I want to see him talk instead. I wanted to see him challenge the man who is taking care of him on how he is raising his daughter (ballsy). I wanted to see him using his Enthralling Expression to, well, express himself to Nanako. I wanted to see him challenge Yukiko on her being passive-aggressive, selfish and scared to tell her parents the things going on in her head. I wanted to see him comfort a mourning Yosuke who is not in comic relief mode all the time. I wanted to see him actually have a fun, goofy karate practice session with Chie. I wanted to see him help Chie and Yosuke on their shitty grades. I wanted to see him smile, communicate, pay compliments, ask questions, genuinely share in the lives of the team and be the leader. He got new scene with Rise to justify her throwing herself at him for a year. Does he encourage her in her moment of weakness? No, but it just just sooooo kingly and swag the way he folded a paper crane, because he's The King or something. He's not the hero, he's somehow a non-character and Marty Stu simultaneously. Aaaaaaaaaaargh!
I shudder to think of the P3 movie doing this to Mi-ttarou. Well that and SEES sitting on their thumbs while their Poke-kaiju Personas do all the work, completely in contradiction of Arena.
I think I will rewatch it on Hulu after all. I'll have to try imagining the narrator regulating Yu's behavior the entire time for amusement.
Chie - "H-how do we look?"
Yukiko - "Say somethiiiing!"
Yu - "You both look cute"
Narrator - Did you just FLIRT?! *cracks whip*
Yu - "Great! You both look great."
Chie/Yukiko - Th-thanks.
Narrator - "MORE SEXUAL TENSION OR WE GIVE YOU YOUR ORIGINAL APPEARANCE, CHIE!" *crack*
Chie/Yukiko - Oh, you awful baka pervert something or other!
Yosuke - I need to tease you with Chie for a moment. She has cute legs doesn't she?
Yu - She has cute legs.
Chie - Why don't you say that to my face, big boy?
Yu - That would be flirting. A-Atlus...won't...let...me
*SAY THE LINE*
Chie - *sigh*. Baka.
Margaret - Love can fertilize the heart. But too much will prick you.
Yu - What are you trying to insinuate?
Margaret - Oh you know.
Yu - I know too but I want to hear it from your lips so I can call bullshit.
Margaret - That would be crossing the line.
Yu - Fine. Because It's not like I'm in a LOVE TRIANGLE or anything.
Margaret - Yes you are.
Yu - No I'm not.
Margaret - Darling...we're trying to sell BLU RAYS so SHUT YOUR MOUTH and continue being a generic Oblivious to Love JRPG hero!
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If the "big girls" other than Naoto ever give you cooking advice, don't listen.
Boo-urns to the time-skip, though. I wanted that last month to hang out with people.
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Also, I have a screenie of Nanako saying "Are you perverts?". She says what I'm thinking!
(Heroine from the Ghost in the Shell reboot.)
Fuuka as a cyborg would be pretty kickin rad though.
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She already did discover pants in the far far superior second season.
You should realy watch 2nd Gig if you haven't already.
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2nd Gig blows Stand Alone Complex out of the water.
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EDIT: Also, there are multiple lines for being ambushed by each number of enemy groups. Be sure to let the enemy get the drop on you a few times on each floor.
No, you just need to get a certain number of Risette lines.
This generally involves using different characters, getting all of the debuff lines and such for all of them, and ideally getting the fairly uncommon line for enemies higher leveled than you.